Kotaku: Houstonian Ofelio Antonio Otero, 40, allegedly shot and killed his 17-year-old son yesterday morning after arguing with him about a missing video game.
in the blue fkin hell is that???? shot in the neck?? geeez that's horrible damnnnn
(Nathan Drake) "Here we go" Now watch how many ppl misconstrue this article, cuz it seems like the author already did
thats really pathetic..nuff said
while he was running away over a video game guys needs to b fastracked ta hell. god bless the death penalty.
another one of these rare cases involving video games??? Yea yea heard it before videogames encourage violence blah blah. oh yeah I'm sorry for that kid. Not a good way to go out.
I must sadly say I agree. Why waste society's resource on this guy, death penalty!
This guy doesn't deserve to have society pay for free meals and rent in a warm cell for the remainder of his life. Freaking coward.
Again, video games did not cause this man to be violent, but violent people are attracted to violent video games. It's a damn shame that a boy died over something as trivial as a game.
Here's the facts: 1. The article never states what the video game was so it could've been violent but it might not have been. 2. The guy has a criminal history with a DWI conviction already. 3. This wasn't a normal argument. It was 4:15am and this guy was clearly wasted off his ass and with a loaded gun nonetheless. 4. This is just plain sad and this guy deserves worse then the death penalty. He killed his 17 yr old son by shooting him in the neck. I get chills just thinking about it.
4am arguments, ahhh brings back memories of my parents, Thank god I'm away from that place.
Ape007. Yes it is. I live in Pasadena, TX. Right next to where this happened. It's a ruff area. Many homicides occur in that area. Off topic. In WW II a U.S. Paratrooper with the 101st had his throat slit during the the Battle of the Bulge, he actually survived the encounter. He was actually apart of Easy company. Also, I believe that this man should be lined up and shot. Saves money. Has the same end result. People like him have NO place in our society
Honest to god, I DONT want them to execute this man! I want him to live with the prospect that HE killed HIS OWN SON!
Yes, drdistracto. He was probably off his face at the time and though that is certainly NO kind of excuse for such callous, vile and violent behaviour it does mean that he will probably really regret his actions now he's sober. I think, if I was the guy who did this, that killing me would now be the easy way out rather than having to live in jail with what I've done. Also he's going to get a hard time from other inmates because he killed his kid-life in jail is a far better penalty to one that's over in a second and ends his suffering. Don't understand all the love for the death penalty anyway. It doesn't work as a deterrant and it doesn't help us prevent further, similar crimes. Lock the gjuy up and study him and his life so we can understand him and hope to see the signs in others before this kind of thing happens. Hanging him(or the chair or injection)is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwayer to me as if we don't learn anything from this then no good can ever come of a bad situation. The death penalty also makes us as guilty as any killer-taking life is wrong, no? If we support a society that kills what message does that REALLY send out apart from us approving of violence to sort out our problems? It's a bad example to set at the very best ,doesn't put killers off at all(very little does as most murders esp within a family are crimes of passion where there's no preplanning involve and occur on the spur of the moment-we need to identify the things that make people more likely to act like this and not just kill them when they do as within them are the clues we need)and there's always the fact that we don't, not anywhere, have a perfectly accurate legal system where the right guy is always convisted. You can't move the goalposts on which murderer gets the death penalty(as that's ridiculous and in some cases would show we felt a convistion was weaker or stronger than another)and every time we get ONE case wrong is one too many and makes us morally even worse than most killers as we're doing it in the coldest blood imaginable knowing for a fact that few convictions are ever 100% accurate(so giving a life means life sentence also allows for new evidence and releasing of innocent men). So , no, he shouldn't be killed and certainly not if we ever want to stop things like this happening again in future. Does anyone seriously think a drunken man with temper issues would really consider ANY penalty before doing something in the heat of argument(think about how angry your own family can make you as a normal person and it becomes clear we need to carefully monitor just who's capable of things like this and we only get the signs from those who've done the crimes, sadly)? They don't see anything but the red mist at that point so any deterrent is redundant for these folk. If we can see the people at risk of this behaviour and remove them from family situations then we stop the killings-it's the only way. And don't give me the old "eye for an eye" crap as the bible also preaches forgiveness(which ISN'T what I suggest either, mind, I just think we need to understand for the hope of avoiding future idiocy)and says that there's more joy in heaven over a sinner who repents than anything! You could support any positionfromscripture if you wshed-and in most religions too. We HAVE to act in a manner above the law of the jungle if we wish to be truly civilised and the key to that is knowledge of what sauses these things and how we can stop it happening ever again. Killing off those who must contain that key(and giving them the easy way out rather than allowing them the pain of living with the consequences of what they've done to boot)is a plain mistake if we look at this logically and is morally indefensible, imo, as a poor example of the "might is right" principle as well as running the risk of turning the state into murderers themselves which can't be the right thing, can it? I'm no vleeding heart liberal either but just don't see any benefit whatsoever in a death penalty from any perspective at all. That kind of cold blooded vengeance totlly negates any position of learning and of saving the future from similar crimes. I realise the crime here is disgusting and it's batural to want some kind of payback in kind-but that's just the kind of feeling that prolly leads to these crimes in the first place! Violence just breeds violence. There's a LOT to be said for letting far fewer people have guns, though, as if you take the gun away from this situation you almost certinly avoid a needless death and the wrecking of a family. Duns don't work as protection from criminals and never will so why on earth would people run the risk of having even locked ones in the home? Farmers wioth vermin? Yes. Normal households? No. Households where some people have anger problems? Hell no!Households where parents are too dim to lock their guns awat and even leave them loaded? Are you kidding me! No, far, far stricter gun control and penalties for illicit guns and carrying them in forvidden circumstances and maybe a free amnesty on people returning guns once the law chanes for a set time frame but , FF, stop so many tools from habing guns lying about the dan home-and that's not just the US but everywhere AND esp those places where gun ownership is rife and/or legal for too many people. Tighten it up or else this stuff will keep on happening whatever penalty we give the killers.
Very eloquent mastiffchild Im not really pro death sentence either truth v told. But this kinda stuff the senseless death of a mans son at his own hands. Well lets just say Im not altogether sad that they still have the death sentence in some states.
Two words "Holy [email protected]!" not because of what the father did but because some of you are screaming "Death Penalty!" as if It's a good thing, Oh we can't pay for his meals etc etc etc, Society is really [email protected] up. I Think the father is crazy and Wacko, but Killing him makes it feel better?, oh It's Justifiable? Who ever thinks that is no better then the father because killing someone comes so easy.
you throw it away. Especially when it can't be fixed. Sometimes it's just easier to pull the plug on or put a plug in some worthless piece of trash that is wasting everyone elses oxygen. Yes that is a brutal view, but this guy killed his own son with a handgun...doesn't matter if it was a video game that they were arguing about and it doesn't matter that he was probably drunk. He would have done it to someone else eventually anyway over who knows what. Studies on violent criminals have been done for years and all of those studies didn't help prevent this bastard from doing what he did. I say the death penalty would be just the thing to get this guy en route to hell next day air. Yay Texas :)
take the booze out of the situation and this never happened.
Sometimes it makes me wonder if people set these incidents up on purpose to give games a bad rep. I mean who is their right mind kills someone over a game. I can understand getting pissed, because someone broke or lost the disc. That's $60 gone down the drain, but how do you think about killing someone over it especially a friend or family member. Just make them buy you another one or take them to court if it's that deep. Once again this is proof for my research paper that society is losing it's humanity.
people with video games don't kill people, people with guns kill people. A drunk father + a loaded gun = dead son, right on America, your constitutional right to bear arms triumphs once again. @ Vlou really, seriously, your blaming the booze, what about the gun.
Drunks usually tend to freak out over anything and this time it just happened to be a video game.
But they have to have someone to blame... not the drunk eff-bag that pulled a gun on his own son.
Only happens in America, right? Edit: WTF, who in their right mind would do this to their own child? Chop off his balls and both thumbs, there'll be no more gaming for him without his thumbs.
I cant tell if that was a joke or not, but the U.S. is not even listed in the top 10 places of the world with the highest murder rate. In fact, I believe it's the 24th highest. So no, it doesn't only happen in America.
Your use of stats is misleading... Look at gun crime and the US will be at the top of the list. And if "ridiculous crimes" were accounted for, you can bet the US would be at the top of the list too with the gun laws the way they are.
Gun crime refers to more than just murder. Gun crimes refer to having a gun and using it in an incorrect way. I'm talking about the MURDER rate, which is what this would be filed under; a murder. Since when was the word "crime" solely related to "homicide" and "murder rate"?
And this is why drinking is not a good thing. Poor Kid man.
I drink, doesn't make me want to shot anyone. No gun, no shooting.
yeah i drink, and i havent had the urge to shoot anyone so far.
Yes, well you two are different obviously. I know that when I did drink I never had an urge to even touch one of my guns. I knew better. It just shows that we're "normal".
I Drink to sometimes, we don't have any gun. I'm not gonna go stab anyone either.
I wonder what game he shot his son over, lol.
really laugh out loud funny eh
Not funny, 'shqype.'
because this isn't a laughing matter
I Vote "Halo" but I Don't think it was mario./sarcastic Dudes just Laughing to liven up the situation, stop taking it so personal.
Well it was in America, and America = Xbox, Xbox = Halo. Probably Halo.
that is just sad
As f*cked up as this story may be, I laughed at how pathetic that kid's dad is.
if it was in islam, his dad will be beheaded, and like that a father will think a million time before killing his own son!! anything that comes other than god is destined to fail, any rules other than God rules will fail eventually. communism, capitalism, socialism ancient Egyptians, Romans, Christianity(from god but man corrupted it), Judaism(from god but man corrupted it), Hinduism, Buddhism etc all failing and failed and will fail except God's rules and book. unfortunately even muslims are not practicing the true islam thats why muslims in deep sh*t now, but before 5 centuries ago, we were ruling the world with knowledge and peace, christiand jews and other were living in so peace under islam ruling, we even gave knowledge to the mid-evil time for europe when they were still burning women and men for using science,we were at that point so much advanced in science and the world was much better than now.
probably a bot
Don't even f*cking go there A story about a kid being murdered by his own father, and you're still talking about fanboy crap?....wow
your post is still f'ed up. Wow, I hope that one day you know how it feels like to lose someone. Xbot or Droid, we can agree this guy is retarded.
No. Just don't. That's disgusting. The boy is dead. DO NOT make stupid remarks about this.
The 360 hasn't had any games for awhile now ;)
Hey man, I'm Texan and I ain't a bot. Don't generalize.
Just show the maturity of the people on this site.
All fanboys aside , this really is an unfortunate tragedy, I cant imagine how someone can just do this to their own child. Sooner or later he will face the reality of his action and will be force to live with it for the rest of his life.
wow Mr. Jack T is going to blame Rockstar for this, that's sad.
I'd kill if my copy of Uncharted 2 was missing too.
I hope you wind up alone the rest of your life.
I'm hoping this is a fake article. This CAN'T be true.
From the comment section: "Mythbuster (210) Mythbuster wrote: Lends some credence to video games causing violence." No, no it doesn't. It lend some credence that stupid people and alcohol don't mix. I'm sure it would have happened had it been an argument over a missing comic book or remote control or beer...
You american's and go on all you like about having the most freedom But f*ck, I'm GLAD that guns aren't legal for the public here in the UK
Yh, legality stops gun ownership, oh wait. One question, are you new?
you must not know much about the history of gun control throughout history. lets just say counties like cambodia, uganda, south africa, germany, china, and many other eastern countries lost over millions upon millions of people because of gun control. sure giving a gun to the wrong person is always going to be a bad idea, but having the right to bare arms is a lot better than not being able to protect yourself.
you clearly don't know about. Owning a gun has Far more benefits that clearly out weigh the benefits of not owing one. In America Guns are used by men to hunt for food to feed their family's and for protection. EDIT: Why are people disagreeing with me when its true? If Americans didn't have guns to hunt or protect themselves America wouldn't be here right now.
What? What percentage of Americans require a firearm to feed themselves? Less than one percent at most. When have you ever needed one for protection? It's a viscous circle, people own a gun to protect themselves from, people with guns. It's ridiculous.
Bullsh*t, Guns don't kill people. People kill people. If guns kill people, than I can blame misspelled words on my pencil. Edit @ Fishy Fingers How are you so damn sure? If the father didn't have a firearm, who are you to say that nothing would have happened and he wouldn't have just gone into the kitchen, grabbed a freaking knife, and just stabbed his son to death??? Are you going to support the outlaw of blades some day as well? Yeah the problem here isn't guns, the problem is that no one believes in individual accountability anymore. Oh no lets not blame the father for being a belligerent, drunk a$$hole, lets blame the firearm manufacturers and lets blame the U.S. Senators for not outlawing firearms.
Ah that old chestnut. The point remains, if there wasnt a gun to hand that boy would still be alive. Edit: Dude thats the most grasping response I've yet to read on N4G.
I'm guessing you've never seen a violent drunk? That man would have beaten him to death. If someone wants you dead, he'll probably will use anything to kill you. People will/have use their guns to hunt for food, if there were a natural disaster. I've used my gun twice to protect my home from thieves.
My Whole family hunts for food, and a lot of people where I am from do. Yes, a lot of people, such as myself, don't need to, but there are who do. We also have firearms for protection too.
Dear god, do you people live in movie land or something, when you just make up what "might of happened" had things been different? Who are you to say what would of happened? The point of the story is a shooting, there for a gun was the contributing factor, if the gun wasnt there who knows what might of happened, not you, I, or anyone else, the fact remains, there would have been no shooting. "People will/have use their guns to hunt for food, if there were a natural disaster. " Stretching?
@Fishy The boy could have been stabbed to death, beaten with a baseball bat. Simply enough, guns just aid in our means to kill. They aid further than household objects. So I can turn what you're saying to a simple steak knife. Should those be outlawed also?
"The boy could have been stabbed to death, beaten with a baseball bat. " Yes he COULD have, but he wasnt was he, he was shoot, and it's a fact that people find it considerably more easy to commit such things using a gun than say a knife or bat, which require more physical and mental involvement, it's rather easy to squeeze a trigger and its game over, rather than continually stab or beat someone. I know Americans love their guns and will always defend them and their right to own them, but to me, from the outside, they cause far more evil than they do good. How often do you read "Gun saves life", it's an implement which sole purpose is to kill. Something I see little use for in day to day modern life.
I think guns should only be given to people who can take rigorous training courses and pass basic IQ tests. That would cut back on a lot of these redneck crimes. As for guns killing people, they definitely make it easier to do so.
FishyFingers is saying most of it, and its late So I'll leave it at this, ANY country with more guns, theres a higher homocide/murder/sucide rate. Guns make everything easier, and do so much damn damage. I dont think police officers should have guns either, they dont here in the UK and we get on just fine (well special force teams have them ofc) The Military and Special Forces are THE ONLY ones who should have firearms. OH and @goboty, no he wouldn't have beaten him to death, the kid tried to run away, and would have escaped, but thanks to the dad having a gun, he could shoot him as he ran away.
the communist soviet union, turkey, NAZI, china, Guatemala, uganda, cambodia, and many other third world countries have one thing in common: establishing gun control. what happened when these political organizations and countries established gun control? communist soviet union: mandated gun control in 1929 and from 1929-1953 over 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed without any means of a defense. in 1911, turkey established gun control and from 1915-1917, over 1.5 million armenians, who again couldn't defend themselves, were murdered. this one should be easy. nazi, the national socialist party...aka straight up a**holes. from 1939-1945, an approximation of over 6 million jews were exterminated with about another 9 million different kinds of people (i.e.: homosexuals, mentally impaired people, "unusual" people, other country men, etc). china: established gun control in 1935 and later on from 1948-1952, over 20 million political advisors/overseers/dissidents were killed defenseless under the new communist government. guatmela: 1964-1981 over 100,000 mayan indians were killed. cambodia: from '75 to '77 killed over 1 million people under their new communist government as well. so much for a "holiday in cambodia," huh? uganda: '71 - '79 had about 100,000 casualties to once again, defenseless people. i'll let history speak for it self and confirm that america's gun laws are fine as they are. could be modified, but a hell of a lot better than what all those people from those countries i listed went through. also, are you not familiar with the prohibition acts from 1920 to the early 1930's? the act encouraged underground black markets and alcohol was still as easily accessible as it was before they were prohibited. that would be the same exact case for weapons. gun dealers would just profit illegally and sell guns to people who will most likely use them maliciously such as robbing stores/homes, kill someone, etc etc. weapons at least establish somewhat of a deterrence to others; just like how most countries wouldn't dare to start a war with america because of our economical and military prowess. sorry, but you need to see past the "evil" of weapons and realize that a lot of good has been used from them; especially soldiers who died for our country (although that's a whole different subject.) i know plenty of people hunt for their food, and you must not know a lot about society to think that's a far cry to america's civilization.