Left 4 Dead 2 sold 2 million units in 2 weeks. That's good for Valve and Electronic Arts, but it's also good for the entire video game industry, which needs hits beyond Modern Warfare 2 to revive its fortunes
I'm sure VALVE is ecstatic concerning L4D2 sales. They sold 2M copies of what is basically an expansion pack at full retail price, I mean who wouldn't be happy with that? As for EA, well they found their next "MADDEN". What really happened here, is actually quite detrimental to the Gaming Industry, because we are sending them the wrong message. Because people out there, are willing to accept and pay for slight updates to their favorite franchise, then there is no need for Game Companies to even work hard to bring us a ground breaking title that cost alot of money, if they could get the same result through hype marketing and a rehashed game. From a business standpoint, this makes alot of sense, but from a Gaming perspective it's quite saddening to see. Mark my words, this is going to be a growing trend in the Gaming Industry.
You are aware that its a really fun game right?
this has been going on long time now, way back in the nintendo days and even on the sega. Mario and sonic seem to ring a bell, even in new technology, developers are already using the same engine. rock band and guitar hero, along with Cod4/5/6. Even Killzone 3 is going to use the same engine from Killzone 2 cause if not, any company that makes there own engine will lose alot of money if used in 1 game. Thou valve is milking there source engine which is what 5 years plus old now.
Because the 'money spent' to 'profit made' ratio is about 1:10000000.
This is not the same as other franchises, they have a 5 year old engine with tweaks being milked, and very little substance added, so I really don't see how you can draw correlations between this and say a new Killzone or Mario game, those have hours and hours of single player content on top of multiplayer (for KZ) and replayability (for Mario). Killzone 2's engine is one of the most beautiful in the industry, they worked their asses off for the luxury to sustain that same engine with a few new tweaks for Killzone 3 should they want to. That's not the same as a 5 year old engine on it's umpteenth usage, that is lagging in the visual department. I've never been a Rock Band/Guitar Hero fan, and that's activision after all, so they are automatically classed as milkers in the first place.
I liked L4D2 more than I ever liked L4D, in fact I hated L4D because it was just a Counter-Strike zombie bot mod refined into a full game. I finally started to warm up to the franchise after playing L4D2 at a friend's house, precisely at the end of Dark Carnival. So we are clear, L4D2 is pretty much what you payed for with L4D, only better. Same amount of levels, same lack of story, same endless zombie killing but with new characters/weapons/enemies/onl ine-modes. Yes it is a PC expansion but the idea of an expansion is so damn foreign to console owners that generally they are dumb enough to just buy this game for the same price. EA/Valve certainly wasn't going to put it up on the Marketplace because than Microsoft would cut deep into the online sales. So EA/Valve decided to test the waters and see if they could Madden the franchise, turned out the fans hated that idea but seems like they ending up taking the bait. Honestly, I don't know what to think of this whole situation. Generally L4D and Madden fans are happy with their purchase, so is it right for me to criticize what people do with their money? I'll say it now, I'm never going to buy a Madden or a L4D game but I would always be happy to join in a match with someone if offered the chance.
L4D2 isn't any different than most sequels people have been buying for a while, it's not a new phenomenon and it won't go away. While KZ2 was a huge improvement over KZ1 and was built on a totally new kickass engine, the same cannot be said for Ratchet and Clank Future ToD and ACiT. UC2 is also built on the same engine as it's predecessor and while it is an awesome game, it is to UC:DF what L4D2 is to L4D, tweaks and new content. The same can be said about Gears, GoW 1 and 2, Advance Wars to Advance Wars DS, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Resistance, Madden, NHL, CoD, Halo 3 ODST, AC, etc. Have you played L4D2 and compared it to the first one? Just because it's built on the same engine with the same concept doesn't automatically makes it nothing more than a mere expansion, as it'S filled with content and is simply a better game. As for the "source is outdated" argument, what are you expecting from VALVe, to release a game on a competitor's engine? Or would it make sense to build an engine from the ground up just for L4D2, while the next VALVe engine is currently in the works and to be released in 1 to 2 years? Sure, no one will argue with the fact that Source cannot compete with some of the newer engines like the one used in KZ, UC or even the latest version of UE3, but that doesn'T mean the games are ugly by any mean. Are we really such graphic whores that good graphics with great gameplay is not to be considered as good as awesome graphics with below decent gameplay? Also, in most places, L4D2 retails at a very low price, 40$ here in Canada. That's the price of the run of the mill expansion for a PC game, so even if it were an expansion, where's the problem, it's priced like one.
Why Left 4 Dead 2 sales are good for the game industry? °o° Its a funny game but it doesnt deserve this level of attention, first one was a cool concept... but ey, 2nd is more of the same, Valve should wait, improve and release a more complete game ohhh Valve... U should learn from ND or Santa Monica...
Im with you. Sales are always good, but just a rehash of a game and boxed at full price is bad for the people making and playing games for the increasing creative and artistic nature of the medium.
When you have very little exclusive games this is what happens when a half decent one comes along. I mean no offense but what else are 360 owners buying these days :-/
This is no different then any sequel. It added new gameplay elements, New Maps, New weapons, New characters, New mode, Updated graphics, Better AI, More creatures. HOW THE F-CK can this be DLC...You can't just add that in a DLC update. Some of you are pathetic. Actually everyone of you saying this should have been DLC is pathetic. Its a completely new game, So what if it uses the same engine. So did Half-life, Portal, Team fortes. How about UC1 and UC2. I mean get off your high horse. And the sad part. most of the people complaing saying its DLC is the people who have not bought the game and have not played the game. YEA I'M TALKING TO YOU PS3 FANBOYS. @above. There is only 1 game left on the ps3 I want, and that's demo souls. So 2 games all together I would play on my ps3. LBP and Demo souls. And guess what. My 360 has over 124 games played. T_T hmmm I wonder why I have no games left. I've played em all.
"Why Left 4 Dead 2 sales are good for the game industry" Eh... now L4D is the only important game or something? The sales of every good game are important, not just one The Game industry is more bigger than this kid think
Are you honestly trying to draw comparison to L4D which is based on the Half Life engine, an engine over ten years old, to KZ2 to KZ3, a direct squeal?
@STK06 I can agree that ACiT is more or less the same ToD, engine-wise. It got the same engine with some tweaks and color palette changes but there is not way ACiT can be an expansion pack of ToD. AciT story arc is way longer, the game itself is like twice the size of ToD. Now regarding UC2 I couldnt disagree more. In fact trying to compare L4D2 to UC2 is absurd in terms of what has been added/improved. UC2 is leaps and bounds beyond UC1. The same cant be said about L4D2. The very fact L4D2 had less than one year of development/testing time is very telling.
So if a company takes less then a Year to make a new game, they are not trying. WTF then why is there a new car model every year from cars. Or how about TV series...come the F on. You guys are pathetic. Just cause it took a year. doesn't mean they didn't try get over it its a great game.
Well, for one, I'm glad you took the time to explain your point, rather than giving a stealth disagree, something that seems to be too common here on N4G. As for the fact that ACiT is twice as big as ToD, I'm willing to believe you, however, I'd add that in the past, we've seen expansion being bigger than the original game they're based on. WH40K:DoW:DC being a huge improvement over the original game, Red Alert 2 : YR (from my picture you might guess I'm a fan) almost doubled the number of units in the game, added 2 players to the maximum of players in MP, boosted the resolution the game could be run at. What I'm trying to say is not that ACiT should have been an expansion, but rather that the expression "expansion" has been given a really negative feel to it, mostly by the console crowd. Expansions, aswell as stand alone expansions, have been around for years on PC, and for as long as they'Re fun and add something worthwhile to the overall experience, are a welcome addition. I don't mind people calling L4D2 a glorified stand alone expansion, as it's mostly what it is, I simply fail to understand how it is a bad thing all of a sudden. And while I could understand the criticism regarding ODST, as it was and still is full price, L4D2 now usually retails for less than 40$, which for those of you who don't know, is an acceptable price for an expansion. So why the outrage? I'll admit that comparing L4D2 to UC2 was pushing it. But the "one year to develop" argument isn't suited for L4D2, as this game is a MP only game, does not, and isn't intended to feature a "real" SP mode, therefor, shorter development times are to be expected. Also, L4D2 is powered by Source, an engine Valve built and knows better than anyone else, they've had years to perfect their way of using it, on the other hand ND still has yet to use their engine to its full potential.
I have to respectfully disagree with just one thing: the price of L4D...at least around here, the 360 version regularly priced (not Black Friday sales) is $60, the highest they go around here. Then the PC version is $50, the highest (with exception of MW2) they go as well. They both got $10-$20 discounts around Thanksgiving at many places, but are going back up to regular prices. You're right, expansions like Yuri's Revenge are great value, though, but around here, they're usually new for $30 to $40 tops, often $20 or $30 though. L4D 2 is going for a full $50. I am a HUUUGE Red Alert 2 fan (all RTS's but mainly Westwoods C & C, especially the Red Alert Universe) and have always enjoyed reading your posts. This is the first time I didn't see eye to eye with you, and it's really just about the price issue. Valve is releasing the game as almost an upgraded version, the reviews have stated if you have neither and want one, get # 2 as it's the definitive and better version. It's almost like it's a "deluxe" edition in a way, as according to many, it's redundant to own both at this stage. I think they SHOULD have made it $40 for the 360, and $30 for the PC one, regularly priced (around here)....that's about 33-40% *less* than they priced them. They instead have them fully priced to the max, when I think many people's issue is with that. That's my issue with them. Again, I'd rather do this and maturely (rare on here) explain myself as I retain my respect and affinity for your presence. Take care.
Well, thank you for your respectful comment. And yeah, for the price, maybe I got carried away after seeing it at my local Futureshop going for 40$ on X360, therefor thinking it was the new price and not a temporary price drop caused by the black friday (like in the US). I also saw this article on N4G about the price in the UK having received a significant drop aswell, sorry, my mistake. Have a nice day.
What's going to happen is that Left4Dead 3, 4, 5, and 6 will be out Quarterly. Yes, a new Left4Dead every 3 months.
I think you dropped your /s tag somewhere.
"What's going to happen is that Left4Dead 3, 4, 5, and 6 will be out Quarterly. Yes, a new Left4Dead every 3 months. " Not before Ratchet and Clank 14,15,16,17,18,19, and 20 coming out twice every month until the end of the PS3 10 year cycle. Seriously, there are only 2 L4D games. How many COD, Madden, Fifa, Ratchet, Singstar, and Mario game have came out?
Come on SDF repellent you could do better. R&C franchise is like 7 years old and there is a gap of TWO years between both PS3 iterations. I believe R&C franchise is already complete, hardly we will be seeing a new release anytime soon. On the other hand, L4D is a last year game and it already got a sequel.
Well... ...it's a good game.
You guys obviously haven't played it yet. I have the PC version. It's absolutely incredible! So addicting!
Uncharted 2 is Only on PS3
Just the factual evidence raining down on Sony Fans heads. How are those exclusives doing? :-) While you try to call Left4Dead 2 a non-exclusive, XBOX360 Fans are too busy breaking sales records. By the way, Gabe Newell just called. He says, and I quote... "Suck it." NO. ONE. CARES. :-)
Exclusive 360 flops Banjo Kazooie 0.6 million Ninety-Nine Nights 0.38 million Ace Combat 6 0.72 million Lost Odyssey 0.82 million Blue Dragon 0.53 million Dead or Alive Xtreme 2 0.2 million Too Human 0.64 million Scene-It 0.53 million Scene-It box office smash 0.46 million Chromehounds 0.4 million Shadowrun 0.39 million You're in the movies 0.43 million Lips 0.5 million Prey 0.28 million Tenchu Z 0.33 million Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise: 0.33 million MotoGP '06, 0.26 million Ninja Blade 0.17 million Viva Piñata: Party animals 0.17 million The Idol Master: 0.07 million Leisure Suit Larry Box office Bust 0.07 million Onechanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad 0.05 million Lips #1 Hits: 0.04 million Ridge Racer 6 0.2 million Timed exclusive flops Ninja Gaiden 2 0.96 million Tales of Vesperia 0.45 million Alone in the Dark 0.39 million Vampire Rain 0.15 million Eternal Sonata 0.24 million Overlord II 0.18 million Overlord 0.41 million Infinite Undiscovery 0.54 million Star Ocean IV 0.55 million Last remnant 0.59 million Beautiful Katamari 0.26 million C&C3:RA 0.29 million Multiplat 360 flops SFIV PS3 = 1.45 million, 360 = 1.29 million DMC4 PS3 = 1.26 million, 360 = 1.17 million VF5 PS3 = 0.5 million, 360 = 0.2 million Batman Arkham asylum PS3 = 1.26 million 360 = 1.06 m Burnout Paradise PS3 1.12 million X360 1.09 million Dynasty Warriors 6 PS3 0.62 million X360 0.27 million Bladestorm PS3 0.22 million X360 0.09 million Tekken 6 PS3 0.56 million X360 0.26 million Come on, Xtard. "GO AND BUY SOMETHING" :-) OH that's right... it has to be a shooter.
Seriously, just LOL "XBOX360 Fans are too busy breaking sales records." Dude...the PS3 is the one breaking sales records >_>
and extremely fun to play. One of the best multiplayer experiences to date. I'm glad it did well, lets hope they keep up the tremendous work.
fans complain that Valve doesn't have the money to branch out into other areas or platforms...Pssh, yeah whatever. I actually like the game (not the 2nd, won't buy that until it goes down in price, I bought the first as a GOTY edition and love it)...
xbox 360 version didn't sell 2 million thesh*t
I don't think it was L4D2 that did anything for the sales, it was more of the lines MW2, I don't think to many people can say that MW2 was much better then L4D2. The game hasn't even sold well here, midnight at Gamestop they got about 10 or so people for it, 153 for MW2 and keeps climbing.
The Uncharted 2 midnight release at gamestop? This game will be a great success..it sold faster in 2 weeks than most game made lifetime..cough..KZcough2..cou gh.
Well not to bright are you? Sorry but this game didn't help sale the 360, an the only things that keep selling it is the RROD or banning of people. I wouldn't talk about PS3 games, because PS3 users can play imports with out modding their system. So in the end, PS3 users have alot of great games to play an 360 users got notthing but FPS games, but are you telling me that the 1.3 mill sold at GameStop in a faster time then L4D2 is not as good as L4D2 sales? Think before you put your foot in your mouth.
LMFAO, this clown said "Well not to bright are you? Sorry but this game didn't help sale the 360, an the only things that keep selling it is the RROD or banning of people." Talk about self ownage. Please go to grade school before calling anyone out. LMFAO I think you even wrote your user name "Shendow" wrong. You sir do NOT think before you put your foot in your mouth.
JOY's dupe account is here. Also, I don't enjoy a game more because it sold more. Microsoft surely has done their job in brainwashing the masses into thinking that sales = quality. LMFAO
Is that so? http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News... Care to explain the comments in that story? ;)
Sorry I don't think you could even understand what "Shendow" even means or really how the word came to be, but coming from some that doesn't have much of a brain ^-^ its ok. Don't feel bad that you can't understand everything.
@soda, you calling me out on something? I can't see any of my posts in that story. If you want an explanation on how others behave, why not ask them? My opinion is that people like to see their team winning, but that doesn't mean they enjoy games more. Problem is, focusing on sales of exclusives hardly matters in the face of profits for 3rd parties as a whole. Xbox fanboys just keep focusing on sales units of 1st party software and in this case think PC = 360. Ultimately, they forget that PS3 has made more revenue for most debs except Activision according to financial statements. So if they are trying to imply that Sony will lose support they are gravely mistaken. If anything Sony has gained more support and Microsoft has been losing exclusives left and right like Sony in 2006/7. So whatever is being argued for is a moot point.
doesn't get it. Seeing the PS3 sell a lot so it can become more supported (a console selling more brings more support and awareness, which equates to more games and quality in the end) and being happy is NOT, I repeat, NOT, the same as saying "neener neener neener, my Halo sold more than your Killzone 2, nana nana boo boo, ha ha!".... Fanboys just want bragging rights when talking about a game selling a lot, when people cheer on a console IN A MATURE MANNER, that's them being happy that they will get more support. There's a difference between cheering on future support and involving one's self in a console pissing match. Playing "teh salezz" card is a 360 fanboy favorite, and it's pathetic. That is not the same as when (go read some of the comments, they're MATURE) PS3 fans (not fanboys) become elated that they will eventually get better and better gaming as the console grows. BIG difference, some can't see it, but it's blatant.
Why ANY GAME selling 1 million or over is good for the industry.
This is hardly good for the industry though good for consumers. For the last week Left for Dead 2 could be found just about anywhere for $25-30 for pc and $30 to $35 for 360. Having to slash games to half price a week and a half after release can't be good. Sure sales are up but the profits have to be way down.
Of course its good for the industry that a game with no single-player, and relying mainly on co-op, resuing a 5-year old graphics and physics engine and complete absence of any semblance of a plot sold 2 million. Low development costs and high profits, what else would you want? The only ones who would be pissed at this are the developers who actually work hard to create an exceptional game. Wonder what Naughty Dog and Insomniac think about this game and its ratings? Apparently, it’s a better game than Uncharted 1 (best story in any game in 2007 after Mass Effect, far superior graphics to L4D) and resistance 2. In other words, if Insomniac stripped out their single-player and 60-player multiplayer, made no attempt to have any story, downgraded the graphics and cut out the classes in coop that made their coop so addictive, the resulting game (which would be comparable to L4D) would actually be a better game. If only they knew, would have saved 75% of their development costs If you own a PS3, dont just complain about this game here and be labelled a "fanboy" - go out and buy Uncharted 2, Ratchet CIT, Killzone 2 and support games that shame L4D and all that it stands for.
I love Uncharted 1 and 2 but the sum of L4D parts is greater than the whole. The NUMBER ONE thing that should be scored in any game is if it's fun to play. L4D and it's sequel are tons of fun to play.
2 Million. So that signifies the most ineffective fanboycott ever huh? Hilarious. And anyone who hasn't played the game and is saying it's little more than an expansion is 100% ignorant.
nice ownage lol
and make the PS3 version NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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