Another Blu-ray Vs HD DVD article, this time from TVPredictions.com with more focus on TV and movies plus Pirates Vs Matrix.
I dont think either will win, unless blu ray really starts to dominate which it hasn't done, Oh people can pull out selling 2:1 3:1 but in reality the sales are much closer then people want to believe, blu ray sales in total world wide being only like 10-20K over hd dvd most months.
And HD DVD players are still on average outselling blu ray stand alone players, And the only reason for the upshoot of blu ray media sales is because of the ps3.
I personally dont use my ps3 to play blu ray movies, Not when i have most of the movies i want on either hd dvd combo discs or plain old dvds.
I'm not gonna pay upwards of 30 dollars for a thing if not more when all it does is play in my ps3, Where as my hd dvd combo discs i dont even use the hd dvd side but i do use the dvd side.
When a hd dvd/blu ray combo player is released which i think there is one, but one thats cheap then ill buy that. Till then I have no real need for HD Movies, My tv only supports up to 1080i, and my sound system doesn't support all the fancy standards hd dvd and blu ray support, or hdmi for that matter. So High def movies are just an useless expendature for me right now.
Edit: if the hd dvd addon for the 360 goes down in price ALOT *wish i had picked it up at sams club when it was 76 bux* then ill buy that and ill start picking up high def movies, That way i can get the movies i want instead of having to pick and choose because of a stupid format war, but it will still be an useless expendature because my sound system still doesn't support hdmi, or any of the sound standards, and my tv still only supports 480i/p, 720p/ 1080i.
Your downplaying the "Trojan Horse" that is the PS3. People like me bought the PS3 beacuse of the drive and the games. There are others who didn't care for the drive at all, and some who bought it for the cheap 1080p blu-ray drive alone. I've personally bought 5 blu-ray movies and will be buying more. My point is, you can't exclude the PS3 simply because it isn't a stand alone player.
Other then that, I pretty much agree with you. Even though blu-ray is leading, it's got a LONG way to go before becoming some sort of standard.
BTW: Pirates 1 and 2 look phenomenal.
I agree..MS should reduce the price of the HD player and i'm sure a good number of units will be sold. Right now its something which is not a priority on a gamers' list but if the price becomes attractive enough many will jump in. And we all know when the HDDvds are selling more and more the price will likely to come down.
had bolth.... right now im missing my hddvd player
Sony probably will win because they are forcing people to buy Bluray in PS3. All the fanboys want to believe that Bluray is needed for games. No its not. (You do realize a 2x Bluray drive is not very fast, and increases load times for games.) 360 has been doing it for almost 2 years without Bluray. It is marketing propaganda and it makes Playstation fanboys eyes light up whenever the word Bluray even comes up, like a deer in the headlights bc there system has Bluray alien technology, and no other system does. The cell processor and Bluray were engineered at the same time, approximately 4 years ago. The primary purpose of the PS3 is to play Bluray movies, not to play games. If it was you would have a plentiful supply. What you do have a supply of is Bluray movies. Isn't it convenient that a Bluray movie came packed in with the PS3(Talledega Nights) and not a game. Sony could care less if they come in 3rd this console generation as long as Bluray beats HDDVD. I don't know why anyone can't see this.
Fanboys you have to ask yourself.....Self..Would I have went out and bought a Bluray player if I didn't want PS3 and the answer is "No".
Everybody brings up the argument that PS3 is a good value bc most Bluray players cost $700 to $1000 dollars. Why? Because Sony deliberately inflated the prices of standalone units to make the PS3 price point more attractive to consumers. The only reason PS3 is expensive is bc of Bluray.
The facts are that PS3 makes up 96% of total Blurayplayers sold. Only 4% are standalone units. And the only reason the movie industry is backing Bluray is bc of PS3. The only reason there is even a format war is bc of Sony. HD DVD would have won a long time ago if Sony wouldn't have pulled this dirty trick. HDDVD stand alone units outsell Blu ray units every month on a ratio of 4 to 1 and are half the price. The only reason why Sony sells Bluray movies at all is bc of PS3. I do own a PS3 but I will never buy a Blu ray movie bc of Sonys shady business tactics.
Get real buddy - it is business. Nothing shady. Games need Blu-Ray. HD video needs Blu-Ray. Sony offered it in one package. How is that "shady"?
What is shady is how MS tries to explain that HD-DVD offers "better" quality, and value. There is no reason for HD-DVD to exist - it was just a weaker shot by Toshiba, supported by MS, to take control of the next gen media. They came in second in a market that will only have one. They will try next gen again with holographic most probably.
You do realize that Toshiba helped develop the cell processor and Blu ray lasers as well as the disks. Toshiba and Sony were supposed to both be involved with the new disk format.(and share the royalties) But Sony broke off the merger because they wanted all the royalties for themselves. Why? Bc they didn't want to share the royalties with anyone.....Greed. So over a year ago they parted ways and Toshiba started selling HDDVD players. Which is fair enough. They built up a good install base for a new technology. But what Sony did was go to all the motion pictures studios and make their promises with the Blu ray trojan horse known as PS3. Which would force their technology on people faster than HDDVD players could possibly sell(based on the PS brand recognition). The fact is that Bluray players came a year later to the market and are not selling any where near as well as HDDVD players.(which are half the price) So yes the format war wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Sony. Their would have been only one brand from the very begining and Bluray wouldn't even exist. So basicly what Sony has done is split the market and bribed everyone with promises of Bluray in PS3. This is only hurting consumers by not offering them a fair chance to pick the format they want. BC the motion picture studios look at the install base. People aren't buying Bluray players but they are buying PS3. So there you have it my friends the cell processor was essentialy designed to be used to be a Bluray player. As a matter of fact a standalone (Bluray)player and the PS3 share the exact same architecture(in most cases). So essentially what you are getting when you buy a PS3 is a Bluray player with a graphics card slapped in it at the last minute (the RSX was finalized only six months before the PS3 launched). Sorry if the truth hurts but the facts ar the facts.
Quote from engineer: And it sucks to be a consumer with such companies being the “technology leaders”. ... The Cell processor wasn’t designed for games. Just ask IBM. ...
This is so wierd, why cant people understand that Blu-ray is going to win the war ? I dont mean ill to HD-DVD but thats the way it is, dont ya thik so ?
I don't think this is going to be sorted anytime soon.
I'll be waiting for the player that plays both, because at least then I can have the best of both worlds, and get the pick of movies on both formats.
of course BR will win. every ps3 user will buy bluray movies. and the capacity matters much. ps3 4 ever!!!!!
...PSP user purchased UMD movies. The PS3 will not decide the outcome of this one on its own. There are many more stand alone DVD players on the globe than there will ever be gaming consoles so which ever format is first to reach the mass market will probably turn the tide.
Once the market is there thats when you'll also see the big titles released and thats when you'll see studios jump ship and support the current competing format.
People wouldnt buy UMD movies cause it wasnt the 'next' platform...or whatever..
UMD wasnt gonna be the succer to DVD...
And why wouldnt you buy a Bluray movie if you have a ps3?
I would go out and buy one, probally Spiderman3!
got to agree with darkdoom3000, if i owned a PS3 i would want to test the HD out on a film, and yeh SPiderman 3 would be perfect.
...no way, that was average, Spider-Man 2 maybe...
If you think the PS3 is the sole saving grace for Blu-Ray (BR) then you're kidding yourself. Of course PS3 owners will buy BR but even if the PS3 had sold 30 million worldwide its still pales in comparison to the number of DVD players sold in the US alone.
BR or HD-DVD (HD) need to reach a mass market before either could claim victory. I can't wait until one does start to show as thats the one I will support. Until then, no movie studios are getting my money as there is no way I'm support two formats to get all the movies I want.
...the one who's losing. All the big titles are going to be held back until the consumer base reaches a certain level and both are increasing at a snails pace because of the competing standards. I for one would love to see the Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings all released in HD format but look how long it took the first two to be released on DVD.
With no clear winner in sight - I am avoiding the HD format war like the plague as there is no way I'm buying into purchasing some titles on Blu-Ray and others on HD-DVD, that is just f**king ridiculous.
Just hurry up and win already... :P
I am currently buying blu-ray movies for my ps3 so I guess I'm only supporting blu-ray, reason being its a safe bet since I don't have to spend money on a seperate player.
I need to know... can anyone who has a ps3 and the 360's HD-DVD drive tell me how the video quality compares please. I would like to buy the 360's hd-dvd drive for some of the movies I can't get on blu-ray but I'm scared about the quality.
Be warned also that the 360 HD does NOT support lossless audio at this point in time, and the difference between lossless and dolby digital for example on my 7.1 system is quite something! Casino Royale for example sounds amazing in its uncompressed format! As for picture quality, its a very close call. Both use varying codecs, mpeg-4, mpeg-2 for example, more Blu Ray releases appear to be favouring mpeg4 like Pirates 1 and 2 to name but two. Ill stick my neck on the line and plumb for PS3 Blu Ray over 360`s HD.
And whoever disagrees because?
For your responce. Yeah the sound fromy my ps3 playing blu-ray is amazing... I guess my question wasn't which format is better but which player is better.
You see Ps3's blu-ray player has been known to be one of the best blu-ray players on the market yet people say that the 360's HD DVD drive is one of the worse players available. I may splash out for the drive but I'm just praying that I'm not wasting my money :P
Neither format will "win" (I don't really know how a format wins, remember that they made and sold betamax in India until 1999 even though VHS "won" nearly 15 years before) because of the price, ask most people and they will say that there current DVD player is fine for them and they see no reason to spend £500 to upgrade to something that looks and works the same but does it slower (45 seconds from pressing the power button to actually being ready to accept a disk?) ad at a higher resolution.
The reason to upgrade to a HD format just isn't great enough both formats will continue in some degree but will be hard core AV nerd formats just like DVD audio vs SACD did, the only time the general public will move from a standard DVD to HD is when someone unveils a iTunes like movie store for their TV's, face it, Downloading is the future, the only really true HD disk will be a 750GB SATA hard drive (but I hope th menus on HD-DVD get used in some form, the integration of the extras into the film especially is something that I think would be very popular).
If there is a winner at the end of this mess, it's going to be the one who releases a player at a reasonable price that people can afford.
The stand-alone players for both formats are around £500 at the moment ($800-$900 US??).
As for the PS3 selling Blu-Ray for $500-$600 and X360 are selling HD-DVD units for half the price, if people were buying the PS3 for Blu-Ray and X360 for HD-DVD, there wouldn't be a console left on the shelves. That's not the case though!
Once a store offers one of them at a reasonable price to entice buyers, that's going to be the one to go for!
Obviously, at the moment Blu-Ray / HD-DVD
As said: Standalone HD-DVD players still beat out standalone BluRay players in sales by a decent margin, save for the PS3. Take out the people who are buying BluRay only because they happened to get it with PS3, and HD-DVD would probably be leading in disc sales too.
Blu-Ray has win... over and out.
We are just seeing the death rattles of HD-DVD. Let it die in dignity. Quit this religious war with calling the "faithful" for buying days to get it to feature somewhere on the charts again. It is dying. Let it die.
And for those pulling out the "stand alone" sales figures. Most persons interested in the technology leap and next gen video formats are gamers. So why the heck would they buy a standalone Blu-Ray player if they could just buy a PS3? Most were waiting for the PS3 anyway to get onto Blu-Ray. Let it go. Whichever way - every PS3 is a Blu-Ray player sold. For HD-DVD to have any shot at all, it has to match those sales, otherwise it is just falling behind more and more. I can not sea why any person would buy a stand alone Blu-Ray player. Get a PS3, you get the best Blu-Ray player, and you get a games machine.
how many are buying blu-ray disc just to have one?
how many people plan on going high def? (not me)
compare dvd sales hd-dvd sales blu-ray sales, and download services
how many people care about the sound? (i don't, i have 50inch aquos with my elite, i just use speakers on tv
a lot more questions
i don't think either will win, ever!!
and to the person above me Tk, consumers will not purchase a ps3 for blu-ray as you say, the word playstation to consumers just mean games, and most consumers who hear blu-ray arent gonna say 25gigs of storage, slow read rate, supports 7.1surround sound, yada yada yada, they are just gonna think i want that because its new, same for HD-DVD
Sorry to burst you bubble but -
I was not gonna go for HD - and then the PS3 was released. Now I am looking at getting a HD video projector to go with the PS3 and it is for watching movies as well. I am not about to get a HD-DVD standalone - there was no reason. DVD is good enough - but... since the PS3 will have the Blu-Ray player - heck - now I am excited about HD video.
Many reason like I do. Would not go for a HD player - DVD is OK, but - if I go for a nextgen console - it is the PS3 - because it has a Blu-Ray player. OK, because I can play the 50 odd PS2 titles I have already as well. And then there is Motorstorm, HS, KZ2, Drake, The Getaway, Singstar, GT5, J&D, R&C, Lair, Warhawk... ooooohh can't wait....
I got a PS3 specifically for games and the buray drive. I could get both in one device. I have a 60" XBR2 and I don't see how you use the tv speakers. Once you go surround sound you never go back. If you're happy with your set up, don't go by anyones house with surround sound. It makes a HUGE difference for movies and games.
So now we go by Percentages...roll eyes! Those movies have been out for one damn week,what did they expect.
if you think about it very carefully, blu-ray will win. since the ps3 was released blu ray has been winning, am I right? so all sony have to do is cut the price by half and offer 2 blu ray films with every ps3 sold. when that happens ps3 will be sold out everywhere and companies like torshiba and co will quit wile they are ahead. also the ps3 is getting some great games this summer and when the console starts to sell, then the consumers would be curious on the advantages of blu-ray so they would try it out. it takes one person with a sweet set up to get the ball rolling, then all his friends would be envious and do the same thing. so blu-ray would win, full stop.
Right now DVD players will always be the winner..but Blue-Ray is killing HDDVD in sales this past few months because it have a better selection of movies..I dont think Microsoft is 100 percent behind HDDVD they even called it the next Beta Max..I dont know why xbots is claiming HDDVD is winning because this past few months reports came in and the result is that Blue Ray destroyed HDDVD..
Easy win for Bluray
TBlu Ray wil win all you guys eep talking about standalone players...for along time people didnt buy dvd players they bought ps2s...just learn from that because it off all that and mroe..
This is a hard situation for me: Im a Matrix fan but I support Blu-ray. (I dont even have a HD player)
Personally I think the battle will be settled when "Lord Of The Rigns Trilogy" and "Star Wars Trilogies" come for either of them.
i'm a matirx fan and an hd-dvd owner, so its great to have this set on hd-dvd. would i buy a ps3 in the future for blu-ray......definitley, you would be stupid not to. its the cheapest blu-ray player plus a game console. NOW....if M$ would sell a blu-ray add on, then i'm all for it, and so would be all other xbox owners. cause when star wars comes out on blu-ray which is a long time from now, there are too many fans that will suport it.
M$ lower the price on the hd-dvd add on for everyone that doesn't have on, and toshiba...get your players in the 200-250 rage.
Sony should not wait for Matrix and other trilogies. They should release Spiderman Trilogy on Blu-ray this september so while many 360s are sold because of Halo3, a lot of PS3s will be sold thanks to Spidey trilogy.
god no. Sorry but most people that want a high def experience wouldn't buy that junk. Spiderman was a horrible movie. The people who can afford the set up are likely going to get remakes of american beauty, or silence of the lambs, or the godfather, not junk like spiderman.
Both may win and we could have multiple formats to chose from and it should help with keeping the price down by being more competitive. Coke vs Pepsi, Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Toyota, Toshiba, RCA, Sony, Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, Dell, Compaq, Xbox, PS3, Wii, Universal, FOX, Paramount, DVD, Blu-Ray and HDDVD. If only one wins measn they can dictate price. Hell everytime we all go and buy a DVD player it already features multiple formats like Divx, WMV, MPEG, MP3, MPEG4, MOV, WMA, JPEG, GIF and DVD. Don't know why each side is so militant about a war when both could win and compete with each other for consumers, after all it's the consumer's that ultimantly choose and it looks like they are choosing both. IMO I realy just don't see the movie studios siding to much with Sony considering Sony owns a movie Studio. So IMO I just see both winning thats all and don't forget downloadable content is also showing signs of success. Capitalism 101 the more choices we have the better off we all are.
And contrary to belief, 2 formats are NOT good for anyone. One had to die, and that was HD-DVD.
Contrary to that idiot Blooodmask, Blu-ray is for games too.
There was a clear winner in sight in Jan. That was Blu-ray. Now that winner is right here alongside us while HD-DVD is lying in its grave.
And finally, I bet most of you people saying there's no end in sight etc etc were all saying Blu-ray was dead before the PS3 launched - sales painted a picture like this - but all of you downplayed the PS3. Now, PS3 is out and has raped HD-DVD and stormed Blu-ray to an insurmountable and growing lead, and I still see some people saying it won't/isn't making a difference. Now what else is there to do but believe the morons who write this tripe and insist that your beloved HD-DVDEAD isn't in the situation it is.
My apologies to those who are really just confused about which format to buy thanks to this fud, the format is Blu-ray, now you know.
PS: I just checked out the article's saving grace for HD-DVD. "Percentage wise (based on players sold), movies are faaar outselling Blu-ray." Here's a percentage for you:
1.5 mil PS3s and 100K + standalones (equal or greater than HD-DVD) vs 250k HD-DVD standalones+360 addon.
Blu-ray players have sold 540% more than HD-DVD players. The movies have sold more in number and in percentage. But I'm sure that studios other than Universal can see how HD-DVD is going to bounce back thanks to all this percentage data and they're going to jump ship from Blu-ray. Hell, the guy might have a point if he didn't figure out that Blu-ray players were growing at faaaaaaaar faster than this measly player:movie ratio advantage that HD-DVD has.
I mean, 50% of 20 is much more impressive than 10% of 10000.
Also, Matrix is coming to Blu-ray, it's Warner Bros. Pirates however will NEVER go to HD-DVD.
and I wouldn't want either. Blue ray wont win, neither will hd-dvd. Dvd will go straight into digital distribution. And I'll still be using my dvd's because you can't find films like "songs from the second floor" or "intacto" on hd-dvd or blue-ray, let alone cult classics like run lola run, or kids. People don't by a blu-ray player to watch bad films like spiderman, or some crappy chick flick, they buy it to watch films like the godfather.
The format that will win wont be decided anytime soon.
Kids isn't that good...it's pretty perverted too, but whatever floats your boat.
Also, if by some magic everyone gets ultra high speed broadband, gets HUUUUGE cheap hard drives to store things, and most importantly - the physical disc media market simply dies out (even the CD market hasn't done that yet) in the next year or 2, then yes, DVD will go straight into digital distribution.
Otherwise, Blu-ray continues the battle with DVD, which it's outpacing at the moment. People say HD disc uptake is slow, DVD was slower.
Also, people DO buy Blu-ray players to watch big films like Spiderman, Pirates, Casino Royale etc. It doesn't matter if YOU think they're bad, they have massive appeal, especially in HD.
They DON'T however buy it for cult-classics, or quality films if they don't have mass appeal. Mass appeal (like in the case of Godfather) will help the format. Godfather WILL come to HD anyway.
Pioneer: Why Blu-ray?
The Wait is Over
A lot of points have been brought up regarding how long it will be before mass popularity of HD compatible TV. However the HD era is dawning upon us in the coming years, and technology will strive to match it. The core of it comes down to can HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sustain themselves until then? Think about it, HD-DVD uses lesser technology and relies on older lasers, it might survive, but in a few years time when it really matters, would people turn to lesser technology if all movies were available on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? I guess it really depends on who markets themselves better, but I'm betting on Blu-Ray.
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