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PS3 OS memory footprint slashed

PSUni: One of PS3's original memory weaknesses was its large Operating System memory footprint, but it has once again been slashed. The console originally had an OS footprint of around 120MB's spread accross both the XDR and DDR Ram, which was soon reduced to 96MB (64MB on XDR and 32MB on DDR).

Compared to the Xbox 360's total 32MBs used for its OS, the PS3's was incredibly bloated.

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Pennywise3138d ago

Good, hopefully this leads to faster XMB while in game.

techie3138d ago

XMB using less memory equals a faster XMB? Huh?

Pennywise3138d ago

Are you being sarcastic, Deep?

If it uses less memory... It is less bulky... less to load... and give the opportunity to allocate the memory spared to load XMB while in games faster. How does that not make sense? It even give us the chance to possibly have a browser in game or a chat system running in the background without slow down. I know its not much size, but with 512MB of ram 46MB spared is huge.

techie3138d ago

Yes that makes sense, but for those extra features to be included accross all games - their memory would have to be part of the OS memory footprint, otherwise they would only be optional feature for the developer - and I'd expect most would want to use the memory to keep their engine's framerate up.

Pennywise3138d ago

I imagine they would if Sony allowed the game makers to use the extra memory. I think they will keep some for cross chat - we all know its coming.

So if they do give the devs more memory, it will be used for steady frame rates and maybe better graphics, less pop ups and sorts.

Only time will tell, but them shrinking the footprint is pretty promising.

techie3138d ago

The whole point of reducing the memory footprint is so they give it back to developers.Just because the memory footprint used to be 100mb didn't mean the OS was actually using it.

chrisnick3138d ago

figures...ms makes better software and sony makes better hardware....makes perfect sense actually, each company excelling in their area of expertise

Foliage3138d ago

Um, Microsoft are known for making some of the worst software ever released. Have you ever heard of Windows? More specifically Windows Vista?

Oh no... I used the V word. You have to love the new ads: "Windows 7, it was my idea!". They are already shifting the blame.

Not to mention, the XMB is a million times better than the 360s dashboard mess. Navigating the dashboard with the d-pad is another mess on to itself. The XMB is clean and smooth, you always know exactly where everything is, because it is intuitive. Something Microsoft has never been good at.

dirthurts3138d ago

And I run them all. Windows, os, linux, etc. I repair computers and I can tell that windows is the most complete, relevant and compatible os around.
When a computer is built properly, it's also amazingly reliable.

It's people who fudge it up, not MS.
Even Vista is very good if your computer is up to snuff.

IdleLeeSiuLung3138d ago

Sounds like some company didn't do their homework and released half @ssed software. How the hell do you use a quarter of the available memory for your OS? When you reduce software from 120MB to less than 50MB, a 60% reduction and add features it is clear that you were extremely wasteful.

It is amazing to me that that is even an acceptable solution.

Arnon3138d ago (Edited 3138d ago )

"More specifically Windows Vista?"

Have you ever actually used Windows Vista past Service Pack 2? It's surprisingly stable and works just fine. If Microsoft makes terrible software, then why do they still dominate 88.7% of the market share?

"Not to mention, the XMB is a million times better than the 360s dashboard mess. Navigating the dashboard with the d-pad is another mess on to itself. The XMB is clean and smooth, you always know exactly where everything is, because it is intuitive. Something Microsoft has never been good at."

Your entire comment just sounds absolutely nuts. Why would you even use the D-Pad to navigate the dashboard when the analog stick works just fine? Hell, you hardly have to tap it to move between the menus. Also, how is the dashboard not intuitive? I mean, if you cant find your away around in an OS that basically babies you, then that just sounds like a personal problem.

Edit @ Perkel

I guarantee you that the 88.7% marketshare is not comprised of all gamers. Most big businesses use Windows due to it's business networking system and overall performance. Sorry, but the whole "Windows will be dead in 10 years" has been a statement used for quite a while, and it's marketshare, while lower this year, still retains it's overall lead.

Perkel3138d ago

@ Arnon

because you can't play many games on mac os and apple don't give their system for any pc and linus wasn't friendly to 2005.

If you could play games on any system win for home would be dead in ten years.

GrandTheftZamboni3138d ago

It's funny how people were running back from Vista to XP. I had it with Windows XP because like all previous Windows versions it gradually slows down and after couple of years it takes forever to boot up. Just try starting Installed Programs or whatever it was called. It takes forever just to show you what you have installed. In addition whatever resources you have left, a big chunk is used for Antivirus, Firewall and other security software that is a must if you ever do things like online shopping etc. After using only Ubuntu for more than two years, I can say that these problems don't exist in Linux, no performance degradation at all. MS is good in pushing software not making it.

whoelse3138d ago

The XMB is certainly a lot faster during gameplay since 2.40.

chrisnick3138d ago

one's predominantly a software company an one's a hardware company.So it makes sense that ms would know how to make their footprint small while sony knew how to make the ps3 an all around beast of a system. each one suffers(however slightly) by not having the prowess of the other. IT IS A FACT. if it wasn't, this article wouldn't exist.

by the way, windows 7 is just a streamlined vista with a bunch of stolen linux functions...the theft sucks but it doesn't mean it doesn't work well.

badz1493138d ago

"Sounds like some company didn't do their homework and released half @ssed software. How the hell do you use a quarter of the available memory for your OS? When you reduce software from 120MB to less than 50MB, a 60% reduction and add features it is clear that you were extremely wasteful."

you are practically talking about almost every software maker out there! looked like you're trying to bash sony but what do you call the Service Packs for windows? or game patches? or you are gonna pretend those things don't exist?

Sony is improving the system with the same set of hardware by firmware updates time after time and most of the time, this prevent people from exploiting the older firmware by forcing you to update if you wanna go online which in a way, works great for them so far! yet here, you're complaining about it and guess what, amazing games like MGS4, GT5P, Uncharted series, Heavenly Sword, Resistance series, R&C series, KZ2 etc all run great on the PS3 the way it was! say what now?

I think I can do like what you do too. remember Vista? the OS that have initial requirement higher than the one for running half life 2! why the hell should I upgrade most of my hardware just to boot the OS and even with the "Vista Ready" sticker, my PC have problems running Vista?? why the hell did Vista don't support drivers for many "existing" hardware at launch?? lazy? wasteful?

the difference between the case of XMB and Vista was the improvement for XMB was all on Sony (no need to buy anything) but for vista, it was all on consumers (hardware upgrades!)

ProblemSolver3138d ago

@chrisnick
"... by the way, windows 7 is just a streamlined vista with a bunch of stolen
linux functions...the theft sucks but it doesn't mean it doesn't work well"

What funcions? Can you name some of those functions they have stolen from Linux?

SilentNegotiator3138d ago (Edited 3138d ago )

This powerful beast just got more powerful, able to use more memory towards its games.

Sweet.

uie4rhig3137d ago

I'm Windows 7 and the Blue Screen of Death was my idea..
@Arnon:
Microsoft has that market share because Windows was (note: was, not is) the best OS around back then.. however, they used to have something like 98% marketshare, look at how much is has decreased. Mac is gaining in on Windows, and linux (altho slowly) is also gaining. Hell Microsoft recently saw Linux as a threat while Mac has been a threat for a while. these days more and more people realise a mac exists and i wudn't be surprised if mac has a 15% market share in a few years.
ontopc:
i'm confused as to why everyone cares how much memory each OS uses. its a concern for devs, not end users. you will get your features and you will keep your features..

Arnon3137d ago

It went down by a whole 10% in 20 years. Sorry, but the other OS's out there are not anywhere near Windows in terms of market share.

uie4rhig3134d ago

first off, apple is being weird and not letting anyone but themselves build their hardware.. second, microsoft is being ga y with their big pockets and paying hardware developers to not put anything besides their products on their hardware, only since the last few years companies like Dell and HP have decided to allow Linux (namely Ubuntu) as an option! and its only in these past years that Linux has had gotten a bigger market share, namely thanks to Ubuntu..

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uzair213138d ago

Will this make the ps3 any faster?

techie3138d ago

Developers will have more memory to play with.

Pennywise3138d ago (Edited 3138d ago )

:P Maybe one day the PS3 will be as good as the 360...

/S

mrv3213138d ago

Ah... if you'd read the article it went on to say that this allows sony more room to improve.

But otherwise I agree, PS3 developers really need more memory look as Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain for example... oh wait bad example.

Apocalypse Shadow3138d ago

your name isn't SARCASM.

hey sarcasm?where you at?penny's stealing your thunder.and doing a good job at it.

LOL!

raztad3138d ago

Is the xbox memory footprint some sort of new benchmark?

Considering all the features the PS3 has besides gaming I think 50mb is pretty good. 70mb saved for more in-game content/better textures is a lot. I would love to see an improved music player/browser and faster in-game xmb though.

DaTruth3138d ago

MS forces devs to implement half their features in game for them with a mandatory feature list so the OS overhead is drastically reduced. Sony doesn't strong arm devs with a feature list, so they reserved the memory to add features through their OS!

Amazing how much better PS3 exclusive games look and perform even with this handicap! The wonders of 3.5 Ghz XDR ram!

Sarcasm3138d ago

:P Maybe one day the PS3 will be as good as the 360...

/P

:D

badz1493138d ago

@Da Truth,

now that PS3 games has trophies, at least we know that Sony is also mandating the devs with something and with the distinctive architecture of the Cell+RSX, that can also be considered as another thing Sony is kinda forcing the devs to work things out of their comfort zone to gain desired quality level and games like Uncharted 2 and KZ2 (although 1st party) are the great example of what you can achieve.

badz1493138d ago (Edited 3138d ago )

sorry, browser problem

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KilZoneGeneralStrife3138d ago

and it gets custom music across the board.though,I wonder if the PS3's OS or a microsoft patent that stops Sony from giving us that?well,Im super happy GT5 does have custom soundtrack,even though GT always has awesome music. But,congrats Sony,lowered the memory footprint while giving us more options like dynamic backgrounds and faster response times

evrfighter3138d ago

Well M$ doesn't have 90+ percent of OS marketshare for nothing.

Hate them as much as you want. But when it comes to operating systems. They are the untouchables.

I'm sure if Sony wanted to come out with an OS. They would be looking up at M$ and not Apple.

raztad3138d ago

@evrfigh

You CANT be serious about MS being good at OS. MS has produced one after another crappy/crash prone OS. VISTA rings a bell? and most of MS "innovations" come from others, like the amazing MacOSX UI or the solid infrastructure underneath UNIx-like systems.

I cant say anything about the new OS, I would like to have a free copy of it, because my laptop came with that huge and bloated amount of crap called Vista.

Baka-akaB3138d ago

Might want to rephrase that ...

They are good at acting as the software mob . They abused laws and illegal means to push their software down retailers and PC manufacturers , wich in turn forced them down upon dev studios and your average user .

Think i'm bsing and exagerating ? then what about those Acer or whatever laptops with vista pre-installed and tied to the hardware , so it wouldnt boot if you install another os or format your drive ? With the only option then for non tech savy folks to either just use vista as told , or to rely on tech guys like myself and a few around here ?

Hell even their best feature so far , Direct X is poisoneous at best .
Just imagine the years lost in 3d gaming developpement while microsoft was busy imposing direct x as a standard ... and the time it took for it to catch up to the OpenGL API . Todays standard in pc gaming (and indirectly consoles) might then have been achieved years ago ...

beardpapa3138d ago (Edited 3138d ago )

Well the article says the PS3 os is now 50 mb shared across despite having many new features. Not bad I guess. There's Playstation Life thing, Home thing, that picture gallery viewer thing, printer support, and all this other stuff I don't use. I think I only use the PSN once in a while when a good demo is up, but hey animated dynamic themes are nice.

mrv3213138d ago

I rarely use home or the picture viewer but I ALLWAYS use in-game XMB... a added feature.

Tony240ZT3138d ago

Those services aren't loaded into memory at all times, only when you load them.

beardpapa3138d ago

Yea they load up a lot of features which are nice, but I suppose it's more catered to the home-media-centric crowd. I haven't loaded up Home for a long time. I see no point. It would be better if it was more integrated but to do so would've been taxing. Maybe if they made it more simplified it would've been more integrated into the system as a whole and robust.

I do use the XMB a lot though, more so to check what trophies I need to get and to message people while in a game. I find myself checking my trophies while playing a game more often than i did check my gamerscore. I think part of the reason was that I really wanted those gold and platinum trophies, while increasing my gamerscore wasn't that big a deal since I can just rent a bunch of games and increase it little by little.

Still, like I said before, those added media/social networking features on the PS3 os is great and all, but I don't find a point in using them. Dynamic themes + XMB is all I really need.

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