It seems like even upscaling is subject to qualitative differences, the Xbox 360 is clearly cleaning up images wherein the Playstation 3 seems to be blurring out the jagged edges.
360 upscaling works a lot better it makes the images look far better whereas the PS3's one just blurs everything making it look like you need glasses.
you are totally right. the 360 do a pretty good job upscaling the old xbox games.
all 3 of the original games it can play.
It's actually 327 by my count. I think that's pretty decent. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/g...
And that's very, very logical to explain also. The 360 has Ana, a special upscale chip that does horizontal and vertical upscaling, with much quality, more then most upscalers can do. The PS3 does software upscaling and can only do horizontal or vertical. Not both at the same time. Plus it does the job very poorly also. All upscaling I've seen, gets blurry and the thing they do is make the screen squeezed together, it makes all the characters etc. look tiny and the wideness of the screens are not balanced anymore. PS3 does a really, really poor job if you compare it to the 360. Fact. Proven. Pictures all around. I bet Sony fanboys below are going to scream and shout because of this post, but if you can give facts and prove me wrong write. If you only can say: "I hate you xbot", then I see that as confirmation of my post. Thanks in advance!
You actally go against your own argument. You say fact, well I know for fact that you don't own a PS3. So how can you say: "All upscaling I've seen, gets blurry and the thing they do is make the screen squeezed together, it makes all the characters etc. look tiny and the wideness of the screens are not balanced anymore." You probably only saw these screens and jumped to a conlusion. And you base your whole comment on pictures of 1 game on each console. better look at these: - http://forums.gametrailers.... - http://ps3.ign.com/articles... - http://www.gameswank.com/co... Those games look more detailed to me than blurred as you proclaim. They are more smooth, but very little blurred. Only some tittles are blurred on some areas (PS1 tittles mostly) The IGN article explains it better. I may be wrong, but you said the PS3 can not do horizontal and vertical upscaling at the same time. Could you provide a link for that, I would like to read that (not being sarcastic, but I just want to confrim that statement for myself). If you can't provide a link than you're argument is not valid either, as you keep telling everyone to give a link or else their story is bullsh!it.
22 agree and 15 disagree! HaHa! You really stir things up Mart...good for you man.
I have a PS3 and the upscaling on PS2 games and on DVDs is beautiful on my Panasonic TH42PX70. FFXII looks amazing. I dont really care if the 360 is better or not. PS3 looks awesome on my TV so thats all that matters :P Get a life Mart - the childish "My console is better than yours" approach that you take to every single article is getting old. Seek help, i think you need it!!!
you are right the upscaler is hardware driven in the 360. There is an upscaling chip that is included in every console. The PS3 is completely software driven(through the firmware update) and is not nearly as effective...it causes a lot more stretching and more of a blurring effect. Head start: the Xbox 360 and the next generation By Ben Kuchera | Published: January 02, 2007 - 08:45PM CT "We call it Ana. This is the scaling chip that's in the 360," he tells me. It's odd to see it—a tiny little chip—but this may be one of the secret weapons the 360 has against the PS3. The PS3 has no internal hardware scaler, which means games that are 720p native can only be shown in 720p or 480p; there is no scaling up to 1080p or 1080i. This causes people with older HDTVs to have issues with the available resolutions, and keeps them from playing the games in anything but 480p. It's a vexing problem for a system that's supposed to be HD, and this issue is one of the most challenging that Sony faces. I ask the Microsoft guys how important it was for them to include a scaler in the 360. "It was a critical design decision; we wanted the 360 to be high-definition, not just 1080p or some other standard. That's why we included component cables in the box; there is no HDTV that doesn't have a component in," said Greenberg. This is where the magic happens They assume that Sony didn't include a hardware scaler to keep costs down.
I'd sort of agree for some of them. But you have to remmember this. The God of War screenshot(first one) is very pixelated. a ps2 game dosent have the image quality for such an increase in res. That would explain the blur. Its nothing to do with the ps3. Also. xbox(nvidia nextgen chip att) - 360 (nextgen chip now) The jump in quality is not as apparent. Hence xbox games should look better when being upscaled by 360. Because the image quality of the original xbox was better to begin with then the ps2.
If the Image Quality of the Xbox was better than PS2(Of course, no denying it was), hence the Xbox Screens should always look better when Scaled on Next-Gen. It's almost like you really can't compare the images of a PS2 games and a Xbox, but you can compare how the Scalers are done in totally different ways on both consoles. Of course for PS2 fans, it was not about graphics when it came to the Xbox/Ps2 Right? I never really read up on the scalers of both consoles, but both, Sony and MS went about different ways of doing it. Hardware Scaler IMO will always be better. Anyhow can we give it rest, It's all in the Architecture of both consoles. It's not the end of the world sonyfans. Hopefully, it does not put a damper on your day.
They are not referring to last gen games when talking about upscaling. Almost every X360 and PS3 game is set to run natively at 720p. So when upscaling to 1080i/p on games like Resistance and Gears of War the PS3 has a HUGE disadvantage with hardware acceleration. It is a simple matter really. Of course the 360 is going to look better upscaled, it has a whole extra chip doing the work! The PS3 will NEVER be able to match it. Not because it couldn't do it, just because it does not have a hardware scaler.
Actually I do have to agree with you as alot of original xbox games, Halo 2 being one of them were made in HD. Mainly 480P but still with that option alone it allows you to upscale to 480P and have a nicer picture than you would with a PS2 game set to run in 480i. As logical though as that may sound, you can only make excuses for the PS3 but when it comes down to it it's all about who can do it better and that is the 360. Love my ps3 but I play my PS2 for my PS2 games.
There is an option on PS3 to blur the edges, meant to be used on the really old games that every "comparison" on the net is using on every game compared. I have yet to see photos posted of any game with this option turned off.
The 360 seems to take this one.
why are you both so excited to harp on the fact that we're talking about upscaling your paltry, miniscule offering of BC games on the on the 360 anyway to the tidal wave of BC games on the PS3? Plus you're comparing them to PS2 upscaled games WTF? Lets compare my HEAT DVD upscaled to full HD 1080p to the upscaler in the 360 then. If I see it with my own eyes then maybe yeah, but uh-uh, not buying it. These are PS2 games that didn't have the graphicial capability of the XBox 1 anyway so this is a really dumb comparison imo. =] Cheers
the xbox shot is a closeup and the PS3 shot is zoomed out, which one do you expect to look better?? the 360 has to do less work since it has more surface(the face big as life on the screen) to hide any imperfections. another xbot slant piece exposed in record time....lol the FEAR from xbots is getting incredible.
Yeah I'll just have to agree with that, both upscalers are fine. X-Box games had sharper graphics and textures to begin with.
It doesn't take a genius to understand that hardware upscaling is more efficient than software upscaling. *Maddens Raiders* I'm sure the Head dvd looks good, but I buy a gaming console for games, not movies. Cheers.
you say -- "I'm sure the Head dvd looks good, but I buy a gaming console for games, not movies. Cheers" -- ...and you're right it [HEAT] looks better than even I had anticipated, but and the fact remains I LOVE TO GAME. All the time, everyday. But I am not a robot either, and even you FK can understand that the PS3 is a very good media player in in a greater description just a very good, utilatarian piece of equipment. Sure the XBox360 upscaled XBox games look better if you want to go to that subject, but XBox games already looked better than PS2 games ~ it was introduced [XBox] late last gen or did you forget? The PS2 is OLD - remember? =] So if you like to game like I do and watch some great music and videos, and pictures in a wide array of codecs, and acceptable formats all in one convenient compact unit, that wired up HDMI to your surround sound and telly, then a PS3 is for you mate. I'll see you on the PSN. Maddens_Raiders. Cheers
My 360! Nuff said!
Well loving it doesn't make it better but maybe it helps a little.
The fact is - the 360 does better upscaling! No matter what anyone wants to say, the truth in all of this is the PS3 may do some things better than the 360 and the 360 may do some things better than the PS3. I own both systems for different reasons and fanboys gotta realize that their console of choice isn't the best in every aspect. So, make excuses if you will but, I play my BC games on both systems and I've seen the proof with my own eyes!
PS3 does hardware scaling too, 'Toshiba's Super Companion Chip' deals with it,among other tasks.
Well give some links then. Because the PS3 can't do full upscaling. It does or horizontal or vertical upscaling. One at the time, not both together. Madden Raiders, it's not about the quality of the last gen game compared, it's how the upscaling is done. And the PS3 does a bad job there. It seems no real upscaling every way you twist it. I bet even in movieupscaling, the 360 does a better job because of Ana. I'll try if I can ask a reviewer that has both systems to do a side by side comparing on movies. Or maybe someone here with the two systems, like Elitegamer can run them side by side for you.
I have not tried upscaling on the 360 Elite yet, so I have only done it on component cables at 1080i through the 360... On my 60" SXRD XBR 1080p, there is an advantage to the ps3 for the most part probably simply because of the HDMI...I have never found upscaled DVD's to really be that much more impressive than just the TV doing it...and this TV has a pretty good scaler to begin with... Some older movies were crapping out on the ps3, like The Abyss, and Goodfellas...of which they looked better on the 360...But Fight Club, The Prestige, and the extended edition of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, all seemed to have a more vibrant picture on the PS3... and of the 30 or so other dvds I compared there was no real clear advantage to either...it more depends on the studio's mastering than anything...I have a SuperBit copy of Panic Room, which looked nearly Blu Ray/HD DVD quality when pumped through HDMI upscaled to 1080p on the PS3...and I am sure it would look just as good through an elite also... but hasn't this been beaten to death...People have always pointed out the AA adantages of the 360 emulating past Xbox games...the ps3 is running ps2/ps1 games on the same hardware from those sytems...So the ps3's advantage is backwards compatibility on everything... You guys have to see how often you contradict yourselves...when Ps3 fans bring up how the 360 has far less backwards compatability when compared to the 360...you say "who wants to play old games anyway...and we have Halo 1 and 2 so who cares"...but then an article pointing out how good the 360 is at upscaling older emulated games...you come in and say "yeah the ps3 sucks at playing older games...our 360 does it so much better"...I thought you didn't want to play older games? and Mart, now you bring up DVDs...and you have to admit I was unbiased as could be with my comparison...because that is how I saw it...I am not taking sides in this...but you time after time say how consoles are for games...and nothing else...and now you are talking about which console plays DVDs better?...you don't find that odd at all?...does your brain trigger any "I am starting to talk out of my ass again" ever?
I prefer non-blurred method.
I have to say the xbox 360 games appear nice and crisp and I'm completely in love with what I see.
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/20... they purposely made the second shot brighter so u can see the smoothness "Yes, we know the two pictures aren't in the exact same spot or have the exact same dimensions, but you get the idea. It's a heck of a lot smoother. We also had to brighten the "after" shot because the original was kind of dark for some reason."
when i upscale God of War 2 it makes some "next-gen" games hail in comparison.. Babylonian's link is an awesome indication of such. the only complain it the colors are flushed.. i dont think its particularly "blurry".. just devoid of color altogether, but it effectively removes jaggies nonetheless
Must be comparing it to other PS3 games.
It's like the 360 just keeps 1UPing everything Sony plays (or is it Sony was just Bull$hiting Like always) When is next gen going to start Sony? How can you go into "next gen" Sony when you can't even fix your "last gen"?
People keep saying the PS3 is all software upscaling. That is completely dead wrong. I believe it may use a little software, but the hardware scaler is being utilized to do scaling. It has a hardware scaler on the system itself. http://boardsus.playstation... http://digg.com/hardware/Ri... http://www.engadgethd.com/2...
The picture get blurred on the PS3 when upscaling PS2 games ONLY when you have Smoothing turn on. Turn that off and it looks fine. My DVD's also look alot better with the upscaling turned on. Every photo I have seen they have smoothing turned on So if you see a photo and they don't mention if smoothing is turned on or off you can assume they don't know about it or it is turned on.
It's a short-term pain. You're going to want to rely on the superior upscaler in your HDTV rather than the one in your machine anyway. As these TVs become more widespread, this issue won't be as serious. (Where PS3 games are concerned, anyway.)
Finding the worset PS2 image and saying PS3 is bad. This tosser did it for free hits on his crap blog.
God of War II upscaled on my 50" TV looks better than most 360 games. And yes I have both consoles.
Does it mean that you can make an objective opinion, because your comment sure doesn't reflect that. I'm tired of people thinking that because they have both consoles, that they have reached a level of enlightenment that gives them the miraculous ability to not be biased. Kameo looks better than God of War 2 upscaled. Why don't you let us know which 360 game GOW 2 looks better than, since you seem to be displayin' diarrhea of the mouth. Your full of it. The textures of next gen games are far more detailed, they have more graphical enhancements, they have way better lighting, more interactivity, and would crash a ps2 and original xbox. Your just lame for making such a retarded comment. So what if you have both consoles, it doesn't mean your not biased. You could be some spoiled rich kid whose parents buy you everything. it doesn't mean you won't be biased with your opinions whether they are based on fact or nonsense. Next thing that's probably gonna come out of your mouth is that both gears and R:FOM can be done on ps2. Your so credible.... "I have both consoles....blah blah blah". Now is a great time for gaming, and you who have the best of both worlds wanna come on this forum and flame, you've gotta be dumber than a fanboy that only has one of the consoles. At least they can appreciate what they have better than you. Ignorant Fanboys make this site less enjoyable every day.
Funny, funny and fynny. You know I actually have more respect for hardcore fanboys (like me) At least with them you know what to expect and are honest about their opinions.
That it may have something to do with the video game itself. I mean come on. Xbox 1 games are cleaner to begin with when compared to PS1 and PS2 games. The systems are upscaling different kind of content. Doom for Xbox live doesnt look all that great upscaled it's because the content is not all that great to begin with. Let's compare apples to apples people. Compare DVD upscaling if you want to compare the capabilities of the systems.
FIFA 06 and 07 run in 720p on xbox 1, don't expect these xturds to come clean on that one. now that I think about it, that says alot about the 360, FIFA games ran in 720p on xbox 1 and they still run in 720p on 360, except that the xbox 1 versions look better because they weren't dipped in a vat of anti-aliasing which in fact makes the new version look blurry and washed out. Everything they accuse the PS3 of can actually be found more on their games.
Yet ps2 has more games to up scale and the BC is better on ps2 then on 360 so far as im concerned ps3 wins overall.
How many Xbox games are BC? Nuff said ;-)
327 by my count http://www.xbox.com/en-US/g...
Would you please explain us how does this prove Xbox 360 is better at upscaling? God of War 2 looks a whole lot better. Halo also looks better. But you can't really say which better is "better", since it's not apples to apples. Better luck next time. (Hint: try a multiplatform game)
The PS3 is up scaling PS2 & 1 games. I would not expect that much of an improvement. The Xbox games have always out shined PS games when it comes down to just pure polish. It is a given that Xbox games will look better. Love at 1st sight BABY. @bootsielon Let’s not try a multi platform game O.K. You’re not going to do anything but make up an excuse like, "Developers are lazy." or some lame @ss crap like that. It is a fact that the 3rd party games that were ported from PS2 to Xbox looked better on XBOX from the beginning.
come one... and the halo screen not scaled looks better on chiefs armor
lol, plain and simple, the ps3 upscales better, but of course if someone want to show the opposite its very easy to do so. 1. ps2 upscales ps1 and ps2 games which were graphically weaker than xbox 2. turn of smoothing, and it will not blur 3. its a hardware chip which makes the upscaling 4. this comparison is bullshit, ala taking the best picture you can get on the xbox and taking the worst picture you can get on the ps. bla bla bla fanboys...
WOW...this is really sad. Most of the visitors to this site that prefer the PS3 as their favorite console all seem to have 3 or less bubbles. Most of them 1, and 2 bubbles. I hate this bubble crap. So much for freedom. "Police State" anyone? [email protected] who else but BLADEG4G. i see you're sniffing my balls. You're a pathetic LOSER.
Not everyone that like the PS3 has 1-3 bubbles... Only the ones like you. Some of you can get your point across without in insulting other people. Many of you contribute the same stupid comments... such as... "M$ sucks... the towels... the rings of death... Sony rules... balls.. this d!ck that...." You see... We all here have preferences and stuff we like that others don't... that's to be expected... and we may say things about Sony or microsoft or the consoles... there is nothign wrong with that.. but when many result to personal insults... where do you think those bubbles would go...
Like I said before... Regarless of how many facts Sony fanboys are prensented with. They will always deny or considered a lie anything that may not portrait the PS3 as the most powerful console in the universe (Including from another planet... asuming that aliens play games). The PS3 has to be able to do better than the 360 at everything... online, graphics, sound, drive speed, games, exclusives, BC, upscaling, etc. Any article or news that state otherwise is bull. The PS3 was not made by God you know.... it will not be perfect.
Like I said before... Regarless of how many facts 360 fanboys are prensented with. They will always deny or considered a lie anything that may not portrait the 360 as the most powerful console in the universe (Including from another planet... asuming that aliens play games). The 360 has to be able to do better than the PS3 at everything... online, graphics, sound, drive speed, games, exclusives, BC, upscaling, etc. Any article or news that state otherwise is bull. The 360 was not made by God you know.... it will not be perfect. you know this is a 2 way street...but I guess for you it can only be 1 way right?
Dude if you were my biatch I swear I will slap you sideway... why u hate da ps3 so much...'cause you mum wouldn't buy you one for your 30th birthday? Where is the love Ryu? While daddy is playing his ps3....just come over and sit on daddy lap....I will tell you a secret about the power of da ps====3 "just between you and me_____Its long and its strong!!!!
@Charlie2688, I agree with you. Isn't that something? @daomay, where in my comments... do you feel my hate to the PS3? I am just stating the obvious. Let's talk about BC... the Playstation have a better library... HD player... the PS3 comes with it built in... how about wifi? the PS3 wins again. There are lots of thing that the PS3 has that are better than the 360. But just because I don't agree with $h!t like, "The PS3 has the best games" or "The 360 is the worst console and is a piece of crap" and the "Xbox live sucks as online service" as many Sony fanboys keep posting.. that makes me a PS3 hater? Now the 360 have a dedicated ship to do scaling.. and all Xbox games were HD and therefore the 360 does a better job at upscaling and you want me to lie to myself.. and say that the PS3 does better at it? Why? What does that have to do with loyalty? I said it many times... I will buy a PS3 when it offers something that the xbox 360 which I already own does not offer. Maybe Home, warhawk, etc will. I will buy one for sure when Final fantasy and metal gear comes out... Sorry I a buy a console for the games... $600 is not something I am willing to pay for resistance which is the only game that apeals me at this point. The 360 have more variety on the FPS genre... we all know that... and I am not an arcade racing game lover.. so Motorstorm... it's not worth $600 + the game. How about RTS and MMO? true.. I can play them on the PC... but on the PS3 there is no RTS genre.
come on blade, been here long enough and we know you hate PS3. Well, At least theMart openly admitted it cause he knows we know. And For you, you just think we all are that clueless to figure that out??
uhhh... You guy are missing a MAJOR thing here. The 360 isn't upscaling the game at all. Backwards compatible games on the 360 are run at 720p >natively< with anti-aliasing running to boot. No scaling required. The hardware scaler is used to scale games running in 720p to 1080i for a wide compatibility with all hdtvs. The ps3 is running the games at 480p and then it has a scalar applied. This comparison is very similar to comparing an upscaled dvd to hddvd or bluray. (except at 720p not 1080p)
nice post, interesting when the facts are presented. just another day the x-kiddies are looking stupid, which is no different than any other day.
That is the main reason for the X360's limited backwards compatibility compared to PS3. The PS3 does a relatively excellent job at upscaling, but for imagequality, native rendering will always be better. Soooo -- do we want extensive backwards compatibility or fewer games with better imagequality?
why don't ps3 owner just shut up for a change and lets them x360 have the last word to everythings.... 'cause as far as Im concern....who the fuk give a fuk about da xbox games...I am sure u fuking whining mofo saying shiiiit like "na na na na na----me xbox360 does upscale better then your ps3? you all can get fuk...'cause what....you dumb fuk are missing out....let me tell you why!!!! Most xbox360 owners own da ps2 yeah...yeah...so while we ps3 owners are enjoying 1080 quality ps2 games on our ps3...which I thanks sony for the firm update.... One more thing.....we sony owners will never win against the xbox360 owners.....and you know why? Sony is like Paris Hilton..she is bad and she is expensive but most of all she like to sux 8====>....eventhough she is bad at it....which I agree she should go to jail for it...every tom dix and harry want her....too bad most of us can't have her.....but for $999 you can have it....just admit it....you hate sony 'cause ITS A SONY...Dont be hat'ing as for the xbox360 it is cheap and..hang on let me think....oh yeah it has better upscale then ps3....yeah
Vulgar but I think I get your point, lol.
Wow some fanboys on this site are so dumb and stupid, its good that the fanboys only got one bubbles I just wish that you guys would be banned by now. If the 360 does better at upscaling then so be, now who really cares? Oh yeh its the sony and xbox fanboys who care about this sort of crap.
Agreed! I mean seriously, just because the PS3 can't upscale PS2 and PS1 graphics DOESN'T freakin' mean you can't play them. Second, we're talking about games built for time-period specific TV sets, so why even make a freakin' fuss about "upscaling" without touching the game's code. That is the equivalent of you fanboys from both sides arguing which system can upscale a "code-untouched" Pac Man game from the late 70's. What's freakin' next? Mart or Jason arguing that the Xbox 360 has longer electrical cord and the rest of the Sony fanboys counterarguing? For all the Sony fanboys out there, just let the Xbots like Mart have their own otherwise pointless victory. PS1 and PS2 libraries all contain many great memorable gems to play. They look prettier in their native resolutions (just adjust your HDTVs, if you can, to 480, even though you're gonna get some kind of black bars or something around it). @zonetrooper5: one bubble from me, dude
i don't care *WHO does the upscaling better, i'm just glad the upscaling is done at all. you'd think, logically, that X Box games would look better upscaled, as X Box games, in general, look better than PS2 games. i've upscaled quite a few of my PS2 games on my tv (40" LCD Samsung, 720p), and the blurring that everyone is talking about is quite minimal, to be honest. i've tested Sly Cooper, Resident Evil 4, God of War 2, Rogue Galaxy, Shadow of the Colossus, and FFXII. FFXII is the game that looks the worst by far, and it's no surprise that that's the title that everyone chooses to use for comparrisons. Sly looks great, Rogue Galaxy looks great (something about cell shading, i suppose), but God of War 2 also looks great. Shadow of the Colossus looks really great (not using progressive, either). it's also a kick playing Symphony of the Night upscaled, just because it's so damn pixelly. the smoothing option actually helps this title look better, as it blurs the pixels a bit. the fact of the matter is that the PS3 finally has upscaling, and it works. DVDs look *FANTASTIC upscaled, and the best PS2 games (ie, Shadow of the Colossus), look really good. i don't know why FFXII looks so bad, but it does. i wish they'd use another game in these comparrisons, as it ultimately gives the impression that they're *TRYING to make the PS3 look bad. but what "journalist," in good conscience, would do *THAT? right? right?
Several people disagreed with my last comment and then took away one of my bubbles. I am not sure why, because all i said is the ps3 is not all software upscaling, and that it does have a hardware scaler. The links i posted attested to this, and i've read many developer articles confirming. What was the big deal?
fanboys are allergic to proof. and since they don't have a worthy rebuttal for you claims, they lash out and attack your bubbles. +bubbles from me, however.
And me. Your sources were pretty reliable, and the tone of your article didn't suggest fanboyism, but someone who wanted to throw legitimate info into the midst of a flame war. You didn't say "PS3 is better" or "360 is better." Instead, you offered sources that ran against someone else's possibly invalid claim. You didn't scream or rant or call names, you just offered sources. Hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned, I suppose.
I offer bubbles too...as that is an unjust and unfair thing about this website...keep making good comments bro.