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Valve Should Really Shut Their Mouth

"Twiggy", PushSquare: "I have absolutely no problem with console exclusives. I love them, actually. Console exclusives are what make me a Playstation fan, a Nintendo fan and an XBOX fan. Granted I write my column on a Playstation website, that gives me a vested interest in the Sony side of things, but I still find it interesting the way a console exclusive can really define the philosophy of a platform. Halo and Gears Of War define the XBOX 360 just like Mario and Zelda do the Wii. Valve choose to keep their games exclusive to the XBOX 360 and PC platforms and I think that's absolutely fine. What I do object to is their "fanboy" mentality they use to justify the decision. Insomniac Games handle the situation well - whenever asked about plans to release a multiplatform game they simply reiterate their Playstation alliance; no need for insults or backhanders. Why can't Valve do the same?"

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qface643122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

i can honestly say valve is on my list of developers i dislike

its one thing to speak your mind but when it comes to valve that's another story
valve is just being really stupid

Genesis53122d ago

I don't know it just seems that some people think the way to make your product look better is to insult the other guys. Most of the time it just backfires and you end up looking like an idiot. Valve has been doing a really good job of that.

Vecta3122d ago

Wow Qface you have fallen for this stuff hook line and sinker. Not one of the valve employees goes out its their way to bad mouth any console ever, but you know who LOVES it when Valve or any developer say the reasons why they dont develop for a certain console? Yeah piss poor websites that are desperate to get readers.

So they whenever they get the chance to actually ask these guys questions they always go straight for the provocative ones and keep pushing on them (Even though they know the answer as the question has been asked many many times before) just so they can put up a inciting headline to catch the attention of sheep like you who just love jumping on hate bandwagons.

And people telling them they should stfu? What the hell are you talking about, they dont just suddenly shout out that they hate a console or why they dislike working on one. The only time you see that is when they answer questions asked by journalists, the interviewers just need to stop asking the same dam question over and over again. But alas they know it gets this sought of response from people and low key websites enjoy getting an influx of hits.

qface643122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

i suggest you look up actual quotes from valve employees especially gabe hearing some of the things they say just sound stupid

its not this article that has gotten to me its everything valve has done and said as a whole in the past

1 minute they say 1 thing then they say another but when it comes down to it its always pointless insults
i have never been a fan of valve their products yes but valve itself NO

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Blaster_Master3122d ago

Im just mad at valve for making crappy @ss games. I dont care what kinda fanboy they are, if your good it doesn't matter. The guys at valve just look so stupid because they run their mouths like they are the bomb, and yet they haven't made a game worth buying since last gen. Even their last gen stuff was unremarkable. Half Life was boring as hell. Timesplitters was better then Half Life.

multipayer3122d ago

Valve revolutionized gaming, your opinions are invalid.

Xbox Avatars Shoe3122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

They act like L4D is the greatest thing in the history of man, when IMO, it's ridiculously overrated and gets boring after a day.

They need to admit that they're either
A: Lazy and don't want to go out of their realm (PC world) and work on a new hardware type (PS3).
or B: They're not as good of a developer as people tout them to be because they're not skilled enough to work on a non-PC platform.

Valve need to STFU and Gabe needs to go eat some more doughnuts to make his Man-Period go away.

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Godmars2903122d ago

Naw, at this point it seems that Valve is the only one who insults not only a product, but the people who use it. Turn 10 complements GT as the old standard of console driving sims as they call Forza the new.

callahan093122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

"PS3 only fanboys should really shut the f*ck up already... this is getting old. Every week there is a article bashing Valve."

Well, in case you didn't happen to notice it, PS3 fans criticize Valve IN RESPONSE to Valve criticizing the PS3. It's not unprovoked or unwarranted. People are always complaining about how bad "PS3 fanboys" are, well, does nobody stop to think that PS3 fans are fed up with being treated like second-class citizens by a majority of the gaming world? We've got developers, publishers, and so-called journalists giving us and the PS3 crap at every corner, and it's been going on systematically since before the PS3 came out. Every piece of good news about the PS3 has been consistently met with damage control and FUD. The behavior of PS3 fans in defense of their preferred gaming platform is totally warranted in my opinion. The PS3 and its fans are subjected to an inordinate amount of criticism and hate from all corners of the gaming world. If you like the PS3, you're labeled a fanboy. Well, I'm just a PS3 fan, simple as that, because it's a nice machine with a lot of good features and games, and I think it and its fans deserve more credit than it gets.

Sarcasm3122d ago

Developers I dislike in no particular order

1. Turn 10
2. Turn 10
3. Turn 10
4. Turn 10
5. Turn 10

Sarcasm3122d ago

"Well, in case you didn't happen to notice it, PS3 fans criticize Valve IN RESPONSE to Valve criticizing the PS3. It's not unprovoked or unwarranted. People are always complaining about how bad "PS3 fanboys" are, well, does nobody stop to think that PS3 fans are fed up with being treated like second-class citizens by a majority of the gaming world? We've got developers, publishers, and so-called journalists giving us and the PS3 crap at every corner, and it's been going on systematically since before the PS3 came out. Every piece of good news about the PS3 has been consistently met with damage control and FUD. The behavior of PS3 fans in defense of their preferred gaming platform is totally warranted in my opinion. The PS3 and its fans are subjected to an inordinate amount of criticism and hate from all corners of the gaming world. If you like the PS3, you're labeled a fanboy. Well, I'm just a PS3 fan, simple as that, because it's a nice machine with a lot of good features and games, and I think it and its fans deserve more credit than it gets."

Bravo man. That's quite simply one of the best posts to ever grace N4G or any comments section for that matter.

hakeem09963122d ago

VALVE is intitled to say there opinion regardless of how you feel and besides they are right when they say tht the xbox360 community is better than the ps3.

I'm a ps360 owner and one reason i hate Multiplayer on the PS3 is that 90% of those bastards doesn't even own a damn mic so u end up playing with a bunch of ghost all the freakin time while on LIVE if u don't have a mic 90% of the time u'll be booted out.

hakeem09963122d ago

VALVE is entitled to say there opinion regardless of how you feel and besides they are right when they say tht the xbox360 community is better than the ps3.

I'm a ps360 owner and one reason i hate Multiplayer on the PS3 is that 90% of those bastards doesn't even own a damn mic so u end up playing with a bunch of ghost all the freakin time while on LIVE if u don't have a mic 90% of the time u'll be booted out.

sikbeta3122d ago

This is something I said for a long time, if valve don't want to make game for PS3 is fine, we are not cry babies saying "is not fair" or crap like that, but when they start to talk s#*t about something they don't care, they are being a bunch of douchebags, that's the limit they don't have to cross, but they insist, have some respect if you want to be respected

JsonHenry3122d ago

I love Valve. Everything they make is top notch quality. However, if I only owned a PS3 I would probably not care about them one bit since they keep giving it the shaft.

But whatever, I own a gaming PC and that is how all their titles are meant to be played anyway.

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nix3122d ago

maybe because PS3 is actually powerful thus there's no disputing that.

i don't think majority of PS3 gamers are missing Valve games (there's enough exclusives on the platter) but the point is making fun of PS3 even though you're not making games for it.

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4Sh0w3122d ago

So childish on this site, Valve should probably just say no comment to anything about the ps3 because no reason for not developing on the ps3 will ever be good enough, but really I can't say thats a bad thing the ps3 owners won't accept their reasoning if they don't agree, but I at the same time I never believed any reason why MGS4 or any other game couldn't be done on the 360, I think that just developer lingo to hype their game to the fanbase, sure there would be a few differences to cater to the pro's and con's of the other console but acting as if it would be anywhere near a subpar experience on the other console is ridiculous rhetoric that pleases only the fanboys. I for one appreciate devs like Kojima(in reference to MGS4) and Valve who simply have made a choice about where they want there game to be played exclusively.

Blaze9293122d ago

why do PS3 fans care so damn much about what Valve says? Get over it.

Afterburn3122d ago

I logged in just to give you a bubble for that comment. well said and wow is it true.

jadenkorri3122d ago

valve has already openly stated their dislike for the console, if they had simply chosen the 360 and said nothing more, im sure these articles wouldn't be happening... yes prob what they say now, if anything is going to get blown out of proportion, however it is warranted for the ps3 fan base to react this way. Giving an excuse again cause their is no community on the psn is absurd, its the lamest excuse i have ever heard for not developing for the ps3. @jokes, those companies that chose the ps3 instead of the 360 gave good reasons and commented on the ps3 architecture. I don't see them bashing the 360, saying it couldn't do it, no community on the 360, etc. You stupid 360 fanboys always point to exclusive ps3 games, but your really an idiot considering those devs have not come out and said anything bad about the 360. Im sure bungie and turn 10 have been asked similar questions, where are the articles saying there idiots for not dev for ps3, there not around cause they answered properly and didn't make fun of the ps3 like valve does on a weekly basis. Until valve pulls it head out of you know where, I will refuse to buy their products cause i don't want a developer like them around with the attitude they display.

DaTruth3122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

Valve just need to say, "We have our reasons for not developing for PS3"!

Same way other developers have their reasons, like Ubi says MS gives them a marketing premium on exclusive games, so Splinter Cell goes to them. Nobody gets upset! Obviously Valve is the problem here, or we would have a problem with everybody who develops a game exclusively for 360 and we don't! Today we would be saying; "I'm not buying Assassins Creed because Splinter Cell is exclusive!

Trebius3122d ago

Valve is unprofessional in the way they make their public statements.

They say there's no such thing as bad PR.

Thats a lie.

THIS is bad PR.

Cause Valve no longer has respect amongst his fellow developers, OR a good chunk of the industry's fanbase.

It'd be like the Owner of McDonalds saying "Everyone that eats at Burger King and white castle has no class. We dont want to feed those people anyway."

People that eat at Burger king and White castle are gonna say, FUKC you then McDonalds we dont need you anyway, theres plenty of fast food to go around.

And Hence, they lose a good chunk of what COULD HAVE BEEN their profit.

multipayer3122d ago

We are heavily invested in the PC architecture, and don't want to dabble in the cell processor that will likely never be standard in PCs. The 360 has three standard cores and a huge userbase for us to make tons more money.

Oh, wait. That is exactly what they say... less QQ, more pew pew. I don't want them to prolong Half-Life ep 3 any longer, so you can get a frigan port!

Alvadr3122d ago

Because Valve dont have the skills to program for the PS3.. They bad mouth the PS3 because they are unable to source the talent.

Sub4Dis3122d ago

the developer responsible for some of the greatest games ever made needs to shut their mouths because ps3 fanboys know more than they do about the gaming industry. wow n4g is getting more and more lame. what a pathetic article

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JBaby3433122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

"Greatest games ever made"? You need to expand your gaming experience a little more because you obviously have not had much exposure to what's out there.

About the article, Valve just needs to say they prefer the 360 and then shut up. Don't bash anyone just leave it at that. Nothing wrong with making exclusives but to say the things they do is just in poor taste.

LastDance3122d ago

"1.6 - And you're proud of that?
Valve revolutionized gaming, your opinions are invalid."

When you look like Gabe Newell, nothing you do matters.

BWS19823122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

it's the 360 fans, Valve didn't insult you, and any PS3 fans didn't speak about you, yet you are demanding relevance, so just sit down and shut up. At NO point were you brought into the equation, and PS3 fans aren't whining, all I see is them showing disgust AFTER BEING TALKED ABOUT. If people/consumers want to refute Valve's claims regarding the community they fall into, let them, I think they're a prime authority on THEMSELVES. Holy crap.

And another thing, how is it you are purporting Valve "knows more about the industry" than PS3 fans...huh? When did Valve talk about the industry? They didn't. I think, my dear slow friends, that PS3 gamers know MORE ABOUT PS3 GAMERS THAN VALVE DOES, SEEING AS HOW THAT'S WHAT VALVE IS REFERRING TO!

Valve may be "answering" the journalists, but THEY made the choice to run their powdered-sugar-mouths off about PS3 and it's gamers, they could just as easily have said something neutral or polite about a preference and been "off the hook". NOBODY put a gun to their head and said "tell us how you really feel fatty!"

It's simple, the PS3 can use Bluetooth headsets if demanded/required for a game, seeing as how it's probably something many gamers already have for their phones, or can get for $15...problem solved, no different than the Socom or Warhawk games. If Valve really wanted this "barrier" broken, it would have been. The truth is, like was said above: they're either A) too lazy to broaden their horizons, or B) too inept at technology to do likewise...They can choose, because no excuse nor insult will float them through their choices at this point.

Good lord 360 fanboys, I've never seen such hollow and irrational thought processes in my time on the net, and that's saying a lot.

Edit: and Trebius has a critical point, Valve is really just shooting themselves in the foot. They are destroying customer relations they have yet to even build, that's moronic on so many levels. You don't subjugate an entire user base that MAY be customers at a later date (or have PC's that can create possible current customers) to insults by writing millions of people off because of bias or opinion. You just keep your mouth shut and say no comment or politely say you have a strong preference.

TheBrit3122d ago

Maybe you are just another burger king gut filling loser like the douche on the article? No?

Valve has been around a long time and has developed some freaking awesome titles.

For you to dump on them the way you are because they are being honest? screw you. go out with the guy in the picture and get each other a double-size meal while you discuss why these guys are richer than you could ever imagine (hint: its because the develope great games) - f.u.d

BWS19823122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

if you're speaking about me, seeing as how it's clearly in my bio that I'm into bodybuilding and have been working out for 6 years.

I never once said I don't like their games, and many people haven't (yes a few have, but most are commenting on their employees, not their work). I have the Orange Box for the PC, and I have GotY L4D 1 for the PC, I also have Steam with the complete HL 1 collection...so what's your point?

None of that answers Valve's comments, there's something called tact, and 99% of companies have it, Valve and Turn 10 are 2 that don't. Shouldn't that mean something, that dozens upon dozens of devs and publishers and corporations have ENTIRE departments dedicated to public relations and marketing and the psychology of consumerism and sales, and yet Valve has a few fatties who run their mouths all in the name of "honesty" during interviews and it's okay?...it shouldn't matter what they honestly think, it is stupid to be honest in business sometimes when it could cost them even more of that money, much more, not to mention damage their integrity. Very few companies are that abrasive, they use euphemisms and clever wording to "be honest".

C'mon, think a little.

Raz3122d ago

Sorry - is this a developer I should care about? I'm a little busy playing all the amazing PS3 games I have, so I haven't really paid much attention to mediocre companies living off old successes...

jpdcmo3122d ago

I have Both ps3 and xbox360 and for my experience i can tell the live community its much better than psn, for me the only problem of live its the friends list cap to 100, i already reach that mark a long time ago but in psn i only have 17 friends and almost all of them also have the xbox360.

UltraNova3121d ago

Man its been a while since my last post (lost my interest in posting here)but, what the hell you deserved the bubble man keep telling the truth..

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reintype3122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

I think this is Valve's attempt to ingratiate themselves to the 360's fanbase, not only to promote their up and coming game but also as a way to hide the real issue. This is called MISDIRECTION, provide another outlet for others to vent, in hopes that they would forget previous contentions. Obviously, it's working in their favor, since we have yet to see articles focusing on what most people are thinking, that this game really has few differences from its previous iteration, and the fact that this one is coming less than a year, from the previous game's release.

THE REAL ISSUE:
Let's face it, Xbox fans are going to buy a $60 multi-player only game, with no support or something you have to pay for, if it comes to that. While the PC fans, not only can buy the game at a lower price point, but it also comes with many support, among which are MODs and free DLCs.

I say, keep the Valve games on the PC and the 360. There is no need for them in the PS3. If you want to play it badly then buy/play the PC one, which is the superior version. If the 360 fans wants to pay/play it on their XBOX 360, then let them, it's their money to burn, no need for PS3 fans to get suckered in this.

thorstein3122d ago

But, I guess Gabe Newell and the other 40 year old virgins at Valve and Steam are just frustrated with the fact that they will die virgins. So, what does this do for them? I mean, other than baiting fans, what point does it have?

I am in their demographic. I play their games and they just pissed me off. What idiots!

table3122d ago

I agree mate. I love Valve games and I've always played them on PC but they lost a lot of respect from me when they bashed the ps3 and its users. It's ironic how they must consider myself, a ps3 gamer, the wrong sort of person to be playing their games despite the fact I play them on PC...

Chubear3122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

Look dude, the only Valve game that's been worth salt for PS3 gamers in Half Life and that's always been on the Playstation. Any other thing is pretty much weak sauce.

There is nothing outside of Half Life that Valve has impressed me with enough to go back to PC gaming or even worse yet, go put $300 down on a 360.

Valve are behind the times.

The Emperor3122d ago

Want to know why PC's get cheaper prices for games and better support, is simply they pay SO much more for their hardware. You better believe I want free stuff on my PC, otherwise it's $2,000 down the tube.

Bnet3433122d ago

You make it seem like buying L4D on the Xbox 360 is a sin. It's not bad if you want to play chilling with your friends. The L4D2 demo on 360 was nice too.

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naughty573122d ago (Edited 3122d ago )

and unstable.

Don't really care for their games anyway..

Johnny Rotten3122d ago

honestly if all they have on their plate is left 4 Dead I wouldn't be too c0cky, don't get me wrong it's a really fun game but there's far better games out there on ANY platform.

Good article btw!

NecrumSlavery3122d ago

Valve thinks they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I'm not biting at my nails to have a Valve game on PS3, I'll just get the next Half Life on PC. No loss for most people. So they can just shut the fvck up and get off their high horse.

evrfighter3122d ago

they are the greatest thing since sliced bread though...

The Emperor3122d ago

L4D2 is going to be good. Most people (with both consoles, not just PS3 only) will probably acknowledge L4D2 as being a fun game to play with friends. I personally loved the first, and will get the second. For those people saying it is a very bad game, probably haven't played ALL of it, or haven't played it at all. I wish more people have played the games they actually hate. Then we wouldn't get what's going on right now.

CimmerianDrake3122d ago

the sad part is that you actually believe that. i don't see how a company that survives by milking ideas until well passed their death, couldn't create a new engine for their games to save their life, and basically prove that they are lazy by these very actions, can seriously even be called competent developers. while other devs, on pc and consoles, are coming up with new ideas and pushing forward, valve sits comfortably in the "evergreen" approach to game development. the reason they don't want to develop for the PS3 is because they don't want to have to progress beyond the Source engine and Half-Life Episode 2.3843683476431349731412465861 349871234 Volume 3, Part 65.

and the greatest thing since sliced bread is nutella.

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