Here's what Seb "motherH" of Guerrilla games had to say about recent new rumors from GamePro:
"That is incorrect. I don't know why they would think this. Killzone for PS3 is not being released at that time."
it makes a little more sense.
I still think releasing Killzone near Halo3 wasnt such a bad idea. In fact PS3 needs to have something while a monster like Halo3 for 360 is around. When Gears came out, Sony needed Resistance and for Halo, only Killzone has enough hype to (try yo) match uber overhyped Halo 3.
but sony hasn't stopped halo before.
For Killzone 2 to do good, they have to actually show stuff like they did with lair.
Remember this is not Gears of War. This is HALO 3!! This is the last part of a trilogy, an already known project.
Gears and Resistance was new to everybody, so Gears against Resistance was a perfect match.
Halo 3 against Killzone would be suicide for Sony, because all Sony have to go on at the moment is a 3 minute trailer and a PS2 original that wasn't that good, whereas Halo 3 has 2 successful games before it, a beta currently running for MP, and lots of media, screenshots and more and more hype coming out from Bungie HQ every week.
I'm not saying Killzone will suck when released, I'm saying that Sony could lose potential sales to Halo 3 if released at the same time, because there are 360 owners who own a PS3 too, and probably would buy Halo 3 (I would anyway) rather than Killzone.
i mean, halo3 MP beta doesn`t look impressive, and plays more like Halo2 in HD. So unless, they do some significant changes.. halo3 might be just overrated.
and then again, it can be like geow VS resistance, but only this time in place of geow might be Killzone 2 vs halo3+fanbase.
KZ2 has some chances to steal hype of halo3, like geow did with ps3 launch.
It doesn't matter when KZ2 is released. So long as they get everything right: AI, gameplay, net play, graphics & sound/music, physics.
Most buyers of H3 will be fans of the franchise and already have an xbox 360. My guess is there won't be a significant increase in sales either, after H3 is released. It's just another shooter - YES, a damn good shooter but still just a shooter. And everyone knows that xbox 360 is a favourite haunt for shooter titles - they're truly a dime a dozen & like have you seen the trigger controller?
Likewise KZ2 won't result in a major jump in sales of the Ps3. I'd leave that honour to Little Big Planet which will appeal to all genders & ages...and could seriously interest people to buy a $600 paper weight(aka $400 game console + $200 Blu-ray media centre). But KZ2 will leave alot of Ps3 shooter fans happy especially if they dont' have an xbox.
For the time being, you guy can just enjoy Haze. It looks damn good.
Now if only you could use motorbikes, tanks, APC & helicopters. Then Haze could start to challenge H3 as one of the best shooters ever....oops, I should have said KZ2 not Haze. lol
Haze looks good in a lot of it's graphics, but the enemy soldiers piss me off. They're on fire whenever your nectar suit is up. What the hell's up with that? I know you have that nectar suit on that changes stuff, but could they at least make them less dull that a human shaped flame? Everyone on fire? Enemy soldiers always just being a mass of flames? That really pisses me off to the point that I don't even want to buy it. Enemy soldiers are an important part of graphics, so why are you just making the a moving fire?
At least sometimes, when your suit goes down, you can see what they really look like. When your suit is down they look decent, so why couldn't they do that while your suit is up? UGH! I'm supposed to be shooting at a South American revolutionary, NOT THE HUMAN TORCH! Flame on?
Not only is that a better/smarter move for Sony and Guerrilla, but now, its gives the people on N4G a rest from bickering and talking about it coming out in September.
Me personally, I have all 3 systems, and Ive got to say that, that would have been the most retarded move by Guerrilla if they had released KillZone 2 in September. Obviously, Halo 3 has been the attention of 2007 for games ever since the E3 2006 trailer. Im going to have to say, from a console perspective(not including PC Games), that Halo 3 is going to be the biggest and most hyped game to talk about and play this year. I havent seen a single game, that has the depth of story campaign as the Halo franchise, or one that plays like all shooters should, and looks absolutely amazing on the 360.
Now as far as PS3 games go, yea, i would like to see and play some of them, cause some of them look pretty good. Youve got Lair, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Ratchet and Clank, etc. All those i cant wait to try out and play on PS3, but as far as KillZone 2, Halo 3 and the Year 2007, Its Halo's time to shine and finish the fight. Guerrilla has showed us nothing on KillZone 2, except for that CG trailer wayyy back at E3 2005. So that automatically tells me that a) they are not even close to being done, or even close to releasing the multiplayer beta. b) We havent heard any talk about KillZone for the past few months, until today, which means, they are being tight lipped about it, because of the fact, they need to make the actual gameplay look like that trailer. and c) they know sure as hell, that they wouldnt succeed if they released the game the same month, even the same year as Halo 3.
Basically, I want both of these games to succeed, but given guerrillas, insignifcant amount of detail, trailers, in game screen-shots they have given us, given that KillZone hasnt been talked about or heard of much since 2005, and given that this past year, and just recently all of May, has all been about Halo Multiplayer Beta, and a release date for Sept.25, and Halos fanbase, and how its one of the best shooter franchises ever made, and the media attention it gets, Its quite simple--> Halo 3 WINS 2007, KillZone 2---> Not ready. now maybe GTA4 might have some affect, but any other game releasing around sept. oct., will for the most part, not succeed. I say, if Sony, M$, or Nintendo, want to release other games in 2007, they better do it near the end of Nov., early december.
i'm guessing that Guerila doesnt want to show anything of Killzone yet because if what they show isnt close to being as good as th e3 trailer...no matter how good the game look..people are going to bash it the only way they can..by saying it didnt live up to the graphics shown at e3...it would probably be a bunch of fanboys...even if killzone ends-up being the best looking game of this generation...someone will try to bash it anyway they can..
GTA will be no.1 game of the year GTA is a much bigger game and seing it's multiplatform all round it'll kill Halo sales!
were talking about exclusives for the PS3 and 360.
Halo 3 and Killzone 2 are in the same genre
GTA 4 is much different.
If you were referring to the GTA launch affecting the Halo 3 and Killzone 2 launch, there is news that GTA4 is being delayed.
But yes GTA4 is going to sell very well.
True, Killzone2 should be the most impressive PS3 title if they want to use it against Halo. Halo3 has 2 years of full hype behind it and 2 E3 shows but Killzone has nothing except that old E3 demo. I think Sony has to show KZ2 with full force for E3 2007 and keep super hyping it until christmass or even later to have more TGS/E3s to show the game.
Personally, I think Killzone 2 BETA will arrive this september. We have heard about it and a beta to fight Halo3 seems good: PS3 has something to show while Halo3 is unleashed and full KZ2 game can arrive months later.
I also think September would be when the Beta will come out. As for when Killzone comes out I see it coming out next year. This way at least Killzone will not have to worry about Halo. Plus this way Killzone can have a greater chance to look like the trailer.
But we need to get everything into perspective.
I. What console(s) do you own? Ps3 AND Xbox 360 or just one?
II. Do you like shooters?
III. Are you a fan of the Halo franchise....you've played and enjoyed it?
IV. What is the composition of console owners?
1. if you own both machines then you can enjoy both games. Which game is better or the release date doesn't matter because you will be buying both.
2. if you only have one conole then you won't be buying the other game because you don't have the other console. So it doesn't matter which game is better or the realease date as you will be enjoying the game you have bought.
3. If you don't like shooters then YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT which game is better or the release date of H3, KZ2, Haze etc.
4. If you do like shooters then refer 1. & 2.
5. If you are a fan of the Halo franchise then you're likely to buy the sequels and the console if need be, just to get your next fix. Now I'm a fan but also a Sony fanboy - refer 1.
6. If you are not a fan of Halo franchise then you're unlikely buy the console. Refer 2.
7. The Xbox/x360 is well known for its large number of shooters as well has having a significant ownership base from the USA. The Playstations have a broader ownership and more diverse range of titles. It would be safe to say that the Playstations would have fewer percentage of owners who liked shooters than the xbox/x360. So a AAA shooter is not going to be as important to the Ps3 as it is to the xbox 360.
It doesnt matter what the release date is. Just enjoy the games you buy for pete's sake!!!
I heard that since the Warhawk Beta, which I didn't even get into, psh, so much for public, was only for America, the KZ2 Beta might only be for Europe. That'd be really stupid, since I know myself and a friend of mine and a lot of other people didn't get in. The only friend I know who got in, also got into the KZL Beta and the Home Beta and now the Warhawk Beta, because he's on the GAP. God damnit, I need to get on that GAP.
"I still think that someone leaked (urine) guerrila and sony's scheme, and this comment from guerrilla is clearly covered in sweat because they didn't want anyone to find out.But i'm also stupid which although fallacious,can be considered a valid counter-argument to what i just said." - shakespeare
who are these people that "thought" it was releasing in September?lol
Hell, they haven't even released a screen and it's rolling on into June now. Beyond Beta and an eventual Gold, September would've been a huge letdown release date in my opinion. I think that sweetspot after Halloween and before Thanksgiving is the best time. I never thought it would release in September to counter Halo since they [Guerilla / SNE] are tying to distance themselves from the whole "Halo Killer" debacle.
Guerrilla's much more civilized than Epic.
i agree with you in some levels..but,they havent really showed us anything on Killzone just yet..the game might suck major a$$ or it might be a really good game(it may even be better then halo 3).
although halo is a very good FPS,if you really think about it,it can be better...their could be an FPS game that could make halo look like nothing.......Killzone maybe the fps to do that..or not.....just dont rule out the possibilities....we will just have to wait till E3.only a month and a few days left:)
Thats good my wallet was already gonna take a battering in september.
at making it even better in a sequel.that's as many buys as preorders for halo3.
killzone may not come out in september.i'd also say something like a november release.halo 3 can sell,then gta4,then killzone,then mario galaxy for christmas.
can't wait for E3.make sure everyone knows the sales of this game:
wikipedia killzone article:
Despite the average reviews Killzone was a considerable commercial success, with Guerrilla staff members confirming the game had sold a million copies "a few times over".
Neither vgchartz or wikipedia have it listed as a title that sold a million copies.
Killzone isn't even in that list you idiot. Try harder. Stop making sh!t up.
When Sony shows Killzone at E3...one of two things will happen...It will either stand out as a fantastic looking game, and be comparable in some aspects to the trailer (volumetrics for smoke, great draw distance, etc...I am not talking about the physics and animation of the NPC's)...in which case the game will get hyped to the point that its a must own for the ps3...
Or..it will not even be close to the target render, and pretty much fall of the map after some large amounts of criticism towards Sony/Guerilla...
the latter of which seems unlikely...Sony knows how much is riding on it, and its massive development bugdet shows that its definately the biggest game under Sony's publishment right now...
But it is silly for people to try and speculate on when is the best time for it to be released right now...being that none of us have seen anything other than that trailer...
not to bag on you.but did you click on the gamezone article?
killzone sold over a million.then when the price dropped,it sold more.it clearly says."these SEVEN TITLES sold in excess of 4.5 million.try reading it again.it's an OFFICIAL SONY PRESS RELEASE.
every title of those seven sold well.that's why they are receiving sequels on ps3.from atv all the way down the list,sold VERY WELL.
that's why it deserves a second chance.give it one.as for vgchartz,people seem to believe them one minute,then not the next.i wouldn't trust their numbers myself.they're not OFFICIAL.second,not every game that came out on ps2 is listed in sales.there're too many to list.
Do you really believe all those games individually sold more than MGS3 or GOW? MGS3 sold about 4 million. You are telling me that Hotshots golf and ATV before they were added to the PS2 greatest hit list sold more than MGS3?
Also keep in mind that the article is almost 2 years old and sales for all of these titles at that time would have been a little lower than they are today. Considering that killzone doesn't even show as a million copy seller on either wikipedia or vgchartz today, and the fact that neither list has any of these games over the 4.5 million mark I am thinking that combined all titles accounted for over 4.5 million copies sold at the time of Aug 25th 2005.
Did I say that it didn't deserve a second chance? I am sure with the money being pumped into the sequel it will be at least worth a look. All I said is that vgchartz nor wikipedia support your 4.5 million copies sold claim.
Vgchartz has 178 PS2 titles listed that sold over a million copies, and Killzone isn't one of them.
Rumors SUCK just like Lame Pro! Dusty, hurry-up with the BS meter.:)
that doesn't take into account all the sales as your backup,against an OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE FROM SONY.that's not thinking too clearly there buddy.vgchartz creates numbers using a program.that's not real.
as for wikipedia,yes,it's not listed there.but at the same site,when you click on killzone and read it,at the bottom:
""Despite the average reviews Killzone was a considerable commercial success, with Guerrilla staff members confirming the game had sold a million copies "a few times over".""
so i used an official release from the publisher and an online encyclopedia to back up the press release.you're using an unoffical site and an unupdated list.that's humorous.
try again.you can't base fact on fiction.but i based fact on fact.
http://www.us.playstation.c... http://www.gaming-age.com/n... http://ps2.ign.com/articles...
let's see you disprove that buddy.i could go all day busting you.
The unupdated wikipedia list you mention has Wii data up to March 31st, 2007 and a 360 game that released this year on that list. You are using a press release that is nearly two years old. I think your info is the one that is outdated.
Believe what you want but there is no way that those 7 titles each out sold MGS3 and God of War. In fact on either of those lists not one title shows 4.5 million sold. Granted those lists could be wrong, although vgchartz supposedly tweaks its numbers once the monthly sales data gets in. However killzone isn't even listed as a million copy seller on either wikipedia or vgchartz. I find it hard to believe that two years ago it had already sold in excess of 4.5 million copies. I mean both of those lists can't be that far off. Can they?
Killzone launched around Nov 2004, the article you keep linking to is dated August 2005. That would mean in 10 months killzone sold more than 4.5 million copies. More than MGS3 had done in it's lifetime. It would mean that it was on a Gears of War type sales pace. Over half of what Halo 2 has sold in it's lifetime. Think about it, if it had sold that well in it's first 10 months no one would be saying it's sequel is based off an unproven title that didn't sell well nor garner high ratings.
No matter what valid reasons I present to you, nor what links I refer to I know that based off some 2 year old Sony press release it will not change your mind. However if you think logically about all that has been presented to you I fail to see how you could not agree with what I am saying.
Either way neither of us is going to agree with each other, so we should just move on to another topic.
Bro, yes Vgcharts and Wikipedia are unofficial, their numbers aren't 100% accurate but they are not that far off! I have to go with TylerDurden on this one. I mean seriously your first clue that the press release was talking about totals for the 7 games should have been games like "Hot Shots Golf: Fore!", do you honestly believe it outsold games like MGS3, GOW, DMC....in one year? -WTF?, shadowgamer you can't be serious?
Hot Shots Golf Fore! - PS2 Release Date: 8/17/2004 Avg Ratio: 80%
Sony's SEVEN TOP SELLING Press Release Date: Aug. 25, 2005
-Bro its a "Press Release" so I don't blame Sony at all for speaking positively about those games, but trust me if they all sold 4.5 million Sony would have definitely stated that much, VERY CLEARLY, with words like "each title sold 4.5 mil+"....I mean seriously theres know way in hell Syphon Filter: OS with even PSM rating it a 6 out of 10, sold 4.5 in a little over a year. -Very, very few games have amazing sales like that. -lol
http://www.gamerankings.com... Now as for the news itself, I never believe K2 would arrive in Sept. anyway....we haven't even seen one pixel of gameplay. -Yeah, Sony may have a surprise up their sleeve (all companies should) but K2 in Sept isn't it.
just keep thinking the game wont look like the trailer, your sure to look stupid, when shown and greatly exceeds the trailer
The three things that can take on Halo and win are Pokemon, GT and GTA in that order. Halo is the 4th biggest franchise as far as I can tell.
GT isn't due till next year, so perhaps it'll just have to kill Gears 2.
didnt halo get pushed back. it was saspose to come out like next month
There has only been one official date for Halo 3's release, and that is September 25th of this year.
People were hoping for an earlier release but there was no official release date, it was just opinions.
Good:More time to work on and improve Killzone 2.
I want Killzone 2 NOW!
HyperBear:"I havent seen a single game, that has the depth of story campaign as the Halo franchise". What did you mean by that?? Did you just mean for shooters or all games period. Because if you meant all games period I think you are wrong. Because the Halo Franchise has no where near the story dept of the MGS Franchise. But I will give you that Halo is one of the best shooters Ive played. And this is coming from a Sony I guess Fanboy. But sorry If I went to forward on this subject. And I also think Killzone will prove itself this time.
killzone 2 may live up to itz hype, but theres a fact that none of you sony fanbiys can overlook. approximately 4-5 million preorders. you all try to deny it and say it is over-hyped, or (my personal favorite) " the beta dosen't even look that good. but the fact is that halo wins this, hands down. it has a way bigger fan-base and more loyalty than killzone's undecicive fangirls. it will blow killzone out of the water in terms of sales, and when you brag about how much money sony puts into it you hurt yourslf. it reminds us that sony is wasting hard earned cash on a substitute. do you seriously know why halo is the best, or when you are the best period? when everyone tries to eaither be like you or take you down. you name a good fps that hasn't tried to gain publicity by dubbing it'self the next "Halo killer"? times up. even if in a distaant universe kz2 was better, it still wouldn't sell half as much.
out november i think
that even if sony doesn't have 115 million gamers right now,and that maybe 30 million had to rebuy the system because of disc read error,there would still be 85 million potential customers buying games.even garbage games.at the time of release,it could have been 70 million ps2 owners.
example1:burger king games for xbox 360.no way those games should have sold over 2 million copies.but they did.don't know how.but they did.and that was during christmas season i believe.
example 2:enter the matrix.i kind of enjoyed it.but had to trade it in right after i finished the game.i mean the next day.i was going to get my moneys worth then get the highest trade in.but it sold over 2 million copies as well.
there are plenty games WE don't buy because we(as hardcore gamers) see the rushed effort from the devs.especially movie based games.but they sell in the millions anyway.all the way down to $19.99 and below.we might think a game is garbage,but the younger kids lap it up and say they're great.just look at EA and their games as example too.
as for omega strain,i was lucky to be managing at the time to preview it.it was garbage.i kept telling my cousin to get psi-ops.get psi-ops.but he wouldn't listen.he loved the series like i did.but i refused.he later came back in my store and traded it in.and what did he get?psi-ops.much better game.
as for the sales:i used to sell platformers for ps2 like crazy.same with atv offroad fury.i sold probally more beyond good and evil than any other store in the country.i refused to have that game in my store sitting there not being played.same with dmc1.same with nfl 2k5.
but if you can prove me wrong with an official press release that each only sold 500,000 copies each,then i'll submit from the arm wrestling.but then it would make the killzone wikipedia article false because of the statement:
""Despite the average reviews Killzone was a considerable commercial success, with Guerrilla staff members confirming the game had sold a million copies "a few times over".""
a million copies a "few times over" is more than 1 million.the game came out in NOVEMBER of 2004.and the press release was AUGUST of 2005.you mean to tell me that in 1 year,you couldn't sell 4 million copies?gears of war did it in less time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
i'm all for agreeing to disagree.but do you think having a year could allow sony to sell that many copies with that many millions of ps2 owners?i think so.show me something OFFICIAL to counter it.
Now seriously Bro, you are starting to confuse me...and again I expect Killzone2 to impress, but your post is misleading, so I was just trying correct that info, but its like you don't want to see the facts.
1. All the Burger King XBox 360 games COLLECTIVELY sold 2 mil, because about 10 mil people go there everyday and the games cost $3.99, -lol those games suck but they're dirt cheap and Mommy just wanted lil Billy to stop crying. -Not to mention it was Christmas time, and many Grannies who don't have a clue about games brought it for a stocking stuffer gifts. http://www.gamespot.com/new...
2. You call both sites "unofficial" but then you reference wikipedia as validation for your claim of 4.5 mil sold?
3. Wikipedia says that the "Guerrilla staff members" confirmed it sold a million copies "a few times over". -So wikipedia is only "quoting" Guerilla; Why would they be so "vague" for a game that according to your interpretation of Sony's PR had already sold 4.5 from Nov 2004 to Aug 2005? -Those are huge sales even for a fanbase as big as PS2, since by comparison many, many other great PS2 games sold far less after more than 2 or 3 years.
4. Wikipedia top sales don't list any of those "greatest hits titles" being anywhere close to 4.5 mil. -Their sales figures are questionable, but they can't be that far off on ALL those games, especially when the other games sales figures are "in the ballpark" in relation to Vgcharts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... http://vgchartz.com/worldto...
5. You are the one making statements "different" from what all the sources, including YOUR OWN Sony Official source says, so its YOU who needs provide some "official" supporting info.
-Well I'll just leave the subject alone, we can agree to disagree all day, but sometimes you just have to admit it when you're wrong.
you won`t hear about from sony until e3.
Even if KZ2 was going up against Halo 3, it would get stomped on. KZ2 isn't even good enough for Master Chief to poop on.
"Even if KZ2 was going up against Halo 3, it would get stomped on. KZ2 isn't even good enough for Master Chief to poop on."
One trailer! Really! One trailer! And btw, that trailer had incredible graphics, so how do you get this magical inside information that Killzone 2 is going to suck soooooooooo much that Master Chief wouldn't even poop on it?
Btw, Master Chief isn't organic, so he doesn't poop. Neither does Cortana, 'cause she's only a program. So Halo 3 isn't even good enough for Master Chief to poop on. Nothing is good enough for Master Chief to poop on, 'cause Master Chief NEVER poops!
"One trailer! Really! One trailer! And btw, that trailer had incredible graphics"
The trailer was confirmed to be CGI (by the team who made it), not ingame. Not generated by the power of the Ps3 in any way. I thought everyone had accepted that and moved on. Guess I was wrong. Did you know that in ancient China there lived giant boss crabs that dealt massive damage? It's all true, Sony said so.
Master Chief is a surgically and chemically enhanced human- the most robotic thing about him is his upgraded UNSC AI interface, which is a chip implanted into his skull. But that's about it. So yes, he does indeed pop. Big, massive, 7-foot-tall-man-poops. Heh.
And yes, Killzone was CGI. Yadda-yadda-yadda.
Halo = Massive success, the standard by which all other console shooters are judged. Killzone = Massive hype, and even if you're willing to believe it showed promise, it was nothing close to what it was supposed to be, and it's gone down in history as one of the biggest examples of media hype in gaming history.
since when did it divert to Potty Training Techniques?
Comparing or even using the name Killzone in the same sentence as HALO is like preferring to live in the Arctic over Bermuda...I prefer HALO and there is no way a game like 'Killzone' (what a stupid name for a game to start with) is going to get in the way of HALO heh even Gears can be killzone hands down.
people that make comments like that probably had the fast-paced, duel wielding, alien killer, Halo on their mind and most likely got the exact opposite. The media is a bit*h sometimes.
'but it will sell like chocolate-chip hotcakes even if it’s another partial turd like the first.'
Haha this made me laugh...so true so true...first one blew. This one better be good otherwise that CGI they showed is just a bunch of crap.
woo I can disagree but not have concrete evidence to why I am disagreeing. I am just disagreeing because his name is 'xbox360rocks' newsflash I own a PS3 as well, got the 360 first obviously, this name is old...I am counting on Killzone as much as the rest of you...and you know it's true if this sucks than the CGI they showed is just a bunch of broken promises.
They need time to play final version of Halo3. They need to copy ideas and try to make it better.
I have MGS3, KZ, The Getaway, GTA:SA.
Whatever the reviews, the ones played most is The Getaway, KZ, MGS3, and last GTA:SA. (This is not including the Ratchet and Jak & Daxter series - which gets most of the time with the kids)
So whatever the review numbers - KZ got more played here than MGS3 and GTA:SA put together. Of course the Ratchet and J&D got played a whole lot more. Go figure...
While I respect the designers, I dont think they are ready to make KZ2 as impressive as that trailer. Criterion with Black showed that they can make a PS2 game look like a 360 one so if there is any team that can make KZ2 look like that old E3 demo, its Criterion.
keep on saying "CGI", and by the time you figure out that ps3 has the very thing in it that does "CGI" it'll be to late, and by the way saying that the game wont look like the tailer or better than the trailer which it will, that is an easy way for to turn the next gen war, you will see
IGN has just posted on their relases date web site that Killzone is slated for February 2008, changed from TBA.
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