According to the CEO of Walt Disney, Robert Iger, there is no high-def format war outside of the US and in Europe, Blu-ray has already won but according to ERT Weekly, most UK electrical retailers - over 60 per cent - prefer HD DVD to Blu-ray.
Blu-Ray's the best! HD-DVD sucks just like the Xbox 360.
What's up with you?.. you joined like 37 minutes ago and can only say like xbox sucks in every thread. I assume you want to get down to 1 bubble and fast to become one of the most hated?.. good luck to you "wanna be" fanboy.. you even fail to be fanboy.
OK dude!!! get your facts right, The xbox 360 does not suck, It actually has some great games, GOW, TDU, Forza 2 etc. But i do think HD DVD is pointless no matter what plan they have, More people are going with blu-ray and that has nothing to do with console wars
Again look at what is going on here Blu-Ray=ps3 and HD-DVD=xbox....the only reason its posted here is bc rival companies have a different take on what format is superior in their minds...but one company is dependent on movies for success and the other isnt, so why is this debatable? Bc one say Playstation and the other says XBOX. What if neither company back a format we wouldnt be having this discussion. Lets Keep Movies and Games Seperately these arguments do nothin but further let me know that Blu-ay isnt need for games, its for movies bc thats what you guys are always debating about is MOVIES!...if X movie on X format sells well then that means they're Respected console is better?
You do know that neither HDDvd nor Xbox have anything to do with your increasingly embarrassing erectile disfunction situation ? So chill out dude
get a life loser.
what i find most funny is that 13 people agreed with his childish comment even if u are a fanboy, i think it's good to show SOME credibility or proof in what u preach... inventing a new log name and bashing a given system only shows the maturity level in some people edit: for the record, its up to 16... good job guys... good freakin job lmao
You should be shot boy!
Your fuking stupid!Why should he be shot?Last time I checked theres a law of freedom of speech you stupid [email protected]! I hate comments like that!
I belive blu ray is great but xbox 360 is a great sytem...and u kinda ended your bubble carrer...46 diagrees...this is a xbox fanboy site mostly just be careful if u want bubbles..me personally say wat i feel..i will nto say 360 sucks i just like ps3 over it and no one likes sit when u favor one over another...just like i loved my ps2 and psone
BD will win, not that i want it to but all this hype and bullshit talk of the BD disc space actualy being used up will kill HD DVD. Even though, the codec for HD DVD can fit twice as much data then that of the BD codec, mpeg? the old one. Meaning, that seeing as the discs arent twice the size, HD DVD will be able to to fit more or less the same amount of data. But more space isnt neccesserily a good thing, i mean there games, there isnt a decent one out of the bunch and one of them apparently uses over 35 gb of space, i for one want to know what they are filling these discs with because the games dont look that great, the best looking game on the PS3 uses the same amount then Gears of War does for the 360.
you should be shot along side the OP. freedom of speech has nothing to do with needing to be removed from the gene pool.
I believe you're the true definition of a moron.
what is your problem?
A owner of both consoles and bolth formats HDDVD and BluRay... I truly so far am more impressed with HDDVD. Sorry Just the way it is. I feel if BluRay does or is winning at the moment its because of the brand name nothing more!
I still wish that those 2 formats were united to create the ultimate next-gen format. A long format war is bad for everyone and I think it has already reached Europe and other markets.
its a freaking format, you act like HDDVD just insulted your mom. I do think blu ray is superior because of the support it has, but it could've been used for videogames. As for movies it might not sell well(umd did the same thing), but it would do perfectly well as a gaming disk.
well the fact is that bluRay does sell well over all and it is still a gaming media just like DVD, if I were you guys..i wouldn't get the 200 dollar add on for the xbox yet. Just wait until next year (all the retailers were saying, by xmas we should know) before you dip those cash. It's probably the best decision right now I think.
i wasn't actually even thinking of getting the HDDVD addon, i still buy standard dvd's though i might get bluray movies when i get my PS3.
i picked up the add on. for 150 not bad a cheap way to jump into the hddvd format. this was before blu ray really took off. I dont think there will be a winner, just a dominant format. I definatly dont regret getting it. I do regret watching it on a sd tv. I will probably pick up a stand alone blu ray player just so i can have both.
You bought a hd-dvd add on to watch hd-movies on your sd-tv. That sounds kinda stupid.
this war was over the day the PS3 came out!
Is everything in you house Sony...where were you at when mini-disc was around or UMD. Where was your ranting then? or How about the Sony Milo you buying those by the truck loads right. dude gimme a break.
heheh my dad has a minidisc player. But he does sound operation for plays and musicals. and those are great. but other than that. they just like umds eb has a umd sale like 4 bucks a movie. i still cant get myself to purchase any.
What's that then, luck?
They got to the point. Toshiba is going to include a HD-DVD drive with all of its laptops. They say they could sell 10 mil in a year. Well that is nice, but I hate watching movies on my Laptop. I think that it will help HD-DVD a little but not like a standalone unit.
Shadow Flare you should read the article before you try and bash anything not pro-Sony. The articles point was that Toshiba is putting HD DVD drives into all of their laptops.
I'm guessing if it has a HD-DVD built in there will be some sort of output divice so you can send it to your HDTV, many HDTV's have PC monitor support and I am sure more in the future will as well. You don't have to just watch it on your laptop.
You may not like watching DVDs on your laptop big_tim, but most college students do--and college students are a huge market for laptops. When you're out of state and poor, laptops are a great way to watch movies with friends, especially because you can do it anywhere. The popularity of watching movies on laptops is shown also by the prevalence of widescreen laptops these days.
Of course it will have a vga out or even a HDMI out, but it still is very clunky to hook it up to a TV. As for college students, you have a point. I am in my last year of Graduate school, yet I don't rely on a laptop to support my viewing habits. But I can understand why some would. For them, it will help. As for the so called war, it won't make much of a difference.
I own an Xbox360, but I'm not an HD-DVD fanboy. I really don't care which format becomes the next universal disc format. The effort was mde by SONY to include the Blu Ray player in the PS3, but even if Blu Ray were to fail, the PS3 can still utilize the disc space for games. The PS3 will not die without Blu Ray movie support, although it would certainly help them if Blu Ray became the standard. I'm just tired of this whole "format war" and I'd like to be able to move forward and buy new hardware that I know will be supported in 3 years.
ERT Weekly says 60% of people think HD-DVD is better! Blu-ray is doomed! *sarcastic comment for the day* What happened, only 5 people voted and 3 of the 5 liked HD-DVD?
"Sales figures from March estimate that the PS3 has sold 5.5 million units." Anyhow I'll just wait before I make a purchase..
5.5 million units may be referencing Blu Ray titles sold from what i gather. The article sounds like an anti Sony guy using his imagination to conjure up a scenario where HD-DVD can win. The biggest problem HD-DVD has is the lack of Disney and Sony Movie studio support. The combined libraries of those two are massive.
"Sales figures from March estimate that the PS3 has sold 5.5 million units. That’s a nice start to any new format’s potential customer base. Toshiba and others will have to sell an awful lot of dedicated HD DVD players to get anywhere close and, of course, that that’s not going to happen." I think it's clear, this is BS, I mean from MARCH? Sure if it was a Sony hater, why inflate Sony's numbers like that?. Not even close after MARCH was said and done. Anyhow I don't really care about the war as it does not effect me much. When it does, I'll have a little more to say. For now: -Blue-ray has more support(the biggest factor) -HD-DVD is doing whatever it can to gain more support.(price reductions, free movies, Walmart and such) If the tide start to turn to dual players and more support for HD-DVD then we are gonna be in this for the long haul.
I think they are talkling about units shipped. I think the PS3 sold about 3 million units at that time.
Both of the formats suck in my opinion, holographic disc for the win ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
maybe the next gen consoles will probably have digital distribution or bluray, but this format is a waste for games. Unless you put multiple games on and or the resolution for games increases drastically.
They are suppose to be available to the public in late 2008, but they will also run about $80 a disc. Mind you, that is what they are saying now, and come late 08, they will probably be a lot less. I do agree with you though...cheers.
HVD is suppose to be out in about 2 yrs. I say 09'-10' HVD should be the format for computers and movies.
PS4 maybe? Xbox720 maybe? Holographic discs sound interesting:) LOL:)
Why do i keep getting to the site to read this war [email protected]#!!!!!!DAMN!!!! They both are cd's however u look at it, no games, no updates, just cd versus cd Honestly i feel a bit sad as a gamer no games just lies,rumor,rumor,lies. Xbox if u don't hate mind yo business, same goes to the play crowd. How many wake up just to see if they can post bs news first. Don't lie raise your hand..........I should just look at all my children or sumtin......
Not only is this old news, but it comes from the most unreliable source on the net (a site that uses words such as "HORRIBLE" on their headlines). This is old news because we already knew Toshiba wants to include HD-DVD in every laptop. Assuming that they were the only PC vendors to sell a next-gen format with their computers, how is that gonna help? People watch movies at home on their stand alone or console; very few do it on PCs, much less will do it on laptops. But that's still assuming they're the only ones in the market to do so, which is not true. Sony is selling blu-ray with their high-end PCs and laptops. They could just add them to more computers by holiday season. Dell supports blu-ray, and HP is already shipping "Super Multi Blu ". Mac also supports Blu-ray. So, Toshiba is alone on this one. I love it how the writer ends up speculating about Acer adding an HD-DVD drive, as if they were an important manufacturer. Edit: As I said, HP supporting "Super Multi Blu" means they're supporting Blu-ray and HD-DVD. It's not a set of words I invented, it's a product made by LG that reads both blu-ray and HD-DVD. So, I did imply HP supports HD-DVD. By the way, the Elite is sold out because it wasn't produced en mass (nice marketing tactic, microsoft; make your user base believe you're sold out), because it is for enthusiasts, for those that were on the fence for the lack of technology, for collectors and for fanboys. That's how few were produced. You really think that's the one that sells the most? Hell, even the HDMI output is crippled, and it's pretty much worthless if it doesn't have a next-gen format out of the box. Edit 2: The reason I say it's worthless is that why would I need HDMI if I don't have a next-gen format? Especially on a console that only has HDMI on the minority of SKUs. It's WORTHLESS, unless studios decide they wanna activate DRM. If that happens, most Xbox 360 users will be screwed; so yeah, HDMI worked, but only for the minority. On the other hand, HDMI is not worthless for PS3, as it can deliver 7.1 uncompressed audio for games (example: LAIR), on 360 it just isn't worth it to program for (it's not even HDMI 1.3, so who knows if it's even capable of that). Did it ever ocurr to you that most people watch movies at home, or with small portable video players? Even fewer have their media centers connected to their Home Theatre. But a Laptop, due to its hardware constraints can hardly act as a media center. A laptop does benefit from storage though; but if you're going for storage, Blu-ray is definitely the way to go. For what I just told you, Acer will not be the next Magnavox/RCA/LG/Vizio, and also because they are owned by Telmex and they have no business whatsoever on format wars. Magnavox/RCA/Whatever might have huge marketshare for cheap DVD players, but you know how much Acer has for market share? Yeah, absolutely nothing. Well, not nothing, but the marketshare on PCs and laptops are mainly Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba and Apple. Everything else is niche. Dell is the one with most marketshare and they support blu-ray only. I love it how people want to shut "Sony protection group" up, but they listen to troll websites like "The inquirer", and take whatever they say as gospel, if it favors their opinions. Edit 3: I just read your response to someone, below and what you're saying is wrong. It's useless for Toshiba to put an HD-DVD in every laptop if nobody will buy movies for those, if Blu-ray is the storage format of choice (it's even cheaper, and it's better storagewise), and if there's no software on HD-DVD. The reason most computers have DVD now is not because people watch movies on their computers (unless they're media centers, and frankly those are very few; NOT laptops), but because its good for storage, and the number one reason is software. On storage it has lost already, and there's already software on Blu-ray (only compatible with PS3 of course, but HD-DVD doesn't seem to be having content other than movies any time soon).
Underdawg, any bit helps don't you think. Even if its name recognition from a casual user that buys a Laptop. Doesn't this remind you of Sony having more Market-Share, just as they have More supporters for Blue-Ray. Well MS just added 120GIG drive and HDMI, and if you look at the sales of ELITES..SOLD OUT. so yeah, every little helps the underDAWG. Of course HP is supporting HD-DVD, at least point that out too http://slashdot.org/article... EDIT: bootsielon Above - On that note, really, thats your opinion about what is worthless or not, all I know is the 360 continues to sell steadily. I'm sure the ELITE will sell as they produce more. Whatever is worthless about the 360 somehow, keeps attracting user-base. You make the call. As far as Acer and laptops, did it ever occur to you the cheapest HARDWARES or less known ones bring the content/format/technology to the consumers on a much quicker pace then the most expensive ones. This goes for all types of devices. From the likes of RCA,LG, Vizio, Magnavox and so many more brand names from the electronic sector. Well I think you get the picture...
Your logic of "The cheapest products introduce new technology faster" fails in most categories since the cheapest products cannot support these new technologies, otherwise they would be expensive. HD-DVD drives and Blu-ray drives/players are nearly identical in manufacturing costs, so your argument is moot. Even HD-DVD discs cost more to manufacture than Blu-ray discs (on a per-layer comparison). Blu-ray is also being advertised by Retailers as the superior format, and thus is kicking HD-DVD to the floor in terms of hardware and movie sales. Add PS3 into the equation, and you can easily see the outcome of all this.
Even if they put a HD-DVD player in every Laptop it will not matter that much. Laptops aren't used primarily to connect to big HDTV sets but the PS3 is. So they can sell 10 million HD-DVD Laptops and take a lost and only 500 thousand actually use the HD-DVD player for movies. I wouldn't buy an HD-DVD movie just for my Laptop I would download the movie or watch a dvd. It's not the same experience on a laptop, no surround, small screen. I watch my blu-rays on my 42 inch set with surround and it is like a theater and that is what people are expecting when they watch HD films. Toshiba will take a huge lost with this one and I am sure there shareholders will not be happy.
You people sometimes have no logic when you comment. solidt12 - "How many watch Movies on their TV via Laptop? Silence" 1. That's a foolish Question. It like saying Computer/Laptop manufacturers do not need to put the latest OPTICAL-DISK hardware into their products because your claiming nobody watches movies on their laptops anyways. a. You could as well ask the Same QUESTION, when those manufacturers went from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM, why did they add a DVD-ROM? b. Lets see, an abundance of SPACE over CD-ROM, being able to Play movies if you so wish(ya know like on Airlines and such hey it's portable). To Back-up more content for storage. 2. Don't you think HD-DVD, even Blue-Ray does have the same benefits as it was moving from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM? So why wouldn't HP add the HD-DVD drive to their laptops?, oh yeah because fanboys told them not to. On another note, who cares about what you do and how you watch movies, your not Every consumer.
Its not a foolish question. In order for this to be viewed as a secret weapon it would have to mean that these HD-DVD drives would help drives sales of HD-DVD movies. Why would anyone bother to buy HD-DVD movies over DVD to watch on a laptop? The only way I would do so is if I already had a HD-DVD player at home and thus I could take my HD-DVD with me when I went on trip and could watch them on my laptop. So again I do not see Toshiba putting in a HD-DVD drive as being the big secret weapon the Inquirer is making it out to be. I definately see it as a plus for data storage but to think it will spur sales of HD-DVD movies in any kind of mass quantity I just don't see it happening and I feel the same way for Blu-ray drives in laptops as well.
I do. Most military folks do. Especially the ones still living in barracks. 1-3 soldiers have one and others have portable DVD players w/ screens. Many laptops..well at least mine have HDMI or DVI and or optical outs. When I was in the barracks I use to connect my laptop up to the tv with my DVI connection.
was not according to the Article. If it was, I would of commented in relations to that factor being a "Secret Weapon". Of course I didn't. I never mentioned it being a "secret weapon", I was talking facts in general as to why Toshiba might put an HD-DVD drive in there regardless of how Blue-Ray is doing. Just like I posted that HD-DVD in a laptop drive can do more than just watch movies. Just as Sony will put Blue-Ray in their laptops, it's not so much about watching movies. While of course it can only help with the name recognition and other positive factors. So yeah a foolish question in regards to manufacturers using next-gen drives in general. See everything is one-sided on here. I try to point that out. (READ my comment #14.1 in a new light) ITR #14.3- Don't worry, people seem to think they know why most people will use a Next-gen Optical-Drive, when they have no clue, besides only what they use it for. You are right plenty of people in the military use their Laptops for a lot. Watching a video on a 17 inch 1900X1200 HD screen is gorgeous, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that might think so or use a laptop for that purpose, as opposed to an Portable DVD player..
kewlkat007 - So yeah a foolish question in regards to manufacturers using next-gen drives in general. The thing is solidt12 was not responding and asking in general he was responding to the actual news article which is what we are suppost to be discussing. I also was stating that his question was not silly when you look at what is being stated in the article. I though this was suppost to be a thread discussing the actual news item not things in general. Perhaps that's why there is so many misunderstandings because people don't stick to the topic at hand and decided to go off on tangents. kewlkat007 - Don't worry, people seem to think they know why most people will use a Next-gen Optical-Drive, when they have no clue, besides only what they use it for. Wow and you do I guess?
14.5 @ VirtualGamer - "The thing is solidt12 was not repsonding and asking in general he was responding to the actual news article which is what we are suppost to be discussing." I think you could be the N4G thread Police, if you really think that, what I have posted had nothing to do with the Article whatsoever. You should go search all the other threads to just get your point across about gamers staying on topics of discussion. 1. Sometimes to get a point across, you have to think generally speaking. If I was to comment about something that all Electronic manufacturers do generally speaking, then we could throw in whatever Electronic that might be in discussion, since thats what most do.(I could put some examples) 2. I stated my point, on how putting an HD-DVD in Toshiba laptops could help Toshiba, by not so much putting in there just to watch movies but for name recognition, extra space and all that jazz.(which seems like you disagreed with, while the topic of discussion is HD-DVD and "SERCRET WEAPON". No tangents here. (read my post again) ***************************** ****************** solidt12 - "Even if they put a HD-DVD player in every Laptop it will not matter that much" This is why I responded Virtual, there ya go. I felt like there is a lot more to it, as to if the HD-DVD Drive was added and thats what I stated. ***************************** ****************** Apparently your thoughts are on the same level as "solidt12" on this subject and fail to see where I'm coming from.(which is fine and dandy) You don't think this helps in anyway, it's all good. -YES I know plenty of people watch movies on their Laptops, it's like SONY putting the DVD-ROM with the PS2, yeah it's a "game machine" but it also played movies, which was a big boost for sales, "IN GENERAL". There go that word again you hate. I know you fail to understand....you can disagree it's all good bro...
Man your the master at going all over the place. Lets stick to what you said and have you respond to that. kewlkat007 14.1 - Think about what yo just said You people sometimes have no logic when you comment. solidt12 - "How many watch Movies on their TV via Laptop? Silence" 1. That's a foolish Question. It like saying Computer/Laptop manufacturers do not need to put the latest OPTICAL-DISK hardware into their products because your claiming nobody watches movies on their laptops anyways. VirtualGamer - No that is incorrect. He is not claming laptop manufactures do not need to put in the latest optical disk hardware because no one watches movies on their laptops. He is clearly stating they don't use their laptop to connect directly to their HDTV and thus would not be willing to spend money on a higher priced movie format since they won't see any kind of a difference viewing it off of a laptop screen. kewlkat007 - a. You could as well ask the Same QUESTION, when those manufacturers went from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM, why did they add a DVD-ROM? VirtualGamer - Again the question is not if people use their laptop to watch movies its if they use a laptop to connect directly to their tv to watch DVD or HD-DVD or Blu-ray movies. kewlkat007 b. Lets see, an abundance of SPACE over CD-ROM, being able to Play movies if you so wish(ya know like on Airlines and such hey it's portable). To Back-up more content for storage. VirtualGamer - Again this has nothing to do with his argument since he is not arguing that adding HD-DVD does not add space or give the ability to watch movies on a plane directly on the laptop. kewlkat007 2. Don't you think HD-DVD, even Blue-Ray does have the same benefits as it was moving from CD-ROM to DVD-ROM? So why wouldn't HP add the HD-DVD drive to their laptops?, oh yeah because fanboys told them not to. VirtualGamer - Again he is not saying they should not do so only that this will not have people running out to buy HD-DVD movies and thus give Toshiba a huge boost in sales to help win the format war. So again kewlkat007 if you want to make an argument that clearly shows how doing this will increase HD-DVD movie sales for Toshiba because people will rush out and buy HD-DVD movies just because they bought a Toshiba laptop with a HD_DVD drive I would love to hear it. Because all solidt12 and I are saying is we don't see that happening. That is the only point we are making and one you have not addressed in all this talk. You would make a good politician. I hope you can understand what I am getting at. I don't think I could be any more clear.
this subject should go away at amazon best sellers top one hundred 7 blu ray one hd dvd this includes standard dvd now if its disc sales, what ever media films games etc well hd dvd would be a laughing stock add ps3 games to disc sales over all then the ratio would be huge in blu rays favour rememember this is next gen, space will play a big key in us getting better games whether on ps3 or xbox if we pick the biggest option space wise now we will benefit later with better graphics longer games extras etc we have heard all ready gears of war devs saying they have pushed the 360 to its max already they could go further well why not space I dont know who done this survey but with all the biggest studios supporting bluray bar one and the biggest pc makers why does toshiba not join sides well it all depends on who,s picking up the tab with the loses on toshibas side and thats a whole can of worms that may come out sooner than they know
Also to stick a fork in HD-DVD every new DVD commercial lately has had a blu-ray disc also in it and all the non tech folks are like oooh I want the blue disc, What is that? So it is catching on like hot fire right now. Where are the Hd-DVD commercials? silence again.
Ummm that didnt help the UMD at all
I think HD-DVD is putting money into lowering the cost of the players instead of spending millions on advertising.
A DVD size towel..
So, will Sony release its laptops and Vaios with Blu-ray player?
1)if Toshiba sells around 10 million laptops a year with HD-DVD drives, how does that format lose? 2)if Sony sells 10 million PS3s that same year, how does Blu-Ray lose? 3)is the clear winner simple old DVD just because this all gets confusing? Sony wins for home entertainment while HD-DVD wins the business sector because of cheap storage? 4)and does MS come out smelling like a rose because they haven't invested in anything and most if not all computers with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray run Vista!?! never forget its not about being number 1, its about making money!! maybe Toshiba is trying to hurt Sony in the bank as to be the hare in this race. interesting to say the least! P.S. Tivo beats all formats. Since buying that monster, i rarely use any of my consoles for home entertainment! late...
CELL PROCESSOR, The chip, the prototype for which was introduced early in 2005, is the product of a team of engineers from IBM, Sony Group, and Toshiba Corporation. Isn't it funny how things turn out....Everybody has a little part of In-direct Conflict of Interest.
HD DVD has a secret weapon,Muhahahahahahahahaha!!! !!!!! http://www.eproductwars.com...
I think the "secret weapon" he's talking about is M$'s 4th SKU for the xbox360. It'll FINALLY have an internal HD-DVD drive..............NAT!!! hahahahahahaaha
Secret Weapon my butt. Like anyone watches dvd's on laptops anymore. When i watch movies on my laptop its from a file not from cd. thats jst me though.
Yep thats you but it's not everyone else. Most folks don't rip DVD's or take them from torrents.
The true elite 360 will be released with a hddvd drive in it..lol..and you wont get the redlights of death..this time it will jus blow up.. oh yeah blue ray is whippin hddvd in the back really hard..lol..
Toshiba will deal the death blow, or a near death blow when they add the HD drive into to laptops! Looks like my collection of HD-DVD's are safe after all :) Anyways, BR would tank if Sony didnt come out with a BR player that played video games.
In 2008 what makes you think the format war will still be within their reach by that time. Out of the 9.2 million laptops sold how many had hd dvd drives. By forcing the hd dvd standard on the consumer unless it comes at the same cost u are basically forcing the consumer to buy something they might not want or need because chances are by that time the same consumer has already purchased a blu ray drive. Get serious i honestly think this move will have little or no impact on the war by 2008 unless these drives are sold at a loss or sumthin forcing them to lose more money than they already have. I mean sometimes it hurts to lose but toshiba really just needs to call it quits and strike a deal with sony. Sony did it with dvd's i mean you win some you lose some damn