Gamervision reports: "Wow, that was fast. 2K Games just sent out a press release, announcing that the first DLC pack for Borderlands will hit soon. This might be the first time that DLC for a title was announced and detailed before release."
Unless its BIG JUST ADD IT IN! But too late now, they have to get our money again. DLC has now involved into a secret way to charge that extra $5-10 on gamers when it should have been in the game. By announcing you already have it and priced before the game releases are JUST released is way too early. Ok announce yah we will have plans for DLC later in the future when you actually make it not make stuff for the game and throw it separate to serve as DLC.
It would have been a much better marketing decision to let the game hit and sell a bit then announce it when another big FPS is about to hit this fall to see if you can maintain some attention. Hmmm, what other big FPS could they have done that against?? Besides that you get the benefit of the doubt and avoid the negative assumptions of "cash grab", "should have been on the disk" and "why not free?". Poor marketing choice IMO. Paid DLC is fine, just time your announcement better.
That's what I've been largely noticing.
That's exactly what I've been worried about for quite some time now. An with its gradually happening more an more. Its like they are trying to slide it in slowly as if to try an make it the norm. Now don't get me wrong I don't doubt how much work it takes to make a game of this caliber for one second. Though still man people are already having a hard enough time just buying the games they want in the first place. An the more we try to get more for our money the more the model seems to be separate the money from the consumers hands some more after we launch the game. Though its a preemptive strike before the game even comes out we haven't even touched it yet. Its the same with Dragon Age origins which is a combination of the two issues. Pre order bonuses and possible uzi spitting DLC for the next 2 years so they say. So you wanna wait for the reviews for Dragon age just to be sure, it comes out an you decide I'll go for it. Well now that you decided not to pre order an you would like the full experience available for the game you just bought. Proceed to cough up $22 bucks on top of the $59.99 plus tax you just paid. Do you see how this can become a problem really really fast?
well, it's up to the gamers to put their collective foot down and not support it. I have just about stopped buying any download content for any games, no matter how good. it is a scam in my opinion. I am not really sure if it's down to the dev's it's prob more the publishers making them do this ( they are the ones in it for the money ) The only download content I am willing to buy right now is the GTA expansion BOGT. vote with your wallets. I like the look of boarder land and I will be getting it, but I won't get any of the download stuff, same as I didn't with fallout 3 or red faction G, etc.
Wow. Yet another reasons to make me question getting this game. Very bad marketing IMO to announced DLC and its pricing so early on. I mean it's hard to get more early than "before release day". I'll tell you though. The real thing that's been making me a bit nervous about Borderlands is that there has been very little information made available about what the game is like and how it is to play. I know you don't want to reveal everything about a game before it's launched but since its inception, all I've seen and heard from the devs was how it's "open world with so many things to do and so many possibilities blah blah". In most cases during the lead up to a game's release there is an influx of information regarding basic gameplay elements and what the game as a whole offers to the player. For a brand new IP like Borderlands I feel like there should have been up until now, more information made available to us as far as what to expect from the game. This tight lipped secrecy has slowly been making me wary of the game and is giving me second thoughts on picking it up. When you're competing with high profile releases like Uncharted 2, R&C, MW2, AC2 etc... I would think you'd want to show off as much as you could about your product to try and lure potential buyers to your game. I really hope this game proves me wrong and turns out to be a success as the idea of a post-apocalyptic open-world with 4 player co-op sounds like it has real potential. That and I hope Gearbox has learned their lesson and will give PS3 owners the opportunity to use a proper "R1 to shoot" setup unlike BiA:HH
It's probably less risky to announce it while interest is peak, it's in the budget, and marketing is full speed. I guess the greed surrounding DLC pretty much kills the idea of it. DLC has become just another means of up-selling to those guys. I don't trust anyone with DLC. Bethesda maybe. Content-wise, they've handled DLC the way it ought to be after that horse armor thing. Arguably my favorite devs Bioware can't be trusted. And they've been on PC doing expansions for years so they know how to extend a good game. What do I get from them now? ONE decent piece of DLC and one disastrous piece of UTTER CRAP released under suspicious circumstances. Utterly disappointing. Epic fail. Call it what you like. I like the word "bullsh*t".
But .. But .. IT'S FKN AWESOME!!
I think that this was announced as early as it was due to Halloween being a week away from launch. They probably figured that it would make the game look THAT much more appealing due to creepy Halloween. That being said - we all know that Dev's these days factor DLC into the mix when launch titles. It's a business, and the profit they make from DLC is likely far more than the amount they get from disc sales. I don't like it...and when it's SF4 costumes or Resident Evil new game mode that is just an unlock...that's when I get pissed! But this sounds very substantial. I have Borderlands prepaid and I will get this DLC day 1. Gearbox knows they've got something special here....I predict 9's from reviewers and our collective wallets will all cry. LOL
Let me beat the game first!
exactly my thought.
Let me BUY the game first!!!*LOL*
F paying for DLC. It should be free.
So what your saying is don't pay people for the work they do?
Gearbox said that as the game neared completion, the level designers didn't have anything to do so they started working on new content. They could've just made this free content instead of making people pay $10 for it.
DLC that is announced and priced a week before the game comes out should be free or not $10. If they announced it a bit after the game was released, then people wouldn't have a problem. Announcing before the game even comes out is pretty annoying to those that are going get the game, since it looks like the dev is screwing them out of content that could have been in the game easily, but they just wanted to make a quick buck.
"So what your saying is don't pay people for the work they do?" what's wrong with that? Before you console kids came around that was pretty much the standard. Maps, Vehicles, and weapons were included in patches =\. That was how pc dev's made a name for themselves. By supporting their games.
Well, it seems nowadays, people are either ignorant or enjoy taking it from behind. DLC sells loads and companies like Activision and EA love money enough to exploit the consumer if necessary.
Console kids? sorry i been around since Doom. Big difference in patches for a game like say quake 2 and now. It takes a lot more to make a game now then it did then. Thus you have to pay people to do that work. To pay them you need a product. Sure, coming out and talking about DLC before the game comes out isn't the best idea, but at the end of the day they are still trying to sell a product they paid people to make. Oh and think before you go around saying things like "console kids" i been around longer then you think and you just made an as$ of yourself with that comment. Stop b!tching about DLC. No one is forcing you to buy it.
so you're taking offense that I said console kids and not by pc gamers getting this kinda stuff for free since doom? That's probably why you're playing on consoles now.
Can't wait to pick this up in 7 days!!! WOOT anything borderlands is good to me :) PSN ID: Sitris Be a gamer not a hater
getting it for pc, I have to wait 1 week more than you guys if I'm not buying it from steam. But I have already pre ordered and paid for the game :/
getting the 4 pack on steam.. thats 33 usd per copy ;-)
DLC you broke my heart, expansions FTW.....except 'sims' expansions, the concept of multiple expansions is as bad or worse, why don't they wait 6 or 12 months then come out with a significant amount of extra content, all these dlc fee's are hefty
We all knew this was going to happen. Why put everything you created for the game on disc when you can milk customers for an extra 30 to 40 bucks with expansion packs that are already built & ready to sell via download? I think DLC can be a great way to refresh a game that has been out for a while, and in those cases worth buying. But unfortunately it is just becoming a scam to get more than 60 bucks for new games.
This game was off the radar until recently. Anyway, I normally pass on DLC. As I primarily play FPS, they tend to be MP maps, which I don't play. The last DLC I bought was L4D: Crash Course. It was very short 20 min, albeit fun - not worth 540MSP.
how do we know that this isn't the case where the developers have created the whole time-line of content that is to encompass the entire experience, from the standalone game to all the additional content to come later down the line. Besides, the article said that the dlc was pretty much a separate scenario, it sounds to me like you're still getting a complete game (a pretty big one at that) without the dlc. Unless the game turns out to be horrible, I won't feel cheated that what they are working on to extend the experience isn't on the disk when it ships.
These sort of things put me off and I may either wait for a price drop or the Game of the Year Edition
You took the word right out of my mouth. This is the new adoption I've come to grips with when it comes to Bethesda. The Game of the year addition man talk about you might as well wait on the majority of these games now because if you don't your gonna end up paying close to 80 bucks out the gate. Awww man the good old days I've been playing Xenogears since it came out an because the objective back then was we have to do it all in one shot. You got experiences like no other which most games can't compete with nowadays. Not to say some games can't hold up for quite awhile but the majority can't make it 2 months without DLC before it gets old. This part is not in response to spunnups: As far as the DLC being on the disc or at least being able to doesn't really matter. That's what patches are for if something honestly couldn't make it on time. They can feed you the story of the year an depending on the developer people will eat it up. Point being unless your inside those walls behind those decisions you wouldn't know. Think of it this way, why would they tell you if its on the disc that's just gonna piss most people off. So obviously they are gonna say it isn't it was just DLC that we finished hella fast so here you go guys. I think one of the better business models for DLC was Burnout Paradise with some great DLC for free in the start. Though later on even those become flawed with way over priced DLC like almost 13 bucks for some toy cars. The one thing that I liked in the start was that the game changing DLC was free so people weren't left out. Cars an stuff weren't that bad as it was mainly for looks a maybe a slightly fast car. Though right off the back Dragon Age Origins DLC we are talking extra missions, story, armor, spells weapons the whole nine. That is game changing DLC on day 1 that either way you have to come out of pocket for in some fashion. sigh I've gone on to long everyone understands though.
this trend was first started by microsoft.. always paying developers to do something extra on the 360.. and its ruining the market in a way. imo ppl need to stop paying for such stuff.. its probably game content that is cut off from the game.. then later on charged.
@ps3ftwin well yea.. it was the fanboisim from the xbox community that helped start this trend. agreed ppl should stop paying for dlcs which come right at the launch of a game.. just makes the situation worse.
this games 44usd preorder on steam.. i think i will be getting this on the pc.. 15usd saved over the ps3 version.. will try play this with my ps3 controller on pc.
Borderlands is a free roaming RPG with aprox.100 hrs of gameplay.You need to buy 4 games to get 100hrs of gameplay these days. I think the full price for 100 hrs of gameplay is no problem and the xtra's for DLC is a nice bonus.(you don't need to buy it) I also think that a free roaming RPG takes a lot of disc space and this announced DLC could not fit on the original disc. 5 missions of Fallout 3 takes 1 GB of space on your HD...that's 20% of a DL DVD for 5 missions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think this DLC problem is a bit exaggerated in some cases.Borderlands is a game with a lot of features and hrs of gameplay and worth the full price. They just want to add some extra's over time and now the original game is not worth the full price????? There are developers who ripp-of people with content that is ON THE DISC but don't judge a developer who wants to charge you 4 some extra's on top of a decent full game experience.
this is just pathetic. the game is gonna suck anyway
Makes PC gaming look really good about now. DLC and especially pre-release DLC is nothing more than a money grab knowing the kids will buy anything without question.
It isn't even pre release DLC. It is being worked on now and is dated for "sometime this year"
Another reason to not buy this game. Idea is cool, but the art design ruined it for me. This DLC thing is just another reason to stay away, seems pretty freaking shady.
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