Will Halo: Reach match the graphical quality of Killzone 2?

VGarabia.com: Halo: Reach is shaping up to be the best looking Halo game ever, but Will Bungie finally back its amazing gameplay with powerful visuals? Will Halo: Reach replace Gears of War franchise as the best looking exclusive on Xbox 360?

[Greywulf]

Then we will worry about Killzone2.

edit,

yeah.. Resistance 1's amount of stuff going on... THEN Uncharted1... KZ2 is a tall order even if Halo Reach is taking 5 years to get to the point of First Gen PS3 games. What was the KZ2 excuse? "It should look good if it took so long!" (looks at Alan Wake)

Disagrees... well you could easily settle it by saying what game trumps UC1.. or.. Resistance1. Or should I guess what Unreal Engine game you think does it?

[lociefer]

uncharted ? u mean resistance 1, nothing can touch uncharted 1 , let alone kz2 and uc2

[GWAVE]

Yeah.....the thing is that lots of journalists will probably give the graphics in Reach a 10/10 even if it doesn't manage to beat Uncharted 1, let alone Killzone 2, let alone Uncharted 2, let alone God of War 3, let alone Heavy Rain, let alone Gran Turismo 5.

They did the exact same thing for Halo 3 and ODST, even though the graphics in both games were incredibly outdated.

People will disagree, but the FACT is that the graphics in Halo 3 and ODST are not top of the line...heck, they're not even in the Top 10 of graphically-impressive games this gen. Halo 3 was even beaten by Resistance:FoM in terms of enemies and particles on screen at once.

[-MD-]

You say nothing can touch Uncharted 1 then go on to list 2 games that surpass it visually? Lolwut?

[umair_s51]

NO

[Chubear]

*falls off chair in roaring laughter* These sites and their hunger for cheap hits XD

[Saaking]

Not even close.

[sikbeta]

Who cares? I'm still playing the best games this gen, why I'm going to expect graphical quality from a game that I don't care lol

[mikeslemonade]

Nope no chance. Resistance 1 looks better than Halo ODST.

[steck67]

I agree with GWAVE, when it comes to reviews, reviewers will give it a 10 even if it doesnt deserve it.

I bet you that IGN, who gave a 9.5 for graphics in Killzone 2 because "the flamethrowers texture was weird", will give Reach a 10 if not the same graphics score as Killzone 2? I have a feeling that is what will happen.

[Ghostsmoker]

let's wait and see. They're working with a new engine, everything is possible. Killzone 2 has awesome graphics ... but Halo Reach could reach this level too if Bungie works well. But the should concentrate on the other mechanics too.

[mal_tez92]

There is no reason why it can't besides developer effort. I'm not sure but I think the 360 can produce KZ2 quality graphics (although it has failed to do so) if developers put in the effort. But really so far, no 360 game looks as good as Drake's Fortune. Gears of War 2 and Resident Evil 5 come close, but still aren't as good.

Whether this is due to technical limitations of the Xbox or lack of developer effort I'm not too sure, but I think the 360 still has room to grow. Whether it can match PS3 graphics is still unknown.

What I think will happen is that in a couple years a 360 games will look as good as Killzone 2, but by then the PS3 will have games that make Killzone 2 look dated.

[Chubear]

I'd say, first working on trying to beat R2 or try to match R3 b4 you move onto something like Infamous. Don't go near graphical comparison to UC2 and certainly even thinking about beating KZ2's graphics should even come close to being in your thoughts on this one.

[colonel179]

that even if it matches Killzone 2 reviewers are going to grade it as if it was better than Uncharted 2. Killzone 2 graphics are awesome, but are old now, and new games are looking better (like uncharted 2, god of war 3, and future games by the time Halo Reach comes out).

We also would get to see tons of articles in N4G saying:
Halo Reach graphics better than Killzone 2, PS3 sucks.
Xbox360 capable of Killzone 2 graphics, does that mean that PS3 is lagging behind?

etc etc

[NewZealander]

killzone 2 is so over rated! im sorry but its the most dull grey/brown un-origional game ive ever played.

this article is lame.

[cmrbe]

if it dosen't then it will really prove once and for all that the x360 is in fact inferior.

The thing though is that by the time Reach matches KZ2 graphics will be dated on the PS3.

In the end what really matters is that you have enough talent in abundance to exploit your console. This is always something that Sony had over others. Exclusive talent. It dosent matter how powerful the console is if you don't have the talent to exploit it like what happend last gen. This gen however it obvious Sony now also has the hardware.

Honestly i will be surprise if Reach doesnt match KZ2. Alot is riding on Reach for MS and i am sure they have spent alot of resources on this project. In the end i really would like for them to do a huge non halo project for once.

[lowcarb]

1st of all UC was on par with Gears1 graphically with both games having different areas that surpassed one another. 2nd gears2 surpassed UC1 which was then out done by KZ2 (not in all areas) and now UC2 (in all areas).

[ABizzel1]

Stop all the unnecessary hate. From the clips you can tell the weapons look a lot better, and that the game should be an overall improvement over Halo 3.

It just might be up there with the likes of Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 seeing that Bungie has probably been working on it since Halo 3 (since ODST was DLC forced to be a full game, and Bungie didn't make Halo Wars) so a 3 year development cycle should be enough to pull off some great graphics since they have the formula for gameplay and online down already.

Halo Reach may just set a new bar for graphics on the 360, but will it top the PS3? Unlikely sine the PS3 has multiple games with amazing graphics, but Halo Reach may be one of the 360 games to hang with the best of the best.

[Sitdown]

Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing....the fact that you got disagrees shows the ignorance of some of the users of N4G. Logic is definitely not a requirement for membership.

Ohhh, and I could care less if it matches the "graphical quality" of Killzone 2.....as a matter of fact, it might be a good thing if it doesn't.

[HolyOrangeCows]

Halo 3/ODST didn't even play in native 720p.

Unless this fabled "X-Engine" is real, I doubt that Reach will break any boundaries.

[sparta76]

What!?
Gears on par with uncharted Graphically...
I don't think so my friend...
Lmao

Edit; I hope so. M$ NEEDS to invest in good engine for the 360.
Best looking game on xbox is re5 and that's a mutiplatform game.

Edit; @ shadow co[k
how would u know? Last time I checked u need a ps3 to play uncharted..
@ss

[Darkstorn]

Killzone 2 is on par with Uncharted 2 in my view. There's no way any 360 game can touch those masterpieces of graphical quality. MGS4 is a looker too.

[leila01]

It will be really difficult if they keep the same features Halo 3 has; like Split-screen for instance...

[Bathyj]

"Ohhh, and I could care less if it matches the "graphical quality" of Killzone 2.....as a matter of fact, it might be a good thing if it doesn't."

Sounds like you guys are already practicing your surrender speech.

Reach is the Flaggiest Ship of your Flagship franchise. If it doesnt reach KZ2 levels then every Xboxer who mocked the PS3 should have the guts to say right here that XB is not as powerful as PS3.

[lowcarb]

Are you kidding me? DO you seriously believe that UC1 is better looking all around then Gears 1? Please let me try some of that stuff your smoking.

edit above bathye: Reach should look pretty good but even if it doesn't match KZ2 it still doesn't mean the xbox isn't more powerful. At the end of this gen we will know what console put out the best visuals and as it stands right now ps3 has the upper hand but by a very little.

[badz149]

MW2 and then Reach, and then what? Viva Pinata 3 matching KZ2? pfft...stupid journalism these days!

[lowcarb]

Those shots don't prove anything and only show someone took the worst possible shots they could find in Gears. Seeing gears in motion looks really good and UC in these shots are nothing to brag about.

[Sitdown]

"Ohhh, and I could care less if it matches the "graphical quality" of Killzone 2.....as a matter of fact, it might be a good thing if it doesn't."

Sounds like you guys are already practicing your surrender speech.
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Or it could be the fact that if I wanted the "graphical quality" of KZ 2, I would just rent KZ 2 again and play it. Halo has its own graphical style, and I am fine with it..I don't need it to be another KZ2. Ohh, and just out of curiosity...what would I be surrendering from? Check my post history, I own an ps3...and play it just as much as my 360. Now I know Sony slaves might not comprehend this, but I have no allegiance to a particular system, I enjoy them all......*gasp* Yeah, I know its hard for you to imagine some gamers not caught up in the console war, and just enjoy games no matter what hardware its on.

Ohh, and besides...we all know its about graphics right? I bet KZ2 has just as many dedicated gamers still playing it as Halo 3 has right? Please entertain us...why isn't the "graphical quality" of KZ 2 keeping gamers like Halo 3? Ohhh, and please don't say because the 360 has no other games...cause we know that is not true.

[WenisWagon]

It will SURPASS the graphics of flopzone 2. But since graphics don't make a game, it really matters about gameplay. And again, it will surpass flopzone 2, along with ANY flopstation 3 game... FACT.

[Xbox Avatars Shoe]

I LOL'd

[Sarcasm]

Why is it that every possible unreleased 360 exclusives that nobody has really seen or know about is going to be the next "OMG PS3 Excluisve graphics KILLLLERR!!!"

ODST, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, and now Halo Reach. Those games will look good ON THE 360, but give it up. The PS3 has title after title released that the 360 will never be able to do.

[mikeslemonade]

Hey you xbox zealots GTFO! Uncharted 1 destroys Gears 1 graphics and beats Gears 2 graphics. Nothing on xbox 360 has better graphics than Uncharted 1:Drakes Fortune which came out in 2007. Sorry, dudes go buy a PS3 if you want graphics. Some people need to have better eyes for things. The color differentiation between levels alone destroy Gears. If all games were grey and brown all games would look as good as Gears 1.

[JokesOnYou]

Gears 1 looks better than UC, outside of n4g in the real world thats what most will tell you. KZ2 and UC2 aren't way ahead of Gears2, as far as textures go, the nod goes to Gears2. Upcoming 360 games like ME2 and Alan Wake look on par with anything on the ps3. Get over yourselves, ps3 isn't on par with PC and can't render 2 yr old Crysis level graphics, console games are getting closer but this gen won't be able to match that, so therefore if Crysis is the bar, then KZ2 and UC2 aren't outclassing 360 games.

You sony extremists need to quit hating on Halo, nobody gives a shiii what you say, its going to come out and rock the world just like Halo always does, Halo Reach will look awesome, it will sell tons, and it will be the MOST PLAYED VIDEOGAME FOR YEARS on a console as usual, lol and theres nothing you can do to stop it....that most be a very empty feeling for you haters, huh, enJOY it.

JOY

[sparta76]

You some of what I'm smoking?
Sure here have some is called reality!!!
Dude come on! Uncharted looks better then gears 2. And like they said above uncharted came out in2007.
I know u love the 360, and it hurts is ok buddy...

@ jokes, what did you say!? Can't hear u, u only have one bubble( thank god)

I don't care what this game looks like, I just hope is good!
Haven't heard much about reach. PLEASE let it be better then halo 3

[JonnyBadfinger]

i guess it never hurts to have high hopes.... but those hopes will lead many to disappointment. I see the Halo HYPE has kicked off early this time.

Normally all the hype starts with about 6 months till launch when more is known about the game but 11 MONTHS!! REALLY!?!?

People need to sit down and wait and see.

Im not expecting it to match Killzone 2 or Uncharted 1or2 graphically, but the game overall will definitely be better than Killzone2

[Sitdown]

match the "graphical quality" of KZ 2...who actually believes ps3 fans would actually admit it? I personally think we are getting to the point where it is more about graphical art style, and because of preference...one will always say that their preferred game is better graphic wise. I mean we already see that based on those who prefer GOW 3 graphics over UC2 and vice versa; none of the games are slouches, and all deserved to be praised on their own merit. Keep the great games coming...

[WonderboyIII]

The simple answer is we will wait and see. However from those screen that could be real or fake, it doesnt seem like that is possible. There 2 sentences that are on topic and are free of fanboyism, unlike the nearly every post before me that is purely an xbox bashing 0rgy.

[Budg3tG4m3r]

Wasn't it once said that Killzone 2 graphics couldn't be done on a 360 but yet here it is Halo Reach still in development and it looks as good. The screen shots are even off screen and it still looks good. I'm going to be broke again next year.

[mastiffchild]

@lowcarb-mate you need your eyes checking if you think EITHER Gears games can hold a candle to even the first Uncharted. Let alone Gears2 being better than Killzone2 gfx in some areas-honestly I can't believe I read that and I love me some Gears as well. Don't even mention U2(it doesn't even deserve the taint of being in the comparison even if it wins, as it does, hands down).

As for Reach-we'll see what it can do but I've not felt a Bungie game was EVER that amazing graphically since, maybe, some parts of Halo2 which were, for their time, excellent but not even groundbreaking back then. People are asking for one hell of a step up in loomks here, remember that, and don't hang them if they can't quite pull it off-they were never all about the pretty anyway. Personally I'm just hoping it plays a bit differently as I think I've gobe as far as "classic" Halo gameplay is taking me-I'm getting a little tired of the same thing rehashed in that respect and don't ven play the H3 multiplayer much anymore.

So, hoping for something truly different this time round-though I'm also probably in a VASTLY over shadowed minority among Halo players there.

[loser]

of every lowlife idiotic sony fanturd that can be found in every 360 thread? do you losers have no life at-all. my god, every time i come on here, i see the same turds, saying the same sh!t, in the same blogs wrote especially for you idiots..lol

last gen when the xbox was far superior in graphics quality, the sont turds never cared about the graphics, now it's all they rave about..lol and uncharted2, i bought it, played it, enjoyed it, completed it and then traded it for forza3. whilst it did indeed have great graphics, it wasn't a game i would've run out and bought a ps3 for if i didn't already have one.

halo reach will be great with or without kz2 quality graphics, and will be a day one for me! sorry turds.

but seriously, what is with all this fanboyism? can someone explain to me how you become this mindless idiot, that loves a games console, and hates it's rival?? you lot are without doubt the saddest cretins to ever post on web-site. fvck me get a life you fcking losers..lol

[Karum]

He means nothing on the 360 can touch UC1, not anything on the PS3.

Comprehension is not your strong suit it would seem.

[O2_Addict]

Uncharted 2 is a huge leap over Uncharted 1 but even Uncharted 1 is far better, from a purely visual/technical standpoint, than any game on the 360.

Killzone 2 is a too much to ask.

Enormous amount of polygons.
Smoke reacts realistically to wind and rotor blades of aircraft!
When things explode, glowing (light casting) hot embers bounce around realistically.
Massive alpha effects filling the screen.
Huge amounts of physics driven volumetric smoke. Repeat: Physics driven volumetric smoke.
Huge number of real-time light sources.
Point specific hit response animations.
Superb AI.
Complex shaders everywhere.
Real-time god-rays.
Real-time object damage physics (walls, pillars)
The highest quality motion blur on consoles
Sound reproduction is easily the best on consoles
and on and on and on ....

Uncharted 2 is definitely a bit prettier, but in terms of all the background calculations and all the dynamic effects like particle physics and hit response, Killzone 2 is still tops.

Killzone 2 vs Gears 2
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[O2_Addict]

from a technical standpoint. Polygons, textures, etc...

Digital Foundry said that Insomniac deserves a lot more credit than they get. Here's the link.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

[etownone]

I keep reading comments about Uncharted one, as if it had the best graphics at the time.

If so, then how come games like Modern Warfare and Bioshock looked better and rated higher for graphics at the time?

Where are the best graphics awards for Uncharted?

How come respectable sites like IGN score it a 9.0 for graphics while Gears 1 and Modern Warfare scored a 10.

c'mon now you silly sony kids, cut this crap out already..... just cause you keep repeating something over and over again again, still doesn't make it true.

[Greywulf]

Do you want to lie to me right now and tell me you think that Gears of war, on the UNREAL ENGINE, has better graphics than Uncharted?Same with COD4? And do you honestly think BIOSHOCK\GEARS looks better than KILLZONE2? OR Uncharted2?

Lie to me etown, I wanna see how deep delusion goes. I could care less what some fat kid at IGN says that accepts $800 dollar Halo Swag bags to review a game.

I wanna see YOU try to compare Uncharted to Gears graphically, and by the way.. there are a ton of links that already do it.The unreal engine is a joke when it comes to boasting visuals. All you can do is bring up a number, well I can bring video.

Uncharted1 has the best graphics of console games -at is time- only surpassed by Killzone2.I can prove this as a fact by askign you to find your best Gears screenshots, and your best cod4 screenshots, then comparing them.I know you wont, but it will be fun to watch none the less.

Its like you guys just ball up on the floor rocking back and forth saying "its not true its not true.. gears is graphics king!!!" Its no shock you guys are amazed by bloom.

So Etown,

Do you personally think that COD4/Gears has better graphics than Uncharted1? I wanna see this for myself.

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

I wanna see you say that link is a lie lol. I really do.

[DaTruth]

On top of that their are graphical specs including polycounts and use of hi-res textures and transparencies that says Uncharted 1 tops Gears 2. Not to mention the infamous Gears 2, 2 Dimensional fire. Uncharted even makes fun of gears with their next gen filter, that turns the game all grey and brown.

These articles don't make sense; 360 fanboys will say it does whether it does or not. Even rational 360 owners are unlikely to admit the clear and blatant fact.

Are you guys gonna tell me that in four years, no dev ever decided to make a graphically top notch game, with your; "nobody has tried, but if they did they probably could".

[Bits-N-Kibbles]

damn are they milking this franchise... Didn't they just have like 2 different ones come out this year?

redonkulous

[CLANCY BROWN]

uncharted 1 was not that great looking at all- cartoony as all hell.Lair was a better looking game in my opinion(better game as well and it sucked pretty good too) KZ2 is kinda cartoony too- as a matter of fact all ps3 games look kinda cartoony. I guess the ps3 is for kids.

[jav0918]

Compare a game still in Alpha stages to a game that has been complete! That's N4G for ya.

[Unending Punishment]

It will will shatter it. Guerrilla will be put to shame.

edit: disagree with this statement and then the opposite of my title is what you're agreeing to ;)

[guitarded77]

Hahahahahahahahaha.... NO!

[DK_Kithuni_71]

..will match the graphical quality of Killzone 2. Will even be a tough one for PS3 games to match too.

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves is a fantastic game in my view. A perfect 10/10 in my book. Great graphics. But even that game has not matched Killzone 2 in graphics. Killzone is truly second to none in graphics. The attention to detail is almost ridiculous.

[Darkstorn]

@2.1-
I agree wholeheartedly. Killzone 2 is, and will continue to be, the reigning console graphics champion. Only Heavy Rain has a chance to dethrone it, IMO.

[badz149]

the movements of the characters look 'plastic' or shall I say 'blocky'!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

- when spinning his kid
- when he jumps in front of the car

the movement of characters in Uncharted 2 and KZ2 looks more natural and fluid IMO! I hope QD can improve on that matter by the time of release!

[Alcon Caper]

They're so dissimilar. Halo is rich with bright colors, while KZ has a more apocalyptic atmosphere. I'd love to see the new engine in action. Really, that's the best and only way to make a valid comparison.

[Chubear]

We aren't talking about scenery we're talking about graphical fidelity. What, it's hard to see KZ2 totally slaughters Halo3 graphically cause the scenery is different? I don't understand that.

GT5 and Spec ops are two totally different genres but I can clearly see with my own eyes the graphics in GT5 are miles beyond those in Spec ops.

Also, Killzone 1 had a wide variety of colour palettes but it was a natural palette not something that looked like you opened up a box of fruit loops. KZ3 will have the same environments as KZ1 so expect to see the Edge Engine pwn.

[StuffRokz]

is denying that Killzone 2 slaughters Halo 3 visually. anyone can see it does. i believe all Alcon is trying to say (i could be terribly wrong) is that we haven't seen the new engine in action so it's pointless to make graphical comparisons at this point in time. And even when we get that HD direct video, the different color styles may make it even more difficult to gauge which looks better.

if you're talking polygon counts or anti-aliasing or other technical terms, then yes it will be easy to tell when direct footage of Reach is out and there will be a right and wrong answer. but if you're talking about what people think look good just by looking at it, you're going to get more varied opinions because of their preference, and the question of 'which looks better' won't have such a straightforward answer when put in front of the average joe who knows nothing of AA or anisotropic filtering or Vsync or any of those other terms.

kinda went on my old tangent there lol. as for me, i think Killzone 2 was one of the best looking games i ever played, if a little lacking on the color palette, but since they wanted it to have that look it's all good. as for Halo Reach, i won't play it questioning whether it looks better than Killzone 2, i'm gonna see how much of an improvement it is over Halo 3.

[DaTruth]

Not seeing a damn thing after 3 years of developing one of the most popular games of all time, should tell us something. Halo:Reach will sell ridiculous millions, they might feel that showing the game could only hurt their sales!

Killzone 2 created hype by showing the insane graphics it has! And please don't say it was overhyped, because the only hype was the graphics and if anything it was underhyped in that respect(nothing could prepare us for that).

I say, just get something of what made Halo:CE such a great game into this game and you can count on my purchase of Halo:Reach and a 360 console!

[topgeareasy]

it won't beat uncharted 1

[DonCorneo]

and failo will still be sub-HD

[chrisulloa]

LOL it will, but even if it didn't it'd still be a thousand times better than that generic shooter KZ2.

[Chubear]

Halo reach should really work on trying to matching Resistance3 before they talk about beating Infamous graphics..b4 the think of UC2's graphics but to go straight for KZ2 is a sure fire way to get you're arse whooped...hard.

PS3 exclusives are trying to get to KZ2's bench mark in graphics. To think a 360 in-house exclusive would even hope to try to match that is lala land thoughts.

What the hell as the 360 shown to make anyone think it is even remotely possible?

[talltony]

First of all I can almost guarrantee that it won't look anywhere near the graphical fidelity of killzone 2. And 2 how can you think killzone 2 is generic while a story about a power ranger shooting aliens isn't? Cry moar?

[Upbeat]

how many fu*king articles and reports and all that sh*te must people write and talk about until the fu*king realise that the 360 HASNT GOT the power to run a game any where near killzone 2 ffs, its basic common sense if u know what your talking about, dont get me wrong they are both good systems, and halo is an epic game, but halo on xbox will nvr match the best of the ps3 exclusives grapicaly, and that fact, and if any1 knows the components of either system they will agree.

[RedDragan]

KZ2 is anything but a generic shooter. For a start there was sixaxis control that was needed to actually complete tasks.

Secondly, the graphic fidelity of KZ2 is still relatively unmatched in any game, and that includes UC2, and this is the fluidity of the movement of all characters.

Seeing the Helghast run and slide behind a barrier was simply mind blowing, and the clarity of the suit moving to the shape of the body while doing so was a game coding masterpiece.

There is nothing on 360 that delivers as much action on screen as KZ2, yet alone gets anywhere near the graphical level of KZ2. In fact, I thoroughly believe the 360 is incapable of such a feat without burning out the internal hardware while trying to achieve it.

Halo is for kids, hence the crayon colours. KZ2 is for adults, and that is why it is grey... it is a warzone. If you want to know what a warzone looks like then go check out the photo's from the Israel and Palestine fights, they are all grey! It is supposed to be war, not a cartoon lol!

Realism beats colourful fantasy anyday!

[54percent]

GIMMIEEE HALO : ROACHHHH!!!111 iz the only thing for bots to play

[alphakennybody]

Killzone 2 has something something that halo series doesn't have,that is immersion.With the realistic controls and the atmosphere combined in KZ2, no other fps make you feel like you're in a war bigger than yourself.

[mal_tez92]

Especially if you turn off all HUD

What does it for me is the feel of the guns. The shooting gameplay in Killzone 2 is way better than any other game. The feel while aiming and shooting makes it the most satisfying FPS ever.

The only bad things I can say is that guns are too weak and that you can't aim down the sight with the shotgun. Apart from that it is the greatest FPS ever.

[Fishy Fingers]

I doubt it, while you may prefer the style of Halo Reach I don't know if it will be as technically impressive as KZ2. Nothing on the consoles is.

Still, it all remains to be seen, we've only got a few crap off screen shots of an early build, you really cant judge squat from that, let alone a finished game.

[jerethdagryphon]

3 parts of graphics
geometry: this is the lowest thsi is the polygons that maek the world the guns the chars, this is what at a primium, whyile the amout they can use goes up each year , to much geomerty means you cant run animatiosn smooth and other thing

textures this covers the polygon and makes it the color you see, but flat
normal map, this maps the surface of a high detail gorignal model and uses that to fake extra geomery something halo and gear use to an imense amount
alpha deals with transpacence an reflection does that it say

shaders. alow you to manipulate lighting and color on a much finer basis aloweing greater facial effects and detail

uc 2 had higher geomerty and lower normal map usage for basi things

[knowledge4lfe]

jereth, i'm sorry but please go back to school and learn how to spell.that was horrible. i honestly couldn't understand what the hell you were writing

[DaTruth]

It's called ESL(English as a Second Language). If it bothers you so much, go to News4AmericanGamers!

[Bumpmapping]

LOL Hell no!

[54percent]

of course it will... Halo : Roach will match KZ2 with 420p and 15 fps and a plutonium battery and.... wait... that's not right

[djtek184]

Simple answer, NO. Halo had the same average generic outdated 620p graphics since the 1st Halo was introduced.

[-MD-]

Halo ran at a 640p resolution on the xbox? Because from what I understand native resolution on it was 480p.

[ambientFLIER]

First of all, it's 640p. Second, Halo 3 was the first Halo game to run above 480p.

[alaa]

lighting and particle effects this generation. That's true

[George Sears]

The lightning on KZ2 is ridiculous. Really something to admire.

[raztad]

Multiple Small Lighting sources is KZ2's main strength. It incredibly helps the atmosphere of the game. Really impressive tech there, nothing can touch that. UC2 lightning pales in comparison (a single global lightning).

Regarding Halo vs KZ2 visuals, I doubt it, but I dont think Bungie is capable/need to push that much the xbox hardware. ODST got away with such outdated visuals, they always can do it again.

[cmrbe]

Explosions, smoke, fire. Everything feels real. Very very immersive game. Play warzone last night and its a mad house in redec. Sh1t happening all over the place and wit no lag or frame rate drops.

[moparful99]

My first playthrough of kz2 SPOILER!!! (if you havent played kz2 and plan on it do not read on... You've been warned) when I got to the part where visari sets off the nuke it took my breath away. It felt so damn real and was actually kind of frightening. But as you progressed towards his palace embers and charred debris flittered around you and gave alot of depth to the atmosphere.. I still get goosebumps thinking about it..Also the deep reds and oranges gave serious undertones to what was at stake....

[DaTruth]

"Bu, bu, but, teh Killzone 2 is only greys and browns"

[moparful99]

@ above brown is the new red havent you heard?? lol

[bmatthews]

Just another degenerate article with absolutely no basis or point of discussion. Complete and utter flamebait if I ever saw one.

Also, KZ2? let's see if it reaches Uncharted 1 visuals first.

[TROLL EATER]

halo will atleast have multi colour and most likely will surpass KZ2 graphics

[DarkArcani]

*looks at your name*...oh, never mind, that explains everything.

[moparful99]

So wat your saying is that if kz2 was set in a spring time valley with rainbows and flowers the graphics would be better? Limiting a color pallette allows the developer to create a mood or atmosphere. We as humans respond to color in emotional ways therefore in kz2's case the lack of bright colors lent a sense of distress and uneasiness.. It was a very unfamiliar feeling which gave the game tension and kept the player emersed. I really like how the only source of bright colors were things of sybolism. The helgast's bright red eyes, their insignia, flames, explosions, and light sources.. Color is only part of the equation therefore your comment equals fail.

[unrealgamer58]

killzone would beat halo reaches ass, steal it's money, use the money to take its girlfriend out, knock her up and make halo reach raise it................... in a metaphoric sense lol.

[guitarded77]

Bubbles for you, you made me laugh while suffering the last hour at work on Friday.

[GR8 1]

This game is gonna make Naughty Dog cry and move to start making multi-platform games.

[Chubear]

O.O... rotflmao!! even YOU don't even believe your own BS lol

[DK_Kithuni_71]

They and the other PS3 exclusive game companies will laught so hard it will make them tear up ;-)

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Bungie and Naughty Dog are friends, guys.

They both respect eachothers' work.

I'm not a big Halo fan, but Bungie helped Naughty Dog figure out some ideas for the multi-player portion of Uncharted 2.

I respect Bungie. I do. I just wish they would move on to another series. They have talent.

[Upbeat]

aye ud like that wouldnt u, pitty they owned by sony son :D

[PirateThom]

Halo, all the 360 has to keep it from sinking into obsurity like the rest of the consoles that had no games.

[Socomer 1979]

a xbox 360 game matching a ps3 exclusive in development quality?
first thought: LOLOUDER!

[i3eyond the Circle]

If your asking N4G...NO.

If your living in reality.....who knows.

There has been no vids just some crappy blurred out screenshots.

[00]

that's all that needs to be said.

[-Mezzo-]

I Bet My Ass It Won't.

[The Iron Sheik]

No It won't. Not even close. Hell it probably won't beat Resistance 2.

[MetalGearBear]

no....

[aliens]

But nobody can deny the boring gameplay Killzone 2 had. It was sluggish. I hated the gameplay, every thing about it.

[Optical_Matrix]

It felt that way because it's realistic lol And besides you can turn sensitivity up and down to your liking.

[cyclindk]

Surprisingly, the mech gameplay was some of the most fluid... more than the infantry combat (before the patch at least).

All they need to adjust now is weapon recoil where it concerns the effect it has on the flight path of the bullet

Character 'weight,' still a bit too heavy.

SMG is too stiff

[DarkArcani]

You don't like it, that's cool. Just don't say that your opinion is everyone's opinion. I don't like arcade racers, but I don't say that everyone agrees they suck.

I liked the gameplay because it separates its self from other FPS.

[aliens]

I've tried the demo, really tried to like it. But the gameplay kept dissapointing me. I hate too realistic games... they are simply not fun to play.

[Ghostsmoker]

in Killzone 2 is far away from boring. If u don't have the skills don't blame the gameplay/controls.

[aliens]

''The gameplay ...
in Killzone 2 is far away from boring. If u don't have the skills don't blame the gameplay/controls''

The gameplay was too realistic, and realistic gameplay is boring. It's boring, and not fun to play. I blame the gameplay/controls because they are horrible. The game is unplayable, IN MY OPINION.

[silvacrest]

WTF are you people talking about? the gameplay was fine to me, perhaps some of you are to used to arcady gameplay from COD or halo

(which is why im glad my play time with both were limited)

when master chief jumps it feels like gravity is distorted for a second and moving marcus from gears feels like driving a tank yet you dont hear complaints about either and people play them and enjoy both
so leave the "sluggish" gameplay thing out

[yorkie]

Is the most fun I've had in a shooter ever, you may not have enjoyed the game and that's fine, but come on now, to say 'nobody can deny the boring gameplay' is a little churlish. That game is the most immersive, intense and gratifying experience I have had on a console to date, the game is spectacular both in gameplay, level design, enemy AI, graphics and the best use of the six axis to date.

[tripewire]

I put a new hard drive in and still haven't gone online with KZ2 since, just because the game to me feels better before the update. It might just be me, but it seems to look better too.

And no, maybe they will be able to get screenshots that look as good as KZ2, but they will not be able to build a game that works, and feels like KZ2.

[moparful99]

@aliens again your opinion of the controls and gameplay are yours but your asking for trouble coming on here and trying to pass it off as fact.. If you want fact, I loved the game and the controls but you do not which means people with similar tastes as my own will probably like this game. Thanks for your input but you arent changing my opinion of the game sorry.. Oh and YORKIE im gonna have to disagree with you on the sixaxis controls.. I feel that the sixaxis implementation in warhawk was far and above the best and remains so until this date. You may disagree with me but the satisfaction of mastering the sixaxis in that game is one of the reasons i fell in love with my ps3..

[yorkie]

LOL...I could never fly the damn Warhawks with the six axis, infact if I'm being honest I pretty much suck at flying Warhawks, but put me in a tank or APC and I'm like a man possessed.....I know the scale of six axis usage in Killzone 2 was on a lower level to Warhawk but to have any movement of the controller effect your aim when sniping was for me a masterful and most welcome addition to the gameplay.

[DaTruth]

But nobody can deny my opinion!

[rukia_chan]

hahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha.. ......

graphical engine of killzone 2 is incomparable imo.

only game match graphics of killzone 2 in consoles is uc2 or bioshock.

lol imagine killzone 3..

[knowledge4lfe]

youre joking right?? bioshock on the same level graphically as KZ2 and UC2??? you either need some glasses or a new tv.

[Qbanj69]

At least theyre not using the 'Paint' engine that Wii uses.

[Relientk77]

Gears of War will keep the crown

[The BS Police]

It will have color... unlike Killzone 2.

[JonnyBigBoss]

You clearly don't get it. I guess that argument applies to the best-looking game on the X360, right? Gears of War 2 rings a bell.

[FwanK]

Sure...

A lot of purple and more purple

[steck67]

Perhaps too much color? Halo 3 reminded me of Go! Go! Powerangers

[00]

are you blind it's purple and more GREEN, gosh you people

[DarkArcani]

Then you went to the other planet, which was in the middle of a lightning storm. I have never seen bright, shiny colors when there is a storm outside. That's just me.

[The BS Police]

Yep, Halo 3 has alot of purple
/sarcasm.

[silvacrest]

selected screen shots prove.....nothing

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

And jibberish talk from sony fanboys about a 360 game does prove something??? LOL.

[cmrbe]

Helgan is no Disney park.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Sincerely doubt it. I'd be VERY surprised if it matches Uncharted 1, let alone Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2.

[kaveti6616]

I think the GG said Killzone 2 uses roughly 60 percent of the Playstation 3's power. The Playstation 3 is according the designers roughly 20 percent more powerful than the 360 (they also said it could be the other way around). So, if that's the case then the Xbox 360 should be able to run Killzone 2 and still have 20 percent of its juice left over.

[FailureRate54]

It's like say:
Halo Reach will be a Good Game??

HELL NO!

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

It does not have too...the art style in halo does not allow such thing...leave it how it is

[suparmonkees]

How's Halo: Reach shaping up to be the best Halo or whatever, if we know nothing about it?

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Recall when ODST came out...now no one even plays it that much on live

[Elven6]

No one plays ODST anymore?

A. Most of the multiplayer is registered as Halo 3 on XBL
B. Halo 3: ODST was the fifth most played game this week on Xbox Live (gathered from ALL XBL accounts including Silver).

http://majornelson.com/arch...

[Mista T]

keep dreaming....

[swiftshot93]

There hasnt been a single game to touch the lighting of KZ2, and nothing next year will top the lighting either. Not even The Last Guardian, best looking game Ive ever seen (judging from the trailer), can touch KZ2's lighting.

[kaveti6616]

On consoles. On PC, there are a plethora of games that beat Killzone 2's lighting. And to be honest, I really think the lighting effects in Lost Planet 2 can match up to Killzone 2.

[mythamp]

I played the demo and did not find it mindblowing like KZ2, its good but it does not seem polished. To be very honest, it felt like the engine was stolen with a few customizations here and there just to be on par.

[DaTruth]

Killzone 2 has real-time ray-tracing. You can't even find that on the highest end PC in a game!

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

On the xBox 360???...
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
...NO!!! NEVER!!! ;-D

[Man_of_the_year]

Please Bungie, DON'T waste your time and resources to make a game all about graphics just to have a sub par, generic, rehashed gameplay with no replay value where a community just dries up and becomes extinct like KillZone 2....but this is MS and Bungie, i know they won't make that mistake just looking at the gameplay and sales of the Halo series...

[aliens]

The gameplay of Killzone 2 s*cks really hard. It's too realistic, and it's not fun to play.

Sure, it has great graphics. But who cares about great graphics when the game is not fun to play. That's like forcing yourself to play a game that is boring just because of the graphics, and I won't do that.

[Deadman64]

but but but killzone 2 looks so good to look at!! I'm a sony fanboy I dont care if its boring and peoples stopped playing after a month!! and if i get bored of killzone 2 i can just watch the pretty MGS movie that was exclusive!! and then after i watch that i can go on N4G and complain about halo being successful!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

You do realize KZ2 has the largest online PS3 fanbase, right?

Millions of people play on the KZ2 servers...me being one of them.

KZ2 is freakin' AWESOME online!

[weazel]

Please Microsoft, DON'T waste your time and resources trying to make a innovative, challenging new I.P just to have a mature themes, realistically oppressive atmospheres, and nerve-shredding gameplay with replay value where a community likes to refine skills and rely on self initiative like in KillZone 2....but this is MS and Bungie, i know they won't make that mistake just looking at the gameplay and sales of the Halo series... *fixed*

(love man of the year, skeletonss,MetalGearRising, and aliens...your biggest asshat fans)

[Man_of_the_year]

"You do realize KZ2 has the largest online PS3 fanbase, right?"

- You're head must be really high up your own a$$ if you believe that.

Killzone 2 has sold around 2.2 million worldwide...

Call of duty 4 sold around 4.72 world wide on the PS3
Call of duty:world at way sold around 3.64 million world wide on the PS3.

Killzone 2 IS NOT played by millions online and is NOT the largest online fanbase.

I still have no idea how it is that PS3 Fanboys make up lies so much and present it like its truth. Just so full of ignorance. Thank god i am not a PS3 fanboy.

[TruthSeeker]

Once again ps3 fanboys are talking about uncharted, which is irrelevant because this is between killzone 2 and Halo Reach. People, don't be ignorent eithier, you're trying to make a judgement on a game that you have only seen several screenshots for.

[DaTruth]

Once again 360 blogosphere is comparing unreleased games with no info to Killzone 2, when they have yet to top Uncharted 1!

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

2 different games. Killzone 2 is a dark war shooter over using the same color scheme like Gray. Plus most of the fights are small to middle battlegrounds. Gears of War 2 would be more of a better comparison. Halo 3 on the other hand uses more of a full color palette. It also has small, medium, and big battlegrounds. Halo 3 has a lot more open field levels than Killzone 2.

[kaveti6616]

Halo 3's campaign is comprised of narrow walkways most of the time. There are only two areas that come to mind where big battlegrounds are played through. Both involve Scarabs.

[grantps3]

nothing against halo, but i think the graphics are kind of cartoony. I dont think it will be like killzone 2 in terms of graphics

[xcox]

a cute and polite way to say:

killzone 2 makes halo 3 look like a PS2 game

I'm in a good mood today so I'll concede that it is possible that halo: reach might show some graphics approaching the likes of God of War or even close to God of War 2 (might be over-reaching a bit here)

amazing!

[KingKionic]

It`s not impossible .

If it does it would show bungies focused has changed .

Bungie usually focus more on gameplay and story .

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

And that's where Killzone 2 can't touch Halo 3. The control! I don't care how many people here try to defend Killzone 2's control mechanic. It's pretty obvious that the majority of people hated the sluggish control. Halo 3's control scheme is perfection.

[SoX FireBlade]

the controls were horrible in killzone 2 , worst controls scheme i've tried in this generation. and then they say the sniper in it is the best

how can someone forget the awesomeness of the sniper in halo O.o

best sniper in a ps3 game is the fareye in resistance 2

well i have faith in bungie i'm sure they will make a good looking halo

halo 3 :odst's graphics were good it was used in the same engine as halo 3 so obviously it will look almost the same

[cmrbe]

sluggish?. Your movement in KZ2 is more realistic than Halo 3.

[kaveti6616]

What makes you so sure it's "realistic"? Did you go outside and purchase heavy armor and weapons and try it out? And if it is realistic, does that change the fact that it's sluggish? There are so many other aspects about Killzone 2's gameplay that are not realistic at all. Did you know that if you should a person in the head with one bullet in real life, they die? But not in Killzone 2. Maybe there is a reason why the gameplay mechanic of most games are not true to life. You make fun of Halo and Cod for having kiddie controls, but fail to admit that their ease of movement makes them more fun to pick up and play.

EDIT: Clearly you didn't read through my whole post. I said, who cares if it is more realistic? Even it is more realistic, it DOES NOT change the fact that it is more SLUGGISH. While sluggish is a negative term, it still describes KZ2's controls, however realistic they may be. And yes, it is not realistic for someone to do a complete turn in a split second, but we are talking about GAMES. The 360 hardware is capable of running games with sluggish controls, but the developers for Halo decided that they wanted their game to be tweaked a certain way to provide for more accessible gameplay.

If you like Killzone 2's controls, then good for you, but there's no reason for you to bash COD's and Halo's controls. How about I bash Warhawk for being so unrealistic. That's right, I played that game. It's fun isn't it? But it's not realistic at all, either. Nevertheless more people enjoy the fast, slick controls for FPS than they do the KZ2 way, as evidenced by the number of players who play COD and Halo and Warhawk compared to the number of people who play Killzone 2 every day.

[cmrbe]

Did i say lifelike controls?. I said more realistic. Your counter is lame. Everyone knows that you can't do a 360 in spl-sec with heavy armour and gun. Basic common sense. KZ2 prefects this movement to be more true to life. The way the camera moves when you run and sidestep doenst look like you are floating on air. When you are near explosions your body moves accordingly and makes for a more intense war experience.

With KZ2 you do need more effort and skills to do well. COD4 and Halo even a 7 year old can play and do well on it.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

"Everyone knows that you can't do a 360 in spl-sec with heavy armour and gun"

Maybe not the sissies in Killzone 2 but a super soldier from the Spartan program sure can. :)

Don't give me this realistic jazz. It's just plain sluggish. Maybe a great idea on paper, but the final result wasn't great.

[Elven6]

You guys are comparing realistic movement in two games set in FAKE SCIENCE FICTION universes....

[Arnon]

Sorry, when I walk, my eyes aren't locked in position causing me to notice my bobbing movements as I move. Sorry, but Killzone 2 is not realistic in any way. Sluggish =/= realistic.

[SoX FireBlade]

Killzone's controls: Very hard to aim and easy to kill, even if you trained hard in the game you will still not aim well

Cod's controls: easy to aim and easy to kill, perfect for casual gamers

Halo's controls: Easy to aim hard to kill, it's good for both casual and hardcore gamers. causal gamers will play their own games and the hardcore gamers will play their own games (MLG gametypes). Halo needs alot of skill, a newbie can't kill a pro easily

[DaTruth]

Wow, fanboy goggles can also make your eyes move in a way that counteracts your bobbing motion when you're running. That's incredible!!! For me, I just stopped noticing it when I was three having gotten use to it, but am not lame enough to believe it doesn't exist. Kind of like after an hour of playing the game I stopped noticing it, but it still added to my immersion!

@Soxfireblade: Good explanation!

[MetalGearRising]

Unless u want the game to run at 30fps like killzone 2 no thanks. Anyway the graphics on Halo Reach will be better looking than Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 and the game will be running at 60fps.

[Theoneneo81]

MGR just stop typing BS please.

[knowledge4lfe]

i just wanted to apologize to any sane person that read metalgearrisings comments. im sorry that you all had to waste that time reading his comments when you could've been playing a real hd console, with reliable hardware. real exclusives. engines built from the ground up for the ps3. with free online.

[FailureRate54]

A power ranger game can't compete with any other PS3 game.

[jack who]

am sorry halo isnt about graphic crap web sites need to STFU

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I just wish Bungie would take the series a little more seriously. The "flood" look like gummy bears! I don't want to shoot gummy bears!

Have me shooting things that look like they could kill me!!!

I like Halo...and I love Bungie. I just think they need to take a different direction with the series or make a new IP.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I'm not sure it's possible.

However, Splinter Cell: Conviction looks REALLY good. I'll say the 360 could do the graphics of Killzone 2, but NOT the physics. There's just no way the 360 could handle the physics of KZ2.

No 360 game will look as good as Uncharted 2.

[bigrudowsky]

it seems possible but we'll have to wait and see.. imo killzone 2 looks better than both uncharted games. the plants look too fake in uncharted but it does have the best rain i have seen in any game to date.

[kingkobra2xxx]

I would want Halo Reach to try and match KZ2. That way every1 benefits. PS3 devs will try to push even harder and the next PS3 games will look even better, and 360 owners will get something that they have been missing in the graphics department.
According to me atleast, GeOW2 was and still is the benchmark for 360. Yes the hardware is maxxed but one can always code more efficiently, and even have some 'smoke and mirrors' to trick the eye.
Halo Reach, reaching for KZ2 is a win for all.

[maniacmayhem]

FLAMEBAIT ARTICLE!

Proceed with Caution!

Who cares about graphics as long as gameplay is on point.

[rukia_chan]

poor halo sdtv...

http://www.sonydefenseforce...

killzone 2 is halo killaz!!!

"halo reach graphics is better than killzone 2...

http://mob299.photobucket.c...

lol

[ThisPlaceSucksBye]

I really liked Halo 1, but 2 and 3 dropped the ball big time.
ODST is amazing, though.

And I'll say it again, K2 is the best "WW2" FPS out right now.
Sure, it's not exactly set in WW2, but it might as well.
Love that game, and I'd play that online before a rehashed CoDMW that's making everyone crazy.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Never understood why you guys say MW2 is a rehash of MW. Isn't Killzone 2 a rehash of every war shooter before it???

*EDIT @ Below...

Fair enough. Bubbles for a friendly reply. Rare on this site. But I think that MW has vicious AI in veteran mode.

[ThisPlaceSucksBye]

I mean, at least not to me.
To be honest, I'm just very burnt out on the whole CoD thing, so perhaps my comment was too much, and I apologize.
That being said, Killzone 2 has elements from lots of games, sure, but they're done in a most excellent mater, IMO.
The AI alone is better than most FPS's out there.

[ThisPlaceSucksBye]

And I guess I really shouldn't blame IW for Activision's boneheaded tactics.
I actually really enjoyed CoD2 and CoD4.
But it's hard for me to separate my hate for Activision and my enjoyment of a game published by them, which is entirely my fault, I guess.
To be honest, I really want that Special Ops mode, but I just can'r bring myself to buy a new copy. Maybe I'll buy it used.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Look at the last image, the mountains don't even look right, and XBOTS...I mean journalists think the XBOX 360 can support Killzone 2 graphics. First of all *I think* - meaning opinion - the XBOX 360 wasn't built from the ground up to be in HD because it wasn't even launched with an HDMI port until the PlayStation 3 came out.

That's why *I think* only rare retail games run at 720p while most of the PS3 games run at 720p with some running 1080p in the retail section. This is why I'm pessimistic about XBOX 360 development, nothing changes from game to game unless it's a multiplatform game with the PS3.

eg. Lost Planet series vs. the Halo series

[zerocrossing]

well as much as i would LOVE to critasize this screen everything other than the mountains looks ok, just realy realy blury! if you remember back on Halo 2/3 the mountains outside of your main root always looked terrible so just exspect them to be obstructed by buildings and plenty of grass and bushes,

other than that i agree with you 100%, the 360 can not compete with the graphics potential of the PS3, unfortunatly many devs cant get there head around the complexitys of the PS3's 7 dual core power processors but im hoping the new Edge Engine fixes this problem.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

lol, I didn't know that about Halo.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

First off, can you read?

"Using words such as Xbots and Sony droids, or other words from the console war vocabulary, is strictly prohibited in this Zone."

Second Killzone 2 isn't even in native 720p and it looks gorgeous. You are looking at a blurry LEAKED picture which you have no way of knowing where in the dev cycle it's at or if it's even real.

Unless you have a degree in game design and have a few critically acclaimed games under your belt I would guess you have no idea what you're talking about and are pulling assumptions out of thin air.

As far as the 360 not being an HD console that is just another poor assumption. The 360 has been HD since the day it launched and not only did they prepare it for HD but to include a HANA upscaling chip in the console to make non-HD upscale and upscale correctly. Unlike the PS3 which didn't include or at least at the time wasn't using a proper upscaling chip at launch. I remember the problems with TV compatibility and other upscaling issues until Sony got it fixed in a FW update.

In 05 when the 360 launched HDMI wasn't in use like it is now and really the only thing HDMI gives you over Component(which is perfectly capable of doing HD resolutions) is audio, copy protection and better communication with televisions(ie More plug-n-play like). You would find more HD sets with DVI than HDMI in 05.

[Arnon]

...and there we have it. One of the first N4G users to claim that the leaked screenshots of Halo: Reach (which could be fake) are what the game will look like, even though it releases a good year from now. Congratulations, you grabbed a blurry, off-screen screenshot of alpha footage. "Hurr- The mountains aren't even textured!" Seriously? Lets hope for your personal standing, that these are images from the future. September 2010 to be exact.

[aliens]

Halo gameplay blows the gameplay in Killzone 2 away. Killzone 2 has the most boring gameplay ever. Too realistic gameplay is not fun. Halo has fun gameplay.

Sure Killzone 2 has better graphics. But I rather have a game with superior gameplay and good graphics then a game that has bad gameplay and superior graphics.

Halo has good enough graphics.

[kevinx1000]

failo beach.
droids get lamer by the day!

graphics probably won't be as good but damn, halo 1 already beat KZ2 in all the rest.

[rbluetank]

the day bungie thinks outside of Fzero online prowess... (8 vs 8) is the day that bungie put it all into a game for the ages instead for the money band wagon... bungie has always half step since halo 2. R1 came big out the box; a 32mp on a new console and a solid sp. halo3 came out with 8 vs 8 and outdated match making system and a rehash sp. i just hate it when you can not play the maps you paid for or choose only the maps you want to play in a mp game. wtf did i buy then? no choice!! bungie and other tired astray dev are still using the upscale modes of the sp as following. when you play hard or legendary the enemies bullets count for more damage. wtf R1 improved on this with, we will give the enemies better guns/Ai approach for upscale modes. if you kill the enemy and take his gun for your own use in the sp. This adds life to the second and third playthrough. this what i call progress in gaming not this outdate BS by most dev out there. I doubt that Halo Reach game will run 1080p; when MS called out to their dev and outside dev to just run 360 games at 640p if necessary. Bungie still thinks "8 vs 8" is perfect. Bungie is not thinking about reaching for nothing but more money!!!! FYI Why is Halo odst (the DLC) being mention as game of the year? i bet anybody that this game is considered for GOTY...

[skeletonss]

n4g is so dumb.

a bunch of little boy pissed of geeks.

[Figboy]

i can't see how a 7.5gig Halo: Reach will be able to match a 25gig Killzone 2.

people well and truly dismiss how important disc space is for helping a game's visuals by storing not just higher quality textures, but a wide VARIETY of high quality textures.

do you think Uncharted and Uncharted 2 would look as phenomenal as they are if they had to be squeezed onto a 7.5gig disc?

even if the Xbox 360 was capable of visuals like Killzone 2, or Uncharted 1 and 2, or even Resistance 1 and 2, WHERE would the texture data be stored?

since developers can't require an HDD, you can't install the data to the 360. without a larger capacity disc, you can't just store the data on the disc.

so how, technically, could the 360 match Killzone 2?

i just can't see it.

but again, let's not jump to conclusions. Bungie is a talented developer, though tech has never been their strong point, so i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and if Halo: Reach is running on a brand new engine, it will, ideally, look better than Halo 3. that's all i can hope for.

trying to get it to match Killzone 2 is a bit unfair, considering the work went into making Killzone 2 the showpiece that it is.

i'll reserve judgement on Halo: Reach's visuals until i see them, but i can easily apply the logic of the 360's hardware limitations (no standard HDD and lack of larger capacity disc medium), and come to the conclusion that it more than likely won't match KZ2.

not like that'll stop the gaming media from praising it to high heaven, like Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST.

[kaveti6616]

No, texture quality is not based on size. Learn something before you post.

[moparful99]

He's alluding to the fact that with more storage you can have more uncompressed data which does affect the graphical fidelity. Squeezing all of that data onto a small disc hurts the fps which is where the fps vs graphical fidelity comes into play. With more storage and the ability to pre install data on the hard drive you free up alot of processing power allowing rock solid fps while maintaining a very high level of detail and texture..

[Figboy]

but i was trying to keep my post trim.

tell me, if storage capacity wasn't important to texture quality, then why don't we store the entirety of Uncharted 2's graphics library on a floppy disc?

there's more to visuals than just texture data, but you still have to put that data somewhere.

Uncharted has an incredible amount of detail put into it's objects and environments. there are a variety of locales/unique objects in the game, each given incredible attention to detail.

those texture assets aren't reused over and over again, like in other games.

for example, there are unique texture sets for Nepal, Borneo Jungle, Tibet, etc, and that texture data has to go somewhere.

who knows if it would fill up a 7.5gig disc, but i've yet to see an Xbox 360 game, in 4+ years on the market look as good as Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and even Ratchet and Clank Future.

obviously, there is some benefit to having Blu Ray disc size available, as well as the standard HDD (for the record, Killzone 2, Uncharted 1 and 2, and Ratchet Future 1 don't install to the HDD; data is streamed from the Blu Ray disc).

as for Uncharted 2, watching the behind the scenes features, Naughty Dog explains a lot of their tricks/techniques.

first, the SPUs are handling the majority of the post processing effects and physics calculations. the PS3's graphics chip, the RSX, is pretty much just rendering polygons. they said that because the SPUs were handing all the fancy, grunt work (motion blur, depth of field, etc), they were able to have the RSX handle larger amounts of polygons (which is why the character models are able to be so much more detailed).

then they developed a system that lets them blend a large amount of animations on top of each other; a mixture of motion capture, and hand "drawn." which is why Nathan can be running forward, tripping and stumbling, reloading his gun, and then shielding himself from hot flames at pretty much the same time, and with no loss of player control/response. Nathan's animation set is HUGE. animation is obviously part of the visual package, and no other gaming character in gaming is as integrated with his environment as Nathan Drake.

animation data is not small. that will also take up a lot of space on a disc, on top of texture/audio assets. the audio alone would more than likely take up a significant portion of the Blu Ray disc, especially when you take into account HOW MUCH audio there is in the game (93 minutes of cutscene dialogue, a full soundtrack recorded at Skywalker Ranch in the highest quality possible, and TONS of extra dialogue spoken during game play, while traversing the environments and sound effects like guns, explosions, vehicles, etc).

Naughty Dog also really worked with streaming technology (a specialty of theirs: Jak and Daxter was one of the first Playstation 2 games to allow you to traverse the game without a single loading screen, traveling from location to location seamlessly; if you saw a place off in the distance, you could get to it with no break in the gameplay). since the Cell processor is so good at streaming data, you can have it stream large amounts of data (ie, texture data), without the need to cache it to the PS3's RAM constantly. the constant read speed of the Blu Ray disc drive helps this immensely.

from what i've read, seek times are also relatively fast on the disc drive too. there may be repeated data on the Blu Ray disc to help the seek times, but the result is still the same: amazing looking games yet to be matched on the competing consoles.

the Xbox 360 is certainly capable of great visuals, but in four years it hasn't grown beyond Unreal Engine 3 and Gears of War (the original; Gears 2 was barely an improvement over the first beyond the lighting).

you're right, it's not just one element that makes the PS3 games look great (ie, it's not JUST the Blu Ray disc), but it's the COMBINATION of all of those elements that contribute to it: Blu Ray disc size, HDD standard, Cell Processor, RSX.

the reason why you can have so many PS3 developers saying that there is still potential to be had is because they are very rarely taxing all of those elements at the same time (ie, Uncharted 1 wasn't using all 6 SPUs constantly; Uncharted 2 is using all SPUs, but isn't taxing the RSX, or utilizing the HDD).

i can't imagine the PS3 game that manages to use 100% of the Cell Processor, the full capacity of the RSX, a full 50gig Blu Ray disc, and caches/installs to the HDD for optimal performance.

that game may never come, but the POTENTIAL for that is there. unless the 360 can drop UE3, it's going to always be limited.

it's why i'm willing to give Bungie the benefit of the doubt with Halo: Reach, since they are building an entirely new engine for it, instead of a barely updated version of the Halo engine.

i'm genuinely interested in the results of their efforts, despite not being a Halo fan, because i want to see the 360 PUSHED HARD, instead of coasting on Unreal Engine 3.

ALL of the major PS3 exclusives are using their own custom engines, tailor made for that specific game's needs, and it SHOWS. i think the 360 deserves the same courtesy. i want to see what it can REALLY do.

[ZBlacktt]

Blu-ray > DVD is the simple answer. No matter the game title. A Blu-ray disc allows dev's to go wild. A DVD is so limited.

[ShiNe-Box-]

Halo Reach will not match or even exceed Killzone 2's graphics. It's just not possible because of the 360's hardware.

It would be a total embarrassment if Microsoft put 60 million into a project and still failed to meet Killzone 2's graphical quality. That's why Microsoft hasn't funded such a project. They never will. It's not possible.

[cyclindk]

I'm not saying anything, but RAGE looks freaking awesome beyond words.

The explosions, textures, weapon models (though the few I've seen don't match KZ2 poly counts), vehicles, it all looks REALLY good.

[Jigga69]

the PS3 arrives one year later than 360 but this one still don't have game which can equal Killzone 2's power. That's just a proof that PS3 exclusivity can't be touched

Instead of making sentences like "equal K2" try to have a game in 720p native resolution. After that you can try to reach K2.

[Unicron]

I find Halo's levels empty, yet oddly aesthetically sound and visually pleasing. When you look at Halo, you know it's Halo. That's more than I can say for 90% of post-apocalyptic shooters these days. It can't compete on a technical level with UC2 or KZ2, but for some reason it still looks solid to me.

Just fix the last gen ragdolls too please. =)

[silvacrest]

i dount it solely on the fact that gears is the best looking 360 exclusive

[unrealgamer58]

"Halo 3 on the other hand uses more of a full color palette"

like Mulled Wine,Winter Peach,Perceptive Plum,Pink Reflection,La Vie en Rose

because halo is FA-BU-LOUS!!!!!!!!!

http://i216.photobucket.com...
http://seriouslulz.com/wp-c...

[nolifeking]

This was hilarious. +bubs

[Cyb3r]

Halo Reach might become the best looking Halo game but seriously it wouldnt be that hard to make a game that looks better than Halo 3 and ODST. The graphics look like those 2 games were on the first Xbox the amount of jaggies on Halo 3 and ODST look awful it ruined the whole experience for me

[chriski333]

halo vs killzone2 hahahahaha thats funny why would ppl write this stupid stuff xbox will never reach the graphic quaity of killzone or UC2 hahaha that made my day;} good luck halo u gonna need it plus im sick of halo stupid game and really can ppl please tell me what the hell is so great about the multiplayer im sorry i just dont see it

[crazydrummerlad1]

....not a chance

[albert_275]

I've been staring at the pictures ever since they came out. From them, you can conclude that:

From the Spartan Laser picture, poly count has increased and you apparently fight in space - possibility of fighting as the MC in space. On the bottom left, you see a part of what seems to be a mac cannon.

From the pause menu picture, you see an XP progress bar, and on the bottom right: credits. You get to upgrade your perks? weapons?

The build the dude photographed is evidently very early into the game. The environments are not done, which you can tell from the rock textures, which look worse than Halo 3's rock textures.

[Boty]

;-D

[espiritu604]

The devs dont want bright shiny colors every game has they want something deep and scary like real war, if you go to a real war at night its the same for killzone 2, They also had daytime too, u wont expect to see trees and grass and tropical blue water from a world thats been intoxicated with gas and ores.. HALO WILL NEVER REACH SOMETHING LIKE KILLZONE NOT EVEN THE NEXT HALO IF THERE WILL BE ONE, ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HALO TO DO SOMETHING RICH AND CRAZY LIKE IT.

[00]

so in essence you want every game to be black, brown, and gray.

[Boty]

I mean come on, really?

[Neo604]

look at gear 2, $8mil budget and they make like hundreds of million.
why put in extra work.

[Kroganwrex]

LMAO at ps3 fanboys trying to say uncharted 1 hasnt been beaten. Gears 2 craps all over it. It looks miles better, just play them both and youll see.

[Unicron]

And UC2 and KZ2 "crap" all over Gears 2 and its poor lighting/fx and heavy abuse of post processing. What's your point sir?

[NecrumSlavery]

I think Halo Reach will have the graphics of a more polished Portal. Less fuzzy/Jaggy but Killzone has set the bench mark so high, I'm wondermg more so what Killzone 3 will be like at 1080p and 60fps

[WMW]

360 fanboys reach won't prove anything if it looks worst well then the 360 is tapped out if it looks better who cares killzone 2 will be nearly 2 years old so it should better plus killzone 3 maybe right around the corner to retake the graphics crown.

[Ramses3]

NO.
Not in Xbox 360's lifetime will they make a 360 game that looks better then Killzone 2, or Uncharted, and definatly not Heavy Rain.

[godslayer429]

NO

[Eamon]

has been raped by Sony fans.

Why aren't there any intelligent gamers on N4G anymore?

[Diver]

you realize you are here, right? its hilarious when people get owned by their own words.

[Eamon]

I stand guilty as charged.

I should have phrased it: "Why is there a lack of intelligent gamers on N4G"

[silverchode]

it wont look the same but it'll probably be more colourful

[NecrumSlavery]

The emo purple that nearly all 360 games seems to be washed out in?

[Barragan]

i must not ignore what things we have seen on 360 this gen from 360 that arent exclusives, like the rage engine like someone said, and the cryengine 3 and all 3 of the latest call of duty engines also if its really true then digi guys has wardevil working on 360 and that game blows all games out of the water, although i still think RTE is only on ps3, guys we are just going to have to get the fact in our heads that ps3 and 360 are ALOT more powerful than pc fans and developers like crytek primarily tried to imply that they are, just look at what they said the limit of ps3 was going to be and look how far ps3 has gone past that, the pc fans push that crysis is the best looking game, and its simply not, i dont care what settings, ps3 fans are jumping on this article like uncharted 2 and killzone 2 are anywhere near ps3s full potential that is if it has a full potential but anyway from what both machines have been pulling out i would get everything out of your minds of what pc fans say and look at what we have

[keysy420]

I'm tired of these articles back before the ps3 and xbox 360 were on the market. I did a report in college on both systems and almost predicted exactly what would happen through out the years of the cycle, besides for the slow sales of ps3.still the important thing are the specs that were listed, even back then Microsoft posted stats that their system was not built for Television supporting 1080p the system would run native 720p and do 1080io output. A year after the ps3 dropped, the setting to play the 360 in 1080 p was added to the 360. Its not true 1080p its just upscaled, so these articles of the 360 matching the ps3 in graphics and physics quality is just bonkers. The ps3 isn't even maxed out because the hardware is still new (3yrs). It took to 6 to 7 yrs on the ps2 to make god of war graphics. The 360 is now using different software to run their system called the x-enigine great! We should from this point on seeing all games on 360 running in true 720p, unscaled to 1080p still. But no more call of duty in sub hd, so this x engine is good for the ps3 as well.
Ps3 specs have always been stated that the system runs in hd which is the reason for the blu-ray format. If Hd format isn't need to get the best out of anything hd. why did Toshiba and Microsoft need a add-on. hd format is needed to achieve true hd graphics. once again relating to hardware vrs software. no matter what the 360 does it will never have the hardware to reach what the ps3can do.

sony programers aren't the best from what we know, so that leave alot of headroom. Or they are excatly the opposite and their is more potential with the system than we know. still halo needs to be on the next gen xbox to compete with the ps3 physics and graphics wise. one has to give, either the physics wont be the best and the graphics are unbelievable (forza 3) or the graphics are ok but the controls are great (halo 3).

[GeoramA]

Will this Halo rehash finally run in HD this time?

[Eamon]

I seriously hope it does and have mind blowing graphics.

The graphics in Halo 3 were a real let-down

[Karlnag3]

I don't think it's likely right now but honestly I haven't seen any decent shots that are confirmed to be genuine so I can't really say. None of you should either. Saying no straight up is ignorant fanboyism. We will probably be free to say no as much as we want later though :D should be fun watching the 360 fanboy reactions. Shame they're so few though because they all have no bubbles.

[Russia208]

NO.

Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO

[arakouftaian]

That was funny

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Will Halo Reach match the gameplay of Halo 3? That is all I am worried about. I could care less how it compares to killzone. It isn't going to mean crap if it exceeds killzone graphics or not if the gameplay sucks.

[WMW]

" It seems that Bungie has been playing or watching Killzone 2 a lot, as you can see the huge amount of details that has been put in the weapons alone. Similar to what we have seen from Killzone 2." its good that they're taking notes from the masters maybe halo will finally be a good game.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

1. It is their flagship title.

2. They have made an entire studio around the franchise which includes top tier talent in the developer community from artists to animators to coders to writers.

3. The original minds behind Halo (Frankie) are still very much involved.

4. MS has the bankroll to make it all happen.

5. The game has been in development since Halo 3 so it's been in the oven long enough to make it something special.

All signs point to YES.

[nolifeking]

Most of that could be said of Halo 3 and we know how that turned out. If simply throwing money around would get 360 exclusives to look as good as PS3 exclusives, I'm sure it would have happened by now.

[Digitaldude]

Halo isnt really a game where it prided its graphics.
Just a lame article from some Halo fanboy.

[kingnick]

Well I don't think anyone's really been pushing the graphics on 360 as of late, Banjo looked good but wasn't something I wanted to play.

All 360 multiplats are going to look as good as/slightly better then their PS3 brethren depending which platform is the lead.

MS surely put the eDRAM in there for something and I wouldn't be surprised if we see something really unique.

One negative that could come about from the Edge/X engines is that we may see a large gulf between exclusive and multiplat games and I don't think the multiplat publishers would be willing and/or able to afford to essentially develop two different engine versions of their games.

I'm sure Activision and other publishers would shorten game length if they had to develop two different versions of the same game.

All the good looking PS3 exclusives have been big users of deferred rendering something we haven't seen as much of in exclusive 360 games but that's not to say it can't be done.

[younglj01]

Now that right there lets me know that i have tha best console on tha market.After all tha games that 360 have this is tha only 1 they think could match or pass KZ2.Thats a fuking shame if tha 360 is tha best console they would b trying to beat their own games not PS3 games.So bring on tha disagrees bc what im saying is true.I can see tha next headlines now will Gears of War 3 match the graphical quality of Uncharted 2?

[vShinobi]

Everyone needs to have a dream, keep on dreaming Bungie.

[DigitalAnalog]

Wasn't there similar topics about Forza 3?

[nolifeking]

And most recently MW2. I guess they feel there's always a light at the end of the tunnel.

[twintipskis34]

Killzone 2 whoopdy f#$kin doo. Ps3 can try all they want to kill halo, but they will always FAIL. just look at the sales figures...RAPED. Killzone 2 wont come close. Who gives a s#$t if halo looks A LITTLE worse than killzone graphically, there will still be 23094203948023984 more people playing halo online than there will be your precious lame ass PSN

[weazel]

Like you'd know what the fu*k you're talking about junior. All this "raped" sh*t when to be honest, you're about 5 years too young to know what the fu*k you're talking about. Stop trying to act grown up before someone hands your ass to you in a jug.

[sak500]

And which game is being played more? Ah yes Halo3/ODST and what about the century's best game KZ2? All hype about the graphics and a dull gameplay doesn't equal to fun game. I'd rather have a fun game then have a great looking POS game.

[newarknj360]

people understand 1 thing, 360 outperform ps3 graphically in 3rd party games the x engine is real and it will blow people away when its finally revealed im telling u from what is known 360 is a beast

[LinuxGuru]

sigh

[jumped out]

in just a couple of months after its release.They should focus on trying to match the graphics in Cod4 before going for Killzone2 graphics.

[achira]

lol kz2 pisses on any halo. bots are really desperate.

[JT_SYSTEMS]

Is that a needler carbine I see?

[fingazblank]

I wish i could gather all the pr!ck sony fan bois into say a little island and nuke the place.

Uncharted 2, Meh!! i thought gears 1 looks better, i mean, i really did, they should stick to making jak and i mean jak and let people with a bit of savvy make some men n meat games, like the unreal guys.

Killzone 2, is good! thats a given, but really, i seen better graphics on the force unleashed, you cant compare kz2 to halo 3, its not in the same ball park, heck it's not in the same league as halo, really it isnt. Can be honest here, own up and take note, Killzone 2 is little league, it's a minor thing, nothing to big, beautiful game but never never gunna challenge Halo i mean come on guys i know most of you are retards but surely you must have some brain activity.

Fact is sony will never be as good as microsoft, microsoft are western, japan are not :) Ms know what we want and we dont let obscure countries like norway (or wherever the hell they made killzone) make games for them.

Did you know killzone 2 was going to voiced by the guys from abba they brought along the 1970's keyboard to play the theme tune.

Onto halo reach...

It scares sony, Halo scares you, it does, so admit it, your scared, the thing is you just didnt see it coming.

I hate the japanese, they tortured my grandpa in world war 2 and killed loads of innocent nurses, so why support something when clearly they are horrible arrogant kunts.

Keep it western, we dont want this crap from the east.

[JT_SYSTEMS]

lol 0/10 dude. but it did make me laugh.

[jlemdon]

now that M$ is using the X-engine, it might look just as good or it might get a 1080P treatment of graphics.

[arakouftaian]

lol.

KZ2 look to good to be true
is like looking a video "movie"
not just playing a game.

the only game looks better than killzone2 is
gow3
but killzone2 has some photo realistic parts that noting can't beat
how can you beat photo realistic?

ps.

i forgot GT5 looks better than real life.

[nutbear96]

I don't think Gears has that good graphics but Halo: Reach HAS NO CHANCE of having better graphics than Killzone 2. It's a fact that no Xbox 360 game will look better than Killzone 2 unless Kojima Productions do something realing amazing with MGS: Rising (I keep wanting to call it Raiden). Maybe an Xbox 720 will have better graphics than Killzone 2 but NO Xbox 360 game will have better graphics.

[piramides30]

Gaylo Reach Vs Killzone 2 = FAIL

[gtamike123]

@NewZealander
"killzone 2 is so over rated! im sorry but its the most dull grey/brown un-origional game ive ever played. this article is lame"

You must be talking about the 2007 preview videos of killzone 2.
When the game came out 2 years later the textures did not look grey, the lighting colour looked really good also. The game looks so nice in HD and true next gen game.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Silber]

I wasnt a great Halo Fan, but since they added Coop-Campaign Mode, i love it. Its so muchg Fun to play it together with a friend. Halo ODST: was alot better that Halo 3 too. Sure the Graphics are somewhat outdated, but they have a personal charme. I personal loved how the game look through the Visir.

So anyone who jugde a Game by Graphics sucks. No one can tell how Halo: Reach will be, but all PS3 Fanboys say "Sh!t Game, it does not look like Killzone". - Go play with yourself in the bathroom!

Halo never was about Graphics, it was about Fun.

If you want to compare Graphics, take something that have good Graphics. Maybe Mass Effect 2 vs. Killzone 2

[sid4gamerfreak]

Why is there so much hate for the Xbox? Jesus, its not like it affects the PS3 or anything.
And besides, Halo’s graphics aren’t bad. In fact, Halo 3 could have had amazing graphics if they had created a simpler level design, but Bungie made a more sprawling and varied environment, and the graphics and textures kind of paid the price. Reach could definitely be as good, or better than Killzone 2’s. Killzone 2 had basic level designs, and so they could put more into the appearance instead of the game.
Not saying Killzone 2 is bad, its just… simple. It doesn’t have many different environments, for god’s sake, it has a color palette of brown, gray, and red. The level design is basically straightforward, and the enemy AI just isn’t top notch. I wouldn’t exactly call it excellent, I would say it would be between good and average. Not the PS3’s best game. Uncharted 2 fits that role perfectly.
And back to the matter at hand, it might. The gameplay pictures don’t exactly have picture quality of the highest caliber. But from what I can tell, the graphics look pretty good for an alpha to pre-beta build.

[sid4gamerfreak]

wow look at all these fanboys!!!
if you dont like halo, then why come read this article?
and if halo sucks so much, why is everyone still trying to make a “halo killer”?

[maspi]

ah! I'm very happy with this comparison media are admitting that killzone2 has set the bar higher.So high that killzone2 is un-reach-able.

[ludabenza]

Well if it could, I would certainly like to see it. Not saying that won't, however Killzone 2 is quite a tall order to beat.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

The day they try to achieve KZ2's graphics is the day everything else on the screen disappears including enemies, viechels, gunfire, smoke effects and many many other objects and landmarks.

This is the limit of the 360 and here's where the 7 SPU's of the PS3 jump in.

[XBLGT B1GMACNFR1ES]

shame developer can only use 5 of those for in game

[DJ]

Despite the one year head start in game development. Hell, most of its games don't even match Uncharted 1 in terms of quality and graphical prowess.

[TooTall19]

# of light sources used on screen in Gears of War 2 and Halo 3 - 4

# of light sources used on screen in Killzone 2 - 200+

[Crawdaddy]

you're comparing a single player game to a 4 player coop game, which doesnt make any sense. im pretty sure killzone wouldnt look as good if it had 4 player coop.

[Domer25]

I'll wait till release, then we can compare.

[strickers]

I thought no and then I saw the screens and now my belief is even stronger

[Thomazii]

And i find them boring.. soo back to Borderlands, Fifa and GTA DLC (thats what im playing now)

[CLANCY BROWN]

a fanboy loses self esteem. HALO REACH FTW.
SONY HAS NO ANSWER FOR HALO.
HALO IS FATMAN AND LITTLEBOY TO SONY'S HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI.
BONZAI BIATCH

[giovonni]

Talk about Graphics, and Little about KZ2's game play. I had Kill Zone 2 and the game wasn't as awesome as a lot of you are calling it. It's ok you guys are fans of Sony, just last Gen when Xbox was the graphical power house. It was game play, now this generation is graphics. To make matters worst the games being glorified really aren't as good as you guys claim they are.

The sad part about this is Although KZ2 has the " Better graphics" it will never amount to the universal balance of Halo or be the face of FPS. To make mattes even worst, Halo 2, and 3 were the worst out of the series I had a much better time Playing ODST then 2 and 3. I hope Reach focuses on the story line and emotional driven story.

[InLaLaLand]

with what you said about graphics and gameplay and comparing it to last gen. I have not seen any clip of Halo: Reach yet so I cannot say anything about it.

[Mc187]

LOL

That's like being the smartest kid in a special ed classroom.

[spektical]

lol in a word, no. In our CS GD class wer using 360 GPU and ps3 CPU and the ps3 processessor is a million times better. We are currently calculating the processor in terms of its power. In short the 360 has almost been maxed out, we figured out that certain code can be compiled into smaller bits, but the same goes for the ps3; however ps3 hasn't been maxed out even with U2 and KZ2

[Dutch Boogie]

lol don't make us laugh. No one has seen proper screens or better yet video of the game and already they are speculating. I say it'd have to first match Uncharted 1 before killzone 2 lol.

This site = FAIL!

[XRAYDL]

Comparing HALO and Killzone brings back fond memories...let's see if I remember my speach.

"...It's like comparing chewing bubblegum and chewing mud. Let me explain: HALO is bubblegum. It has pretty weapons, shiny textures, amazing scenery at times, and a highly polished feeling control setup. It isn't the truest realization of combat period, but dammit it just feels good. I despise M$ and even I enjoy the HALO franchise. What it lacks in graphics it makes up for in story. And substance should count for something in a world of disposable games.

Now, Killzone is like mud. It's gritty, dirty, nasty, unpallatable war - and war has never felt so brutal. It's more grown up, that's for sure. There was a myriad of problems with KZ1; and what HALO1 supporters won't admit is KZ1 matched HALO pound-for-pound. The only reason HALO *looked* better was because it was shiny and pretty - but the prettyness was only skin deep. The textures and models were pretty aweful. HALO2 attempted to look more rugged, but just came off as Master Chief pr0n. As far as KZ1, the weapons were brutal, the helghast are just plain scarier than the covenant (most covenant creatures are actually kinda cute...) and the "stupid" color palette of mainly grey, brown, black, and red was purposeful. Has anyone shot a gun into the ground? You chew up the sod leaving dirt. Gunfire, bombs, fires, and whatever else will leave that color palette mainly what you see - especially on a planetary war scale. I digress.

HALO games have always been fun to pick up and play. They feel good, the controls are snappy. Versus KZ games, the controls in KZ are a little slow. But, really - I am willing to overlook it. Isn't Master Chief a 8' Tall gentically-enhanced superhuman cyborg killing maching? In KZ1 you play Captain Jan Templar - a regular grunt that is kind of a baby sometimes. And in KZ2 Sgt. Sevchenko - definately a harder breed of soldier than Templar. Both Templar and Sev are tough, but carry lots of weight in ammo, weapons, armor, etc. So does the Chief, but the bulk doesn't affect him as much, obviously; so of course - the Chief would move faster, snappier, perhaps more precise, etc. etc. Just another example of the bubblegum versus mud analogy. MC is an extrordinary person in extraordinarily extraordinary circumstances; Templar and Sev are ordinary people in extraordinary situations. Both are part of a War much bigger than themselves, though. I think KZ franchise did win there - the war between the ISA and Helghan feels bigger. HALO just tells you it is, KZ makes it FEEL that way.

KZ2 was amazing, graphically. I, personally, dug the gameplay, too. Just too short! The weapons felt brutal, purpose-built to kill, the maps were great, the atmosphere exactly what they were looking for, and the colors true to the planet Helghan and a large-scale urban warzone. The gameplay of KZ can get a little sluggish - one cowardly bad-guy can frustratingly delay progress by not rushing out to meet his maker; but even this is realistic. I think a little polish and buff-job on the gameplay (like secondary weapon functions) a little more varied weapons, and some accuracy/damage refinements and the gameplay would be rock solid. I think with the KZ engine already in place - these areas of concern would be easy to address. Where the KZ franchise could improve most is more story. I like KZ1, and got attached to characters, but nothing really grabbed me in KZ2. More story, longer campaign, and I think it'd be epic. And a HALO Killer: HALO is like Girls Gone Wild; whereas KZ is a snuff film - if that makes any sense.