George Harrison has forecast that the life cycle of next generation consoles will be longer than the traditional five years, and he believes Nintendo could end up with a 50% hardware market share.
I do not consider Wii to compete the same markets than X360 / PS3. It's cheaper and smaller in every way, somewhere between nextgen consoles and handhelds. And the games.. so far I've seen donkey kongs, marios and other kiddy games - fun for the whole happy family only excluding parents. In other words very little of interest.
I agree. I'm playing Warhawk right now and the graphics and sound I'm experiencing here is just impossible on the Wii. Yes it's cheap. Yes (some) games will be fun, but overall, It's just not that good.
I'll get one in 4 years when its 89 cents. Just for $h!ts and giggles.
Yea I agree... I moved from an apartment to a house about a month ago... all my consoles are connected, except that one... it's still in the box
Every Nintendo artical that comes out you boys need to come out and shout how Wii is not next gen and it's kiddy. Usually I just laugh at you guys because you are very much in the minority on that brainwave. Sure kids like the Wii but actually more adults (probably even older than you kids) enjoy the Wii and want nothing but to play another round Tiger Woods for it or the pack in Wii Sports.
That's all I'm saying. You can spam as much hate as you want because you voice on the matter is really minute. I'm no dreamer though obviously it's still the first year and a lot can change. I'm pretty sure that the entire world isn't going to suddenly one day say 'hey this things a gimick!!' like you're all hoping will happen. What happened was people looked at the blue-ray and people looked at xbl and they all said 'hey this things a gimick!' now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
are you stupid?....the wii is just a trend like "tickle me elmo" or "Tomigachi" ....it wont last past 2007
i dont know why anyone would consider the Ds a gimmick thats beyond me but as for numbers umm how could the wii be second ?? it doesnt make sense isnt the 360 the lead console? when did wii get the Market
Share ? and dont come with that 360 had a year Bull$hit cause ps2 did that last time around ..but honestly i am not sayin wii isnt a good system just sayin there is no way in hell its gonna lead the next gen market especially since its Not Next gen.
I did just wake up ^^
but really I know I make fun of ayalists every time there is an artical about them spouting off some crazy idea, but in reality numbers don't really lie and I'm pretty sure every major territory it goes 1. Nintendo DS 2. Nintendo Wii.. then it gets different results after that..
Remeber everyone said DS was a gimick... 2 years later 40 million+ sold can't call it a gimick fad anymore. Will it happen with the Wii? We will have to WAIT and see.
Oh and as far as the price. Check back to the comment threads when Nintendo released its price of 250 for the Wii and see how many of you said that's way to much for it. Price point indeed.
edit: sorry honeal2g. the part about 1. DS and 2. Wii I was talking about monthly sales from when it came out. 360 still have the win on total market share as of now
The Wii will not hold people back from buying a 360 or PS3. A lot of people will get the Wii and one of the other. Which means, I doubt sony or MS really give a $hit about what Nintendo does with their Gamecube that has motion.
It's NOT next gen, Nintendo really needs to STFU. I think a lot of people will be disappointed within a year or two. When they thought they bought a next gen console and find out it's really not.
Gee Nintendo, i thought you said before that you were'nt competing with ps3 or 360?. And i agree with what peksi said, Wii isn't a real competitor. It's not even a fair competitor. Its considerably cheaper so of course its gonna sell more consoles. This generation should be defined by consoles that pushed for progress. Those that don't should get left behind in the last generation. So i think the wii should compete against the likes of ps2, xbox, gamecube, psp and ds
The wii is not next-gen so it shouldn't compete with next-gen consoles
marison, yeah ok the wii has made progress but its in a different league to ps3 and 360. HD is generally considered to be what is next-gen. A gamecube with a motion sensor is progress but not next-gen. It's too cheap and besides a motion controller has nothing else. It doesn't even have proper online gaming yet. It's a last-gen product with a fancy controller so it should compete with last-gen products for market share
After Wii, we will have "complete" motion sensing in all future consoles. This will be inevitable.
Maybe we will have good graphics too, but Wii really promote the progress of gaming in a way that will be good for us.
of the developers too. This will mean less support for the powerful platforms (PS3/Xbox 360).
I think that this way Wii and Nintendo will compete in a way that us hardcore gamers will not like.
Doesn't matter 50% of the games are crappy, 50% are for young people. PS2 support level will be for Wii and this mean that we will not receive the same number and quality of games we have had on the past.
As stupid as he looks, how can Nintendo rule the next gen cycle when its 1) Now gen and 2) What exactly is next gen about the Cube I mean Wii?
I had a Wii and yes it was fun, for the first couple of weeks then bought a PS3 instead I now have a 360 and PS3 best combination for SERIOUS gamers.
If you want a laugh and want to mess around or have kids then yeah I suppose get a Wii...Its a nice machine dont get me wrong but the games are complete cack and they look far worse than cube games.
Wii = Lazy dev games at the same price as 360 and PS3 games.
Oooh "Serious" gamers...omgosh your pimpled face and proficiency with a controller really scares me and my weak brain that thinks gears of war is overrated.
Shut the **** up. Gamers are gamers, be it bejeweled or bioshock
As much as I like Nintendo, I don't think it will push next gen as much as Sony and Microsoft will. By the term "Next Gen" we all think of incorperating the newest harware and software. And frankly said, all of the next gen that has been put in the Wii, is mostly in the controller.
It truly is a wonderfull piece of equipment and it is very fun. But to call that next gen is just an illusion. What PS3 and 360 are capable of is next gen, PS3 maybe more on the hardware and 360 more on the software (though, lately Sony is really beefing up the on the software. Think Firmwareupdates and PSN getting more bigger. And Microsoft in their turn coming with Elite. Gotta love competition, always is a benefit for the consumer)
The point is that Next Gen is new tech. And putting Wii (as fun as it is) next to the 360 and PS3, it is less "Next Gen". But let's not forget, Nintendo chose to do this. They wanted to reach out to the big mass and they did it. The only question that remains is can they keep the Wii for 10 years? 360 maybe, PS3 more plausible but Wii is more harder to imagine.
The leap from the SNES to the N64 was big and from the N64 to the GC was big too as it showed true 3D games to the Nintendo family consoles. But the leap from the GC to the Wii isn't that huge when putting the wiimote out of the picture.
Imagine in 3-5 years when HD games are the big mainstream, will the Wii be able to hold foot or will Nintendo have to bring a succesor to the Wii on the market.
It will be interesting to see that development.
But that's just too much to read.
I didn't think it was that much, I thought it was pretty ok. Just look at the other comments below, mine's quite readable.
Yeah, I didn't read those either.
Just the overall length was a bit of a deterrent for me.
That's what she said......
Nintendo won't rule next-gen, since Wii is not "next-gen". They may rule something, but they may not be called "next-gen". Seriously, what's so offensive about that, fanboys? Admit it, you may love it, but if you do, love it as it is, not as you want to think it is. Love it as a "new thing", not as a next-gen thing.
Wii won't rule if hardcore gamers refuse to buy tons of games as they do for their MAIN platforms (i.e. PS3, 360 and PC)
Does it matter if my grand mother or my mom likes to play the wii? Does it matter that most people that purchase a wii are only playing wii sports? To me... it does not matter how many people or who purchase the wii.. since the wii will not have the games I want to play. Will I ever play games Metal Gear 4, Too Human, etc? The answer is No. Since the wii is designed to attract non gamers and people have have no idea what they are doing... here grab this control... swing it!... you got it! now put it in your head... and dance... then everyone laugh... yehhh... wow.. the wii is fun. Sorry but as much as I love my mom playing video games... I would not trade games like gears, battle field, final fantasy, metal gear, bioshock, etc for wiisport or some game that my grand mom can handle. Good for Nintendo for figuring out how to reach the non gamer... but to me the wii is just another attempt to convince people to play games. You don't think is true? Notice how many games or good games the wii has... yet is selling like hot cakes... why? Media.
1- the Wii will be a lead development platform like the PS2 was?
2- the Wii will have more title like the PS2 had?
I think so...
But it's sad for me. I'm much more a hardcore gamer than casual, althought I like some good puzzles and fighting games to play with my wife.
"here grab this control... swing it!... you got it! now put it in your head... and dance... then everyone laugh... yehhh... wow.."
I agree with most of you...I can definately not see myself playing a gamecube with a motion sensing remote anytime after this year...and they are saying by 2011/12 they will sell 35 million? at that point the hardware will be 10-11 years old...
IMO what Nintendo isn't quite getting is that by targeting a much larger and more casual audience, they are hurting themselves with those type of people's buying habits...the people that buy a Wii (people that would never be on this site, and people that only buy the Wii) are usually like "OOooohhh that is so cute"...and buy it...they buy a game or two...and within a year forget about it...that casual audience can also very quickly drift away from this type of entertainment altogether...extremely quickly...Implementing why so many gamers, analysts, etc keep calling it a fad...The people that are interested in that thing are why its potentially a fad...They are the buyers that create fads in the first place...Nintendo's target audience is an audience that influences itself on what other poeple in that audience do/buy...After a handful of these people move on...the rest will follow in no time...then, magically, the fad is over...
I have 3 family members, all older than me that bought one...and all are completely tired of it...I have 7 friends that each bought one somewhere near launch...1 is waiting for metroid and galaxy...the other 6 totally lost interest in it...Don't get me wrong...those first couple weekends playing Wii Sports was fun with a group of friends...Then Tiger Woods, despite looking like Links 386 for my parents Gateway 2000 back in '93, was still fun on easy mode...but Red Steel sucked...Super Paper Mario was cool for the first 5 minutes...then totally ADD'd me, like playing the original when I was 4...and well, thats it for now...People complain about the ps3 not having games right now, but the Wii has next to nothing...with only 2 first party remakes coming soon (smash bros. brawl, and the next metroid) and who knows when Galaxy comes out...and the only hope for smash bros. and Metroid are some crazy well done motion sensing stuff...because its not going to look or sound or "feel" any better than it did when those games were out on the GC...
Its the "hardcore" gamers that push the industry year after year...I know it is still very early...but what this dude is saying is that, if the N64 had a motion sensing remote and they released it 2001'ish...that they would hold 50% of market right now...uh, to me that sounds a little Wiitarded...
The Wii is still new, and fresh to the older crowd who missed the hype at launch. But, the Wii is not really attacking the market as a future gaming console.
In my opinion, the market seems to be thinking of it more like this.
The Wii is more of a single interactive experience, kind of like buying a new swing set.
Once people get tired of the sensation, and realize the system isn't much use beyond that initial "interactive" gaming experience, the Wii will be more of a SKIP IT, or a POGO STICK than a gaming console.
People will turn to the big guns for that "next gen" gaming experience.
the problem for Nintendo is that while the Wii sells the games don't, no matter what you said the hardcore and average gamer are still part of that 150 million plus people who have gotten systems before.
Also if Nintendo becomes the dominate platform wtf happens to people who want gritty games? Nintendo being number 1 means that the gaming market is far, far less healthy.
Also last time i checked Halo and GTA4 sell millions upon millions of copies.
Technology is evolving to fast. In 5 years, CPUs and GPUs cheap enough for console use will completely blow away the consoles now. If Microsoft can convince the PC gaming industry to adopt some of the things that attract people to console gaming and add to that - $600 to $800 PC that will blow away anything the consoles dish out. There are always people/companies looking to dip their hands into the Money pot of Console gaming. If both Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo try to wait more than five years for a new console they will get stomp by somebody. Matter of fact that is why I believe Nintendo did what they did. Just take the Gamecube and fix the issues you had with it and add a new control scheme. This will keep the price of the console down and profits up and extend the life of the Gamecube (The Wii is still a Gamecube just better) Now in 3-5 years Nintendo will be able to get HD capable GPU as well as CPUs that will make the CPUs in both PS3 and xbox 360 look last gen. Nintendo will be able to do this at a lower cost than what Sony or Microsoft started on. Sure, you might be able to buy an xbox 360 or PS3 between $200 and $400 but why would you when there is a brand new system that sells in that price range and is a much more capable machine. I also believe virtual console game will become even more important to keep compatibility with past generation. I would be surprised to see 2-3 different/ new consoles out within a 10 year span.
Competition and Technology will see to that.
Nintendo is already making money on each Wii and the technology the worked into the Wii is a stepping stone for their next big push into gaming (which will be in 3-5 years).
Look at buying a Wii as an investment into the real Nintendo console in 3 to 5 years.
Here is what I would do to pretty much stuff out the big guys. In 3 years it should be possible to build a console that will put any of the consoles of today to shame. Most of the the current competition is set for a 5-6 year stretch. That would be 2010 to 2011. Build a console for 2009 and you could have up to a 2 year head start. It would easily achieve 1080p at 60 fps. Next-gen storage devices will have been worked out and less expensive by then. Would be easy to create a $300 to $400 dollar console that would trounce todays consoles.
The question isn't is it going to happen or when it is going to happen but Who is going to be brave enough to make the leap first. Will it be one of the Three or some new company or maybe the return of an old company (like Sega or Atari).
I guess we will have to wait 3 years to find out.
Good thing we have the Wii and Nintendo to take off some of the pressure of the PS3 and 360 fan boys fighting all the time. lol I guess thats what Nintendo is good for a laugh and for criticizing. I agree with all of you and I don't feel like repeating everything you guys said...Wii is cheap and will loose interest by late 2008...PS3 and 360 prices will drop and bigger and better games will be coming to the PS3(as we really haven't seen what's capable on the PS3 yet) and 360(been out for a year and we have seen what it can do, just need some good gameplay and storyline's). I will give Wii and Nintendo that they still have Mario, Zelda, StarFox, and Smash bothers but thats it and thats all they have. The End....
Currently the Wii is on track for around 12 million in sales by the end of 2007..maybe even more.
If it stays on track it could hit 24 million by the end of 2008.
Say what you want but the Wii will keep on selling and like the DS Lite we'll see a Wii update ever so often.
Can't wait to see how they do in next 2 years!
First I doubt they will get 50% of the market. The Wii is only selling well because of the Wii mote. The proof of this is PS2 is cheaper and has a far greater selection of games and while it has sold well has not come close to the Wii. So if price and game selection are not moving the system the only thing left is the Wii mote and thus why people feel its a fad.
"“We also have a belief that we can be, of this lifecycle, 40-45% of the hardware that's being sold...we could get over 50%. And a lot of that depends on what our competitors do. If they only focus on the Grand Theft Autos and the Halos and things of that nature, they're focusing on a very tiny part of the market. The overall market is growing so dramatically that they're going to miss out on the opportunities that we're seeing in the expanded audience.”
Harrison goes on to predict that Sony and Microsoft will attempt to take a leaf out of Nintendo’s book, but that it may not be possible as targeting new customers is not in their genetic make up."
You mean stuff like Guitar Heroes, SingStar, Home, Little Big Planet, etc? Sony by far has had the broadest diversity of games and hence why they have been the market leader for the past 2 generations of console. What does Nintendo offer thats so radically different? MS is also doing a much better job of diversifying its game portfolio while still appealing to the core that has gotten them where they are today.
I just think for a company thats been in last place the past 2 generations to now talk like this with software that is not very compelling is very over confident. Why not just be humble and say "We are please with the success we are enjoying and will continue to look at ways in which to make games more fun then our competitors."
I'm sorry the console is being moved by games..even if it's Wii Sports. And that game isn't free..we are paying for it. Otherwise we'd get the Wii for $210 approx.
Like all consoles we see cycles.
Atari was first then after the crash we had Nintendo...it then gave way to Sony and now the title is up for grabs..and is between the Wii and the 360 now.
Also the N64 wasn't in last place it was in second place to only the PS1.
The GC was still holding a slim lead over the Xbox in the last gen race as well.
The GC still sells around 4k units a week worldwide.
if they don`t start doing some revoultionary things w/ the wiimote this system will die down fast. if they do it could sell pretty well long term. because once the ps3/360 start to hit their peak and drop price, you wouldn`t really even consider getting one. and so far the sales have been purely driven from the wiimote not the software. right now their in a good spot but that change quickly over the course of a fall or xmas.
Good luck Nintendo, your gonna need it.
Only Wii users do not read review, do not have interest on graphical advanced games as us.
They will simply buy Wii, games that someone indicates as good and so on.
I tend to buy Wii games that interest me.
Nintendo fans are different.
Remember the smash my Wii video and then compare it to the smash my PS3 video.
PS3 fans gasped and the Wii fans just cheered it on.
Wii is cheap enough(200$ - japan, 250$ in usa).
Now, there are about 120 mln. true gamers worldwide(according psOne(110mln.) sales and ps2(115mln.) sales).
Nintendo with Wii will get NEW consumers, i mean those who usually don`t play games so it`s another 50-100mln.
So, if Wii will buy 50 mln. true gamers + 50 mln. new consumers, that will make 100 mln., and IF ps3 or x360 will be as successful as psOne/ps2, and also get 100 mln. true gamers, then it will be 100 mln. for wii and 100 mln. for ps3 or x360, so that will make 50%. =)
Well, anyway time will show.
And is here anyone, who won`t buy a Wii for 99$ in some 2010 ?
Ofcourse, wii graphics will suck a lot by that time, just like today wii doesn`t have impressive graphics.
But still, not everyone care about graphics. =) And many choice PSwii or Wii60 today. =)
And more then sure, on wii will be some really good games.
p.s. bubble for me if you agree. =))
Lol the wii is not a next gen console,its a rehashed gamecube with a new controller.Xbox 360 AND pS3 ARE NEXT GEN,ive played the wii and i cant for the life of understand why its selling out,it sucks big time,if it wasnt for its gimicky controllers it would have been dead in the water,and the games for it suck also,there doesn't seem to be any difference to playing the wii and playing my ps2 or gamecube,nintendo havent moved forward in gaming,someone's got to put this lame dog to sleep and soon,cause if nintendo have it their way we will be still playing SD games in 10 years time,i dont know about you guys but i want cutting edge games that border on realism and mind blowing visuals,games that look so real its like playing a part in a movie,nows that what i want,thats why ill never buy a wii.
That's why you don't understand why the wii is selling out. Have you ever considered that there are other people on this earth besides you? That not everyone thinks like you? That not everyone wants the things you want?
You will never buy a Wii? Oh God no! Somebody help us! The world is going to end!
That's the problem with these so called "hardcore", "serious" gamers. They are very self-centered.
Remember the Neo-Geo vs the other consoles? The Neo-Geo was vaslty superior but came at a price. It failed miserably. Remember the game boy and it's lame black and white graphics vs the other handhelds that had full color on supported .wav sound formats? Yeah, where are they now?
Remember when the DS came out and everybody was like "omg it is teh suxorzificness omg lame?" Man I remember how much hate was thrown towards the DS and look at it now...it's not showing any signs of dying anytime soon.
Look at the PSP. It's so much more "cool" and "serious" and "hardcore-gamerz", yet the kiddie, lame DS is raping it and sodomizing it with it's stylus. Have you ever asked yourselves why? You so called serious, cool, adult, hardcore gamers...
There's a pattern here. History keeps repeating itself.
People keep calling the Wii a fad. That's true. That is so very very true. The Wii is a fad...a borderline gimmick if you will. But think about it. Wasn't the GAMEBOY a fad? Wasn't it a thing that just about everyone owned? Maybe Nintendo's strategy is to market the Wii as a fad. Remember guys...if a fad is powerful enough, it can eventually become integrated into society...just like the Walkman was.
But also I'm starting to think Nintendo is becoming way to proud with their success. I mean, I'm glad and all...but pride always comes before the fall.
don't be talken smack about the best figther system ever made Neogeo...Its just taking some time for the Neogeo to unlock its true power! then it will rule us all........
Dood! I'm not dissing the Neo-Geo. Wtf are you crazy? I would NEVER EVER diss the Neo-Geo. KOF, SENGOKU 3, MSX, RB, LastBlade? Those games OWN all 3D games today!
I'm just pointing out that sometimes the best system can still loose to a weaker one.
hahaha thinking I was dissing the Neo-Geo. Who in their right mind would?
With their phenomenal product supply and outstanding third party developer support how could they lose?! ....cough....
Lol i think its time you took your chill pill..Moron
Really? That's the best you could come up with?
You pathetic little ass.I already used the word "Moron" on you. You cant use it again. If you are trying to insult me, at least do it right. You know I'm right in saying that you are self-centered, that's why you resorted to insults - you had nothing better to say.
When the innovation of the controller wears off, so will the console. I believe by the end of 2008 the console will begin to go into history.
It does go to a different demographic than the traditional gamer, but that is a good thing. I really like wii sports... but other than that it really doesnt appeal to me. However, the importance of the wii reaching demographics that normally wouldnt be interested in gaming isnt quite known yet. In the end, we gamers could owe the wii a lot more than we realize now.
So does it really appeal to me? No. Does that mean I cant respect it for its differences and recognize what it is doing for the gaming community? No.
A.k.a people who don't buy any games. Nice target market, nintendo. I'm sure developers will love you for that.
LMAO i see you haven't taken your chill yet..sad loser lol
But it's definitely a step above the "6th" era machines of the PS2/XBox/GameCube.
The Wii is more of a "6.5" era.
It has truly next-generation controls, but last generation graphics.
However, to a gamer, graphics are secondary to actual gameplay. There's a reason I have $400 of Virtual Console games on my Wii, and $500 worth of XBLA games on my 360. the games are not graphically astounding, but they're fun. Good solid fun.
For $250, the Wii has the most fun:cost value of any of the 3 "current" consoles.
For all the trashing on the graphics, the Wii owners take it in stride and say "And your point is?"
There's a reason the Wii is trouncing the PS3 and 360...
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