IGN decided to run a couple of PSX and PS2 titles through their paces, testing out the new PS/PS2 Upscaler and PS/PS2 Smoothing features under the Game Setttings menu. Screenshots after the jump.
Well honestly I couldn't see much difference other than some of the upscaled screenshots look a bit more "blurry", but the GoW2 screenshot using progressive scan and widescreen does look a little better although it looks lighter.....or maybe its just me, I'm interested to hear other impressions?
Upblurred? I agree, GOW 2 was the only game that looked better IMO.
http://boardsus.playstation... Check that out. Notice the HUGE difference? IGN screens are too small to tell wth is going on. They're also not using 1080p, on their forum they say it's 720p. Also, notice they don't show the exact same screen back to back? IGN did this bs intentionally to get hits.
The upscaled screens looked worse than the originals. Blurred.
as stated, IGN was only using 720p. I'm running 1080p on my Bravia XBR3 and the games look great. DMC 3, Odin Sphere, and God of War II were the only games I've checked out, but all looked great. Much better than they do on the PS2. Obviously upscaling isn't going to give you great graphics, but running 1080p there's a very noticeable difference. Instead of still using my PS2 as I had planned I'm now actually using the backwards compatibility in the PS3...
Its kind of strange because all the other screenshot comparisons are so dramatic. Only reason I can think of is because IGN didn't actually do 1080p comparisons with proper screenshots of similar quality to compare to.
they seem all blurry and not really better, and i've yet to find an option to upscale the games to 720p... one should never take 480i/p content and upscale it to 1080i/p it all ways looks like crap that way.
ewww... it just makes things not as crisp so you can't see the pixilated texures as well. you can't fool us sony! we are on to you!!!! >:-( to be honest, i like the un"scaled" version better... it has richer color and looks more detailed.
IGN have posted low res images. Look at my test: Killzone gunzoom 480p http://www.playstation-3.se... Killzone gunzoom 720p http://www.playstation-3.se... Killzone 480p http://www.playstation-3.se... Killzone 720p http://www.playstation-3.se...
those screen shots showed a huge difference. when i tried the upscaler myself it was very easy to tell that it made games look better
The upscale pix look way sharper. In SotC it made a HUUUUUUUUGE difference with the shimmering interlacing effect as well. I admit some of these screens have a haze or washed out look to them but in game it just makes it look more natural and less cartoony. Screenshots are NO way to do a proper comparison and if you're knocking the PS3 based on these screens slap yourself in the face with a burnt fish for me. Alot depends on the source as well. Of course PS1 games aren't going to look that good, and maybe even worse since the new rez might showcase the shortcomings of the graphics. You can polish a turn forever, its still a turd, but a fresher one might come up a bit shinier. Also maybe these test should be done with just upscaling on and not blurring (which can be turned off by the way). I cant believe people are complaining about blurring. Do you even know what AA is?
Oops, now look at the pictures again... first time you think: indeed PS3 upscaling looks better... THen you look again and see The PS3 image is squeezed vertically, so the right measurements are gone. Now zoom in on the ceiling. The detail has gone. Thus PS3 upscaling = getting the edges to smooth indeed, but at the same time blur the whole screen + squeezing the screen vertically... Doesn't look better at all!!!
The Mart, I actually set my HDtv on widescreen so ... please dont complain so mutch before you know whats going on.
Upscaling is not the same as re-rendering it in HD. PS1 and 2 games will become even more pixaleted when upscaled so they've used a smoothing filter. Screenshots will not show much difference. On HDTVs, it will.
Yup, exactly. Good comment btw. I also think people expect to much. Its not like you are going to get totally new game
Couldnt really see a difference there either. Havent played a ps2 game on the 3 sense the update so cant really say.
even takes ps1/ps2 games and still bleaches them out! The ps3 is a peice of crap no hate what so ever! The proof is in the pudding! Just look at the shots and what the ps3 fanboys are saying their selves!
if your basing your opinion of these screen shots, you are truly misinformed. any ps3 user will immediately be able to tell the difference with the upscaler turned on. raiden 3 looks SO MUCH better upscaled and smoothed. dont knock it before you try it
bleaches them out??? You obviously haven't tried this yet. and what do you mean still??? Are you going with the rest of "those guys" and saying the PS3 leaves a washed-out look??? Because I think that's what you're saying. You, sir, are an idiot. You deserve death. A painful. Suffering. Death. BTW..."the proof is in the pudding" <What are you smoking??? #1 - lamest phrase ever #2 - are you a housewife? #3 - that phrase was used incorrectly #4 - average size of the full-grown asian male...
No one deserves death... You know it will only come around and get back at you. You sir just have been JINXed. :-/
...so now PS3 can claim another feature - software upscaling. But in all honesty, who cares. I did not purchase an HD display to play last gen games. I will continue to use my PS2 and Xbox to play my favorite last gen games on my SD display. My HD display is reserved for HD gaming. Ok, for all you Sony fanboys that hit disagree...well, if upscaling was all that was needed why should we waste our time with Blu-Ray. Why not just put up with upscaled DVD on an HD display??? probably because upscaled anything never compares with native resolutions, especially on a 1080p compatible display. I did not spend thousands on a new HD display to play yesterdays games. Its a novelty to see how they look but not something I really care about. I dare say once the PS3 gets some great games you won't give a toss about upscaling either.
seriously though, anyone seeing IGN's comparison would laugh, I did... over the ridiculousness of their reporting. There's been tons of other screenshot comparisons around the web that show how much better the games look when smoothing options and the rgb full color range are turned on: http://i14.tinypic.com/6fs2... vs http://i7.tinypic.com/4r07n... http://img159.imageshack.us... vs http://img339.imageshack.us...
Nik is correct. The very defenition of the word tells what it does. They (UP SCALE) MAKE BIGGER the textures or sprites. Its not some act of God. They make them bigger and increase the resolution. Now, if you increase the resolution of something it becomes more pixelated or jaggie if you will. As the texture or sprite becomes stretched from being enlarged the colors start to separate on the sprites or on the texture itself. Then when you turn the filter or smoother on it fills in the gaps that are created from the separations which distorts it or makes it blurry as well as washing out the colors. At 1080p with a filter on the image will always be less detailed or blurry, as well as the colors being washed out. You can't just transform a low resolution sprite or texture into an HD one, if that were the case why release the PS3. Why not just release upscaling software on the PS2. Every emulator all the way down to the SNES has this option so they can run on high resolution PC monitors without looking pixelated. Its no big deal..............I see so many people checking disagree on the comments when people say it looks blurry...well it does. It's just like enlarging a photograph. The bigger you make it...the more it stretches....the more the colors separate...the less detailed or blurry it becomes in the end......It is really a simple concept.....you can even do it to pictures saved on your computer..the bigger you make them the less detailed they become......I have explained this so simply that anyone should be able to understand now. So if you check disagree i don't know about you people..
...lots of fanboys hitting disagree because they think upscaling is all you need. As I said (above) if upsacling is all that was needed why waste time with Blu-Ray...probably because true-HD s**ts all over upscaled anything.
my god, did you even check the screen comparos like what icechai and Sashy provided. Dude, it is like night and day...I NEVER would have thought such a difference could be seen. This is insane!
so, the image pairs don't match and they are too small. what are they trying to pull?
On my 40" 1080p screen there is a definite difference in the upscaled version. From what I can see when not using smooth edges the upscaled version looks better and now fits to my full screen (without horrible black borders) there is still a few jaggies around which then with smooth edges turned on it seems to fix that. Overall I'm pleased with the upscaling but I still need to test alot more games.
This reminds me of the old composite cable vs S-Video debate. S-Video was better but just barely..maybe a 10-15% improvement over composite res. GOW2 should look better. It's using recent tech., and it's also progressive scan. RE2 looks a bit better. The rest could be done in photoshop. Maybe a blur filter and a anti-aliasing filter. Some games look blurry (Capcom game) and comes off looking worse then the orig. res. Others see barely any improvement.
I aint seen much difference in PS1 games but on FF12 and Pro Evo 6 I defo noticed smoother visuals and when the camera was zoomed out the speckles were almost gone from the screen. I dont think that IGN article used the best of games to demonstrate the upgrade (e.g Capcom fighting game), and yeh the screens werent big enough to get a gud idea of the difference. Reminds me of the expansion pack for the N64, that did a similar thing to the games.
I think newer games released within the last two yrs will benefit the most from this firmware update.
its funny how so many people are blind, every game so far ive tried doesn't look that much better, im still looking for a 720p option instead of 1080p....and some games ive tried look down right crappy, and every game with text the text is all blurry. p.s: its a fact taking 480i/p media and upscaling it to 1080i/p allways looks worse then if you upscale it to 720p.
you dont even own a ps3 you moron, how can you look ? lol, thats rediculous. you are a ms whore.
the originals are WAY better. Its all stretched and the colors messed up. Only blind fanboys would think they look better.
I can certainly see a difference on my TV.