Gamasutra looks at the effect of game console price cuts on September's NPD U.S. console numbers, noting that despite its sales boost, the PS3 "has a steep hill to climb" to beat Xbox 360 sales for the year.
Rest of the world it's the other way around.
ppl only think of america..... like movies.... the world box office is the one that counts
rest of the world, the PS3 already outsold the 360 in 2009
People keep making this stupid comparisons but forget the fact that PS3 is outselling the 360 in Europe and it is humiliating the 360 in Japan.. Even if PS3 sells on par with the 360 in America, eventually the PS3 wins on monthly basis throughout the world. Even if we calculate and lets say 360 outsells the PS3 in US by some 50-75K margin after this price drop surge ends, but that thing is alone covered in Japan where every week, 30K PS3 sell as opposed to 3K 360s... Thus one who wins Europe on a monthly basis actually wins the world wide sales if you look at it that way.. And thus far, PS3 has been beating the 360 in Europe with selling same number of consoles in nearly 1 1/2 years lesser than 360. The end fact remains that PS3 gives a tough fight in US.. I however can't say the same for the 360 in Japan. Look at the bigger picture.
where did they get 2.4 million for 2009 for the 360...when did they sell that many...
They shipped 2.4 million... which are just collecting dust in retail stores. Just go to your electronic store, gamestop, or whatever... you'll see.
It is the last leg that MS has to stand on when it comes to sales of the 360.
No, because US is the single largest country and has about 50% of the worldwide console market. That means if you dominate everywhere else, but the US you are still leaving half of the potential customers in the world! We are not the world, just the largest!!! It's NOT our fault that others have complexity issues.
I really don't care about hardware sales as I believe both consoles have been great successes this generation, but I really would like to see Uncharted 2 do well in both October and November's NPD report. Man, that game deserves to do well, to have that mainstream breakout success.
Trying to mitigate U.S sales & using the "rest of the world" to try to prove a point is like trying to argue that Tiger Woods is NOT really the best golfer in the world because the rest of the field COMBINED has more wins than Tiger does. The U.S. is the biggest stage in the world, and is the biggest prize to win. Besides, you should care most about sales in the country that you live in. U.S. sales should matter most to Americans. European sales should matter most to Europeans. Unless, of course, some of you guys jet-set around the world to your homes all over the globe.
Its not only the US(largest single market), UK(largest Euro market) and Australia a few other small markets like South Africa. PS3 is going to ride a short-lived sales boost in these areas and by Christmas and after the holidays 360 will be ahead in these areas again. PS3 will keep winning in places like Japan of course and places like France, Germany and Spain. Saying 360 doesn't do well outside of the US is BS, its just that collectively ps3 wins more of the smaller Euro markets, which is offset largely by UK, then when you add the dominance of Japan the the ps3 tends to do only marginally better than 360 outside the US overall, but once again the 360 makes up alot of ground because of its US #'s which when its all said and done means they roughly sell about the same worldwide except during the holidays(360 has usually done better) and during certain game releases and price cuts. Some say ps3 beats the 360 in sales every year, yet prior to August the install base gap at the time when the ps3 launched had increased in 360's favor. JOY
http://www.gamedaily.com/ar... "The issue of Europe comes through a difference in defining what Europe represents. Microsoft defines Europe as just Europe, whereas Sony defines Europe as the whole of Europe, Africa, Middle East and Russia. Microsoft counts 22 countries total for Europe and we count sold through units only, where we count the number of units sold through to consumers. Sony includes PAL countries within their definition of Europe and sold in units, where they count the number of units sold to retailers," a spokesperson said.
Why is there so much hate on both sides. According to latest figures from the companies themselves: MS has shipped 33.5 360's, becoming the 9th best selling console of all time. Very respectable, no need to hate! Sony has shipped 24.6 million consoles worldwide (although this number doesn't include the last quarter and slim sales yet.) The ps3 also has very respectable sales too, no need to hate! Fanboys :(
gamers around the world know which piece of hardware offers more and this is what one side can't deal with. What's funny is that the much ballyhooed (hard to develop for & gameless) PS3 is in this conversation at this stage in the game -- after a year delay & $600 USD pricetag! lol without loyal help from the content U.S. market, the 360 would be another Saturn story by now. Now talk to me about life-cycles again.....?
You would want the most worldwide sales. It's that simple. No spinning needed.
Calling others fanboys? Then stop inflating 360 numbers and underestimating PS3 numbers. Hypocrite
What exactly don't I understand? Care to point it out? Inflated xbox numbers? I take it you've done your own research and concluded you didn't fancy seeing MS's updated shipment numbers then? My numbers came from the companies themselves and they are both decent numbers. Hypocryte? Haha how ironic!
PS3 is already outselling the 360 outside of the U.S.
Analyst say: PS3 has 'steep hill' to beat U.S. Xbox 360 sales in 2009, because I live in America ---> -_- Rest of the world say: HELLO, dummy XD The real analysis is, even in the house of xbox, PS3 is outselling it, so we have to see M$ next move to fight the Fast Growth of the PS3
that's the worst comparison EVER! No one, and I mean NO ONE is arguing Tiger Wood as the best in the world right now because he doesn't only wins in the US, but in many tournaments around the world! in this case, 360 is ONLY giving the fight in the US, while loosing everywhere else! talking about a dummy trying to defy logic!
Tiger has lost matches though... people are getting all crazy about the new hardware numbers the PS3 is posting and I get it... it's all that pent up anger over the past 12 months prior where the 360 was dominating it WW.
I dont care if the ps3 sells more or less than the xbox in hardware. Its all about the games for ME and the ps3 in 2009 beat the xbox in terms of quality titles and exclusives. My xbox is not gathering dust by the way. But 2009 in my opinion has not been the best in terms of games(it was not bad in any way, there were some great games!) compare to the ps3. So ps3 for me won 2009. But 2010 will be a tough battle, both consoles got monster exclusive to be released. My wallet will suffer.
Yes, if, like me, you play your multi plats on your PS3(for me it's a controller preference really)it's not been a brilliant year for 360 games. Basically I've not bought a 360 exclusive(outside of XBLA games)all year(didn't want Halowars and only rented ODST as I'd already got the maps and didn't feel there was value in getting a full price game for a couple of maps and Firefight as I'm no great fan of Horde in Gears2 anyway)so 2009 has been a bsy time for my PS3 while my 360 has been largely used to play games I missed in better years or just never finished before(LO, IU and ME-to get my character for ME2!). Next year, however, looks a much fairer fight with some great looking games coming for both HD consoles-and the much trumpeted arrival of Natal and Sony's wands which could all push sales of consoles worldwide. Whether Sony can ever eclipse the 360 in it's own backyard isn't the point and remains unlikely at present. However, the very fact that it's now competing is a major boost for Sony in worldwide terms as in other territories the 360 isn't anything like as robust as it's been at home. Truth be told if it wasn't for the 360 selling so well in the UK(EU's biggest single market BTW)MS's console would be getting beaten just about as badly as the PS3 has been in the states(if we take figures since PS3 launch especially). Also, we never know what, if any, effect all the returned, refurbed 360s have on these nymbers. Are there as many 360s actually working as figures for sales would suggest? Do refurbs, replacements count as new sales? It's a muddy picture at best and wildly inaccurate at worst and taking the US as a worldwide sales barometer makes things even harder to see with any hope of a concrete answer. It' MS backyard where the 360 has been king for an age and is zero reflaction of the real picture even without the afore mentioned variables we can't see never mind control! I don't see what we can really tell from any of this and as there's so much coming in 2010 I really wouldn't like to be an analyst! Suffice to day I think it's going to remain pretty tight with successes and failures on either side but, most importantly, lots of great gaemes whichever console(s) you happen to own. The competition can only be a good thing for us all too so maybe we'd be best not arguing over console sales and just watch the games roll in as they get better and better. It's going to e tight, imo, and it'll stay that way too and I just don't see what the point of articles like this one really is.
You want PS3 to beat xbox in sell.. there will be more 3rd party exclusives for PS3. Yes, 1st party exclusive is great and all. But you should want more developers to jump on board. You don't want Sony to be like Nintendo. Where you keep playing Mario and Zelda for the next 20 years...
As long as there are plenty of people to play multiplayer with on the PS3, (Which there are), then who cares if more 360's are sold? I mean really? I prefer my ps3 over my 360 because: A. it's quieter, B. Less children with mics online, C. BluRay, D. Built in WiFi, E. Blue Tooth headsets, F. Better, In my opinion, exclusive titles, G. blah I could go on forever. My point is, total console sales never factored in to my decision to own or to prefer my PS3 over my 360.
Its not about sales in NA its about sales worldwide. 360 has a steep hill to climb in Japan.
More like a mountain.
More like tan(90)
but if being in 3rd place means i get games like Uncharted 2, Demon's souls, Ratchet and Clank Future:Acit, MGS4, resistance 1 and 2, LBP, Killzone 2, Infamous, God Of War 3, GT5 etc, then they can keep 3rd place for the next 10 years... the PS3 is it. they just keep pumping out the games and thats all i care about... Back to uncharted 2.
the 360 still killing the ps3 in sales. I can hardly wait for the sales numbers to come out in the end of 2009 just so i can laugh when the 360 still beats the ps3crap again.. So how many months in a row has the xbox won..
IT DOESN'T MATTER about SALES. Know your role and shut your mouth.
Can you really say the word crap and PS3 and not once think about what you own and how it has failed over 4 years? Does $2 billion even register to you're simple mind? Does 54%, 30% even mean anything to you? Just wondering, I know sometimes kids/people can be delusional.
killing? 500k vs 350k? the only way I can see MS pull in front this year is with a $49.99 xbox 360
is the 360 beating out the ps3 in worldwide numbers total consoles sold? if the 360 is beating out the ps3 worldwide, is it due to the 360 relative success in the US. if that is the case then the US would be the final battleground between the 2 consoles sales wise thus making the US market the one to watch for those concerned with the console war. am i wrong to conclude that without dominance in the US market the PS3 cannot hope to move out of 3rd place? I am genuinely interested and if someone could answer my questions with actual facts that would be greatly appreciated. Some verifiable numbers would be great. @darkride666 - I understand the circumstances and the nuances regarding this issue. My question is this, is the 2 - 3 million gap coming from US sales or is there still a gap in other parts of the world. All I am seeing here is the idea that its only in the US that the 360 leads the PS3, my question is where are the numbers to back that up, and if it is true then for those concerned about the PS3 being in last place looking at US sales figures would be important since that is where the PS3 needs to make up the most ground. Can anyone else confirm that the current 360 lead over the PS3 worldwide is around 2-3 million?
Since the PS3 has been available worldwide it's outsold the 360 ever since. Now, it's not like those extra 360's out in the wild simply don't exist, but certainly when looking at sales trends, developers will be taking note of this fact. When they're deciding which game to make, is it more important how many consoles are on the market now or how many consoles are on the market a year from now when the game's done? If both Sony and Microsoft hit their ship targets for this fiscal year, that means the gap between the PS3 and 360 will have narrowed to 4-5 million consoles - and at this point there's no reason to think they won't hit their targets. Factor in the 360's high failure rate, the real amount of Xbox 360's out in the world is probably closer to 2-3 million more than the PS3. We're certainly seeing evidence of this in developers revenue which for many companies is neck and neck between the 360 and PS3 currently. The 360 currently is leading in the US, but that's also a problem right there. The original Xbox itself struggle outside of the US and we all know how that turned out. According to Microsoft, 60% of 360's sold worldwide have been sold in the US. What happens when the US market hits it's saturation point with 360's? We've already seen between 2006 and 2007, there was 0% sales growth in the US up until the price cut and Halo's launch- certainly indicating that the market has been bumping up against the ceiling. Again, between 2007 and 2008 sales in the US flatlined again until another price cut. Microsoft can't keep price cutting forever - and now that sales have stalled again, where is their future growth supposed to come from considering no one else worldwide seems that interested relative to the PS3 and Wii. By comparison, there seems to be a healthy appetite for the PS3 in America as well as worldwide. When the 360 cut it's price last year it sold just over 300,000 consoles for September. When the PS3 cut it's price it sold almost half a million in September in the US. This console war won't be won in the US alone, but the US is certainly an important market but the data seems to indicate that things can only go up for the PS3 where the 360 seems to be stagnant. Simply looking at the amount of sales Sony and Microsoft are reporting doesn't tell even close to the whole story.
lol i thought you was writing another one of your now famous nonsense blogs. just reading your drivel is enough to inspire an instant siesta! after reading your pathetic blogs...oh excuse me articles(lol), i thought you was an authority on world-wide sales, and profit and loss for both microsoft and sony. btw, it's good to see your bubbles are disappearing!! at the end of the day, who cares whats getting sold and by whom?? i have a pswii60(although i never touch my wii), i love both my HD consoles, both have great games and both provide good on-line! trust me kids, it's great to be a gamer and not a fanboy
You misunderstood. I didn't say the 360/PS3 gap was 2-3 million. It's currently around 6 million (from close to 8 million when the PS3 launched). Sony's forecast 13 million consoles for this fiscal year so when they're done this year they should be at about 34, 35 million. If Microsoft manages what they did last year (although sales have been down the last 3 quarters) they should hit 40 million before it's all done. So, by the end of Sony's fiscal year in March the 360's lead should be cut to about 4-5 million or so. That's where the hardware failure rate becomes important. Obviously, there aren't 40 million 360's in the wild. Some of those are 3rd party warranty replacements, some are people buying replacement 360's new, some 360's simply stopped working and were never replaced. If we estimate 20% of 360's have failed, and we figure that even a third of those weren't replaced by Microsoft - then the 40 million number should come down by, conservatively, 1-2 million. So you can see that gap is closing fast. And we're already seeing evidence of that in revenue from game developers being very similar between the two consoles, in neck and neck multiconsole titles sales, etc. @ King Dong above: You know, I see a lot of beaking from you, but not a lot of providing a convincing counter argument to my point. You say my post in nonsense, and dog my posts constantly claiming as such but I've never seen you refute anything I've said. You should take your own advice regarding being a gamer and not a fanboy. My XBL Gamertag's: DarkrideHex66. Say hi sometime.
perhaps i mite send you a friend request. but the problem is i only buy the exclusives on my ps3, and i buy everything else for my 360. so the chances are we wont play much if we are on eithers friend list. but saying that your an old timer like me (over 30) and i'm always interested in adding old cronies like me and my pals to my friends list.
"Remember, the only reason the 360 has a lead at all was due to the extra year on the market." And the only reason the ps3 is gaining ground is due to 3 generation of great gaming. Seriously...such statements can go back and forth all day long.... At the end of the day, as long as both consoles are supported and can release news systems in the distant future...then we should could care less about who is in what place.
No argument here. Personally, I could care less which console finishes in what place. The Gamecube didn't fair too well last gen, but it didn't mean I had any less of a blast playing on mine. However, I personally find the business side of the gaming industry interesting as well. The ultimate outcome of the consoles wars isn't nearly as interesting to me as the ride to the ultimate conclusion this gen. Rowsdower asked and I saw the opportunity to impart some of the information I've gathered over the years. It's much more than simply "who sold the most consoles". And certainly the PS3's appeal and success is more than just due to the PSone and PS2's success.
over 30, well just 30. PSN - Rowsdower1979 XBL - XPC HARDonE
If both the 360 and PS3 stay on the market for 10 years each, the PS3 will ultimately have more units sold. Why? Because it is selling at a faster rate than the 360.
Let's look at the bigger picture here. Out of all the Xbox's sells. How many of those consoles are still working? Yeah, thought so. Quality over quantity any day of the week no matter what it is. Again, the PS3 has a far better line up now and in the coming months. It's not a matter of if, but when the PS3 passes this Xbox in sells. Besides, the PS3 is going after the Wii's market and sells figures. The Xbox is just a nothing in the way as it's seen as a piece of electronic failure.
the ps3 already outsold the 3fixme in europe and asia. that's the bigger picture. the 1 year lead is now down to 5 million, which should vanish once FF13 hits japan and gt5 hits europe. as long as the ps3 sells on par with 3fixme here, everything is fine by me. think back 2 years ago when everyone is saying that the ps3 is the dreamcast/gamecube of this gen. teh ps3 is teh doomed.
I know the gaming world all to well. If the Xbox was made by anyone other than MS. It would have been the Dreamcast. No one would have saved a product with a 1.7 billion repair bill 2 years into it's release.
There is only so much Halo 3 and Gears 2 a person can take, thats all the 360 has. Edit: Oh yeah.. and the GTA content.. same boring crap..
not sale Forza, ME, Fable, any 3rd party games, etc...or do you have the goggles on?
Maybe, but the thing is: The US ain't the end-all/be-all.
well, the price cut helped sony a lot! But we cant disagree with the fact, that the xbox brand is doing a great job this gen! I also think that the Playstation brand could outsell the 360 this gen if sales stay that strong for sony. Sony sells STILL 50% more units worldwide per week compared to MS. If sales stay that strong for Sony, the PS3 could take over the 360 by the end of next year. But also the fanboys have to agree with the fact that there has never been a competition in any console gen. like THIS. HUGE price reductions from year to year... different console versions from both sites and and and.... Overall in my opinion MS did ALREADY a great job for the 4 years of this gen.. and we also have to agree that with such a huge failure rate the 360 has, people still buy it and will! And i remember ppl saying that sony should destroy MS in its 1st year. MS IS in the race this gen.. but Sony has still a lot of cards to play with!
yeah, this generation sure has been interesting. This is perhaps the most competitive rivalry we've seen since the Nintendo vs. Sega era.
Oh no must have been a mouse oh well back to climbing that Uncharted mountain and Ratchet and clank Demo.
* in the United States...maybe*
While it is true, SONY is putting up a fight in the US, and the same cannot be said for MS around the world, they have been shown by surveys polls etc as a "non reliable" brand, Im sure lawsuits in EU dont help etc Point is Xbox leads in NA because of a 1 yr head start not because it beat the PS3 in sales yr in yr, they should have a bigger lead then they currently have given they had a yr with no competition from SONY or Nin
There were no guarantees for the 360 to be successful when it launched. The OG Xbox didn't do all that great, and the xbox brand barely had any presence at that point. There is no reason to think that the 360 should have dominated just because it came out a year earlier. Sony's brand of gaming is more well-known worldwide, and no matter the year head start the 360 had, a reasonably priced PS3 would more than likely have ended any momentum that the 360's early lead might have mustered. The past decade or so has been dominated by Sony gaming platforms. Its what most people have associated with gaming. If anything, 360 leads in the US because Sony wanted to center their console behind and expensive, new format, and relesed it for 600 dollars. Sure, Sony has dropped prices and things have gotten better, but for better or worse, this is why things are the way they are.
at the end of the day the ps3 doesnt have to beat the 360. teh ps2 defeated teh gamecube and nintendo is still standing. what the ps3 has to do at the very least is dispell the ps3 is doomed articles. narrow the gap. shut micrsoft up and make them realize that this isn't the operating system business and they are not going to kill anything. give fanboys less to argue about.
The US is the Xbox brand's strongest market, but that has always been the case. Its a different story when taken from a global perspective. There are reports that suggest that the PS3 has, or is about to, overtake the 360 in Europe(Japan is all but lost for Microsoft).
Actually nearly 60% of the 360's sales come from the US, while 40% of the PS3's sales come for the US.
You're spot on.
this years sales ps3 will easily beat 360 worldwide,they just out sold the 360 total years sales in just over one month in japan thats before ffx111 comes out in december.thers a few people wanting that for xmas. ms brought the 360 250gb to boost sales with 360 owners hopefully upgrading.but the lack of software coming in the next few months is there main concern,gt5,mag,heavy rain,god of war thats not just four exclusives thats four styles of game to suit every one.two are already aaa proven titles.ms has very little to go up against them.
They can still win over the US market relatively soon (within a year and a half), so long as Microsoft keeps doing what they're doing...which is pretty much nothing. Worldwide, PS3 should take over the 360's installed base by Summer 2010.
360 > ps3. (The numbers dont lie)
I think Nintendo has magikal powers if it can pull off those numbers. That's with lesser hardware, lesser graphics, very crappy games, and the rare gems that are oh so unfrequent. Microsoft and Sony both have to step up if they want to EVER get close to Nintendo's numbers. but since this is a discussion on Xbox and PS3, I would have to say that the PS3 is looking far far better than the 360. PS3 has more bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at. Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, all that good stuff. WAIT. Before you accuse me of being a fanboy, know that I DO NOT OWN A PS3. I have an Xbox and PC but the way the industry is going, Sony will overtake Microsoft in pretty much..... everything. With the soon to be Chat features in PSN, theres nothing that the Xbox has that PS3 doesn't or won't have. 2010 looks to be an amazing year for both consoles. Now I just need to save up for a PS3 before all the goodies come out.
well lets hope the U.S. get a move on and catch up with the rest of the world, we should see multi-plat standards shoot up after
PS3's already beating Crapbox in sales Worldwide not just US, long may it continue. Crapbox is long past it's peak, now it's on a slippery slope downhill.
@Knight.. September NPD says otherwise. From now on, the 360 will not be killing anything. Mark my words. When October NPD is released you'll be crying in your basement when you see PS3 on top again.
The PS3 has no hope of overtaking the 360 in the US but recently games have been getting better multiplat attach rates there,which would never have happened a year ago. The thing for me is that the PS3 is a lot better.I've had both from launch and as a piece of tech and UI the PS3 is superior by a margin for me.The 360 did well by creating a community(especially for the press early on when they all got free 360s and Live accounts)with Live but The features spoken about on forums are no where near as important as suggested and my friends and I have all cancelled our Live accounts.Why?PSN is better than many will have you believe and actually has some key advantages like player counts in games. The bottom line is people are drawn to their friends and/or what they own and will justify that choice but given genuine choice I prefer PS3.
Worldwide the PS3 is outselling the 360 by 130,000 25,000 of those are in the US.