Michael Pachter believes that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 will end up hurting Assassin's Creed II in the sales department.
why you think them other games got pushed to 2010? nothing else will matter in the month of november and into december other than MW2!
I dont think so. Both games are in completely different genres. What may affect AC2 sales is lack of money after the barrage of titles coming before it, specially in the PS3 camp. Just this month 3 exclusives titles + GoW Collection + multiplats. It's really hard to get all of them.
The type of game doesn't matter as much as the target audience in this case. Pachter is assuming that they both have nearly the same target audience. This isn't FFXIII and MW2 we are talking here.
Thank you Captain Obvious MW2 is a monster even if I hate Activision with all my heart @raztad "3 exclusives titles + GoW Collection" You are right 4 games + MW2 as the primary Multiplat, AC2 as the second
You don't think that a genre of game changes it's target audience?
@Bereaver Yes, but there are more shooter lovers than anything
I swear, what does Pachter get paid to do, make dumb and obvious predictions? Ridiculous.
Nope. They are two completely different types of games attempting to attract the same type of guys. In this case, CODMW2 is going to overshadow Assassin's Creed 2 by a longshot, and the sales will represent that especially since they are releasing only a week apart. Left 4 Dead 2 will be taking away from Assassin's Creed 2's sales as well. Ubisoft should push it to December, or get it out right before MW2.
both games (despite the ESRB ratings) are targeting 13 and over, mostly male gamers, used to play violent and action packed games. May it be a shooter or not, both games appeal to the same kind of people. It's not like having a sim-racer and an JRPG release at the same time. Both are action games from established franchises and both are targeting so-called "core" gamers, and both, mostly thanks to some "cool-factor" [Hey! look! it haz gunzz! or Hey! you seen this?! you can kill peoplez after jumping from a roof! LIKE A NINJA, BUT YOU'RE NOT A NINJA! WOO! (hey, you get my point right?)], and both also target the 18 to 25 years old guys, who usually act like bros and only play Madden, NHL (mostly in Canada) and Halo. Well, I guess that was what he meant. Or, he simply looked at sales figures for both titles (AC and CoD:MW) and noticed that both games usually sold very well with the same demographics, he would likely acuire such results by looking at surveys and the likes, but hey, my theory is much better.
In the long run? No. People who want AC2 or enjoy those type of games will eventually get it, no doubt about that. Personally, I've got AC2 over MW2, but that's because I'm not an FPS fan.
That really blows, still though I plan to show my support and buy AC2 over MW2...FPS overload is killing me.
pachter IS captain obvious!
No it wont.. It didnt in 2007 and it wont now!
Assassin's Creed one, hurt the sale of Assassin's Creed two... Now, if they get rid of the repetition then by all means, it might be worth the rental.
Hasnt stopped be from pre-ordering Assassins Creed 2. i get 9 solid days to get to my first prestige and then when i start getting angry at CoD which is going to happen. i can calm down by stabbing some Templar's in the face with a hidden dagger. I kinda lost faith in MW2 when i heard that their was no connection search preference like [email protected] had. That will ultimately be the demise of the game in Australia and New Zealand. once we start getting thrown into American and European lobbies thats when Halo 3 will get slapped back into the Xbox..... or Borderlands, whatever i feel like at the time.
It doesn't matter if you Hate Activision or Love them, MW2 will be huge, Its the same thing as FFXIII over at Japan.So yes it will hurt them, just like any game comin out in the same month as FFXIII in japan won't do as good.
@Butterfinger - Totally agreed! The people that will buy Assassin's Creed titles seem to line up well with the people that will buy MW2. Guess which one they'll buy first? By the way, off-topic, but awesome icon. Honestly, I could care less about these two games. Whenever I stop playing Demon's Souls, I'll leap for Uncharted 2. Considering how much I like Demon's Souls, though, that time may be when the next-next generation of systems comes out. I wonder what that'll be like... NinGoogle vs. SonyMicrosoft?
I'll say both games will be equal. And I'm getting both.
i disagree. Ubi burned me with both far cry 2 and Ass creed 1. No amount of praise can make me buy Ass creed 2 until its a bargin bin title.
They are still, both, day one purchases for me!
I think assasin's creed 1 being a boreing PoS will also hurt it's sales
one of the only ones to agree with you, but what you said was true and funny. lmao.
It's not always the game that makes the sale. It's the idea behind that connects to the audience.
compare MW1 to AC1 and you have your answer. that is really all the public will go by (as well as the huge stinking pile of cash they spend on marketing MW2 i spose).
that's what I was thinking too. But, I am still getting creed2.
I felt that I had to like this game or would be ostracized for being superficial. But man, you just do the same three things over and over... gave up half way through.
Totally forgot about AC II. I'll try to get that and Uncharted these coming months. Modern Warfare can wait till it's in the bargain bin.
Good luck with that, Modern Warfare kept it's price high even at second hand for a very long time. I should imagine it will be the same with this one.
Yeah, I didn't think of that before. Bleh, I can wait a bit. There's so many other games to hold my attention, that MW2 will end up being one of those "I'm bored and need a game to play" impulse purchases during the summer drought.
I'm getting both for Christmas. Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls, and Ratchet and Clank ACIT will hold me over well into next year if need be.
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I'm planning on getting AC2 and waiting on MW2 till I can get it 2nd hand. Its the only way I can give a small FU to Kottick.
Uncharted 2 hurt Modern Warfare 2 sales cause guess what I'm not buyin MW2, maybe when it's used and then I'll get it around New Years or next year
Go get it when it turns to GOTY game with a little extra content.
LOL UC2 didn't even touch MW2's sales.
yes because its been released already right? and I'm talking about damage to sales because people like me aren't in need or don't need MW2, because we already got the GOTY and that's Uncharted 2, so fun :P :P :P, UC2 that is
sales, sales, sales. I play games not sales.
under 300,000 pre-orders up to the day of release for UC2 and over 2 million for MW2. Yeah, that's a great foreshadowing of what is to come. UC2 surely looks great, but the crowd and gathering for MW2 is just too large and dominate for your theory to hold up. Why do you think big named developers, like mass effect, Splinter Cell, are being pushed back to the Spring? Because the mass is drooling for MW2. Again, UC2 looks awesome and I can't wait to visit my brother this Thanksgiving to invest a few hours into, but MW2 cloud is too big and will cover everything.
gonna buy, Noobs for Hire: Modern NadeFare 2 around that time used at gamestop
f**k that getting AC2 day one supporting it all the way
Who cares what Pachter thinks?
i want his job. there is nothing this guy says that isn't already known on this site. what he works out in his little excel spreadsheet is just comon sense to (most of) us. CoD doesn't even have to be good to rake in the sales... just look at WaW.
I'd be surprised if Assassin's Creed 2 even sells HALF of what the first one sold because there's been little to no hype for the game at all... the first game seemed to have a lot more hype behind it I never bought the first, but despite what I've heard people say about it, I plan on picking up Assassins Creed 2, but I just don't when.... it'll probably be in December or sometime in 2010 when there's a slow time in game releases.
MW2 will be huge .. BUT ....its not like everyone has ONE game on there xmas list. What I think will hurt AC2 is the lack of hype (at least from my perspective).. There has been a TON of adverts for MW2 as compared. If anything...it not being in the public eye will hurt it more (IMO) I havent seen much on the game. I have see more of uncharted 2 and thats without even looking for info on the game. Maybe when it gets closer to release. I guess we shall see when the game sales are matched up against the prequels.
is not yet over and I'm already broke. I'll probably pick-up MW2 and AC2 on december. I'm pretty sure U2 and Demon Souls will keep me busy for 2 months.
bet those 2 gems will keep us plenty busy for more than 2 months, so AC 2 and MW2 can wait a while
Great, now that Patchet said that, AC2 will outsell MW2 now.
i want to get Fallout 3 Goty, God of War collection, im running out of budget as it is. Assasins Creed 2 is in my 2010 list, along with CoD MW2. Maybe MW2 will be a christmas buy, but for the time being money is short and the list is too big. this trend of relasing the game in fall is dumb, it only divides the market and hurts the sales of very good games
MW2 guarantees me an open slot. Since they are jacking up the Pc versions costs, I'm refusing to buy it, or even rent it. So that gives me a new open slot for AC2.
Strangely, I don't have much interest in either one of these games.
I should become an analyst. All you have to do is point out the obvious that everyone with a brain could of figured out and you get paid for it.
i think modern warfare 2 will hurt left 4 dead sales as well. when i get modern warfare im probably ganna spend the rest of the year playing it. and i was expecting to reserve left 4 dead but i bet i wont even open it untill i get bored of modern warfare 2, but by that time steam might have one of those 25% percent off sales.
Judging by what I hear at my school, Assasins creed seems like a popular title. I think it's gonna do well enough even with grenade warfare 2.
EXAMINER keeps writing the same small articles, PATCHER SAYS THIS, PATCHER SAYS THAT......is PATCHER GOD? WHO CARES WHAT PATCHER SAYS
Let's not forget about Kotick's lovely attitude, 'we can charge £55 for this game and the mugs will pay that for it', it'd be great if that meant more sales for Creed 2 which is going to be the better title anyway (Action Adventure > Dumb generic shooter like Rock > Scissors).
Assassin's Creed II before MW
Patcher's still getting paid for this, ey?
AC 2 should do ok against MW 2, because it's 2 different game types. MW is going to do better overall, but AC 2 was better to come out now, than Feb. March when everything else is being squeezed in.
God of War Collection will hurt Assassin's Creed 2 sales, because it's alot of excitement and hype surrounding it. It comes with God of War 3 demo, updated trophy support and 720p High Def graphics and most importantly its only 40 dollars.
well, as much as I love MW, I like a little change and something else. for me AC2 is the next must have game after MW2 and it's a game I wont be missing at all.
not everyone plays the same games. im sure the MW crowd is about the same size as the AC crowd, more or less. for me its ubisoft thats gonna get my money.
So you're saying they are about the same crowd? That means if MW2 sells it's protected 14 million over all platforms, (like the first one did), AC II will sell 14 million? Mw2 is going to double or triple this game in sales. Everyone I talk to is pumped for MW2, not even a whisper about AC II. I surely will pick up AC II in the future, but not for a while.
I'm only buying one, and it's not Modern Warfare 2.
It's a shame too, Il be getting both games but as single player go I'm sure AC2 will destroy MW2
AC I's story blew and I didn't even care about because it was so dragged out and repetitive. MW1, I thought the story was awesome. The game played out like an action movie and I loved that. With the tie of DC being in MW2's story, this single player looks interesting. I hope AC II has a great story because I mainly love MW for the multiplayer experience.
I dont even think I have time to buy MW2 yet with Uncharted 2 and Demon Souls holding me busy
Getting both. MW2 mainly for spec ops co-op, AC2 because it looks way better than the 1st.
Meh, Modern Warfare isn't even on my radar. I know I don't speak for the majority but I'd prefer Assassins Creed II over Modern Warfare and that's saying a lot as I hated the first and have very little interest in the second... But that little interest is more than what I have for MWII. I just hate the fact so many developers are scared of MWII that us non-FPS fans suffer or at least have to wait because of it.