It's getting closer and closer to check-writing time for Steve Ballmer, as the U.S. Court of Appeal for the Federal Circuit has just upheld a decision that would see Microsoft Word and Office banned from sale starting January 11.
Word and Office are one of the gears that makes the MS engine run, without it MS would lose much of its clout. It would certainly affect their finances as well as their stocks, because losing 2 of your profitable products, would not endear you to your investors. I think MS would certainly settle this out of court, but it would be for a godly sum.
That sounds terrible for MS. What does this entail though? Forgive me but I'm not too familiar with the consequences. Does it mean Apple can start using it? Does it MS doesn't own it anymore?
I think it means no one can use it... or profit from it. Microsoft will now have to re-disgn stuff or remove features. Honestly I doubt this will have too much of an effect on the consumer to be honest. And as a side note: Open Office FTW!
All this means is that Microsoft will wright a big check to the patent holder and will be free to do what it wants with word and office. this is a non issue
99% of the united states population uses Microsoft Word for school, business and much more. I bet they are gonna use MS word to type up this court document >_> So what will be used in the future? Everyone isnt gonna be running 2007 forever and just like the windows OS, they aren't just gonna jump ship to Open Office or Google Docs (witch both are not so great). Sure Microsoft shouldnt have stole whatever it was they stole but come on, really...
Guess you can't plagiarize/copy people and expect to get away with it all the time.
Yeah it could be a non-issue, but if I were the patent-holder I would certainly wait for Microsoft's Investors Meeting, before even thinking of settling it with MS. You can be sure it would drive the price up, specially if the rumors of certain higher-ups getting the axe proves true.
You end up infringing on someone elses patent, since invariably there aren't too many sensible ways to do something and if the patent is written broad enough.... well there is your answer. Either way, as indicated in the article. MS is preparing another version without the infringing algorithm and problem is solved! Earth continues to orbit around the sun.
Anyway I don't thnk this will be over anytime soon and I agree rodeoo this is a non issue.
I love my PS3 just like the next guy but all of you saying that MS deserves it for this are utter and damned fools. Microsoft Word is essential. No other word processor is as good, as comprehensive, and as ubiquitous as MS Word. Word and Powerpoint are the only things, besides Windows, that I like from MS. You can fault Microsoft hardware all you want. You can attack Microsoft for its anti-competitive nature when it comes to web browsers and the like. But to actually attack Microsoft over a product that is actually good, does what it is meant for perfectly, and has a long history is being absurd and shows either your naivete or your fanboyism. All of you saying that the alternatives are better: if they are better, why aren't they as widely adopted, both among professionals and casuals? Most students in high schools and universities use Word and Powerpoint (and Adobe PDF), despite having Open Office as an option.
LOL, why not? It's easy to use and does pretty much everything.
It's not a big deal, I'm using OpenOffice right now and I don't notice any HUGE difference, so nobody will die if don't use Word or Office
It's a complete non issue, they are releasing a version that handles XML differently, everything else within it is the same, it just may not support one of the hundreds of file types, way to overstate it...
When they bring people to court around the world for stealing games and their OS from them, that is fair and just and they deserve the money from those thieves, so now they were caught stealing, so they need to pay too. I don't care how "essential" it is for them, they stole from a guy, and a poor guy at that; so they need to pay as well, end of discussion.
From what I read on another site, MS is going to be reprogramming the code and releasing a different version of office that doesn't use the patented stuff. But they have to pay out $290 million to i4i in compensation.
Well most people still prefer office 2003 over the new 2007 which basicly runs by the sentence "Fix and break whats not broken" Seriously the 2007 interface of word is retarded and there seems to be no option what so ever to "use the old interface" Open office all the way, good familiar interface and most features that matter are already supported. Not to mention it supports wider array of formats and is not restricted by microsofts common retardness of wanting to create/sustain/keep monopoly. oh before all the fanboy crap, this article has nothing to do with games or consoles. Microsoft game section is doing pretty well these days so I seriously doubt this will any way affect the "quality" of their upcoming hardware or games software.
I agree. I hate Office 2007. I'm forced to use it because everyone else has switched over and it doesn't seem to matter what it is, everything is saved in that new "docx" format, or the excel and powerpoint equivalents. However, you stated "Microsoft game section is doing pretty well these days." Is it really? Last I looked at Microsoft's financials, 360 sales had hit a 2 year low a quarter ago and this last quarter also showed year on year declines. Also, consider that the only thing that's keeping the cost of the 360 warranty debacle off the books is clever accounting. Microsoft wrote off 2 billion to cover the warranty and now it suddenly looks like the Entertainment division is making a profit but nothing could be further from the truth. That 2 billion they wrote off is ongoing, and sapping revenue as we speak. The reason that the Entertainment Division isn't in the red ever single quarter is due to this clever bit of accounting that effectively keeps the warranty costs off the books. Investors aren't fooled by "Yeah, we have to write off billions in the next couple of years, so we'll just claim it on our books now" suddenly followed by "Hey! Lookey! We just made $100 million!" We know Microsoft Entertainment is still struggling under the weight of that repair bill.
Now they need to ban the 360 for setting homes on fire.
How is this great news? I assume you are all for patent trolling until your company of choice will be hit by it?
Only a delusional idiot would say something like that. I was going to buy office 2010 for college next year... Damn!
Why? Open Office is free...
I prefer the interface!
haha. good one
Elven6 your opinion is incorrect & misinformed ~ "Just to be clear on this, i4i ****isn't a patent troll**** -- it's a a 30 person database design company that shipped one of the first XML plugins for Office and was actually responsible for revamping the entire USPTO database around XML to make it compatible with Word back in 2000. What's more, the patents involved here don't cover XML itself, but rather the specific algorithms used to read and write custom XML -- so OpenOffice users can breathe easy, as i4i has said the suite doesn't infringe. Existing Office users should also be fine, as only future sales of Word are affected by the ruling, not any already-sold products."
... this is bad. I love MS office, esp. excel n word. I hope someting turns up bcoz Computers wont be the same without it.
this could be a huge blow for ms
I had no idea the court actually went through with this. Yeah this is a major issue for MS but knowing them, settling out of court is the next step since they of course appealed it so now its left to go to the Supreme Court. But if they cant settle out of court and they lose in the next round then ya...thats gonna be a issue for MS...big time.
if it's one thing they did somewhat well it was it's office system...
it seems most of their successful products have been stolen from someone else, what a sad software company.
...What the? Is this a joke?
About time MS is held accountable for their actions. You cant just steal and push people around with your money.
yes, but.....but I like Word and Office
Oh don't get me wrong... I use word and office EVERYDAY. It is absolutely the best product that comes from MS.
I can't stand Word since they implemented the new layout. I can't figure out how to do any of the stuff that I used to know how to do with the program. They should have definitely made it an option to keep the classic layout. The new one is a piece of crap. I don't want picture icons for everything, I want clear, meaningful worded descriptions for each function. Classic design was perfect, new design is confusing, cluttered, poorly organized, and difficult for an old dog like me to have to relearn. So I said screw it and uninstalled it and reinstalled the older version that I'm familiar with.
Callahan, I agree... It took me a long time to get used to the new version.
The Solution: http://ubuntulife.files.wor...
Still have my 2007 version, so whatever.
ahh boohoo. Go play some Bayonetta
Not good at all.
The $$ they were pouring into development for office and such could be used to fund new projects and (potentially) new studios to develop games for windows and 360. As bad as that may seem it would be the beginning of a shift in focus gamers have been clamouring for. Rather than buy exclusives, they make them and do it right.
that funds game development. This is M$ we are talking about here, something tells me they will rather spend their billions on expensive lawsuits and 'greasing palms'.
@darthv72 prob is many people can afford to not care about microsoft's games and hardware .. it's hardly a must have . While Word/office is an everyday app for both low end consummers and many companies . Once the public , severed from access to Word and office , find out that those other progs making up only a tiny part of the market , like open office and goople apps , are everybit as good and easy to use than office ... what happens ? Not only would they lose money for the time poeple spend without their product , but once they'd of course be back (you know that even in the worst scenario they'd be back with a new lawsuit free office) they'd have lost marketshare ... and would have issues getting those people back . And they know it , half is their success is based on the fact that many people are too comfy or lazy to bother trying other progs ... Oh the irony then ! But of course they'll most likely find a way to settle/threaten/weasel out , and all of the above wont happens . Still one can dream , it would have been sweet and poetic justice ...
I can't imagine what's going to happen once the date comes.
and that wont increase piracy in the slightest, as the only alternative is google docs or open office, which are sub average
Open offive 3.1 is better than office in my opinion.
sub average? Oh, it has less bells and whistles than Office Is not as HUGE as you want to pretend, the functionality is almost the same knowing OpenOffice is FREE
Finally, Microsoft is getting what they deserve.
I sail these 'ere seas ... For Buried Treasure matey!! Arrrrrgh!!! :D *clears throat* Point here is... Everyone illegally downloads Microsoft Office so what's new??
this is gonna kick ya where it hurts.I love word and office,but Ive always felt... ,it should be a part of windows and not a stand alone product
Crazy stuff, i wonder how they are going to fix this? Obviously they will just settle out of court for 100 million of something but man thats crazy. Hope it works out fair for everyone involved.
It says right in the article, this doesn't effect already sold copies.
Edit Well, MS managed to string it out to 2010. Oh guess, what Office 2010 has already been released by April. Problem solved. As it does not affect already sold products. Edit: " Microsoft says it's moving quickly to have versions of Office 2007 and Word 2007 that don't have the "little-used" XML features for sale by January 11, and that the Office 2010 betas use a different algorithm that doesn't infringe i4i's patent. It's also considering an appeal, so we'll see what happens there.:
This is terrible news. Why would anyone be rooting for such a thing? Office is a great product and is used around the world... I usually don't care for patents and such, but even this put a sinking feeling in my gut. I really hope they can work something out, as Office and Word are some of the best pieces of software to ever be released, and surely points to signs of significant job losses. Edit @ Below You realize that Office and Word are sold more than the actual OS they run on, right? This is most certainly terrible news. Believe it or not, the world depends on certain companies. GM, Microsoft, etc. are business giants, and most (if not all) major corporations use products such as Microsoft Office. PARTICULARLY our Legal System. We literally can't use Apple-based alternatives - there's a clause in their EULA that says the operating system can't be used if it assists in a person recieving the maximum penalty for a capital offense, i.e. the death penalty.
office is easily repleacable byseasily as good , or even better progs ... the beautiful part being you dont even have to retrain for most o them . So of course no it's not terrible news , hardly for the public . without office they'd easily move out to another thing .
...are: 1.) ignorant Sony fanboys who love ANY negative news concerning MS, and/or 2.) hackers, pirates, and Linux fanboys, who view MS as evil, just because they make $$ off of things they think should be "free".
are people that like to see persons who break the law get punished. Obviously they did, or they would not have received this court decision.
@Gamer71 Once you actually have an IT degree , or work in the field like some of us actually do ... and know some history ... maybe this wont sounds like the echoing bark of a rabbid xbl junkie . It hardly affect microsoft's gaming part , so more likely even less Sony ... @Arnon There is more than apple out there , and some would be more than willing to compromise with the law . Like i said way above , of course office is widely spread and an everyday life product . However it's the shoes and the function that's needed , not who's inside it ... the public would accept anyone skilled enough and willful enough to fill the void . And again it's not even a likely scenario . Microsoft will just pay for breaking laws and their behavior ... Not even in full of what they should , they'll just get a tiny slap and settle . And please let's not talk about job loss . few are usually bothered by the people who lost theirs because of Microsoft's malpractices and abusive conduct
Can anyone explain the magnitude of this? Does this REALLY mean they can't sell Office anymore?
I hope not.
Just office 2007. The newer versions aren't affected. It's not a big deal at all. They're even updating 2007 to not use it.
there talking about a very small part of office frankly it wont affect me at all as i dont use windows besides this fits ms history break the law hope they dont get caught then pay up or buy up when they do
open office for the win its free clean and above all does everything i need it to
Ouch........that's even worse then this. http://www.techspot.com/new...
1) Microsoft settles out of court with the company, allowing it to continue using the said infringing patents. (unoriginal but historically likely) 2) Microsoft pulls infringing copies of Office 2007 from shelves and replaces them with Office 2007 minus the technology they stole. Users of existing copies receive a mandatory update through Windows Update that removes features (and potentially kills compatibility). Either way, OpenOffice is a decent product but I would never replace Office with it. I just can't stand OpenOffice. I only sympathize with it because it's free. If I had to pay for it, I'd probably have an aneurysm.
...the hottest last-minute X-mas gift of 2009, for people with a need for it. Retailers had already begun slashing the price of Office months ago, when the lawsuit was first filed; now they'll be in rapid-dump mode before 1/11/10 hits. I'm guessing sub-$50 will be the norm after X-mas.
Or use open office.
Damn, I was looking forward to the sequels.