Christian Group Seeks to Ban Modern Warfare 2

Maine's Christian Civic League is calling for a ban on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. "The public has been dangerously desensitized to violence," the group writes. "Many find a thrill in participating in violent video games." They continue to say the game goes too far, "even in our own desensitized age." Of course, the notorious "No Russian" level is most offensive, according to the group.

[Tony P]

"Coincidentally, the same group accused a bookstore owner of being a witch and casting a spell on the administrator of the League. I think this might cancel out any argument they have. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot..."

Why don't you test her by seeing if she floats or sinks? /s

Damn I'm glad science overrules mystic traditions these days.

[mrv321]

I'm frankly glad this narrowminded people aren't granted such a open stage to preach.

Their views on anti-abortion and homosexuality can be rather stupid at times.

Let a person be him or herself... just leave things ALONE.

[MICROTRON]

mw2 is to good for them

probably got sniped to many times on live

lol

[BenCrazy424]

I think they're a little late since its been out for a month.

[Mr_Bun]

If video games desensitize, then what do you call walking into a church with life size statues of a man with spikes in his head/wrists/ankles and a spear in his side after being beaten and tortured?

Aren't christians the ones parading around with that as the symbol which is supposed to represent their entire religion?

At least with games like Modern Warfare, you are supposed to be 18 to play....I was 5 when I took my first step in a church and saw that bloody mess.

[Sibs]

Oh man, they think they are free to limit OUR rights, but as soon as we try to limit them, they cry first amendment. It doesn't work both ways.

[LiL T]

Religon = waste of time
Religon = false promises
Religon = we ask you for money while we tell you bullsh1t stories about a mexican carpenter that did magic tricks and told stories named jesus ( hey zeus)

edit- LOL @ disagrees, I bet you have no facts to prove what I said is any more or less true than your whack a$$ testiments or bible or whatever that best selling novel was.

[DarkTower805]

Lol @ Christians and their never ending crusade to chastise and convert everything/everyone they deem unholy/unethical.

[Cheeseknight28]

You're getting disagrees for generalizations. I personally don't believe in organized religion but that doesn't mean I don't have my own Christian beliefs. No offense to you, of course. Feel free to bash Christians all you want - it won't offend me.

[xTruthx]

You talk about people disagree with no facts when you don't even have one fact on your comment. You just made a complete fool of your self, you do know, the big bang theory has as many loop holes as Christianity believes do. I don't know y they say "Christians" because Im one and I respect every 1 for who they are, I don't like when people try to speak for my self and just make a bad image of me and the people who have the same or similar believes. You talk about false promises, do you even know one ?

@Mr Bun
I really disagree with you when you say religion is hilarious, some(not many) teach moral values, something this world is in need of. There are crazy fanatic's out there but they don't speak for their religion, they speak for them self's making a religion look like its bad when its not.

[sikbeta]

I know this guys are mad and all, but better respect the religion of a person, instead of say is cr@p and blah blah, after all is someone choice

[LiL T]

I was raised in a catholic (just as crazy) family and I have read all thoose novel's. I expected to get disagrees for my comment but I said to see the reaction. I don't really "hate" anything, just have a diffrence of opinion. I don't get offended by internet comment's. I am still waiting for someone to prove me wrong though.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Lil T, you got it all wrong.

He's a Zombie Jew that's his own father that respawned after 3 days then trolled all the people.

[DaTruth]

Same people who elect Bush, support his wars and support Israels violence against Palestinians!

In the Bible, hypocrites are the worst people named, behind Publicans(politicians)!

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

is the fact that they always push their beliefs on you!

Don't condem me for my beliefs that differs from yours and no, I don't believe I will go to hell for not listening to you. Throughout history, in the name of religion far more people have been killed than from video games! Maybe we should BAN religion!!!

[lsujester]

I want to get a group together to seek to ban the sale of Christian-oriented games, like Left Behind, Bible adventure games, Noah's Ark, etc. These games are detrimental to youth, brainwashing them into a religion which discriminates against lifestyles that don't confirm to its strict policies.

[LiL T]

Really, I am pretty sure that anybody with common sense knew what my comment was intended for, so I guess you are lacking in that department. Then you go on to call me a fool without even bringing facts for your argument. I am still waiting for someone to prove me wrong!! Jesus is just like Santa Clause, its fun to believe in when your young then you get older and introduce yourself to science and the real world. Offended yet.. good my job here is done. Now im done typing cause I just got back from a one and a half hour motorcycle ride in the -15ºC weather and my hands are freezing.

[LiL T]

Ok one more time because I forgot to answer you question.
"hate"You talk about false promises, do you even know one ?"
Which religion would you like me to start with the one that promises 40 virgins or the one that has promise of getting in to a make believe place called heaven.
Look like a fool much.....

[kraze07]

LMAO! Hey zeus, lol.

[Mr_Bun]

So you agree with the rest of my statement then? As a Christian, your only qualm is with my title?

Thank you for proving my point!!!

[SaiyanFury]

Modern Christians like myself defend peoples' freedom of expression. Yes, the Modern Warfare 2 level might offend a lot of people, as well it should. It's pretty disturbing. I, unlike the portrayal of religious people here, will never push my beliefs on people. That is why people here in the US can practise their freedoms and beliefs without fear of censorship while conforming to the federal laws. The Russian level shows how terrorists can attack innocent people, and the level gives you, the player, the option to go along with it. Along with that level, it gives the player multiple outs to avoid the level without penalising you, the player, in the end. The level is disturbing but shows the reality of the world we live in. It's a scary thing. It's not politically correct, but terrorists portray just that; terror. Some religious people do seek to tone down the violence and desensitized nature of modern pop culture. They only seek to shield their children from the horrors of the world and seek to instill wholesome values to them. That's not a good reason to attack them and call them rednecks. For the ones that seek to indoctrinate others, those people are wrong. Believe what you want, that is the nature of a free country. I am a Christian, and I am a conservative, not a Republican. I believe in individual rights and freedoms of beliefs. If people agree with me, fine. If some don't, then fine as well. Please tell me how you agree or disagree, I'm open to all arguments.

[mrv321]

The public has been dangerously desensitized to violence

Ah the irony... let's check now

VIRTUAL VIOLENCE vs Christian violence.

Someones is forgetting about the Crusades... last I check the murder of 1,000's of civilliands was commited under the name of god is a damn sight more violent than a series of 1 and 0's. While Christians aren't the only ones to blame for the crusades I do believe they took part.

Then the HIV and Aids epidemic fueled by Christian views on condoms

Also Northern Ireland
The problems in Affrica
Christian liberal views to Nazi's allowed the Nazi conquest of Europe and the slaughter of millions of Jews
Forcing religon on cultures both foreign and domestic
Countless thousands of Christian terrorist groups
The rape of school kids commited by priests
Countless other acts against humanity.

Oh wait I'm using facts. Want another fact

The largest school mass murder in America was commited by a ADULT BEFORE Video games where invented.

Video games causing violence is ridiculous, any scienctist will tell you that what they will they video games can worsen violence for example someone who is naturally violent may be persuaded by video games... most of the time he or she would have done this anyway.

[bigboss911]

someone didnt study history very well.

[mrv321]

I am willing to research more so long as you provide me with my mistakes.

There's no point saying that I am wrong without telling me why.

Also Northern Ireland(TICK)
The problems in Affrica(TO AN EXTENT, TICK)
Christian liberal views to Nazi's allowed the Nazi conquest of Europe(TICK) and the slaughter of millions of Jews(TICK)
Forcing religon on cultures both foreign and domestic(TICK)
Countless thousands of Christian terrorist groups(Ok maybe not quite 1,000 but tick)
The rape of school kids commited by priests(TICK)

So please feel free to correct me.
Countless other acts against humanity.

[Parapraxis]

bigboss911, you provide nothing to the contrary.
You say mrv321 didn't study history, but it would seem he has. Care to clear up some of these alleged errors?

You can add Uganda to the list. The Family (xtian organization) has helped develop a bill that will allow homosexuals not only to be jailed, but possibly killed. Family members or members of the community who do not report gays would also be jailed. Children can be acuused and sentenced as well, and there only needs to be an allegation. This bill is being passed right now.
Gay bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Catholics spreading false information about condom use in Africa. Claiming you are actually more likely to get HIV/AIDS if you use them.
Rather than teaching responsible condom use and having only one partner alongside the option of celibacy.
The Pope on Condoms:
http://www.timesonline.co.u...

The child witch trials in Africa, which spawned due to protestant influence on the culture.
Dispatches: Return to Africa's Witch Children:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I could go on and on, as well as easily confirm every single thing mrv321 listed.

NOTE: BTW, the Dispatches program is rather disturbing in some parts, I would recommend you didn't watch it with children present.

[imec]

mrv321, you need to make some sort of relation between Christian doctrine and violence in order to have an effective argument (and that correlation must not ignore views or traditions that are opposed within the majority of the modern Christian community). Claiming that Christianity causes violence with such a weak correlation (the crusades, WW2, AIDs, etc) is as bad as making a correlation between videogame violence and violent crimes without citing any supporting research.

I am also absolutely amazed at your misunderstanding of National Socialist principle and Christianity. Racialist ideals and nationalism contributed greatly to the party's success. The US had no reason to go to war against Germany when Hitler was first elected (many of the ideas associated with the party at the time were quite popular within the US); citizens in general did not want another war, regardless of religious association. Also, the concept of racial sterilization and eugenics is deeply entwined with evolutionary concepts (which I don't believe the majority of the Christian community would find agreeable); although I would never suggest that atheists in general support eugenics or racialist views.

Your point on "countless christian terrorists" also isn't very convincing. Cite what it is within the Christian doctrine that causes violence (or prove that the violence is considered acceptable within the Christian community in general), or better yet prove that Christians are more likely to join terrorist factions than atheists or other religious/political groups.

Do Christians force their views on others more than other religious or political groups? Surely this is a contradiction on your behalf considering that it was "christian free speech" which caused the Holocaust. Or perhaps the Christian doctrine asserts that racial sterilization is an effective means to progress human evolution so they had no reason to oppose National Socialism?

Does the Christian doctrine justify the rape and molestation of children? Do Catholic priests molest children at a greater frequency in comparison with atheists or other non-christians? (of course this cannot be known, but I doubt one could uphold the golden rule or many other parts of the Christian doctrine and consciously molest children)

Also contraception is somewhat difficult for those who can't even access condoms (depending on who you are referring to). Views on contraception vary greatly within the Christian community (especially in developed nations). I also doubt that the Christian doctrine commends behavior which increases the likelihood of acquiring HIV.

How can you claim that your statements are facts without citing sources or effectively proving that such instances are exclusive to Christianity?

[Parapraxis]

"Racialist ideals and nationalism contributed greatly to the party's success."
As did religious doctrine, Hitler himself said "I transferred much of this organization into my own party"

Pacelli's pact with Hitler legitimized his dictatorship.

"Crimen Sollicitatiois" (The Crime of Solicitation) - on the subject of how to handle child abuse within the church and protect the offendors:
http://www.religioustoleran...

Condoms WERE being handed out by christian groups in Africa until the Pope put a stop to it.

[imec]

I am sorry Parapraxis but the basic premise of National Socialism is definitely non-christian (or at least has Darwinian traits). Of course those who wish to acquire a competitive position within a specific political environment should attempt to gain as much support as possible (even if Hitler was a sincere Christian as he often stated in his writings).

I would also like to point out that the doctrine is ignorable. For instance, a Christian may uphold a specific part of Christianity while ignoring another principle. Do crimes committed while ignoring a certain part of the Christian doctrine make such crimes "Christian crimes?" (this is the primary reason that I want a correlation between doctrine because the doctrine is ignorable)

I have never considered the relationship between Hitler and the Pope as an effective argument against Christianity (see above).

I am not a catholic so I will not argue the validity of the pope in this case.

[DaTruth]

Where are the mods when they should be deleting all these comments as they are off topic!

Please leave your gripes against religion at the door. Just because you are a nerd, were made fun of in school and can't get laid, doesn't mean there is no God!

[DaTruth]

Maybe we should write down all the offences of people who don't believe in God! There may be bad Christians, but the overwhelming amount of crime is committed by people who don't believe in God.

There really is no reason to be good except for God, as crime and evil deeds pay off big time.

[LiL T]

"Maybe we should write down all the offences of people who don't believe in God! There may be bad Christians, but the overwhelming amount of crime is committed by people who don't believe in God.
There really is no reason to be good except for God, as crime and evil deeds pay off big time."

hahaha wait, wait HAHAHAAAAA, oh your being serious. I think the worst crime is a hate crime and that seems to be practiced mainly by religious people. Does america not consider religious extremist terrorist, so by the same logic is this specific group not considered terrorist. Wow some of you religious people are truly retarded.
As for your second part of your comment, UMMMMM there are tonnes of reasons for being good and the biggest pay off for me ( I can't speak for everybody that doesn't believe in whoever ) has nothing to do with money. What makes me happy is seeing the smile on a customers face when you hand him the key to his car after doing an engine swap or putting in dual T68 in there. My religion is "I 'll believe it when I see it"

[creeping judas]

wait till they get a gander at Dante's Inferno!!!!

[ChampIDC]

Can't wait for that one.

[Godmars290]

They've yet to make a peep about it actually.

If they were going to say something, you'd think it would have been day-one.

[kaveti6616]

Actually, didn't such a group demand that EA apologize for that game when it was announced?

[Parapraxis]

kaveti6616, that was a viral marketing scheme.
Along with the "Mass We Pray" game.

http://www.masswepray.com/, click the pre-order button lol.

[Rhythmattic]

Parapraxis

I literally coughed Beer over my all important Beer hand.... Very clever Marketing by Dante's Publishers.

[sikbeta]

Just look:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[keysy420]

there are way worse games out their then mdw2 and secondly there are way worse movies. not really sure why you would have a esrb or try to ban a game. games should just say mature or e for everyone that's it you are either going to play a mature game or you are not bottom line.

games dont make people do crazy things. if not why play the game. meaing you play a game to enter a false reality,if you are going to do any of the things in the game in real life then why are you playing the game in the first place?
id like one person who want to ban a video game to answer that question

[cranium]

Some people have nothing better to do :/

[Ace777]

Ha! what a waste of time. Good Luck trying to ban one of the most popular games in the U.S right now.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Religions.

[Dtoxz]

This is a joke. This is why certain people hate religion. Because they try to push their beliefs on others. Nothing at all against christians but they are giving religion a bad name.
"All decent people should denounce the game," Are they serious? That's retarded. Its a video game about real life. Or at least a simulation about what war is like. So how about they ban war then? That would be awesome. How about "Good people should denounce war"

Do they not know what goes on in the world today? I bet if we had a full out world war, you wouldn't even have to train half of america because of these games. I knew how to load a gun, aim and shoot before I even picked up a real one. I'd rather learn in the virtual world than in the real one. If I make a mistake, I can respawn instead of having to go to the hospital because I blew an arm off or something. Lol. Basically my point is, these stupid ass groups are looking at the negatives of video games when the positives out weigh the negative. It's always something....something to fight. To mold things in God's eyes when half of them don't even know what God really wants. Then they force it on other people. This is why alot of people hate religion.... people like that give it a bad name.

[Anorexorcist]

Statements like that are what make me proud that I am atheist and I do not live under a cloud of deception and self-indulging B.S.

Only "decent" people get into "heaven", right? So I interpret that statement as basically: "If you play games like MW2, you are not going to achieve supreme satisfaction and supreme life in the after-life"

Where is the line drawn with these fascist groups? Yes I said fascist. Pretty soon it can became: "all decent people should denounce Rated-R movies and rock music"

What is the difference between religious groups and fascists? Religious groups don't call themselves fascists, that's the only difference.

I am a proud atheist, because at least atheists do not follow a ridiculous dogma and do not try to make their opinions into law.

Edit: Disagrees from what I presume to be Christian gamers here, but with absolutely no substantial rebuttals to back up their objections. The blind sheep just want to keep staring at the sky with only one eye and one ear open.

[kaveti6616]

That's rich, man. Disassociating yourself with a particular group with a violent past? Wow, you're really brave. /s

A bunch of idiots think they know what some entity wants, so they're willing to kill in its name just to please it (or him, whatever).

That's the stupid thing about religion.

However, there are aspects of religion that carry with them the idea of peace and stuff like that.

Some people can choose to follow those aspects of the religion. But then they get accused of cherrypicking through scripture, by, you guessed it, hardcore atheists who have nothing better to do than cluster together on internet sites and smog up the air with their snobbish, elitist comments.

I'm proud to be INDIFFERENT. Neither theist or atheist. As I see it, people who participate in this endless debate are the real idiots. Like Hitchens and Dawkins and from the religious side, Billy Graham and his bunch. All idiots.

[Anorexorcist]

What violent acts have taken place in the name of atheism?

Can you name one? Can you back up your claim on that? There are plenty of examples to support Christianity within that particular discussion, but Atheism...no. There is no firm dogma within Atheism that could turn people into religious sycophants and could cause people to vehemently and violently defend their beliefs. None at all.

"...people who participate in this endless debate are the real idiots."

What about the people like you who decide to act like hesitant, indecisive idiots who love to spectate, then criticize the people who debate without actually knowing that they themselves are debating on the issue when they finally come through and make such ridiculous, pig-headed statements such as yours.

"...have nothing better to do than cluster together on internet sites and smog up the air with their snobbish, elitist comments."

You might as well throw yourself into that same pot now, son.

[kaveti6616]

Son, you all sound the same to me. I swear, it's almost as if the atheists have their own little book full of quotes and arguments that they shove into the faces of people every time they're affronted. All you have succeeded in doing with your latest post is confirmed my claim that all you're capable of doing is being the polar opposite of a religious zealot, which makes you just as annoying and useless as they are.

If you want to get all technical with it, I can make the argument that all acts done in the name of religion were actually just a cover for ulterior motives. The Crusades were started over material treasures in Jerusalem rather than to please any god. That is, if you want to get all technical about it.

Some guy in the gamer zone said that somehow Christianity was responsible for the Holocaust because they did nothing to stop it, and thus religion sucks because of that.

Fantastic argument don't you think? And yet it is idiotic and does nothing more than to lay further blame on religion. I can make illogical bullshit arguments too. Sweden is a neutral nation full of mostly atheists. They did nothing to stop the Holocaust. Therefore, atheists suck. <--- See how lame that is?

"What about the people like you who decide to act like hesitant, indecisive idiots who love to spectate, then criticize the people who debate without actually knowing that they themselves are debating on the issue when they finally come through and make such ridiculous, pig-headed statements such as yours."

You claim that I am hesitant and indecisive. Hmm. One group is claiming that the universe was created by an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful entity. Another group is claiming that the universe was NOT created by an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful entity. Neither group knows enough about the universe to make either claim, and yet there you are, making the claim. You see? You consider yourself a logical person who makes decisions based on facts, but then you make a decision based on nothing more than your bias against religion. It's funny, because you actually take a firm stance against something you have absolutely no idea about. And yet I am somehow pig-headed and indecisive? I have made a decision. My decision is not to be a part of it. If you think that's cowardly, so be it. Then you can continue making fun of people on the net and hurting people's feelings who you don't even know and might have been good friends with if you did.

And you might be tempted to reply back with any number of quotes from either Sagan or Russell or Hitchens or Dawkins or Meyers or any loud-mouthed atheist whose main mission in life was to tell other people that they're ignorant. You might reply back with, "Oh, then that means that you cannot deny that there's a purple unicorn on Venus because you just don't know." <--- That's a fantastic thing that atheists are sure to quip because they bring their personal opinions about religion into the mix. You see, a hardocre atheist classifies God as being in the same list as leprechauns and unicorns, then he makes the false analogy that I if I am "on the fence" about God, then I must also "be on the fence" about unicorns and leprechauns.

You might be thinking that I am apologetic towards religion, but that's where you would be wrong as well. I am completely indifferent. I don't join groups that make it their mission to tell other people that they're wrong. I'm not a Christian, nor am I a Bright (in case you didn't know, stuck-up atheists actually chose the term bright to describe themselves and started a movement out of it).

So, in conclusion, Anorexorcist, and this will probably be the last post I make to you on this issue (as I am usually inclined to tell people to only talk about games on N4G for the sake of not hurting each other's feelings), I am PROUD to be indifferent and outside of this debate. I am proud not to spend more than 5 minutes of my life even thinking about this incessant, endless debate that will continue for a lot longer than either you or I will be alive.

[kaveti6616]

I want to apologize. I made a stupid generalization of atheists at the top of my previous post. I shouldn't have said that because I don't know every atheist but I have plenty of atheist friends and most of them are as indifferent about the whole thing as I am, so I can't put them in that category.

Truth is. I know Christians that annoy the hell out of me by always talking about their religion. At the same time, I know atheists that annoy the hell out of me by always talking about how bad religion is.

I hope you can see where I'm coming from. I don't disrespect any idea. I only feel annoyed at people who persist in continuing arguments that they know will accomplish little to nothing.

[SpinalRemains138]

where they are comming from. The world today is extremely violent. I do however feel that they aren't going after the proper sources. Perhaps targeting gun manufacturers and inner city gangs would be a more applicable tactic than going after video games. Call me crazy, but if a kid is playing video games........he cannot be out robbing and shooting people.

My goodness. Imagine a world with only Mario and Nintendo games? Shoot me next!

[ASSASSYN 36o]

The world is extremely violent! The dark ages was extremely violent! Today the world is disney land in comparison.

[DaTruth]

Republican Christians like guns! God forbid they should give up anything for the cause!

[bigboss911]

some idiot group giving us normal Christians a bad name. Im a Baptist and i play Mw2 all the time. Its only evil if it consumes you, and you have no time for God. As Christians you are to block out the world, not block it for non believers, who would in turn not give you the time of day....fail. I feel some churches dont even read the Bible anymore :/ And i always find it funny that we are put down for speaking our mind, but non believers get to spew trash talk like some of you above are saying. hypocrites

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I have absolutely not time for any god.

[FragMnTagM]

Believe what you will, but at least keep an open mind once science once and for all proves religion is phony. As of right now, not all of the pieces are there for evolution, but it will be someday. I am quite happy knowing I will die some day and that will be the end, no heaven, no hell. I don't need to believe in an afterlife. As long as I lead a good life, and am nice to people, that is all I need.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

What do you mean not all the pieces are there for evolution?

[kaveti6616]

Not all organisms fossilize. Hundreds of millions of years ago, some organisms lived and died off in regions that contained ideal components necessary for fossilization.

There were probably a great many types of organisms that failed to fossilize and that is why we have missing links currently. There are aboral biases and taxonomic biases and other kinds of biases. For example, we often find fossils of organisms from the recent area. We always find way more fossils of organisms that lived 1 million years ago than 100 million years ago.

In short, the map of evolution will never be fully complete. But scientists are certain that eventually we will have so much of it covered that we will be able to see the larger picture anyway. If you completed 70 percent of a traditional puzzle, you would pretty much be able to tell what the picture was, even if you were missing a good chunk of it.

[Parapraxis]

Fossils are actually extremely rare. Especially when considering about 99% of life that has ever lived on the planet is no more.

There have been some fantastic developments recently in the understanding of our evolution. Ardi is one monumental fossil that has greatly helped scientists fill in a few small gaps. And the gaps ARE small. There is absolutely overwhelming evidence for evolution, and ours can be traced back millions of years.
Nova has released a 3=-part series called "Becoming Human" on the subject which was fantastic:
Highly recommended.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nov...

[ASSASSYN 36o]

This all from the religion that brought the world Saint Nicholas (AKA: Santa Claus) The Saint of Prostitutes.

[DaTruth]

99% of these fossils are indistinguishable from regular rocks; Till they begin chipping away at them with the same tools they make sculptures with. The other 1% is cloud spotting!

The only reason it gets any traction is that 99% of the world believes they are actual bones and not rocks!

What a coincidence; All the fossils that could prove evolution have yet to be found!

[gokuss122002]

The people that you are referring to are not Christians; they are just masquerading as Christians. In essence they are framing Christians. Also if you don't think the media (movies, video games, tv etc.) isn't greatly as well as purposefully contributing to the desensitization and encouragement of violence, then I can only conclude two things: that either A)you are just blind physically as well as mentally... and/or B) you see that the emperor isn't wearing any pants but purposely denies it to avoid being cast into an undesired category such as the "Crazy Christians". Whether you like it or not this entire world (including the media) is being controlled by the DEVIL.

[Parapraxis]

"Whether you like it or not this entire world (including the media) is being controlled by the DEVIL. "
Oh yeah, you are nothing like these nutjobs.
/sarc

[gokuss122002]

exactly what makes me a "nutjob"?

[Parapraxis]

Claiming such nonsense as the "devil" is controlling the media and anything bad in the world. Of course your "god" is doing everything good in the world right?

I mean that's how you guys like to rationalize it.
It could just be that things just happen. Yet you find it reasonable to think that there is a driving supernatural force behind everything.
Good things happen to bad people, and vice versa, it's just life.
Do animals also get controlled by supernatural powers, or are they just being natural animals? Whens the last time you saw an animal do something that wasn't within reason?

It's so illogical it hurts. The world is not black and white, there is plenty of grey. And there is in my opinion (and also the opinion of any legit science journal) nothing supernatural that has ever been proved, ever. Not once. And no, your collection of theological stories, no matter how adored by the masses, is in no way "proof" that there is supernatural.

Supernatural - http://www.merriam-webster....
Of course there are things out there that are not fully understood and not so easily verifiable, such as quantum physics or the source of gravity. But in general when people use the word "supernatural" they are referring to that which is mystic, and magical. Ghosts, deities, fairies, dragons, and unicorns. You know, those things which cannot be proved NOT to exist, but we are almost certain do not.

[kaveti6616]

While I agree with you Parapraxis, you also need to reflect upon the question of "What does it mean for something to be natural or supernatural?" If your response is, "A supernatural thing cannot be explained by the laws of the universe" then I feel you're also being illogical.

Understanding how something works doesn't make it less special. Some people believe that it is possible for the natural to be divine. Thus, your claim that there is no evidence of the supernatural is bypassed by the fact that there is plenty of evidence of the NATURAL, and therefore (for some), divinity.

The melodramatic nature of religions are also a big turn-off for people.

You might say that there is no such thing as the supernatural because people have, over time, tried to differentiate what is natural from what is supernatural. Which never made sense to me. To me, if a higher entity exists in the universe, then it would be as much a natural part of the universe as the universe is.

[DaTruth]

The chances of the Universe, the Earth and Mankind existing by accident with no help from an Omnipotent being is the equivalent of winning the lottery 150,000,000 times in a row!

Do you know anyone who's won it even twice in a row!

[Shendow]

Can't handle the true of life? The way I see it is this, if we had to send a spy to stop a person from nuking us and others. I think the cost of some peoples life wouldn't matter Vs the hole USA.

Dante....no..Wait for them to see God Of War 3 ^-^ build to use the full power of the PS3 and you get to hear even the skin rip.

[SpinalRemains138]

First off, why are you yelling? Secondly; I said the world today is extremely violent. To say that the Dark ages was far more violent has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. (Unless of course the same group of Christians were trying to outlaw MW2 after the Bubonic Plague.) You somehow decided to bring that in to argue with me perhaps. I don't know why you bring that up. The world is violent. That is a fact. I understand that it always has been. It's part of the human condition. We are violent. Look at the way you responded violently lol. You play too much MW2!

[gokuss122002]

First off, the world hasn't been violent from the beginning; violence came with murder, which was initiated by Kane (I assume you didn't mean "always" literally but I still had to address it L.O.L). Secondly, as with Kane, this violence is due to the influence of the Devil. So taking that into consideration, violence isn't a part of the "human condition"; it is actually a part of the 'conditioning of humans' *please refer to my previous post*. But yes 'we' (representing the world as a whole) are violent. 'we' are very violent, but this is only due to 'US' consciously and/or unconsciously adhering to the direct and/or indirect influence of the Devil/Satan (as in the instance Kane ... Adam and Eve..), and not being obedient to God.

So that there is no confusion, when I say God (capital g) I'm referring to the one true God; the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and everything within them (excluding man made things such as guns). Also in terms "Christians", if you (you in general) don't fully adhere to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ (God), you are not a Christian. You (still in general) are just someone 'claiming' to be a Christian; as in (but not limited to)the case of the constantly referred to (out of ignorance) crusades.

[Parapraxis]

Wow...you state this rubbish like it's a fact gokuss122002.
Let me ask you one thing... whens the last time you opened a science book and truly understood Evolution or the Big Bang?
I'm guessing, never.

[Lavalamp]

I go from a debate over RPGs to this? Am I still on the News 4 Gamers site?

[gokuss122002]

Big bang? you talking about the theory that basically says everything came from nothing (you're not serious are you?). Evolution? the theory that is not only support of the 'nothing to everything' ideology, but also says that humans used to be fish, and lizards, etc; and after a shifting of various animal shapes, we became humans LOL. Tell me this "Einstein" (or should I say "Darwin"), how did the transition occur? Did the reptile one day lay an egg, and out came a mammal? Exactly what part of my statement wasn't fact? So Mr. educated, explain to me how something that is contained entirely of inorganic material, and turn it into something that is entirely consists of organic material? So I suppose the final question would be when was the last time "you"... understood these ... theories. I've noticed it is generally the people who think that they are so smart, who are the one who turn out to be so foolishly ignorant.

[Pandamobile]

Lol, Gokuss... You actually believe those ancient fairytales? Open your fricken eyes, man. This is the 21st century you're living in.

After reading your comment, it's clear that you have absolutely no idea what evolution really consists of.

And what are you doing on the internet, don't you have a witch burning ceremony or something to be at?

[gokuss122002]

well since you claim I'm mistaken, then why don't you explain it to me? And I don't want to hear that this isn't the time or place cop out...

*edit* @below
regardless of what words you try to use: a "theory" is just a belief, plain and simple, and can not be concluded as "fact".

I challenge anyone (particularly those trying to discredit me) to give me bubbles, so that I may slay those that oppose truth (LOL)!!!

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Religions will continue to insist that it is right despite contrary evidence, science will admit it was wrong and seek a new explanation based upon the facts.

And an exclamation mark means an outcry of protest. Not yelling. If you hear something when you see words you need to seek professional help.

And gokuss122002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

And you obviously have no idea what the word theory means. It identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class. It tries to bring about corrections from what is not known or understood so we can understand.

And spinal remains what I said is what I said you are reading way too far into it. I didn't mean to scare you. And I am not looking to argue with you. CALM DOWN! (Do you hear yelling?) LOL!

[Lavalamp]

Keep it up Panda! He's already out of Bubbles!

[DaTruth]

You know the Big Bang theory is far from proven, right? Amazing how it is okay for you to have faith in unproven things! The Bible actually has real facts and is the historical and geographical standard of 5000 yrs of human and civilization's development!

When people go looking for ancient cities and towns, they consult the Bible first! Many towns and cities and most of human past was found do to researching the Bible. Many characters in the Bible are known to have existed, such as Ceaser, Nebuchadnezzer, Xerxes, Cyrus, every king of Israel, Pharoah of Egypt, Cleopatchra, Jesus and this list really goes into the hundreds! Israel as a ancient country existed as fact and could only exist by way of a God, there is no possible way they could have conquered all civilizations in the Ancient Middle East with 70,000 slaves against fully armed massive armies! You would have to disregard all literature and history of the world to disregard the Bible as a fake book. I could actually write all night on factual evidence of the Bible.

They actually found a giant ark on a mountain!!! Seriously!

Your Big Bang Theory pales in comparison as far as factual evidence goes!

[Pandamobile]

You people are fricking retarded. Do you know what a scientific theory really is?

Everything in science is theories. GRAVITY IS A THEORY. Are you willing to say that gravity is false becuase it is 'only a theory'?

The theory of evolution is just as credible as the theory of gravity. Just look at micro-organisms. Viruses are CONSTANTLY evolving to become immune to our vaccines. Evolution is the result of mutation through adaptation.

Natural selection is what drives evolution. It's kill or be killed. Animals, over time will gain abilities to fend off predetors.

To dismiss all this, in this day and age; is just plain and simple ignorance.

[Esena]

Animals will gain abilities? What is this an RPG or something? Animals will not gain abilities...micro-evolution is logical, but macro-evolution is not. When a virus forms new strains to counter our treatment, it is not changing into an elephant or a whale, it is simply sticking to its makeup. The stronger portions stick around and ultimately create something that the current treatment won't treat. That makes sense...

Ignorance? It seems like you are the one who is ignorant pal. Have you read the Bible? Have you actually studied it...or are you basing your claims off of what you've heard people say about it. Pick up the bible with humility and read it...its not like you have a god that'll get mad at you if you do so...

In your atheistic universe...a consistent atheist is a completely silent one...

[Pandamobile]

I stopped reading fairy tales when I was about 6 or 7 and realized that I couldn't believe in impossible beings like the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and God.

[Esena]

And I stopped believing that animals gain abilities when I put down my PS3 controller. Stop making claims about the veracity of the bible when you know nothing of it.

You sound quite foolish.

[redDevil87]

Yes because everyone listens to what christian groups say /s

I bet a couple of them have prestiged anyway

[Pandamobile]

Stupid Christians...

[TheBand1t]

I don't have a problem with religion, I have a problem with religious zealots.

[kaveti6616]

Nice generalization there, Panda. Stupid people more like.

[Pandamobile]

"Christian Group Seeks to Ban Modern Warfare 2"

[kaveti6616]

Yeah, your statement can be interpreted as referring to all Christians, whereas only a minority of Christians tend to piss everyone off most of the time.

[edwineverready]

Mw3 is almost out already.

[nygamer28]

loving the artical pic "BETTER THAN PLATINUM!!!"

[karan8624]

Imagine a game they approved

No respawn, you just go straight to hell

[TheBand1t]

Dante's Inferno?

[Parapraxis]

...but according to them didn't jesus respawn? lol.

[Lavalamp]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[gokuss122002]

that parapraxis is an ex"christian" who is now bitter. (You weren't an unfortunate alter boy, were you?)

[ZombieAutopsy]

Christians to the LIONS!!!

[CynicalVision]

Religion - Trying to impose it's will on the people for thousands of years.

[KillerPwned]

Your kidding me right they seriously think they could over come a huge million dollar company to ban this. Then the amount of people that would stand against them.

Just read the article....

Wow there the ones that need to be locked up in a physc ward accuseing someone of being a witch? SERIOUSLY!

[tplarkin7]

This tiny group in Maine does not speak for all Christians.

[duplissi]

hmm, its interesting how someone can disagree with you....

[G4drake]

hey look, its the same group who still got no LIFE!.

[menoyou]

In after cry baby atheist teens.

[ZombieAutopsy]

lol let me guess a christian

[Anorexorcist]

Correction: A delusional christian who is only smart enough to respond with single-line comments.

LOL, he says "cry baby atheist teens" (which I am not a cry baby nor a teen) in a disparaging way, like if he/she is smarter.

Well in any event, a "cry baby atheist teen" who can actually create a substantial, logical comment is better than a delusional christian adult who only has the brain capacity to create a simple, irrelevant 10 syllable comment.

So menoyou, you basically just couldn't resist the temptation to make yourself look stupid with that comment.

[duplissi]

this pisses me of....

i know of people who are in this group (i live in southern maine) and im astonished that they would stoop to such fanatical levels, moreover it pisses me off that people are going to read this and paint christians as a whole as intolerant dumb fu*ks simply because of a few over the top fanatics.....

ironically, one of the things that jesus preached in the bible is free will- you have the right to choose what you do or believe you just have to live with the consequences.

[Esena]

Where did Jesus preach that? Just curious...

[clarkjudo]

There is justified violence then there is unjustified or non-since violence.
Personally, I am rather disappointed in the the developer in putting “No Russian” in the game. I think this was just for shock value. And it really made no since otherwise.
Why would an American agent or other be part of such non-since? Why not be the getaway truck driver? Who takes part in the defending of the group as they get closer to the get away truck. That would make more since.

[danielle007]

I hate any kind of religious extremists. I believe in God, but I think he's pretty chill, and has better things to do than worry if kids today are playing MW2.

[Mr Marbles]

are pretty screwed up. you do realize with or without religion man would still be doing the same things to one another. Religion is just a tool that many people throughout history have used to oppress, kill, or rule others, the desire of men to do so would be there irregardless.

Christianity has produced far more good than evil in its existance, and that includes the crusades and Catholicism. The number of homeless being sheltered and hungry being fed around the world by Christians and because of Christian beliefs is astounding.

United States is the most generous nation on earth, and most of the people who give in this country are God fearing Christians. Studies have proved that conservatives give more than godless liberals who just pretend to care about the poor.

So lets be careful not to generalize too much here folks, there are a lot of crazy people out there who believe in God and many who do not, and that is not cuz religion is messed up, its because human nature is messed up. I cant speak for other faiths, but nothing in the Christian philosophy is violent or judging, not our fault some folks pervert the faith.

[duplissi]

precisely.

[Jeff257]

Very well said. I am a Christian and a Gamer myself. I do get so sick thugh of hearing so many groups attack a hobby that I have. We all have free will to do what we want good or bad and playing games is not a bad thing. I enjoy MW2, God Of War and many games that some so called "Christians" would frown upon but honestly a lot of them are more out to promote themselves than the message Jesus has for us. He taught us to love someone else as much as we would ourselves and even accepted those who Society looked down upon during his time. Anyway Im glad that this group wont have as much traction to ban this game or other games like it because Im an adult and can make my own decisions about what I do. But it does sadden me that some people here would classify all Christians as the same. Anyway I may get some disagress and thats ok but please try to remember that not all of us are unweilding hate mongering people.

[hulud86]

I play lots of violent video games but i was very disturbed when playing "no russia" level of MW2. I can understand both view points. These people just need to realize there is no stoping this stuff. Voilence, sex, drugs, ect will always be used in entertainment, so the best they can do is ingore it and live life without.

[N4BmpS]

What's wrong with some people, yeah let's get rid of everything that has violence in it, Oh wait that would include the Bible too huh? Come on Christians in Maine get a life. Violence is everywhere. Play the game. Most likely the folks in that Group are all fake. You don't Judge anyone for playing a game or otherwise.

[Fade_Walker]

If you don’t like it then don’t play it!

[Ebrightblade]

...quite possibly the most annoying thing I've ever seen. Can't we all just get along? ;P One group of assholes is trying to do something that obviously isn't going to work, against a bunch of people who couldn't care less what spews from their mouth, and we somehow end up with the hell-bound non-believers arguing over the validity of religion against narrow-minded true believers...both sides are going to believe whatever they want. Period. You can't convince a true Christian that what they take all of their information from is a man-written bunch of hooey anymore than you can convince one of the non-religious bastards that they were created from anything greater than a universal fart. Have none of you ever watched Dennis Leary? Sometimes you just need told to SHUT THE F*** UP!

[Omega Zues]

and I will never try to push my religion on to others or judge some one.

All that I ask for is that every one has a good holiday break ^ - ^

[Lavalamp]

Bubbles for the sanity and for showing respect. And I wish you a good holiday as well.

[Esena]

A proud Christian who doesn't share the gospel? I would say you aren't very proud at all then...

Maybe I misinterpreted your word "push", but as a believer you ought to not only be a disciple of Jesus, but be making disciples as well. And that means you need to get in "arguments" sometimes. :)

[FwanK]

But but but...

The World is Flat

[HemiHalo]

I'm a Christian and yet I also believe in evolution. But how can this be? The Bible only says that God created the universe (or multiverse :)) it doesn't say how. Science and Christianity are NOT contradictory. There are of course ignorant groups that say the world is 6000 years old. Also, you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God using science, he exists outside of everything we know. He is omnipresent and omnipotent, we cannot fully understand 'him'.

Christianity is based on one thing: love (think of all the things love includes). If you claim to follow Christ and do not love, then you are a liar/hypocrite and aren't a Christian. So you can't say an entire religion is bogus if there are a couple of bad apples. We are not supposed to force our beliefs upon others, instead we are supposed to present them and be a good example. This seems to rarely happen nowadays, unfortunately.

So I think I've laid to rest the two main issues people have with Christianity... There are civilized, critically thinking Christians out there... We are not all dumb! ha... There is a lot to Christianity that is misunderstood by non-believers, but that is because Christians do a bad job representing. If you have anything to say, please do, but be respectful.

[Killman]

You know, they seem to hate violence in video games but Passion of the Christ was perfectly fine??? I know one's a movie but still. I bet that if it was good 'ol Jebus slaughtering those Russians and saying "Thou" the whole time, they would have been bowing to game.

I hate all religions but Christians are so delusional and determined to convert this planet into a giant fairytale..........

[Rev Jesse Custer]

How about World Peace? Or feeding one of the 16000 children who die from starvation every day? This is a frivolous, damn near criminal waste of time.

[ExposingLames]

God forbid these "Christians" stick to the real and important issues, especially in the times

[koehler83]

They should try moving somewhere a little more accommodating toward radical religion-based regimes. Maybe South America.

[Camb00]

Just because you dont like it doesent mean you need to spoil it for others. TBH we really need to start phasing religion out its starting to effect everything nowadays it ridiculous

[Fragger2k8]

The world would be such a better place without all this retarded religious crap.. Those idiots think they're above everyone and everything.

Religious freaks are completely ignorant. Things like this are more than enough proof to show that. How can you people be so damn stupid?

I say instead of whining about some game you bought for your kids to play, that you never even bothered to check the rating of, you should go into your bedroom, kneel beside it, and pray for your god to make all the copies disappear. When that doesn't work you should then head to your nearest mental hospital, because you are a moron and need help.

[kraze07]

Screw religion. Everyone should have the right to believe in whatever they want to believe in, but when you start trying to force your ideas or way of life on someone else it crosses the line.

[Meryl]

christians should not froce their opinions on anyone, however it is their responsibility to se a good example, that way people will see they are different, and then people will decide for themselves if they want to believe in god.
unfortunately there are lots of corrupt christians, which make the rest of them look really bad, but i must admit i met some really nice christians from other countries who practically sold everything they had just to help out people who were worse off than them, now if that is not good i don't know what is.
i don't see why they should really tell the average person what to do as we do not all attend church, now if we did then it would be different.

[psycho360]

How about stopping the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where was this group when when USA trained 100s and 1000s of soldiers to oust Russia out of afgan and then left them out in the lurch so that after years of hardcore killings they have nothing to do but go rougue against their own people?

[RedDragan]

They cry about MW2, but they support the crusade against Islam that is happening right now in Iraq and Afghanistan and soon to continue against Iran.

I athiest and I have always seen devout Christians as the most racist group that have ever existed.

Devout Christians will ironically all go to their hell, if it existed.

[pustulio]

They are the biggest racist group ever the KKK is just a kids game compared with cristhians

Also i got friends who hate on black people which for me is disgusting and i tell them not to say that, that is not right, but with cristhians you cant argue whit them they can bring up a good statement god this, god that, god everything.... ¬_¬ its better to leave them in their closed minds and let them have retared lapses like this one

[Shendow]

How cute someone disagree with me lol.

[AngryTypingGuy]

They seek to ban MW2...now? They're a day late and a dollar short aren't they? Wouldn't it be easier to ban something before millions of people own it? Here's a better idea: tell parents to do their job and teach their children right from wrong, and fantasy from reality. And this is coming from the father of a little girl.

I believe in protecting children from things they shouldn't see in media and entertainment at a young age, but people have to realize that it's ok for some forms of entertainment to be aimed at adults. It's not ok to censor everything because a kid might happen to see it. It should be expected that parents do their job.

[pustulio]

The bible calls everyone to kill thousands and thousands of people like the Homosexual, people who don't believe in god, and all who make a sin should be killed also if you work in sunday you should be killed

so your fukin piece of sh!t retared book is more violent and repulsive than this awesome game so fuk this guys and their stupid god he gives me blowjobs and sucks my balls every day damn i hate religion i will burn 1000 bibles and piss on them before i burn one MW2 copy

yes, i'm super mad, really mad

[AngryTypingGuy]

Say what you want, but fanatical Christians just try to have things banned, while fanatical Muslims blow up buildings, buses, etc., because they're a bunch of savages. Colin Quinn had a hilarious quote about fanatical Muslims: "Why should we let a few million bad apples spoil the whole bunch?" LOL, I love humor that's not politically correct!

[Quadrix]

What a coincidence! I'm seeking to ban religion.