Speaking with OPM in the UK, Randy Picthford has questions the motives behind the discussion not to support the PS3 by Vavle. Randy Picthford has worked with vavle in the past, and gave his opinion on the PS3 to the magazine. He states..
Good for him, I love Valve, being a big PC gamer they've provided me with some of the best gaming experiences I've been lucky enough to enjoy, but it just seems as though their cutting their nose of to spite their face. Problem now, after they're stupid jabs they're possibly scared to pick up the PS3 because this will make them look like douche bags in many peoples eyes. While I'll never play their games on a console, I'm all for people playing games on whatever they want and I'd like to see them support us all.
that valve has used sleazy practices on the ps3. his words not mine....although i do agree
Valve pretty much gimps or doesn't release anything not on PC. Sure you have the orange box on 360, but there are never any updates. Just stick with the PC platform when it comes to their games.
The President of Gearbox should question their lack of testing on the PS3 version of Borderlands before questioning other's support of the platform. Anyway, who cares why Valve doesn't want to do games on the PS3. Look at the comments here; read them then try to figure out where the PS3 market is for Valve if they suck so bad and their games are old and tired. So why should they bother? They don't want to develop on the PS3 then they don't want to - simple. Gabe apologized for any bashing done and Valve doesn't do it anymore. No one is questioning Insomniac for why they don't want to develop on anything other than the PS3.
Coming from a developer who hasn't been able to make a SINGLE PS3 game run properly at launch... Also, Pitchford seems to want to attack Valve at every opportunity, I guess he's jealous that A. No one supported him on his Steam argument. B. Steam was responsible for a majority of BiA: HH sales since no one bought it. (and with good reason, it ran like crap on everything!)
I've never been blown away be anything from valve so I dont give a f*ck what platforms they choose to support. If anything, now I just think they are retarded for all the crap they've said in the past. Sucks.
But insomniac doesn't go around saying the 360 is trash. All valve did for the first 2 years of the PS3 cycle is trash Sony, the PS3, and its games. And is it a wonder why they don't talk sh!t about the PS3 anymore. Now that the PS3 has games up the ying-yang that are of far greater quality then anything developed by valve. What are they going to say when they got Uncharted 2, R & C, killzone 2 and other great games to shut up all their trash talk.
I cant believe that after two years you guys are still so bitter because of what Valve said about the PS3 especially since he's already apologised. Moreover it sounds like he PERSONALLY hurt you all when he dissed the PS3...dont forget its only a chunk of plastic and electronics, it has no feelings at all. Its behavior I cant understand because no matter how big a 360 fan I am, it wouldnt do me sh*t if it were the 360 that Valve treated this way. I mean he dissed the ps3 TWO years ago, and so what ?! The ps3 isnt some kind of god as far as I know. edit: Lol Blaze we had the same thought at the same time.
"But insomniac doesn't go around saying the 360 is trash. All valve did for the first 2 years of the PS3 cycle is trash Sony, the PS3, and its games." WHO CARES!? Are you Sony? Are you Microsoft? Are you Playstation? Are you Xbox? ARE YOUR FEELINGS BEING HURT!? NO, so WHY DO YOU CARE? That was more than 2 years ago! Let them quarrel, bicker, and trash talk. At the end of the day, they still aren't developing games on the PS3.
but maybe he needs to make games that dont have GAME BREAKING BUGS ON THE PS3 before he starts talking like this, i lost all my skill points and Weapon proficiency in borderlands with a level 37 hunter, 30 hours wasted, i have to start all over.
In conclusion Valve's ceo is a greedy pig.
Randy Picthford is starting to sound like a jealous a** and really should stop commenting on Valve and how they do business. Valve is an independent studio who can make games for whatever platform they like. I don't see him making the same comments about other independent developers who only make games for 1 platform. Randy's had a hard on for Valve and it has nothing to do with which platform they support and everything to do with the success they've had with Steam. Shut to fu*k up Randy! Valve as a company could do whatever the fu*k they want. It's their choice. Edit @ PS3 fanboys What Gabe said about the PS3 was what every developer was thinking at the time and many still do; The PS3 is a great piece of hardware but not for how developers make games. Forcing developers to relearn how to do their jobs is arrogant. Sony made the console and basically told developers to figure it out. Early support from Sony to developers was almost non-existant. Edit @ below Yeah he was a douche but he didn't have to pander to Sony so he spoke his mind. Denis Doak said the same thing but only after Haze bomb. He just sounded bitter.
I've always thought it to be not appropriate for game developers to make comments like that on the various consoles. Just seems like bad business to me. Also Gabe was a former Microsoft employee, which may explain his fandoy comments. Valve do great games, but there not doing anything that even comes close to stressing the current consoles. With the exception of the Left 4 Dead games, they usually take a very long time to get a game out. In my opinion the Left 4 Dead games are over priced and are not worth $60, good games not enough there to warrant the price. @Stanlee Most developers were just saying that it was a powerful system but it was difficult to develop for, plain and simple. Gabe Newel said that it was worthless and they should (Sony) trash the PS3 and start all over, none of which was said in a professional manor. @Elven6 All three versions of Borderlands had to be patched for online problems. And now all three versions work equally as well. Not the first time the Online portion of a game had to be patched or had problems out of the box. Can you say Gears Of War 2?
Time for the stirring PS3 fans to take some action and boycott Valve PS3 games.
Insomniac doesn't work on other platforms because they don't have to. By working with Sony they have a constant flow of money, without Sony there would be a less secure situation. They don't have to worry about finding a new publisher or getting someone to support a new IP. It's a much simpler process. Besides, they put out a game a year; their a well oiled machine and they'll probably be bought by Sony in the future. Valve, on the other hand, doesn't really any reason not to support the PS3. They're not being published by MS but they choose to only support their platforms. That's not even the problem though. The problem is their smug, condescending attitude toward the PS3 even though PS3 devs have been able to put out better all around games then Valve. You didn't ever hear about BioWare talking trash about the PS3 Now, don't get me wrong I love Half-Life and all, but their fanboys. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. Gade said that the PS3 should be scrapped and Sony should start over, yet that's the exact thing I thought when playing Left 4 Dead. The Gearbox guy is right, there is something sleazy going on. Why on earth would you disenfranchise a potential group of consumers? Why would a corporation present themselves in such a disrespectful manner? How in the hell do they think that would benefit them? You ask them why they care? Maybe they only own a PS3? Did you ever think of that? Why do you care that they care? Why did you comment? We're gamers who have opinions. That is what a comment section is for. Just as you don't care what Valve says, there are people who do. Maybe they feel like it's disrespectful. Maybe they feel like it's unprofessional for a multi-million dollar company to be burning bridges with possible consumer bases. I don't really know, but your defense of their comments seems rather odd. EDIT: lol at me wall of text. (no one is going to read that...)
With out the marketing they put into those shotty game they would be left in the dust. Their tech is old , no one talks about their engines at all anymore. They are surviving only because of the media hype and advertising they spend along with the Fanboy following they have from the PS3 'Jabbs" all I can say is the Halflife,tech is showing its weakness & age, and as soon as latest ID tech5 is out and Cryengine,they will no longer have any hold in PC gaming..RIP Vavle.!!!FPS after FPS nothing new!!nothing new Hear move on..
Eddie20101: I said "at launch", I really don't see what Gears of War 2 has to do with this considering how this argument is about Gearbox who on their own haven't been able to make a game run properly at launch on current gen consoles or in the case of BiA: HH, never.
Valve and Turn 10 are nothing but a bunch of fanboy devs. Its shame they exist it really does and I am not saying they are because they only make 360 games. I don't think Bungie are fanboy devs nor Lionhead studios who are both 360 exclusive and made great games. They just come out with complete fabrications to cover up the fact there either lazy devs or in turn 10s case their game isn't gonna be as great as another instead of being a decent dev like Bungie and being honest with your fans. I seriously hope EA buys Valve up as it would make sense for them getting hold of the Steam engine etc.. and it would shut them up once and for all.
Valve games are not that bad i mean L4D is good but gets gets boring quickly. The source engine is also looking quite dated and their are better games coming out. Valve need to adapt and change their strategies which includes the PS3, but I cannot see that happen really!
sounds like hate to me, valve knows what there doing
I still dont see/understand whats so shocking with the fact that Valve arent interested with the PS3. I mean dont they have a right to choose what platforms they develop for ?
valve does need to change abit, a new engine would be nice along with a new IP. After playing the LFD2 demo im severely dissapointed, its identical to the original, its still fun but nowhere near justifies a full game release. And where the fish is Half-life episode 3 / Half Life 3.
clearly you dislike the ps3 and everything involved in it yet you find yourself in everything PS3 related sharing your "VIEWS". arent you tired?
Oh geez shut up already. Put me on ignore if you are not happy.
You are getting a little out of control. It is true that you are in many PS3 related articles spinning and downplaying the PS3. I'm sure you love your 360 so why aren't you spending your time in 360 articles? Not enough good news on the 360 side for you? I'm sure there's an article stating MS is allowing a new web site to XBL or that a 360 multiplatform title is releasing soon which should get you excited to post in the 360 section. Look, I loath the 360. MS has bought their disrespectful and unethical business practices to the console arena. Still not rectifying their poor quality build fully and charging gamers to play their games on line is shameful. I find their lack of real exclusives that stay exclusive amusing. Also MS closing down and losing 1st party Devs a statement of how much they value their fans. I could very well go into every 360 article spewing similar nonsense like you but don't because it isn't necessary. It makes one seem desperate. Like you.
I agree left 4 dead does get boring extremely quickly theres nothing to it which is why i'm surprised so many people are excited for a sequel.
It just seems like a stupid business decision imo not to support the Ps3. I mean i can understand it 2 years ago, but now with the installed base approaching 30,000,000 how can you NOT support it as a "game" developer? Despite the bad press and the glitches I bought the Orange Box at full price when it released on the Ps3 and I wouldn't think twice about buying Halflife episode three or whatever they will call the next Halflife because all I care about is good games. Oh well if they don't release it on Ps3 then I'll buy it for my 360, even though I prefer gaming on the Ps3.
Indy devs can choose for which platform they develop their games. Before asking yourself how can Valve ignore a 30 million people market, ask yourself how insomniac can ignore a much bigger market (360 + PC combined), as they also are independant. Valve is, and will likely always be, a Pc developper. They make PC games with the PC architecture in mind. Porting from PC to X360 is easy, very easy actually. Porting to the PS3 however, requires more work, as shown by Bayonetta for example. For Valve, to port a game to the X360 means little extra work, and big incomes. If they dont want to develop games for the PS3, just let them be. Buy it on PC or on the 360, or just dont buy them at all.
Insomniac are not ignoring the 360 market so your argument is pointless they clearly said they wouldn't mind making a 360 game but the games they have out right now the ip's are owned by Sony so stop chatting complete CRAP. Unlike MS Sony exclusives are real exclusives as unfortunately for MS since they also own the biggest OS in the world there exlcusive contracts cover Windows aswell as 360 as its an MS contract Not a 360 contract. Sony doesn't have a PC OS worldwide used. So Insomniac are not ignoring PC/360 gamers its impossible for them to release there big games on 360/pc thanks to publishing rights owned partially by Sony. Just like with Gears 1 & 2. Facts my friend FACTS.
...Developers always have their opinions on consoles. They have always had their preferences. Why is it that people complain when a company doesn't want to work on the PS3, but cheer when they only want to work on it? I don't understand the bias. If Valve doesn't want to deal with the system, that is their choice. There are companies the prefer the PS3 and thus make great games on it. Accept it and move on. The only people who care about this are fanboys, and who about fanboys any way?
hated greatness There is nothing wrong with choosing one console to support but Valve has talked trash about the other console at the same time. You don't here Insomniac talk trash about the 360, or Level 5, or any number of other 2nd party developers do what Valve has done. It sounds like you don't really care about fanboys, so how come you are defending Valve, seeing as by their actions and crap talking they can easily be considered a fanboy developer.
Gabe basically apologised and that should be the end of the matter. Weather they develop for the PS3 or not should be their right to excercise and PS fans should respect that. PS already has alot of devs already. Its not like we PS fans are starved of PS exclsuives right?. I am all for console exclusives and devs that push the limits of their respective platform of choice. That will ensure the best possible gaming experience for us gamers and why i will never want a single console gen. That will be a disaster. From what i read, Gabe doesnt want to put out second rate versions of their games that will screw PS fans. I respect this alot. I respect devs that respect me as a gamer to not give me second rate bullcrap. Do PS fans want that?. In the end, I think it has nothing to do with talent or resource or saving face. Rather, its a paradigm shift in game development that the PS3 game dev represent that Valve is not in support of. Let it be.
My friend ... they are giving mixed messages then. If they really believed that they don't want 2nd rate versions on any platform ... why make the Orange Box for the PS3. EA gave them a sack of dollar bills and things change. Although that game was published and ported by EA Dev, it is a Valve game. It is a representation of a Valve product.
Gabe did apologise to those PS fans that got burned with the Orange Box fiasco. That is when Gabe made it clear again why they don't want to do anything on the PS3 because they don't have the talent or resources to do a good enough job on the PS3. The thing is it seems like everyone is trying to force Valve to develop on the PS3 when obviously they don't want to. If they do and another Orange box eventuate it will not be good for Valve or to us PS gamers. In fact i would be pretty pissed. As a PS gamer i don't want second rate crap on the PS3. Hey that's just me.
You and me the same. Yes he did. The article was on N4G and from an interview about 3 months ago. Originally i hated him for blasting the PS3 without doing anything on it then the whole Orange box PS3 disaster. As Randy said in this article. I was appaled when Valve distance themselves from the PS3 port and allowing PS3 fans to get screwed. That really did pissed me off. He explained later that he didn't want to but was more or less forced to do so when they don't have the resources or talent to do so. I believe him because i was surprised that they announced a PS3 version as well for Orange box considering Valves stance on PS3 development. Thats why alot of people were calling them out as being lazy or that Sony should help them out. Truth is i know they can hire more people and definately have the talent. From my observation and this is just my opinion the problem is Gabe dosen't like where game dev is heading if the PS3 is sucessful. I laugh at people that say they don't develop on the PS3 because they are lazy or are not talented. Lets not forget that they are one of the powerhouse in PC gaming and they after all did created HL.
i agree with you i mean i admit i am a bit dissapointed because it was a bit of a tease but if valve dont wanna develop for the ps3 they dont have to i mean look at the orange box it was a disaster and to this day i will not buy that game , and like you said valve didnt wanna make a ps3 port so really i would rather valve not make a game on the ps3 than make a sh!tty port
I understand your post and respect your opinion, but really this is all Valves own fault. They painted themselve into a corner and now have to stand there until the floor is dry. They didn't want to get into the PS3 in the beginning because it was too hard for them. In the early days, a bright, handsome, young poster named Bathyj sectulated, any dev not doing their homework now on the PS3, was only going to have it tougher later when they realised there was a market for games on it, but they had been left too far behind on the technical curve. Instead of complaining this was hard and that was wrong, they should have been getting help, which Sony seems only to happy to give, and then maybe they wouldn't be where they are now, to afraid to try to learn less everyone see what a poor job they've done with keeping up.
I honestly don't think they were looking at making money from the PS3. Valve imo is content with what they have going on the PC with steam. If you look at all PS3 exclsuive devs. Most have thrown away their codes from previous gens to start new on the PS3 this gen. It happend with ND, I.G and PD to name a few. To me this is what Valve really fears. Gabe when he bashed the PS3 made clear that he saw no value in producing for the PS3 because its a very new and different platform that will not allow them to use their investment in PS3 on anything else currently or in the future. I believe this is why Valve never produced for the PS2 as well. I believe at the core valve dosent like where the PS3 is taking game development and really don't want to be a part of it. Valve just loves their source engine too much.
It does have to be questioned. It really does. Come on Valve. Stop it, nearly everyone is accepting the PS3, even Epic, Gearbox, Crytek and Id. By not developing for one platform which is capable of every feature that your games have you are beginning to make yourselves look not as capable as the other developer legends also I want to play Valve games online through PSN and possibly play mods. You are raking in money through Steam as a publishing sector all the time, do you SERIOUSLY think that we don't know you have the resources for PS3 development? From a developer that stayed away from consoles, you developed for the PS2, a unreleased Dreamcast port and the XBOX and now the 360, there is no reason to ignore the PS3.
Valve never developed for the PS2 or Dreamcast. The Half-Life port was done by none other than Gearbox and they did a decent job with it.
Would have loved Orange Box to be done by Gearbox then :) The port isn't bad visually (Orange Box). If they gave the user the option to install the whole game to the hard disc, you would have seen vast improvements to load times (a major problem in the game).
I stand corrected!
Yeah I had a blast playing orange box when it released on the Ps3 but the load times were a major put off. It the games weren't so good I would have given up playing them.
Valve doesn't develop for the PS3 because they're PC developers. How hard is that for you guys to wrap your heads around?
Lies! L4D series is a 360 exclusive. *giggles*
Watch Panda spins this. The president of GEAR BOX QUESTIONED VALVE. Also if valve is so dedicated to the pc crowd why are they developing for the consoles like the xbox 360? I know your excuse is because it's cheaper to port and it's also the same architecture as the pc. Sadly for you will say it's a 3rd party port but no proof will be shown by you.
ps3 games are developed on pc's as well. In fact, some devs don't even have ps3 kits. your comment is pwnd.
For example some PSN games, well a lot of psn games.
Left 4 Dead was ported to the 360 by Certain Affinity.
Yep. Certain goddamned Affinity ported L4D to 360.
@ above comments Make no mistake, Valve(or Certain Affinity) only ports their games to the 360 because it's requires little work to sell a few million more copies. I played the Left 4 Dead 2 demo today on the 360 after trying the PC version last night. The 360 version has no full body awareness just like the first game on the 360, despite the original on the PC having it. This is likely due to the fact that when you play Left 4 Dead on the PC on medium quality settings, it disables full body awareness. The frame rate was just awful in split-screen mode to the point of being near-unplayable. Also, bodies disappear almost instantly in split-screen, and the improved gore is not available with two players. Simply put, Valve's Xbox offerings are sloppy PC ports with lower graphical settings, without the game being specifically tailored to the 360's strengths. It's actually pretty funny because the PC version graphically isn't anything to write home about either, and a developer putting more resources into their game could end up with a much better looking title on either platform.
The PC demo has no full body awareness either. I don't know what's up with that, but I hope it'll be in the release. And it's kinda hard to tailor games to the 360's 'strengths' when it's basically a PC from 2005.
@ Pandamobile Not exactly; the R500 based GPU in the 360 has unified shaders, eDRAM, and supports hardware tessellation. The first desktop video card to have unified shaders was the 8800GTX in late 2006, and the first video card to support tessellation was the HD 2900XT a few months after that. Also, the RISC based PowerPC CPU in the 360 is pretty different than Intel or AMD's x86 desktop offerings, for better or worse. There is no doubt that current PC hardware is more powerful than the 360's, but it is certainly capable of a lot more than what Valve's titles have done on the platform.
The Radeon x1800 or whatever the 360's GPU is isn't exactly a powerhouse, and I doubt you'd have much luck running L4D2 with all the eye candy on at high settings, even at the tiny res on 1280 x 720 with the PC 1800 card.
@Panda You make it sound like L4D got Crysis visuals :D. The source engine is not exactly new. As weak as the xbox could be I expect it to run a well ported source engine game with no problems. Clearly the port is crappy. On topic: Valve is just doing is business, let them be. Newel used to talk trash the PS3 but that doesnt happen anymore (it would be pretty stupid considering games like UC2 an KZ2).
@ Panda The X1800 is the R520, and it was more than capable of maxing the source games of it's time at resolutions higher than 720p, but that's not the same GPU the 360 is using. The 360 uses the R500 and as I mentioned before, it is a custom GPU from ATI that has a more advanced feature set than the X1800 or X1900 series. Even in 2004 when Half-Life 2 came out the game was not really that taxing, and the consoles today are vastly more powerful than a PC from 2004.
so I don't lose sleep over what dev is developing for what platform. Only losers throw such tantrums. Is that your final answer Double Toasted? Yes...yes it is.
I own a PS3, a Wii, and an extremely powerful PC. The Wii I can definitely live without... ...but my PS3...no freakin' way. I use my PC for some old-school fun, as well as Crysis, anything from Valve, and most of the indie titles that pop up on Steam every once in awhile...like iFluid, Braid, and And Yet It Moves. All great games. I wish Valve would develop for the PS3 though. I like playing on my console more. Also...trophies. :) The Steam friends system is still pretty impersonal.
I guess I'm the only one who don't really care for valve's latest games. I'm sorry I'm just not impressed with what I'm seeing here. Gabe is lazy as hell so he decides to bash a console he has never developed for just like the ps2 and ps3. Apologizes after being so wrong after all these years, creates a generic game with no story and dull repetitive gameplay that somehow gets great reviews by the critics solely based on the name of Valve instead of actual decent gameplay. L4D is playable but no offense it's just feels like a cheap mod.
Don't care if he's sorry. This doesn't change the fact that this is the same game that I will not pay any money for this time around.
What HDgamer said. DAYUM! +Bubbles too. I totally agree.
Valve are free to develop for whoever they feel like, just like Sony have devs that develop for PS3 and not 360.
They're PC developers. They develop for themselves. The 360 gets the third party L4D ports.
After reading most of the comments. A. there system is old. B. there games get boring quick. C. they don't do updates. blah blah blah complain comlain. Why do you want the games on the ps3 if you hate the devs so much. you don't get it, They know you don't want the games, so why should they bother.
Their engine is old. CS is still up there in my top ten FPS. Aside from that and TF, their games do get boring quick to me. They update enough on PC. Consoles get the shaft. Doesn't bother me at all if Valve does or does not support the PS3, as any shmuck with a PC from 2005 onwards can more than likely play their games if they really want to.
well... i dont agree with your last point (C) Its a shame to get patches for console games, isnt it? if it would be ONE up to 5MB .. ok.. but not 2 or 3 in 2-3 weeks 50-300 MB big, lol.
I'm with him on this one. Valve needs to step it up. They've proven themselves to be innovators in the industry...in both gameplay and software (Steam). I love Valve. They just need to grow up and tackle the PS3.