R&C is probably one of the best platformers this gen. There's no reason to stop specially not becuase of stupid fanboys accusing them of milking it. Milking is releasing TWO games in ONE year. They release R&C every TWO years.
Even if everyone milks franchises I rather have them either constantly create new IP (but of course, everyone wants more of the same sometimes), or milk the resistance franchise. I love resistance. Well, I hope they make another "mature" game. I hope they are making Sony's response to Fable.
Shouldn't you only be accused of milking a franchise if your games start to suck? With the exception of Deadlocked, every main R&C sequel has been better than the last.
Hmm Maybe I missed it but I really didn't see alot of criticism over the series and people accusing them of milking. In fact, milking and R&C never really came up in my mind.
No way is it overmilked The enemies, environments and especially the weapons always feel fresh and innovative with every game. Each game also introduces new gameplay elements to keep the action fresh (too much variety lol).
Over milked is mario, there hasn't been a good one since Super Mario 64, Galaxy failed so hard it wasn't even funny. The only Mario games should be the sidescrollers.
Saaking be fair... Ratchet and Clank TOD, Quest for Booty, Crack in Time... There are more R&C games altogether than there is Halo... Halo doesnt get milked
mal_tez92 I have to disagree, have you played and completed ACIT?
SMG is a better platformer, than ACIT, overall.
ACIT feels unfinished/lacking; well its obvious that they're coming short of ideas and this should be the last R&C. They should have spent more time on it to begin with.
ACIT also has a universal rating and there's less weapons/enemies.
However it will be milking, if they make another. I mean, what else can they do with it?
...and no Galaxy never failed, at least when playing the game, it feels as if I'm actually running on a moon/planet and gravity does actually play a part, when you look down in ACIT from WAAAAy high up, you'll know what I'm speaking about.
All I know is that if A Crack In Time hadn't come out this year, my year would have been all the worse for it. And I would have missed out on one of my favorite gaming experiences of the year.
Just proving that theres more R&C games than Halo games... Its fact... Thats all... To be honest I dont think either franchise is milked within the context of GAME RELEASES... Halo mountain dew etc is excessive BUT as far as GAMES go its hardly milked at all... Like I said even R&C has more games than it
Even with so many Ratchet games, they are still great. I wouldn't mind though if they try something new besides Resistance and Ratchet. It would be interesting to see what they come up with as the are a very capable developer.
@-GametimeUK- Every R&C game is a platforming and shooter crossover.
R&C only expansion pack wasn't sold as a full priced stand alone game.
R&C don't have mountain dew cans, bottles or t-shirts.
R%C don't have tabble games, comic books and whatnot merchandising people call "exapanding the franchise".
R&C is made to meet fans expectations, not put out in any condition because anything with R&C on top will sell.
That is why Halo sequels in 360 are milking and R&C isn't! Don't get me wrong I use to love Halo on Xbox, Halo 1 was better than 2 IMHO but 2 was good and bring worth news. Halo 3 through was a letdown, I won't even comment on Wars or ODST, too damn easy. But I really hope Bungie get it right for Reach.
[TOTALLY OFF TOPIC!]
Now, that we are talking about milking. Sony should totally milk its franchises and rip-off Ninty and make a crossover of it's franchises like in Smash Bros. They could use character from:
Ratchet & Clank Jak & Dexter Wild Arms Sly Cooper Ape Scape PaRappa The Rapper/UmJammer Lammy Blasto (RIP Phil Hartman) Tomba (but not sure if Fujiwara would like it) Jumping Flash (Robbit or Muumuus) God of War Syphon Filter (Gabe and Lian) Uncharted (Nate) Twisted Metal (Sweet Tooth, Calypso would make it an AO rated lol) Patapon (those 'eye-guys' could randomly change weapon) LBP (Sack Boy, it could have no own moves, but copy other characters moves/weapons, like some chars in Soul Calibur series)
Those are just some from the top of my head. Funny how I didn't intend on listing anything at first, but now that I did it, it just feels Sony should totally bring back some of those franchises... Oh my 90's... *tear drops*
EDIT: Forgot about ICO, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, Folklore, InFamous... Games with remakable characters that could make it to a crossover.
definition of milking.... from my personal point of view...to milk a franchise is to make a game in practically every genre. To be honest, I would say mario has been milked. Racing, sports, party, rpg, platform, fighting, etc...
The day rachet and halo get sports titles or any other dedicated genre bending title other than their respected genres is when they would officially be "milked".
To me milking is when they start making crappy games to cash in on the name. If it is a good game and there is demand, then that isn't really milking it. It is catering to consumers!
Any wise business would do that, so I don't understand why people keep saying Halo is milked, now they are saying R&C is milked. I wonder when we are seeing Resistance 3, are they also calling that milked?
If it sells, and people enjoy it, it is NOT milking in my book!
R&C is not being milked... Halo is definitely be milked for what it's worth...after 1-3 pretty much every title has been sub-par except to the biggest fanboys. I'm just glad I have friends smart enough not to buy the Halo expansion pack for $60. The ones that did sure weren't happy. Keep on releasing R&C as long as the story and gameplay is still good. GO INSOMNIAC!
Its only milking if the gmaes aint quality.. But Ratchet games are!
I do think that downloadable quest for booty one was a bit sub-par to be honest (prehaps fitting in with the milking criticism), the frame rate seem to jutter slightly every time you jump - not a good thing for a platformer and they don't seem to have any cutscenes other than narration which is a bit of an annoyance. The whole package just seems a bit below thier usual high standards but thier full releases are AMAZING!
I really dont see likely a collection of RnC PS2 games for the PS3 PS3 has 3 installments of RnC, if you want to get the RnC action is already there, unlike GoW 3 which arrives march 2010 with no prviews PS3 titles.
Now MGS series on the other hand, that would be sweet, and Ico and SotC too much to ask?
Unlike others cough*IW*cough..... ....Insomniac can actually make every sequel better than the last. That is a tall order especially after so many but they can pull it off. Insomniac are great developers in my opinion.
@Ares84PS3 Your right 100%, i might got some Disagrees, but look at Insomniac Games track record every game or new IP that they make out if nowhere is always AAA Quality, and have been very supportive of the PS3 since day one, and still don't get the respect they deserve.
They dont get the respect... Hpw does Imsomniac Stacks up to Naughty Dog (aka Naughty Gods), Santa Monica, Guerilla Games, Media Molecule, because i see Imsomniad one level below those guys. Imsomniac is an awesome developer house, but are they the cream at the top?
Call of Duty - Incredible Call of Duty: Finest Hour - Even better! Call of Duty 2 - Regarded by many to be the best WW2 shooter of all-time. Call of Duty 4: MW - Redefined FPS's...campaign AND multi-player were phenomenal Call of Duty MW2 - Perfected Multi-player, as far as I'm concerned. Even though the campaign was short, it was AMAZING! The production values were much higher than in 4 and it had a storyline I cared about! I also got connected with the characters. Loved it!
I've had this game for almost 3 weeks now and I still haven't completed it. The game is just so big and it's probably the biggest R&C game I have ever played.
Anyway's how is this milking when every instalment to the franchise has so much quality in them?
Just stick to the story and see how big the game is. The side missions does not take long to complete, more like repetitions.
I reached the end of the game in ACIT in four days -without playing like crazy
I reached the end of the game in TOD in a week (7) days- without playing like crazy
I was juggling up UC2 & DS
With TOD, I was playing Valkyria Chronicles.
Here is the REAL Problem with Insomniac The problem isn't that people should be using the word "milkage". If anything, R&C is recycled gameplay.
Not that there is anything wrong with that though-- sure the franchise is getting old, and maybe its run its course, but they said it perfectly: the game is still GREAT.
Why stop something that is great to please people who don't LIKE it?
If you don't like it don't play it, no need to end the fun for those who DO like it.
However, here is the REAL criticism I have. They spend a good time making R&C games, but why not make a new IP?
NOT Resistance... I hated Resistance personally. Insomniac is known for being fun, light hearted, and funny, not being serious like Resistance was. Not to mention that it was a FPS which means all Insomniac did was add to the over-saturated genre.
I know Insomniac can make a new great series-- I'd love for them to can R&C to see what else they can begin to offer.
Three things. 1, I'd say Insomniac are every bit the equal of the other first/second party Sony devsthey jsust hamstring themselves by being so nice to the fans and to Sony. Who had to rush their game for PPS3 release when noone else really bothered?Inconiac with FoM and we get a game from them every year without fail(alternating between Resistance and Ratchet. If they only had one IP this gen then fair enough, they might be approaching U2 quality but they haven't, as yet given themselves the chance, imo.
2,Yes, they will have two games on the go as that's wbnhy they built/bought the third studio-fully expect reveals of R3 and the mooted action/rpg this E3. Bet on it.
3, Milked? R&C? Fekk off. Just go-there's the fekkin door PLEASE allow it to smack you on the arse on the way out. Milked, my hary sack.
Enjoy what you have. Seems like many people are nit picking which franchise is milking to them, "Oh this game is gay", or "Another one?" Why can't people enjoy games for what they are, entertainment. I still remember playing the first R&C and the first Halo and many other first whatever. They were all great games, although I prefer the Halo series more. I say, just sit down and enjoy what game you play regardless of what series or console its from.
No doubt Halo is milking when it comes to advertising, but game wise it only has 6 in the series. But you have to consider Halo's fanbase compared to R&C's. Im not saying R&C doesn't have one, its just Halo has a bigger one. And when Microsoft advertises the newest Halo game or Halo w/e, you can count on Halo fans to buy that product. IMHO I guess that is where Xbox Live comes in, they probably use that all that money towards all the ads, like for multiplat games especially, its usually only advertised for the 360 as opposed to the ps3. Regardless, I am a proud owner of both ps3 and 360, and enjoy all the games they have to offer, milked or not.
If developers stay true to a franchise by releasing good sequels everytime without cutting corners or improving over the last one then I don't see why it would be called milking...
If you start to see lazy sequels with not even a slight improvement or addition and on top of that they start to move the franchise to other genres, then it would be appropriate to call it "milking".
Doing marketing with products not even related to gaming falls under a very thin line, but I think that doing crappy sequels with nothing new is the stronger trait of milking here.
I don't understand this milking crap. If you're a fan of the franchise, then great, more of what you love. If not, move on, simple as that. Why does anyone really care if they don't play the games for said franchise. I'm tired of hearing this crap about COD, Halo, R&C, Mario, etc being milked. I'm pretty sure all that's happening is the Devs are giving their fanbase more of what they love. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If people stopped buying it, Devs would stop making it. Don't blame them because they have a job to do and a family to support.
ratchet and clank are hands down some of the most enjoyable games you can play. People who are complaining are the same people who don't buy the games. I enjoy the games so i buy them. If insomniac wanted to make 3 new ratchet and clank games next year i'd still be excited to play them.
Each game has clever dialog, a good story and they always introduce new weapons.
Keep em coming Insomniac!!
i think there's nothing wrong with making a new game in a series every year as long as there are notable changes or if it's an extension of the storyline. (this excludes guitar hero of course though)
there not milking it and even if they were then its justify becuase its in a genre where theres like no games being made for it the only excpetion is the wii but the ps3/x360 doesnt have many platformers and also theres been 2 R&C games and they were 2 years apart and they released dlc side story priced as 15 bucks. halo has had halo3, halo wars, halo odst, and soon halo reach in less then 4 years in a overdone genre and all priced at 60 with odst only being a single player 5 hr experience and the graphics of those games still look like halo 2 lol. ratchet and clank story, graphics, gameplay improved tramedously and looks unbelivable. Its pure quality and has a comedic twist in a dieying genere.
The only movement I didn't like about R&C was Quest For Booty, a nonsense 4 hours game/expansion that would have been better including in this new game or giving for free as DLC for users of the previous game.
Halo....with the last 2 games ODST and HW....supreme milking....I mean just down right rip off milking
COD.....this is the biggest cow I have ever seen....and the MW game I am playing is so meh (SP is short and just a bunch of scenarios melded together...a 4th grader type unimaginative type story....pure crap) 9vs9,,,,,,only 2 in SpecOps....this is a lol joke (I am enjoying special ops..but only 2 lmao)
The most milked franchise= DYNASTY WARRIORS. Why? ...Least amount of changes from iteration to iteration. congratulations Koei. However i am guilty of enjoying dynasty warriors.
You can't put Call of Duty & Rock Band with Halo!!! Infinity Ward work their butts off to bring us a fantastic game and all you guys can do is complain!
The same goes for Harmonix and Rock Band. They went through more research to make The Beatles Rock Band than almost any studio has for any game. Guitar Hero is milked. Rock Band is legendary.
If the fans feel that it's being milked, they'll say so with their wallets... ... if the games are still consistently good, then no one is going to complain about it.
I don't see anyone complaining this much about Street Fighter... how many of those have we played over the years?
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I rather have them either constantly create new IP (but of course, everyone wants more of the same sometimes), or milk the resistance franchise. I love resistance. Well, I hope they make another "mature" game. I hope they are making Sony's response to Fable.
Maybe I missed it but I really didn't see alot of criticism over the series and people accusing them of milking. In fact, milking and R&C never really came up in my mind.
The enemies, environments and especially the weapons always feel fresh and innovative with every game. Each game also introduces new gameplay elements to keep the action fresh (too much variety lol).
Over milked is mario, there hasn't been a good one since Super Mario 64, Galaxy failed so hard it wasn't even funny.
The only Mario games should be the sidescrollers.
SMG is a better platformer, than ACIT, overall.
ACIT feels unfinished/lacking; well its obvious that they're coming short of ideas and this should be the last R&C. They should have spent more time on it to begin with.
ACIT also has a universal rating and there's less weapons/enemies.
However it will be milking, if they make another. I mean, what else can they do with it?
...and no Galaxy never failed, at least when playing the game, it feels as if I'm actually running on a moon/planet and gravity does actually play a part, when you look down in ACIT from WAAAAy high up, you'll know what I'm speaking about.
R&C, Going Commando, Up your arsenal, Deadlocked, Size matters, Secret agent clank, Tools of destruction, quest for booty, crack in time...
Yeah more R&C games... Its more milked than Halo
BTW isn't HALO marketed into other products everywhere in America? So what does that say about the game?
Every R&C game is a platforming and shooter crossover.
R&C only expansion pack wasn't sold as a full priced stand alone game.
R&C don't have mountain dew cans, bottles or t-shirts.
R%C don't have tabble games, comic books and whatnot merchandising people call "exapanding the franchise".
R&C is made to meet fans expectations, not put out in any condition because anything with R&C on top will sell.
That is why Halo sequels in 360 are milking and R&C isn't! Don't get me wrong I use to love Halo on Xbox, Halo 1 was better than 2 IMHO but 2 was good and bring worth news. Halo 3 through was a letdown, I won't even comment on Wars or ODST, too damn easy. But I really hope Bungie get it right for Reach.
[TOTALLY OFF TOPIC!]
Now, that we are talking about milking. Sony should totally milk its franchises and rip-off Ninty and make a crossover of it's franchises like in Smash Bros. They could use character from:
Ratchet & Clank
Jak & Dexter
Wild Arms
Sly Cooper
Ape Scape
PaRappa The Rapper/UmJammer Lammy
Blasto (RIP Phil Hartman)
Tomba (but not sure if Fujiwara would like it)
Jumping Flash (Robbit or Muumuus)
God of War
Syphon Filter (Gabe and Lian)
Uncharted (Nate)
Twisted Metal (Sweet Tooth, Calypso would make it an AO rated lol)
Patapon (those 'eye-guys' could randomly change weapon)
LBP (Sack Boy, it could have no own moves, but copy other characters moves/weapons, like some chars in Soul Calibur series)
Those are just some from the top of my head. Funny how I didn't intend on listing anything at first, but now that I did it, it just feels Sony should totally bring back some of those franchises... Oh my 90's... *tear drops*
EDIT: Forgot about ICO, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, Folklore, InFamous... Games with remakable characters that could make it to a crossover.
from my personal point of view...to milk a franchise is to make a game in practically every genre. To be honest, I would say mario has been milked. Racing, sports, party, rpg, platform, fighting, etc...
The day rachet and halo get sports titles or any other dedicated genre bending title other than their respected genres is when they would officially be "milked".
Criticism goes to Insomniac for R&C, but nobody dare to criticize or say anything about COD and GH
If it is a good game and there is demand, then that isn't really milking it. It is catering to consumers!
Any wise business would do that, so I don't understand why people keep saying Halo is milked, now they are saying R&C is milked. I wonder when we are seeing Resistance 3, are they also calling that milked?
If it sells, and people enjoy it, it is NOT milking in my book!
The PSP versions were not done by Insomniac.
Really?
Unlike Sonic where everyone screams in agony and they continue to make more.
Halo is definitely be milked for what it's worth...after 1-3 pretty much every title has been sub-par except to the biggest fanboys. I'm just glad I have friends smart enough not to buy the Halo expansion pack for $60. The ones that did sure weren't happy. Keep on releasing R&C as long as the story and gameplay is still good. GO INSOMNIAC!
Umm...R&C games aren't half-assed, overhyped games like Halo games are anymore.
And...umm...it's kind of news to me that there WERE criticisms about the franchise being milked. First I'M hearing about them.
I do think that downloadable quest for booty one was a bit sub-par to be honest (prehaps fitting in with the milking criticism), the frame rate seem to jutter slightly every time you jump - not a good thing for a platformer and they don't seem to have any cutscenes other than narration which is a bit of an annoyance. The whole package just seems a bit below thier usual high standards but thier full releases are AMAZING!
How are they milking Ratchet?
This is the Best Ratchet yet. If this is how Insomniac milks their franchises, they need to turn into a dairy farm.
anyway, only haters complain about milking, unless they're joking like i do with Halo :)
a franchise is for fans and fans always want more, i mean what fan would want it to stop?
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Halo isn't getting milked
Final Fantasy isn't getting milked
It's only milked if the games suck (Sonic, Mega Man, ect.)
well put sir.
i want ratchet remasters all on one blu-ray, i never played them on ps2
Yes sir !! :)
PS3 has 3 installments of RnC, if you want to get the RnC action is already there, unlike GoW 3 which arrives march 2010 with no prviews PS3 titles.
Now MGS series on the other hand, that would be sweet, and Ico and SotC
too much to ask?
That is a great idea for a compellation remastered release like GoW collection set.
It won't happen though. That's why they are on my Christmas list.
....Insomniac can actually make every sequel better than the last. That is a tall order especially after so many but they can pull it off. Insomniac are great developers in my opinion.
Your right 100%, i might got some Disagrees, but look at Insomniac Games
track record every game or new IP that they make out if nowhere is always AAA Quality, and have been very supportive of the PS3 since day one, and still don't get the respect they deserve.
Hpw does Imsomniac Stacks up to Naughty Dog (aka Naughty Gods), Santa Monica, Guerilla Games, Media Molecule, because i see Imsomniad one level below those guys. Imsomniac is an awesome developer house, but are they the cream at the top?
Infinity Ward:
Call of Duty - Incredible
Call of Duty: Finest Hour - Even better!
Call of Duty 2 - Regarded by many to be the best WW2 shooter of all-time.
Call of Duty 4: MW - Redefined FPS's...campaign AND multi-player were phenomenal
Call of Duty MW2 - Perfected Multi-player, as far as I'm concerned. Even though the campaign was short, it was AMAZING! The production values were much higher than in 4 and it had a storyline I cared about! I also got connected with the characters. Loved it!
So, STFU!
Anyway's how is this milking when every instalment to the franchise has so much quality in them?
I reached the end of the game in ACIT in four days -without playing like crazy
I reached the end of the game in TOD in a week (7) days- without playing like crazy
I was juggling up UC2 & DS
With TOD, I was playing Valkyria Chronicles.
The problem isn't that people should be using the word "milkage". If anything, R&C is recycled gameplay.
Not that there is anything wrong with that though-- sure the franchise is getting old, and maybe its run its course, but they said it perfectly: the game is still GREAT.
Why stop something that is great to please people who don't LIKE it?
If you don't like it don't play it, no need to end the fun for those who DO like it.
However, here is the REAL criticism I have. They spend a good time making R&C games, but why not make a new IP?
NOT Resistance... I hated Resistance personally. Insomniac is known for being fun, light hearted, and funny, not being serious like Resistance was. Not to mention that it was a FPS which means all Insomniac did was add to the over-saturated genre.
I know Insomniac can make a new great series-- I'd love for them to can R&C to see what else they can begin to offer.
i wanna see a new IP from Insomniac too. some rumor said they are already working on 1 or 2 new games.
2,Yes, they will have two games on the go as that's wbnhy they built/bought the third studio-fully expect reveals of R3 and the mooted action/rpg this E3. Bet on it.
3, Milked? R&C? Fekk off. Just go-there's the fekkin door PLEASE allow it to smack you on the arse on the way out. Milked, my hary sack.
I say Halo
Seems like many people are nit picking which franchise is milking to them, "Oh this game is gay", or "Another one?" Why can't people enjoy games for what they are, entertainment. I still remember playing the first R&C and the first Halo and many other first whatever. They were all great games, although I prefer the Halo series more. I say, just sit down and enjoy what game you play regardless of what series or console its from.
Has Insomniac Milked there own Series. Look at the Amount of Music Games that Activision Published this year alone.
If you start to see lazy sequels with not even a slight improvement or addition and on top of that they start to move the franchise to other genres, then it would be appropriate to call it "milking".
Doing marketing with products not even related to gaming falls under a very thin line, but I think that doing crappy sequels with nothing new is the stronger trait of milking here.
i support you 100%
Each game has clever dialog, a good story and they always introduce new weapons.
Keep em coming Insomniac!!
i think there's nothing wrong with making a new game in a series every year as long as there are notable changes or if it's an extension of the storyline. (this excludes guitar hero of course though)
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the only excpetion is the wii but the ps3/x360 doesnt have many platformers and also theres been 2 R&C games and they were 2 years apart and they released dlc side story priced as 15 bucks. halo has had halo3, halo wars, halo odst, and soon halo reach in less then 4 years in a overdone genre and all priced at 60 with odst only being a single player 5 hr experience and the graphics of those games still look like halo 2 lol. ratchet and clank story, graphics, gameplay improved tramedously and looks unbelivable. Its pure quality and has a comedic twist in a dieying genere.
The only movement I didn't like about R&C was Quest For Booty, a nonsense 4 hours game/expansion that would have been better including in this new game or giving for free as DLC for users of the previous game.
COD.....this is the biggest cow I have ever seen....and the MW game I am playing is so meh (SP is short and just a bunch of scenarios melded together...a 4th grader type unimaginative type story....pure crap)
9vs9,,,,,,only 2 in SpecOps....this is a lol joke (I am enjoying special ops..but only 2 lmao)
so yea talk RnC..and recall the above milkers
DYNASTY WARRIORS. Why? ...Least amount of changes from iteration to iteration. congratulations Koei. However i am guilty of enjoying dynasty warriors.
It's nowhere near as bad as Halo, Call of Duty, Rock Band, etc.
But those tired franchises all get passes from our biased-as-hell media.
No.
Definitely not.
You can't put Call of Duty & Rock Band with Halo!!! Infinity Ward work their butts off to bring us a fantastic game and all you guys can do is complain!
The same goes for Harmonix and Rock Band. They went through more research to make The Beatles Rock Band than almost any studio has for any game. Guitar Hero is milked. Rock Band is legendary.
... if the games are still consistently good, then no one is going to complain about it.
I don't see anyone complaining this much about Street Fighter... how many of those have we played over the years?
should be the Final fantasy of the platforming genre.
Single handedly saving the platform game on non-Nintendo consoles? Yes.
Ratchet and Clank
Going Commando
Up your Arsenal
Deadlocked
Tools of Destruction
A Crack in Time
That's an average of 87.5/100 on the Metacritic ratings. That's actually exceptional.