HD-DVD is not going to win this format war. In fact, one of two things is possible right now: Either Blu-ray will win, or neither format will win. But the best HD-DVD can hope for is to just keep hanging in the game as long as possible.
The only thing you should beware of is this awful article on how some guy likes blu-ray and doesnt like that this other guy likes hd-dvd
just ask WALMART...they are coming out with their own WALMART HDDVD drive
Are you serious? Did you read the entire article? Do you know anything about thedigitalbits.com?
While I was prepared to be a bit critical of this news item (at first it sounded only like more scaremongering), I read the article and was suitably impressed with their thoroughness. I would suggest you take a step back and try again. There's more fact than opinion in there, which is probably what's upset some of the people below.
These guys aren't just a bunch of fanboys blowing smoke out of their collective butt. Whether or not you agree with their *recommendation*, they do know what they're talking about.
It is a fact HD-DVD has no chance of winning this war?
I said the article had more facts in it than opinion, I didn't say it was the freakin' gospel.
Geezus, media literacy and reading comprehension truly suffer when you throw a keyboard and monitor into the fray.
If HDDVD is going to lose, why has BuenaVista decided to start making HDDVD and Bluray movies? Digibits left that piece of information out.
Looks like it was written by a PS3 fanboy
Which you would expect from a biased point of view. I hope that people who have certain older Blu-ray stand-alones know they are screwed when it come to accessing interactive features on upcoming blu-ray discs because of the lack of standardization from the release of blu-ray, thats what happens when you bypass the dvd forum that is there to stop this sort of thing from happening and therefore protecting the consumer!
HD DVD did not let this happen.
Oh. here we go again. lol
this war was over the day the PS3 came out! and I mean over!
Yea, over for the PS3 lol. Nobody wants one of those overpriced worthless machines, no games. Absolutely no reason to blow $600 on that bulky piece of overhyped junk. HD is cheaper and more people will buy an HD player because of the price, not to mention there is no difference between the 2 in picture quality you moron. HD movies are even coming down in price and HD cable is dominating. Do the math people, HD aint going nowhere and either is DVD! PS3 can suck it!
Madmax is...very mad.
I'm not sure who is going to win but I have a good idea. One side has more studio support and more players out there (PS3's).
Christmas is coming and parents are not going to have a problem dropping $30 on a bluray whatsoever. The price of bluray discs will probably fall a bit more also this Christmas because of stores trying to get people in.
Christmas and Black Friday are going to tell a lot.
Look down the list for people with one bubble, they have all the answers. :S
Personally I don't know who will win and I won't support either until it has been decided. I won't be buying a PS3 anytime soon since there are no games that interest me yet and if some games do come out that interest me, they will most likely be coming out on the 360 as well, so from the looks of it, I might never get a PS3. OK, time to get my game on.
" - this war was over the day the PS3 came out! and I mean over! "
If thats the case then, the next gen console was over teh day xbox360 came out.
ppl who buy hd-dvd have a problem. blu-ray will win, thats for sure.
No one is going to win you dipshits. HD-DVD and Blu-ray still only own freakin 2% of the market. By the time either one "wins" (when dvd is out of the picture) through the pipe movies will be all over the place. Look at how successful the video marketplace on the 360 is. Also, I love how everyone turns this into a console debate. Who the hell cares. How many stand alone players does everyone here own. Those are the people I want to hear from. Not the losers who buy thier consoles for movies instead of games.
i have 8 hd-dvd movies.
im on the losing team then am i ?
there is nothing wrong with blu-ray disc's.
its the monopoly sony have on the format that puts me of.
i want cheap movies.
and if there is no competition that wont happen.
this is what sony keeps trying to do.
establish a format and claim royaltys.
dvd, vhs isnt sony...thank god.
but they keep trying...mini disc, bata max, memory stick, umd ect....
if sony win they get a cut, this keeps the price up.
you pay on average 10$ more for HD-DVD then blu-ray?
Either way ... it's not like you're going to loose. You're always going to have what you bought and, if you're forced to by something else, it won't be for a while. By that time price shouldn't be as big of an issue.
Like with DVD now or VHS back then? You make no sense, Sony doesn't own every blu-ray disc made. Get real! Blu-ray has more movies and backers so it will win. In 5 years time the blu-ray movies will cost the same as a dvd. Stop worrying!
I hope you guys realize the main reason studios went HD/BD was because they wanted more money per DVD sale.
Currently if you sale at MSRP a retailer might make $3-5 bucks off a DVD sale.
If you price match with Best Buy then you might make a $1 per DVD sale.
If you price match against Wal-Mart you'll probably lose about a $1 per DVD sale.
Both HD and BD had to promise to keep the prices high for a certain amount of time before it gets to the point of DVD's today. I doubt 5 yrs was in that contract..probably more like 8-10 yrs.
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Most HD-DVD's are hybrid discs now so thats the reason for the price difference.
It's like buying a std DVD and HD-DVD on one disc.
BD should follow suit.
We'll know this Christmas. Anybody buying in before than is taking a risk. Anyways, price is always the deciding factor. I'm not even choosing anything right now, there's no need to when I get all my DVDs upscaled to HD.
$300 - Samsung HD-A2 HD-DVD
$600 - PS3 or BR player
Just to clarify, Blu Ray can NOT make BD/DVD disks because when Sony went about making their format, they intentionally went around the DVD Forum. which might i add, was made to stop format wars like this from happening. so thats why its call Blu Ray DISK...not, Blu Ray DVD.. Toshiba took their format to the DVD forum and had them approve their format first. hence why its call HD DVD...
My IQ just dropped a little.
my brain! my brain! AHHHHHHH basically.
see the lil links? click one and it gives you the option....
Very good read.
The war is pretty much over, but some people jsut don't know when to back out, like in Vietnam for instance.
BUT who has won, I would say blu-ray, but HD DVD sales are on the up too.....
based upon what? that blu ray is each month only outselling hd dvd by like 5k-10k units?
Or that hd dvd stand alone players sell more then blu ray stand alone players?
Or because blu rays media sales only went up because the ps3 buyers had no games to play so had to get some thing to justify the 600 dollar purchase?
The war is far from over.
I have plenty of games to play and I have bought movies too! There are games to play a plenty and stop comparing games and movies. They are both media but you don't say that about cd's. Look everyone cd's are selling more to be played on the ps3 so that means it doesn't have any games or movies anymore. Thats a stupid conclusion.
who is approving these god-awful articles?
It is kind of bias, but good read nevertheless.
I dont care but I think blu-ray will win this war
are you moving into the high definition television era ?
then hd-dvd is for you.
your favorite movies now in hd.
welcome to high definition.
This is hard to read. Like a bible.
I have a question for any 1080p tv owners on N4g. How good is an upscaled DVD movie, compared to a movie filmed in 1080p and viewed in 1080p?
Surely it's not as good? I tried viewing a dvd on my pc monitor. I had it upscaled to 720p and I could not tell the difference.(from regular DVD)
Maybe this is because my monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050? So it was 'zoomed in'?
Only titles I will have in both DVD and Blu-Ray will be "Coming to America." Still, DVD upscale is nothing like true HD. It gives a good picture, but not nearly as good as HD. Especially, with a 50+ screen.
upscaled is nicer then standard 480p or 480i but 1080p still blows it away. I've compared this on the PS3 upscaling vs a Blu-ray disc and also on the HD-DVD add on for the xbox 360 which comes in at 1080i on my tv. I also own a phillips 1080p upscaling Dvd Player and its still no where near as good as Blu-ray and HD-Dvd. But you also have to consider the size of the TV i have a 65in 1080p so i can tell there is a big difference but on smaller tv's it may be less noticeable.
No Movies are filmed in 1080p
^^^WTH YOU ON PCP?^^^
Most big time film makers use Panavision camera systems.
Most film makers still use the old 35mm and 16mm Panavision camera system.
These films are not 1080p.
Panavision HD 900F camera is HD somewhere between 720p-1080p.
It was used in Attack of the Clones. GL used a Sony Plus8Digital in the Revenge of the Sith.
HD 900F also shot:
DEBS and SpyKids 2
Panavision Genesis camera sys shoots just under 2k for a 1080p feature film.
Superman Returns (first to use the new camera sys)
Scary Movie 4
1080p film making is still not widespread because it's still cheaper to film using the old tried and true and then film the CGI scenes with a RED 4k camera sys. rental or Genesis 2k rental.
Wow do you know what your talking about? First if and I stress IF you have a good up conversion dvd player then you wont really see a difference. Philips makes a crappy upconversion player always stuttering and stopping so the player can buffer the images. If your going to get a upconversion player then get an OPPO upconversion dvd player. The best upconversion player out there. Saying you used the PS3's upconversion player or Xbox360's upconversion abilities or using a walmart brand is ridiculous to say the least. I already tried a comparison and side by side if you calibrated your tv correctly(since not a lot of people do) then you wont really see a difference, the only time is when your sitting real close on the BR/HDDVD you wont see a lot of pixilation while on the upconverted you tend to see them. Good job trying to know what your talking about,
HD-DVD is selling pretty good I dont hear a drought of movies coming anytime soon so I'm suppose to be scared? If it losses what do my HD-DVD's dissapear or what? No I will still watch them I mean there Hight Def movies. Most of the movies out on BR are just popcorn flicks bang bang explosion explosion most of the movies are really boring and most people just watch them once. Br does have Disney/Pixar which I'm thinking will save them for a while. Plus "Christmas is coming" wow ya its coming but for how long? 6 months good job there buddy.
The the 360 is awesome!!
Thanks for disagreeing!
This fanboy who wrote this artical is a biased doosh bag!
The article has nothing even to do with video game partisanship, and yet you call the author a 'fanboy'? So, using your logic, anyone who disagrees on one particular subject (w/o using rhetoric) is automatically a fanboy?
Dude, please grow up or get out of your parents' basement for once.
The bottom line is HD DVD is not winning. Thats what the guy was bringing out. Warner was exclusive they went neutral, Universal and porn the only one left and porn already switchin. If no one wins no one wins but there is no way HD-DVD wins. As more people buy high def tv sets, more ppl will buy high def players too its common sense. I don't feel this article was written by a biased fanboy just try to expand ur brain and see beyong your narrow view points
Your a fanboy.... Dooosh
Its hard to know for sure people will buy whats cheap ad gets the job done...the only reason this article is posted and were having this debate is bc of the ps3 if it was built in no-one would care and they would chalk it up as another Sony format that would eventually go sour.
As far as a war being over or soon-to-be your wrong as long as you go to the store and a a BLU-Ray/HD-DVD movies are 35 bucks you got another thing comin i mean seriously. This holiday will say alot. Sony should be wandering how the recent blu-player price drop is going to effect PS3 sales i know tons of people that bought pS3's bc it was the cheapest player.
I know bc i dont agree with this article im gonna get disagreed with flamed whatever the point is neither is a clear cut winner until DVD is out of the way. The title of this article should have both formats in it
HD-dvd cant compete against the ps3, its really quite simple
the only hope for hd-dvd is if they keep it alive and then include it in the next xbox/nintendo concole
but these format wars are annoying and i hope blu-ray crushes it
not because i own a ps3 but because i like simple standards what consumers will know
PS3 isn't really putting out all that great numbers in case anyone noticed.
HD DVD has a good chance of winning this thing. They're definatley the underdog though. Porn will have an impact on this race I beleive, and Sony's refusal to support porn won't help the BR camp.
Our narrow viewpoints? Did you read that article? He basically justified all of his claims that Blu-Ray would win on opinions. Then turned around and said it was wrong for the other guy to do the same. The dude who wrote this article is straight up retarded. I really feel slower after I read that one.
Total garbage- the format war is so far from over. Both sides have plenty of life left in them. BR is gay though I can't stand Sony's attempts to establish a monopoly.
EDIT: Maybe it would be bad for the consumer? Monopolies aren't usually good for people looking for a fairly priced product. Why do I get hated on for supporting HD DVD and not being a droid and accepting a format just because it on my console.
When has Sony tried to become a monopoly? You talking about Big Money MarcoHard right? Sony tried to side along with Nintendo before they made the PS themselves. Sony sided along with Toshiba when it came to DVD. Just because they made a HD format own their own, they are trying to monopolizes the industry? Get the *#&$ out of here! Sony is not perfect, but they mostly provide very good products that people like myself like. I like the Xbox, but I like my PS a bit more. Bias? Yes. Gay fanboy? I rather be call a fanman thank you. BOO-YAAA
Whoever wins the format war will have a monopoly. Did Toshiba having a monopoly with DVD mean anything? Nope. I am curious why you don't want Sony to have a monopoly? Can you explain how Sony winning this time around would be bad? How would it be different then if Toshiba got the monopoly? Its one thing to make a statement like that and another to back it up with actual logic.
Though I won't deny that Sony is trying to expand its business on many fronts as much as possible, I think your high on something if you believe that MS isn't on the same boat. Evidence? Why the hell do you think that MS entered the console business, despite their "near monopoly" (let me guess, you have a MS software in your computer, right?) control of PC home and office software. The answer? MS is also trying to gain a "near monopoly" control of the "other" computer business: Video games!
If you have purchased Blu-ray or HD-DVD movies you can still watch them on the player you have even if either of the format fails. To hear some people talk its like if the format is not successful the movies you own will expire and not be viewable anymore.
Blu-ray > HD-DVD
Grade = A+ and a sticker star.
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that was a long article, but the guy really had a point just look how the blue-ray is selling since the ps3 came out wat was it 58%blue-ray to 32%HD-DVD lol thats a huge gap give it another month and it will be 80 to 20 and i dont have a ps3 and i aint a sony fan boy i am just a guy that realises what true quality is.
58% + 32% = 90% ?
Where is the other 10%?
Just thought I'd point that out.
Experts who have seen them both say blu ray is much better quality, it delivers a better result. Blu ray has more movie studious supporting it. Why the hell would people want a lesser product to win? I want the format that delivers the best picture to win. That's it.
People talk crap about fanboys when they are the fanboys. I heard someone mention the XBOX 360 downloading service, WTF does that have anything to do with it? I don't know a lot about that but are they saying that everything will be saved on hard drive instead of renting discs? How much hard drive space do you need to have all your movie collection? I think that's f**ken stupid, I don't see that anytime soon.
actually both deliver the same result, picture wise. The only difference might be the lossless "true-HD" audio tracks that are on some of the BluRay releases, but as no affordable AV Receiver yet supports the format this is rather a mood point.
That more studios support BluRay is only a political decision by the studios, cause frankly NO ONE in the industry likes Toshiba and their DVD monopoly on current gen.
I decided based on the movies i wanted, and as i wanted Casino Royal the decision for a PS3 as player was a fast one.
HD-DVD has the better picture quality with the VC-1 codec and early BR movies look like crap compared to HD-DVD. But now BR has adopted the VC-1 codec and the quality is the same as HD-DVD. Even this article stated that.
I think the article brings up some great points. Blu-ray has the big advantage of studio support. As long as BR has the movies people want it will dominate.
But for me, I don't care who wins because digital media distribution is what I'm about. Who wants to have a couple hundred disc's taking up space? yuck..
For me: Digital Media Distribution > Blu-Ray > HD-DVD
Things I don't like about HD and BD.
At 1080p you notice things like when the film stock and camera changes..or when their is low light.
Inside the thing looks awesome but when the film maker uses a low light stock we get a grainy type back drop. In 480p you don't see this transition.
Most LCD HD TV's are still too slow for action sports viewing. You tend to see a slight white trail following a person in motion.(I noticed this in all the $2-3k models) Plasma is better in this respect, but isn't very reliable and tend to fail within 3 yrs on avg.
I'm currently looking at DLP...I just wish it had better color saturation like a plasma.
no beating around the bush.bluray is the better format.
it can use the same codecs.
it holds more content.
it is more supported.
it has more manufacturer support.
the price of movies is about the same.
where is the article wrong?microsoft wants to be one of the biggest media providers.but so does sony.so does apple.that's business.
sony relented previously,but now they have a better disc backed by more companies.and sales of bluray movies in less than a year is now outselling hd-dvd 2 to 1.sometimes 3 to 1.
he's right.it's either you hate sony or you bought the wrong product.
...or BluRay and DVD only own 2% of the market and this is a really stupid war that only hurts ALL consumers in the end.
And BluRay techniaclly CAN support the same formats, but it generally does not due to licensing and other odd issues, meaning HD-DVD is often superior in audio and video. As well as still being cheaper.
Many people bought HD-DVD because the player cost half the price, had movies they wanted, and said movies were also a few bucks cheaper. In general, you buy HD-DVD if you're a videophile or are concerned about your wallet.
Just because you disagree with there VALID point's doesn't mean its total garbage. Great post.
this is one of the best HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray articles I've read in some time. Whether you're in or out of the Hi-Def race, the format war has become more relevant now more than ever. With the HD TV sales moving along at a good clip and HD drive palyers dropping in prices by the second it seems, this is a good time to be in the market if you're so inclined. The one area that I took away from the article was:
-- "Simply put: If you're still not quite ready to get into high-def discs, then sit tight a little longer. The prices, selection and features of both hardware and software will all improve in the months ahead. On the other hand, if and when you ARE ready to get into high-def discs... we say Go Blu. It's really a no brainer, folks.
So yes... Blu-ray Disc is now officially the high-def format of choice for The Digital Bits. In the same way that we recommended everyone chose anamorphic widescreen DVDs over the alternative, we think you'll come to appreciate this advice in the months and years ahead as well.
To those of you who happen to disagree with us, favoring HD-DVD instead, more power to you and we respect your decision. We raise our glasses to you. (Skol, friends!)" --
Yeah, I can see where people would think this guy is some kind of Sony fanboy, but if you really take what he is saying at face value, he's just dissecting the facts and stats. I think SNE has a huge leg up with the PS3 trojan horse in this race, but as long as HD-DVD is out there lurking -- it just can't be counted out. Yet.