Submitted by Columbo 1940d ago | video

Is this a Natal-powered game of Geometry Wars?

Destructoid writes:

"Reader Raffi sent us this video he shot from a holiday party where a developer for Natal was playing Geometry Wars with just hand gestures. We can't say for sure if this is really a Natal powered game of Geometry Wars until Microsoft says it is, but it's no secret that Natal developers are experimenting to incorporate Natal controls into a wide assortment of games." ( Geometry Wars, Xbox 360)

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SlipperyMooseCakes  +   1940d ago
It looks sweet and all, but I don't think I would want to be flailing my hands/arms around for that long. I hope we get to see Natal used in actual games soon and not just arcade and mini games that we have seen thus far. Great potential though.
we won  +   1939d ago
That's funny, I use to say the same thing about Wii and how funny it looked when people played it. I guess I can't make fun of people because it looks funny, because the casual trend suggest Motion is the hottest thing in gaming. Sure it looks funny but that doesn't stop, what? 60 million people(Wii owners) from using this tech in one form or the other.

Did you know millions of people think it looks stupid sitting in front of a TV mashing buttons? You know the same people that end up buying the Wii.

The tech is hot and it's nice to see this game using it in this tease. This will be far the biggest thing in gamer, EVER!
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kaveti6616  +   1939d ago
Oh yeah. He seemed to be exerting a tremendous amount of energy, flailing about like that. / sarcasm. Guy was barely moving.

Not that I care. I just realized that the major arguments against Natal are

1) I don't want to look stupid playing video games.

2) I don't want to come home from a hard day's work (banging rocks against other rocks) to have to stand up. I just want to relax with a beer in my hand and play games with a controller.

Sorry, but if this is how people rationalize their negativity toward motion controls, then I don't want to know them. If you're too tired to stand up, then you're too old to be playing video games, unless you're in a wheelchair or have lost the function of your legs, in which case you are exempted from this argument.
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Rumor  +   1939d ago
i REALLY dont see the mechanics behind this.(not natal, the gameplay) it doesnt look right to me :/

but again, thats just me. being a ps3 only owner, im pretty impressed with Natal :)
Simon_Brezhnev  +   1939d ago
kav u have anger issues lol
JokesOnYou  +   1939d ago
Looks cool, I imagine there are some even bigger things being done with Natal that micro isn't going to talk about until E3.

kaveti yeah the "flailing about" comments are waaay overdone, all I saw were rapid hand gestures, I imagine exercise games like Ricochett will be pretty tiresome but this looked pretty easy and could be easily played sitting on the couch, damm I just wish Natal would have been out earlier so we could see it implemented in a game like ME2 for menu screens and voice commands, thats the kind of stuff I think we'll see in early hardcore Natal games.

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SCThor  +   1939d ago
a thing...
Super Stardust HD is a game that looks like Geometry Wars, and it's hard as hell with a controller. Can't imaging it playing it with the Eye Toy, Wands, Natal o any device alike.

Back to the video, looks laggy as hell.
Bigpappy  +   1939d ago
If this is true footage
Wow! Just put the pre-orders out now so I would know I can get 1 of these things asap. This is a very fast game, and that guy is in complete control of the ship. Lag on a game like this would be torture. Here is hoping this is real footage.
PotNoodle  +   1939d ago
I'd buy Natal just for that, Geometry wars is one of my favourite arcade games on the 360.
The Kingslayer  +   1939d ago
Dude are on crack?!
You do know that they did this on purpose right? This is a present from Microsoft to say we are going to be impressed. Natal is real. Are you paying attention? Eye toy my freaking a$&. If you believe Natal will only be for casual gamers, then that delusion is going to be shattered. You are not slick Microsoft knowing full well a video like this would go viral. lol...You all are not right... They are going to tease us all the way until E3 with this kind of crap...Damn 2010 is going to be interesting.

Be a gamer...Not a hater
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El_Colombiano  +   1939d ago
"Be a gamer...Not a hater"

Irony? Or Hypocrite?
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kneon  +   1939d ago
Once again, how will Natal work with most hardcore games
Please propose a viable control solution for an FPS or TPS type game. It's just not a good fit for such games. And that's assuming perfect accuracy and no lag. It's just not well suited for some types of games. The vast majority of games that will be using Natal will be casual games because that's where it works best. Trying to use natal for the dozen or so different buttons used in most hardcore games is going to be problematic. Moving around in an FPS or TPS is going to be a real problem, as it will be for Sony if they don't add an analog stick like on the Wii nunchuck.
Cueil  +   1939d ago
@kneon hmm... leaning... or how about simple foot movements... and that's not even taking into consideration that it could use Natal + Controller setup
kneon  +   1938d ago
Sure leaning works for basic movement, and BTW that's the best answer I've yet heard. But it doesn't seem viable for any game requiring precision, which is probably most hard core games. Lean a little left, turn slowly left, lean a lot right, turn fast to the right. Lean a lot and your precision and reproducibility is going to be poor as you are off balance. On the other hand, assuming Natal is capable enough, you can require only very minor movements but then you are sacrificing resolution, again compromising precision. It's going to be tough to find a workable balance and I'm not yet convinced it can be found.

This doesn't even take into account that while doing this you may also be trying to do something else like aiming to fire a gun or throw a grenade, again compromising precision since the other actions will have an impact on your lean induced steering.

As for controller+Natal, that can work but goes against the major marketing point of Natal and would likely leave Natal used for gimicky things such as is often done with the sixaxis control on the PS3. Sure I can use sixaxis to turn a knob but is it really adding anything to the game? to me it doesn't. One of the few good uses I've seen for the sixaxis control was for the sniper aiming in Killzone 2, and even with that a lot of people hate it, though I happen to like it. Natal or the new Sony Motion control could provide for an even more accurate and responsive aiming mechanism, but I still see movement as the major issue. The second major problem is unique to Natal due it's lack of buttons and that is how to provide for all the actions that are currently handled by the dozen or so buttons on a physical controller.

I think Natal can likely be used very effectively for many games, I just have a lot of doubts about its suitability for most hard core games.
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Aleusia  +   1939d ago
To hell with destructoid
wwm0nkey  +   1939d ago
Now more of a reason to buy Natal.
farsided  +   1939d ago
Geometry Wars!
It's like an orgasm for the eyes!
farsided  +   1939d ago
whoever disagreed...
surely has never experienced an orgasm.
ThaOutKast  +   1939d ago
They are blind.
farsided  +   1938d ago
how are they reading this???
bequietjohnnie  +   1939d ago
come on you guys...do you really think this is real? he did like 20 different hand gestures for a game with simple controls. i think natal will be cool but this is just a "fun" video.
we won  +   1939d ago
Have you played this game? One arm was driving the ship and the other aiming/shooting.
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bequietjohnnie  +   1939d ago
yea, i've played it and thats my point. there are only two main controls, whats with the finger wiggling and stuff? again, i think natal will be great, but i think this vid is just promotion
we won  +   1939d ago
You can't have one arm always shooting while he moves it(his arm) to more immediate threats. There needs to be a rapid response to other targets just like the standard game, so there was obviously gestures using fingers to tell Natal and the 360 to stop firing so he can resume firing somewhere else, shooting at the greater threats immediately, you know the equivalent of pushing the right stick and releasing it, and then pushing it towards the greater threat in a different direction. I have high scores in both Geometry Wars titles. Not saying this is real although I have no reason to doubt this.

I hope you get what I'm saying. Maybe they *could have* programed the game and Natal where the aim/shoot arm had a stationary invisible circle/window you pass your arm through L, R, U, D and center of this invisible spot would be neutral(no right stick action) But that would be sloppy and a poor showing of the tech.
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Neo604  +   1939d ago
look good though, pop E and play.
El_Colombiano  +   1939d ago
If they can get it to be so you are moving your hands like a maestro I would so digg this!
Nihilism  +   1939d ago
what happens when you need to scratch your ass for a second, how do you pause with no pause button, do you facepalm?
Aleusia  +   1939d ago
Something like that, I didn't read the article because It's a destructoid article.

I WILL NEVER GIVE THEM ANOTHER SINGLE HIT AGAIN after I saw them use the term weeaboo to describe jrpg fans in one of their Star Ocean 4 articles. You're supposed to be professional, not take digs at people who like certain genres except for Shooters, those guys deserve it, they give everybody else grief and instigate the most hate. (see: xbox fanboys)
we won  +   1939d ago
Natal uses voice recognition software with voice command with gesture tech. There could be 100 ways of pausing the games.


-Stepping out of view
-Stepping a set distance aways from the unit
-Telling The 360 to pause with voice

MSFT programed Natal on the Jimmy Fallon Show to scan a invisible box letting people know where you had to be to play Burnout.

Merry Xmas to you too... Smart guy
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Aleusia  +   1939d ago
....is nothing special, it's just a microsoft gimmick.

They will cut all support for the 360 once they complete their new failure of a console..it's only a matter of time and all the braindead fans will fall for it too.
we won  +   1939d ago
Nothing great to PS3 fanboys
But the rest of us that have seen it disagree.
Blow Out Your Brains  +   1939d ago
LMAO at the people that think this is the future of gaming. SONY is going to bring some unbelievable sh*t with 3D gaming, which is where the true future of gaming lies.
wwm0nkey  +   1939d ago
@Blow Out Your Brains
You are aware Natal can support Head tracking which means more realistic 3D without glasses.
Eiffel  +   1939d ago
They already brought some "unbelievable sh*t" passing off a motion controller with a glowing tennis ball. Besides 3D is overrated anyway.

I don't really give two squirts a piss about motion control on either the 360 or PS3, as long as they don't do the same thing where Nintendo messed up. Shovelware.
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kneon  +   1939d ago
You realize the eye toy has been able to do head tracking for a while now
GT 5 even uses it to let you look out the side windows.

And how do you get the 3D effect without glasses? head tracking isn't going to do it
Cueil  +   1939d ago
I think the head tracking you're talking about and the head tracking that he's talking about are two different things... EyeToy can track your head in two dimensions... you could look left right or up and down and such.. what he's talking about is that with the 3D depth sensor Natal can actually create the allusion that your game is sticking out of the TV. The man in the video that I attached is working for Microsoft now and this same thing can be used with Natal.

Related video
MajestieBeast  +   1939d ago
And people said eyetoy games looked lame...
we won  +   1939d ago
You don't like Geometry Wars? Who doesn't like Geometry Wars? Let me go dig up some Eye toy title reviews and sales stats and Geometry Wars reviews and sales stats. LOL I know that doesn't make sense because neither does your logic. This is a XBLA title. lol
The Iron Sheik  +   1939d ago
@ we won
Or instead of doing that you could go play your 360 that you claim to love so much. This proves my theory that bots enjoy sales more than games.

And if you are excited for Natal or any other motion control you are a casual gamer.
MajestieBeast  +   1939d ago
No the way its controlled looks lame ass hell. Whats with you 360 fanboys and sales is that the only thing you have left sales and natal?
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Bigpappy  +   1938d ago
Sales and Natal is all that is needed
You think Review and awards keep Developers and Publisher in business? You PS3 fanboys talk some crazy shyt sometimes. If product does not sell, it is not made anymore. Eyetop games did not sell, that is why is why it is now a piece of junk that just sits there live the vision cam. Do you think there are no more Eyetoy or PSeye game because they didn't receive a high enough review score? Kid are getting dumber, and dumber. I think the wold will end if some of you become leaders in the real world.
wwm0nkey  +   1939d ago
Head Tracking
For those of you who have not seen or do not know what head tracking can do please watch this video.


Also the guy in the video was hired by Microsoft to work on Natal, so its almost guaranteed we will see this feature in future FPS games.
The Kingslayer  +   1939d ago
That was
A smart move by Microsoft to hire him. That dude is smart big time, and very creative. So he's probably having a grand time working on Natal with Microsoft. Both 3d and Natal are going to be great for gamings future. How they play out though is what everyone will remember, and respect at the end of the day.

Be a gamer...Not a hater
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strickers  +   1939d ago
Anyone impressed by that is an idiot.How is that going to be a better way to play a fast paced,precision twin stick shooter?Just because you can,doesn't mean you should.I just can't understand why anyone is excited by Natal,it's another novelty toy.The fact that lots of people are buying the hype just shows how stupid they are.
wwm0nkey  +   1939d ago
I would personally LOVE to play a shooter with Head Tracking, it can give a much better sense of depth and would just be fun to stand up with my controller while using the same layout I have been but experiencing the game in a much much different way, If I move closer, I see more of whats going on, if I move right, I see more of whats to the left of me. really if used correctly this will be great!
strickers  +   1939d ago
Also to point out something that negates silly hand gestures.Natal recognises hands as one point of articulation and does not recognise fingers or finger gestures.
whothedog  +   1939d ago
haha I misread your comment at first, but he could be motion activating shooting or something, I don't know.
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The Kingslayer  +   1939d ago
@Stickers...Ummmm You're wrong
Whoever sent me this I want in on a Natal Beta...Asap!!!!

Anyway...For any walking hater target. For the last time Natal has, and does recognize hand gestures. You haters need to stop putting out false information. It makes your hate that much more funny, and sad. Really...

Microsoft purchased 3D systems not too long ago and before MICRO purchased the company 3D systems released a bunch of Zcam videos.

That link shows a primitive version of Natal in the Zcam form.

Now stfu, be a gamer...Not a hater

P.S. We all need to be prepared for people who know sign language. Are assess are going to get kicked royally...lol
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tyrex  +   1939d ago
my fatass is tired just from watching. good thing MS bought that company so they have the hardware and software to bring you this.
tudors  +   1939d ago
No good for GWars....
I know I could not get used to doing it like that, you need perfect eye to hand coordination, boxing would be fantastic with Natal, it would be nice if they could make a boxing game with sensors attached to your body that register the hits, infact with Natal I would imagine the sensors could be virtual, 3D with Natal would work great, I would not be surprised if Natal is 3D ready.
Major Kanimo  +   1939d ago
- this is cool
if they use this like six-axis n allow for all games to be played this way as motion buttons then il be really impressed either way to make a game with hand or arm movements like he was doing really blows my mind 2010 is going to be a great year for all!
frankymv  +   1939d ago
So this is Microsoft's big hope?
divideby0  +   1939d ago
I am interested in Natal, but not for games like this or shooters or sports or MOST DEF NOT for online gameplay..all will be major failures (as with other motion controls).
menu selection and RPGs would be the only interest.

just watch the vid and see what a fail it looks like
yorkie  +   1939d ago
Would anyone honestly enjoy playing games like that. I personally find motion controls lacking in the all important fun factor and I've yet to see anything that makes me believe motion controls are the future of gaming.
shazui123  +   1939d ago
that actually looks terrible
hugely inaccurate and laggy. Im glad this is only being marketed towards casual gamers, because they can have it. I won't be jealous, at all.
fr0sty  +   1939d ago
looks unplayable. notice they never show the person playing for more than a couple seconds before cutting away, at 32 seconds natal just freezes up and leaves the player sitting there wondering what happened, finally at the end of the video the player dies again and just walks away. didn't look like they were having a good time trying to wave their way through a level. there is also some serious input lag going on in this video... another fatal flaw of natal.
kneon  +   1938d ago
I don't know why people still complain about the lag
That's likely one of the more easily solvable issues, it may just mean the price goes up as more horsepower is needed to keep lag at an acceptable level. If the estimated ship dates are anywhere near correct then there is still a lot of time to fix that problem.

Either the lag will get fixed or Natal will only be used for games that are not severely impacted by the lag.
xcox  +   1939d ago
"natal powered"
Cajun Chicken  +   1939d ago
Well, that's me sold on Natal if this is true. Loved GW on Wii.
LOLatURDUMBAZZ  +   1938d ago
I've yet to play that game! It will be a must have if this is true to natal. I don't even own a 360 right now, but when natal & 360 is bundled together I will buy 1. I liked the deal behind the eyetoy. But it was LACKING GAMES! Sony really pissed me off with that. I've bought all of them games they have for it. OPC is the only game I really like on it. I hope natal will bring what I wanted in the eyetoy. I'm not counting out the wands from sony either. I want those just as bad.
Bigpappy  +   1937d ago
That room is quite dark
Did anyone else notice that. They are testing the gameplay in low lit environments. This is a great idea. Most people game in low light.

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