Gamer Limit writes "Three years into the console's life and developers are still afraid to touch it."
The Wii is truly a redundant console.
unremarkable is more like it.
but nintendo gave up on pushing the boundaries(tech wise) a long time ago. I buy new consoles because of the new tech and the wii seems to be old tech with a new controller. Its not bad at all for the market its going after but its not for me. When nintendo starts to push the boundaries of console games like they did with mario 64 and Ocarina of Time then Ill buy their systems again. LOVed my nes, snes, and 64 and will always respect Nintendo for what they have done but now Im overwhelmed with all the PS3/360/PC games. I am very intrested to see if some of the profit they get from wii will translate to a New console that combines nintendos innovation with new and powerful hardware.
did anyone actualy hear the ign nintendo podcast ? it was shockingly unprofessional , i was actually offended by it they demeand an entire fanbase the same fanbase that subscribed to their podcast
@Solidus, Obviously you are missing the point where Sony and MS also want to cater to kids or girls or housewives for that matter. Ps3 and 360 offer content for kids too and by your mentality you are only destroying what could actually be better for your future set of gaming consoles, Money = win. Luckily you are only one out of the few who think that. I know it sounds like marketing PR BS, but im just being realistic here. " like they did with mario 64 and Ocarina of Time then Ill buy their systems again" Despite the fact it still offers great games, you are still willing to miss out. To each his...own...i guess.
I just think that its obvious that PS3 and 360 cater more to people of my age and a wii has way more appropriate games for kids. I know there are games on the wii that id love to play because I love games. And talking about zelda and mario, the 64 versions of those franchises will probably be as complex as they will ever get. At least I really feel that to be true with mario at least. I played a little of galaxy and it seemed like a simplified, barley evolved mario 64. Mario 64 was complex and just mario and a bunch of crazy moves. Pure 3d platforming goodness. I think the newer marios and zeldas would be great for new gamer who have never played the old 3d ones, but at least to me, Id find them lacking something. Take the different mario games for instance. Think of the jump between mario 1> mario 3, then mario 3 > world, then world> 64. I dont see the same jump from 64 to the next Mario games. Im not talking about the grafix, but I really liked how nintendo pushed the limits of the 64 and gaming with these games. Even on nes and snes they did it. Mario 1 to mario 3 both on the same hardware, seem to be like more of an evolution of gameplay than the jump from mario 64 to galaxy 2 systems later.
"developers are still afraid to touch it" What the HELL that suppose to mean? This article is trying to say that Devolpers don't push the boundaries with games lol why they're going to do that? Why Develop a HUGE game when you know Casuals only buy wii-fit, wii-sport and everything related to Mario Better do a quick buck, earn some money and Develop for PS3, PC/xbox 360 Edit: I'm not downplaying Nintendo first Party titles, just Third Party Devs can't do anything to compete with Nintendo exclusives
It's utter Wii Wii.
Poor nintendo fanboys.
My DS is my favourite system but recently I've been playing my Wii more and I've been playing it a lot more than my 360, the 360 is there for Left 4 Dead 2 now. I have plenty of games to play but they're mostly smaller profile games that are under the radar. The Wii is lacking the big blockbuster games with only a few major third party titles coming; Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter Tri and Epic Mickey really. The argument against Epic Mickey being on the Wii are funny though. Which reminds me I still need to pick up Spectrobes: Origins at some point...
This was a very well written article. There is a lot of Wii bashing for things it never intended to do. Nintendo made a stance, set out to go in a different direction than Sony and Microsoft, and has done a pretty good job of it. Good enough that Sony and Microsoft deem it necessary to implement motion control. What's more amazing is that the price of the system still hasn't dropped.
the price dropped a few months ago
That sentence right there makes the article irrelevant. Yes, it should matter especially when you are comparing systems. "With the frequency of “Wii is a failure” pieces being published, you would assume that there aren’t any Wii fans among enthusiast gamers, much less those who would rate it above the 360 and PS3. That’s not true, though. There are such gamers. I am such a gamer." No duh you're such a gamer, you don't own anything else. If someone prefers the wii over something else, awesome! Power to 'em. To claim that such and such is better without having something to objectively compare it to is silly imo. Not all games are rated M on "HD" consoles, Rare & others have games on the 360, PS3 has Little Big Planet, Ratchet & Clank, etc. I think this is a classic case of a nintendo fanboy convincing himself that HD and high production values are bad. It's like he's actively trying to justify to himself why it's ok that nintendo is stringing him along. Hang in there buddy, the longer you hold out the shorter that line will be for wii2 on it's launch day.
i haven't touched it either. except when the damn thing glows blue.
that part about E.Mickey, I dont even think HD gamers want a multiplat version since it will only result in a half baked game. it will have the visual flare but the game would probably suck.
Because of not having motion controls? The game could be done just as well without them, probably even better. Whats more, motion controls could be patched in later on when motion controllers came out on the HD consoles. I have a Wii, and just got NSMB, Madworld, The Conduit, and Wii Sports Resort. I can only see myself playing Sports Resort for a couple days and that is it. Madworld is pretty fun, The Conduit has wonky controls and disgustingly horrible A.I. NSMB is fun to play with the old lady, but other than that, my Wii is mostly played by my GF and my kids. 360, PS3, and PC for me. I also wanna give Galaxy 1 and 2 (when it comes out) a try.
It will suck from a design point of view. It will be just a bad port, It will suck and you know it.
Are anything like myself. They've gotten to a point where they could care less about third parties and their excuses and complaints and all that $hit. In economic times such as this, third parties need a viable platform just to survive. No company is safe, look at Take-Two recently. A developer of one of the highest selling games this gen (not on the Wii) and the company is seeing more red than an LA street gang. If they showed Wii love, maybe their predicament wouldn't be so dire. But yeah they want to push polygons and hardware right? Look where that got them. Its funny that generally good business is giving the people what they want. And judging from every sales tracking firm people seem to be buying a hell of a lot of Wii's..FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS! But the more these companies want to go against the grain like Take-Two, the more will end up like Take-Two. The Wii was not these devs' enemy. But they treated it and its userbase as such. There are consequences for that. They've left so much money on the table it ain't even funny. Wii have moved on. We'll show love to those that show love to us. But the crying and complaining, that's stopped. I don't think many other Wii owners even care any more where the good games come from. The whole Wii can't sell third party games shtick is just that a shtick. Wii owners are too busy playing NSMB and MP Trilogy to hear you bi^&* about how your mediocre game did mediocre sales. Third Parties, the door is always open. Trust that. But Wii aren't holding our breath anymore. Some have turned blue others have suffocated. I've just inhailed and exailed.
Take 2 has made games for the Wii Manhunt 2 Bully Table Tennis Not quite the caliber of GTA4, but they did give the Wii a try.
you just named three PS2 games that they ported for some quick cash... great examples! EDIT: Oh wait, Table Tennis is a downport of a 360 game.
"Not quite the caliber of GTA4" That's a bit of an understatement. All three of those games are terrible.
You unintentially proved my point.
They tried, nobody bought them, and they gave up. They then developed games on platforms that could push the envelope. Lets be honest, motion controls on GTA4 would not have made that game any more fun. Plus, having severely downgraded graphics doesn't help either. I like my Wii, but not in the same regard as the other platforms. I really hope that Nintendo quits pandering old farts and little kids, takes the bucket loads of cash they made, and pushes for top notch graphics with their next console. It is OK for Nintendo to go after the cash, but please bring back the Nintendo I knew and loved back in the old days.
point wasn't missed. It was weak. Besides Table tennis on Wii outsold the 360 version. So there goes that theory. Also Motion Controls for a GTA game could have had an RE4 effect or Metroid effect. I wish third parties would stop catering to junior pc users and focus on consoles..you know where most of these companies spawned from.
"push the envelope" "Lets be honest" "pushes for top notch graphics" Dear me, now we're adopting the same meaningless buzzwords and empty linguistical double-speak as those soul-less corporate power point presentations? I fear that soon we'll have an entire generation that offers nothing but cliches. I personally like to get the ball rolling by putting the pedal to the metal and pulling out all the stops so I can live my live on the edge while going balls to the wall to raise the bar and take it to the limit while painting the town red as far as the eye can see -- you know, business as usual, behind the eight ball, going for broke ahead of the curve, ridin the wave, dodging the bullet, and making out like a bandit. We can't rest on our laurels because Rome wasn't built in a day and some people can't see eye-to-eye on this, so we have to stick to our guns. To make a long story short, some people live happily ever after while others bang their heads against brick walls, bite the bullet, and crash and burn and fall through the cracks because they're not firing on all cylinders. Because he who hesitates is lost, things aren't what they used to be, a rolling stone gathers no algae, and we can talk shop until we're blue in the face. We have to stick to our guns since what separates the men from the boys is that losers whine about trying their best; winners go home and **** the prom queen.
The Godfather on the wii is awesome. It's one of the few games that actually put motion controls to great use. Grabbing people and tossing them around felt really cool in that game. It's a shame it didn't sell too well and it's an even bigger shame that i lost my copy when i moved out of chicago.
Just to add my two cents... Third parties are utterly stupid (especially western developers) in giving the Wii the cold shoulder. They are leaving so much money on the table with the console leader this gen. They could have made massive loads of money on it if they put as much care and effort in their games as they do with the HD brothers.
is what turned them away. True, some developers were lazy and slapped motion controls onto existing games and ported them to the Wii, but some developers did try. With over 50% of the Wii user base being soccer moms and old farts, the software attachment rate is not as high as the 360 or PS3. Plus, the motion plus came out way too late (should have been there since day one). Having the motion plus earlier, would have saved a lot of games from having horrible controls. I cannot stand doing very basic scripted motions in the Wii games. To me that is not how motion should be done. Take Sony's 'Gem.' From the tech demo they showed, it was true 1:1 movement, not scripted gestures. That is the type of motion control I want. So far, the closest thing to a true 1:1 lightsaber game is on Wii Sports Resort with the fencing. I really want to play some great games on the Wii, it just doesn't seem like we will ever get TRUE motion control on it. If a whole console is based around motion control and it cannot do that right, what is the point?
Pulling Numbers out your ass don't you? Wii sells the most software of any current gen console..See that's a fact. There was money to be made as Vizion said and money is being left on the table simple as that. Its funny first Motion Controls were a fad. But now that other companies are implementing motion controls they're acceptable? How much is Sony paying you? Attach rate? Get real, the Wii has a higher attach rate than the PS3 and twice the installed base thnk about that. Generally when an installed base increases its attach rate lows..Gamecube had a higher attach rate than the PS2..so? How motion controls should have been done? You cross me as a guy who were part of the 'fad talk'concerning motion controls. Prime 3 sold me on the Wii. 1:1 is evident in WSR and Tiger 10 have you played those games? Probably not. The Wii section would be much more enjoyable if you and others like you stayed in the areas labeled PS3 and 360..You guys argue about Bayonetta's score and MW2's graphical comparison..Leave Us Wii owners, along with old people (who rock) Soccer moms (I love milfs) and the rest of us "casual gamers" to our own interests. Thanks.
good third party games do exist on Wii, but people are too busy looking at the mediocre ones and wondering why it didn't sell. Tales of Syphonia Dawn of the new World is doing good, as is No More Heroes, and other games that were done right. Half these reviewers ignore games like Spectrobes Origins and Sakura Wars because its not the FPS they have made the staple for hardcore gaming. I can ask the same about 360 or PS3? Why did Lost Oddyssee get more fame than the superior Blue Dragon? Why did that crappy Dark Sector beat out Folklore? Plain and simple the media hypes what it wants to hype. Case and point: How is Modern Warfare 2 the most anticipated game of the decade, when gamers have been anticipating a new 3rd person Metroid since 2000 and Other M comes out in 2010?
good point, dark sector was god awful and it's a shame folklore was looked over by everyone. I love the game.
It saw its first price drop only a few months ago, which should be noted.
and more journalists more willing to say it how it is rather then directly quoting the fanboys who spam the crap out of wii news and threads. Yeah... we've kindof reached a point where the only thing holding wii back is a bunch of rabid fanboys determined to see the wii fail for not reaching their HD standards. It is 3 x cheaper to make a AAA title on wii as opposed to HD. These developers need to see that and put the effort that needs to be put into it. Of course it can't be said that nintendo is totally blameless, they need to put a bit more effort in too. I think the wii can do alot more then Nintendo wants to do with it... they also need to set an example for the 3rd parties.
Why do so many wii games look horrible? The wii is more powerful than the gamecube and the gamecube had some of the best looking titles last gen. Mario Galaxy and Corruption are the exception to this.
Look at kolona, that game is simple but the graphics are top notch and pretty damned beautiful. They run at a smooth 60fps too! Resident Evil 4 still holds up. Plus the hand drawn sidescrollers are really kicking butt on wii. It's just more companies need to just put the effort in and stop treating it as the redheaded stepchild system.
Some of the better looking games are on the Wiiware. Such as Lost winds, Snowboard Riot, and the Monkey Island games. I'm not big on graphics myself, but I will admit that after seeing what Capcom did with RE: Darkside Chronicles, and What EA did with Deadspace: Extraction, most other third party games make you want to scream! However a good art style can make-up for low poly count any day. Games like Muramasa, Spectrobes, No More Heroes, and Monster Hunter Tri show how good art styles can beat out high polycount HD Graphics. Look at Mario Galaxy. It looks as good as any 360 or PS3 game, because of its artstyle. What I'm more concerned with, however is quality. I can play another Opoona type game (it had good gameplay and story with quirky graphics that were good enough), but I don't want a bunch of pretty Rail shooters. Third Parties need to step it up, and Nintendo needs to stop letting them play over their biggest success in the home console history.
yea, i hear you guys. I didn't mean ALL the games. I just find it crazy that so many titles look like garbage when the gamecube was capable of putting out so many beautiful games. You guys are right with the wii having some great looking "cartoon" style games. I really wanna get my hands on muramasa, i can never find it at the local shops though. I also wanna try out the new 'a boy and his blob'
Well for such a redundant console as some in the gamer zone have said i reckon you should take a look at the 360... i mean out of the 3 consoles only 1 wasn't wifi straight out of the box and the WII using sd cards to save games is way better than paying stupid amounts for a memory card if you have the arcade model of the 360. oh ps3 not backward compatibility but u can buy a ps2 cheaper than a hdd for the 360 if you really want to play your old ps2 collection. 360 is not 100 percent backward compatible with original xbox games. WII is 100% backward compatible for Gamecube games of your region. WII doesn't play dvd's its for games after all. Yep Nintendo dropped the ball on this one u can just tell by the sales figures there so baaaddd ... oh wait there kicking the HD consoles asses. I went through 4 360's and will never touch a Microsoft machine ever again not only cause of the dud hardware but the contemptible attitude of there crap call center. I have a PS3 for almost 18 months and it has not missed a beat and now have a WII which gets a thrashing because it's pure simple fun. I'm no hardcore gamer but makes me laugh when so called hardcore gamers dismiss the WII as not a real Console. ROFLMAO what a fricken bunch of hypocrites who wont admit you don't need a powerhouse of a machine to be successful. Nintendo have hit a home run with the WII because they came up with a novel idea and went back to basics and made everything about having fun. Sony and Nintendo I look forward to purchasing your next consoles and Microsoft well unless one is given to me as a gift I wont touch it but flog it off on Ebay asap. But I wont recieve one my family values there lives after the ear bashing they get when they ask me what's the 360 like.
As I said before 3rd parties just don't know how to make Wii games. And also I want to point out that since craig harris took the helm of the nintendo team at ign it just became lame... And I knew that when I read the "nintendo needs achievements" article... the first lines were "one the most innovative things (achievements) of the genaration"
I'm glad matt casamassina is gone from the nintendo team. I personally felt that he was biased towards the wii. Also, achievements are one of the most innovative things this gen. I personally could care less about my trophy score on the ps3 but it has made quite an impact on gaming as a whole. That's what craig said too in their latest podcast, he said he felt that motion controls (obviously) have made the biggest impact and that achievements were second.
Well Matt was more entertaining than craig... but really? achievements? one of the most innovative things this generation? c'mon... Do we really need a system that tells us useless stuff like "you killed 1000 enemies" "you died 2000 times" "your in game character farted 5000 times" NO!!!! and the only purpose is to show off those things to your friends online? I'll pass... I don't even look at my Ps3 trophies collection... I prefer to play and pay attention to my games...
not just cartoony games.Wii also makes good looking realistic games like MWReflex, RE:Darkside, Deadspace, Mech Conflict, Silent Hill, Cursed Mountain, Fatal Frame 4, and a few others.They can make good looking games when they want to. I like Onechanbara's look.
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