Gameplayer has run a tongue-in-cheek hypothetical regarding the PlayStation 3 and how the industry would change if it went the way of the Dreamcast. History would be repeating in a most bizarre and ironic way...
hahaha... not gonna happen but a funny read.
seriously why would they be developing home for ps3 if they were going to abandon ps3? When has Sony ever abandon a console ?
wanna Support their Console but DEVELOPERS are the ones that didn't give it Full support. You can't win much without blockbuster games. Anyhow I had a blast with my DREAMCAST. I went into college with an N64 and my DREAMCAST.(1999) With the Playstation 2 already established in the states and the X-Box and Gamecube on the horizon it’s no wonder why a lot of Gamers ignored the Dreamcast. Even though the Dreamcast is labeled as a dead system it still has a ton of awesome games with price tags as low $19.99 Some of my TOP Games: 1.Soul Calibur 2.Guilty Gear 3.Sonic1&2 4.Marvel vs. Capcom 2 5.Jet Set Radio 6.Power Stone series 7.Resident Evil Code: Veronica 8.Shenmue 9.Street Fighter 3rd Strike 10.Dead or Alive 2 11.Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 12.Capcom Vs SNK(CAPCOM has love for all consoles) 13.Grandia 14.Skies of Arcadia 15.NFL/NBA 2K series(Funk Madden) 16.Metropolis Street Racer(PGR today) 17.Phantasy Star Online(XBL live Who?, SEGA was there first) 18.Crazi Taxi Well there are some more but I enjoyed these games. I think the Dreamcast's Hardware was better then the PS2 at the time. Well Sony had Exclusives, so what can you do. They had FF and MG and a lot of others. Ofcourse that is changing. I don't see the PS3 dieing that way. unless it doesn't sell and Developers start to change their minds about Exclusives. Of course it is very expensive to develop on the PS3, and we know SONY does not have great tools and Support. Anyhow if the installment-base is not there the DEVELOPERS might change their tone. They need to "EAT" too...ya know
sega didnt go from leader to failure in a generation. the genesis was the bomb, segs cd sucked, th 32x sucked, the sega saturn was the best but no body bought them,the dreamcast was good but they dropped out of the US market before thr ps2 even took off... sony wont drop out unless it fails this one and the next. sega only makes games, sony has their finger in everything.
But they're on the Microsoft side, not Sony side. If it wasn't for their cash flow, MS would have dropped out of the console war 5 years ago.
why are morons allowed access to the internet?
that was a pretty good come back.
#7 made me laugh....a bit...
I'll pass on this article.
its just for fun, its not like they are saying PS3 will fail
I know, I am surprised by how many people got all fanboy on a story which was never meant to be more than a bit of fun
I find amusing how fanboys ignore completely the unpredictable nature of every industry .. and pretend it's impossible to sony fall on its ass. Here they call it "Gersons Law": - One console can't be launched one year later and costing much more .. and being the same or weaker then the other one. - One company as big as sony has 2000 eyes and minds so they can't ever commit mistakes. - If they where sucessfull last couple of times they are going to be again.
Yeah and with all these eyes and minds they couldn't spot the PGR3 pictures being used to promote their products. Comeon fanboy, even Hiter thought he was infallible.
does this guy even know that the saturn & dreamcast went belly up
Xbox had a nice little thing going with xbox live, the 4 controller ports, built-in internet, better graphics, internal hard drive, and some new content (sounds familiar besides the internal hard drive) until sony got their act together...playstation always gets their act together. Did it with playstation 1 and 2, dont see it not happening with 3.
The PS1 was the best machine at the time. The PS2 was the heavy favorite, standing on the shoulders of PS1. The PS3 was a year late, losing exclusives, and is $200 more than the competition.
xbox did better than dreamcast
the success of the PS2 was only Okay. But that is not the case. There are still many PS fans out there that are waiting for more games and that is all that is holding them back from buying a PS3. And the games are coming. IF Sony can match and surpass 360 numbers for the 1st year and beat out the Wii in Japan and Europe (This in turn will boost their worldwide numbers) then no, the PS3 will find a way to succeed just like the PS1 & 2. But if this holiday season is a bust, and the Wii beats it out in Japan and Europe throughout this console generation then maybe we will be seeing the birth of the Sony Dreamcast. But all signs of the future point differently, but if not o'well. I'll still enjoy whatever is left in the life of my PS3
Well I don't agree either. Sony won't be the Dreamcast, because that one only sold 2 million and the PS3 already sold a bit over 3 million. But on the other hand the sales dropped so freakin hard. THe 360 sold between 200k and 300k since its launch in USA, except last month with 175k. But still, selling 82k like the PS3 did is... bad I think we can better say that Sony will be what Nintendo became about 10 years ago. Nr. 3 in the consolefight. They might learn how to please customers again to be better competition with the PS4! @ poster below You're right man, I mixed the Dreamcast up with the 3D0! Ah well with 3 million sold, they're on track for the Dreamcast 10 million ;-) @ Kornbeaner (above) Dude, most PS2 owners/buyers are not PS fans that will get into PS3 any point in time. Most PS2 owners are 'laggards' in the buying process. Only buying because the PS2 is cheap. Those are not brand minded. They will buy the 360 when it hits a cheap price (under 200 dollars/euro) just as easy, combined with having content. Just like the Wii sells now because it's the cheapest alternative, although not really next gen.
another carbon copy post by Mart. You're the only person I know who can accumulate thousands of posts but say the same thing every time.
Even though 82k in units sold (last month) is awful the numbers are still in pace with what the 360 put out it's first year out. MS killed it's own machine in order to get a jump on the competition. So far it's paid off to some extent, they are the market leader for the time being. But how long did 360 consumers have to wait in order to get somthing worth the price of the console that was truely next-gen. It was almost a whole year before GEARS arrived and took the gaming world by storm. Nothing else released by the 360 before that could truely be called next-gen. The 360 has had succeess for one reason, when it arrived it was the next big thing in gaming that arrived first. But since the PS3 and Wii arrived sales have been going down. Yeah it's still outselling the PS3 and no amount of spinning will take that away, but the fact that sales have staggered due to the competition is still not good news no matter who the lead manufacture is. But with game on the horizon that are being hyped like Heavenly sword, Lair, MGS4, Drake, Killzone 2, Socom:confrontation and community projects like Home and little big planet, will the 360 still hold that sales lead per month like it is now when the products are more even and more specialized. Nobody really knows. Halo is gonna sell and that's a given, but after that game is released are there gonna be enough games that can rip halo player away from that game to make it profitable enough for companies to bring more games to the 360. Cause even now Halo is for the Xbox what WoW is for the PC market. If Halo 3 becomes WoW for the 360 then it's not gonna look good. But whatever you have your angle in this fourm as being a Sony hater and flipping all negative sony news as fact. But give it till holiday season '07 before making judgement on a product that has only been out 6 months. In six months the PS3 has hit the same pace or has even surpassed the pace in some regions then the 360 hit in it's first 6 months.
Sorry kornbeaner but your statement about the PS3 sale figures being close to the 360's is wrong. based on NPD (all we have got) the 360 sold 1.504 million in the frist six months compared to 1.268 million PS3s sold. Thats 2 PS3 months sales difference. I know that it is not a great amount but that gap is only going to get bigger due to lack of games coming out in the next couple of months. There is alot of buzz about PS3 games at the moment (for good reason too) but there are many great 360 games as well. Mass Effect could easily be a bigger hit than any of PS3 games due to current install bases.
Very true, Mass effect could very well topple everything the PS3 has right now, there is only one huge problem. It's a new IP, that is trying to do somthing different on a console known for mainly shooters. Now mainly anyone who post in favor of the 360 in this site will go buy this game, but no game on the 360 can be called a massive success except for Gears of War. Games like Dead Risen, Lost planet have had success but nothing to the level of Gears. Now to Date the PS3 has 2 games that have had mediocre success with the limited install base it has made, Resistance and Motorstorm. But they are dedicated to releasing more of what the PS gamer wants like MGS4, Killzone2, Socom: Confrontations and they are also trying to expand on areas where they are suffering right now like online with products like Home and little big planet. The same could be said about the 360 but Halo has been the most dominate force the product can produce. When Halo 3 is released will 360 gamers even buy anything else or will they wait for Halo 4 or gears 2 to be released before they stop playing halo 3. I guess product sale can go either way but the PS brand has had success with a more diverse group in past generations, while the Xbox brand has had success mainly in shooters.
I understand what you are saying about the 'Halo' effect but i recently bought a 360 (last week) and have been playing Gears online alot. I havent felt that the Halo 3 beta has affected the amount of users playing gears. I also agree that both consoles were effected by a lack of true next gen games but I still feel the 360 launch window (first 6 months) was alot better. side note - I was disapointed by Sony announcing Socom as a mutliplayer only game. Games like this and Warhawk just seem like fillers.
Well I wouldn't know about the amount of user on Gears since I don't have a 360, but Halo possibly took some away and most are probley people who were waiting for Halo and there for are playing the Beta. As far as the launch Window, if both systems were released at the same time I think sony would've of took it. But as is the 360 did have a better window due to the simple fact it was next-gen first. It was a big jump from PS2 and Gamecube and Xbox. The PS3 has one game, Motorstorm that is the only game that truly represents next-gen the Sony way. The 360 wowed most of us cause frankly we had nothing to compare it to. With the PS3 it's like "Yeah this game is cool, it looks a little better but it doesn't look like anything the 360 couldn't offer" So Sony has a high steep hill to climb, but I think them playing catch-up to the 360 is the best thing that could've happen, cause instead of putting out a bunch of cookie-cutter games they acutally have to put in some real effort and win consumers. And that is great for me and PS3 gamers for the simple fact I can see where the effort is going and I like it and I'm excited. Games like Warhawk and Socom, I am a little bummed that ther are online only but if they can release a product that streghthen their online community then I'm all for it. But Holiday '07 is gonna answer a lot of questions for all 3 consoles. If Sony can't match numbers that the 360 put up in year one and are still trailing both MS and Nintendo then I wouldn't call it a Dreamcast I'll deam it the N64. A great system with great games but not enough to have a mass appeal.But like Nintendo you'll still see a new console. But right now is the best time to be a gamer.
Xbox 360 was also in dire Supply in the first couple of months, while Ps3, well there is a sh!t loads on the shelves bro. I'm not totally disagreeing but that how I seen it.
i hope you are kidding. are people going to buy anything after halo3, or will they just wait for halo4 and gears of war II you have no idea what you are talking about if ppl thought this, or if anything you said made any sense at all, why do you think uhmm I dont know ughhh why did they decide to make devil may cry4 to x360???? because ppl are only going to buy halo and gears of war right!!!! no disrespect to you but you are completely wrong in this case.
i like your posts MART, as there are always countless replys lol
@TheMART: Um... SEGA sold over 10 million Dreamcasts worldwide, not 2 million. I agree with Kornbeaner - if PS3 sales does not boost significaly after Christmas/holiday season 2007./2008., it could became a "Sony's Dreamcast".
Dreamcast was a $200 machine ps3 is $599 you cant expect ps3 to sell that same number of units. I believe Sony is trying to set blu-ray as the standard and use the additional revenue to offset a ps3 price cut.
But if it did? I honestly think it would be bad for games in general. Without healthy top level games from the Japanese side of the pond, I think console gaming will stagnate. No offense to Nintendo (who I dearly love), but the Wii is something else. Yes its selling gazillions, but we all know it's crap for us hardcore gamers. So that would just leave MS and their unimaginative Ip's and buggy hardware. It would suck a$$.
Both Sega and Sony are Japaneses, so it was easier for game developpers to jump ship from the dreamcast to the ps2. With the Wii being so different, Sony is the only console left for "hardcore" gaming. Microsoft and it's Xbox will never catch on in Japan. Its hard to see how, or why, current developpers would leave Sony.
Sony needs some killer games and a price drop. I cant tell the number of friends that rag on the PS3 but as soon as you mention a possible price drop their eyes light up. Many have agreed they would get a ps3 if were not for the price.
Yeah and what if SNE's Playstation 3 is Kutaragi's PlayStation 2 & the world's largest software publisher hired the Dreamcast Captain, Peter Moore to run the XBox dept.? Wierd huh?lol Funny article. =] Cheers
well in 2000 no one would ever think, that dreamcast and sega are going out of console buisness, but this happened. but, what apart games and console was making Sega ? as far as i know, nothing. and Sony makes cell phones, LCD TVs, notebooks, mp3 players, digital cameras, dvideo cameras, blu-ray disc, blu-ray players, have a moovie company and many other ways to make money. =) ok, now what about sales, WITHOUT games in april, ps3 was selling with price of 600$ around 80k. now, just think, what will happen, when Big games will be released, it`s only matter of time. 80k without games + 100-200k with games and + 200-300k(with games and price cut). =) on Sony Gamer`s Day, sony has shown who is a boss in console market. With so many Great Games in _FIRST_ year it will even outsell ps2. =)
this are just meant to take some cheap hits. if one console was very closed to being a dreamcast it was the game cube for sure. PS3 will win it has the best games.
xbox 360 is Dreamcast
Amen to that
i think people forget sony aren't exactly long standing in the game industry. they have ONLY had 2 successful consoles. think of the past like spectrum etc household names then all of the sudden gone, nintendo and sega were both the sh*t when i was a kid, and they both flopped (i know nin have now came back) think about apple they were big early ninties the boom gone now back again. don't be so confident the ps3 has just as much a chance of failure as any console. even m$ may fail one day with windows, its only a matter of time until someone makes a killer app and m$ are bumped and as for games apart from gta there is nothing i'm really excited about this year for ps3. the 360 has a far superior lineup imo i will be getting the ps3 however as i think it is a very good machine, i'm just waiting for a price cut (in uk ps3 £425, 360c £200 that is too big a gap for me) if the price in the uk was the same as the us ie about £300-325 then i honestly think that the ps3 would kill both 360 and wii. time is ticking and the current strategy obviously is not working
It does not look good for PS3, but I don't think PS3 will be the next Dreamcast. I personally won't buy one before 2008 though.. maybe 2009. I am more than happy with 360 at the moment. The day when PS3 might show its real power is not yet here, therefore no hurry buying PS3. I'm sure many people are waiting to really see the PS3 power and are not buying it just yet. (and really waiting the price to drop, not worthy now)
This continual crap on the site here really spoils it, gawd knows why everyone reads it and therefore rewards the contribution?
LOL What will you guys do if the PS3 fails? because the 360 and Wii obviously hasn't. The low sales numbers the PS3 has put up since launch is a little staggering. Personaly I wan't the PS3 to come in last because of the Sony and Sony fan arrogance but I don't want it to go away completely. We need the competition between the 3, so we can keep getting games that are high in quality and priced below $100 ($100 or more is where EA and other greedy publishers want it) But all your comments are putting a big fat smile on my face, because I can just smell the desperation in your comments.
its gets annoying. Why do the same people b*tch and moan about articles then comment on them? STFU, there funny. Go cry somewhere else f*gs.
we all no this should be the x box
Still peddling your fanboyism under the guise of a games journalist. I'm sorry but your opinion has been unreliable since you became the editor of the Australian Xbox magazine. Always making these sorts of remarks and pretending its just for fun, yet, always doing it. What happened to you? You used to be cool when you wrote for Hyper.
But it's a good head start. The Dreamcast was just the final nail in the coffin for Sega, they didn't just up and die. Sega made a 32X and CD for the Genesis that were both fairly poorly recieved, and they pissed off retailers with the Saturn and it also didn't do as well as projected. the Dreamcast was an amazing system, but after CD, 32X and Saturn, gamers just said - 3 strikes and you're out and didn't purchase the Dreamcast. The PS3 can be considered Sony's first poor performer. That should guarantee at least a PS4.
but just imagin that would happen??? god damn it Microsoft is already stealing from people ($350 in 5 years for something consumers have already paid for), if they take over they gonna start robbin people.. ya know why I like Sony and especialy the PS3, Sony is givin away alot and doin their best and have made something future proff for consumers, I dont see anything wrong in that, anyone else??
I dont think the PS3 is anything like the Dreamcast. Its more like the first XBOX, by that I mean arriving late onto the scene, being more powerfull, more expensive than its competitors etc.
lol...who wrote that is a completely kid...
More Coffee. !!!LOL!!!
Wow N4G..this is considered gaming news?
You know what I saw on the news last night? A kitten gets on some baseball field. Woo-frikkin-hoo. This morning? How to make the perfect omelet. I wouldn't call that news, but news has changed. Quit acting like N4G is some serious news source, because if they were, they'd be the only ones.
this was approved as an article, an opinion piece, not news.
I don't know about you guys But I dont want any console being the next dreamcast i have to admit sometimes i get carried away and i make some stupid fanboy posts and other times when i see ppl are just bashing a system big time i defend wether it is ps3 or x360 but anyway - if we have another dreamcast all that means for us is less choice, less games, less innovation i like that console companies try hard and harder to outdue each other - this competition is what generate great games, and innovation if we only have one choice, how do we know we are getting the best gaming experience???
Pretty sure i was playing GRAW, ES4, DR and SR before GoW and i would consider all of them next gen.
Also like i've said a million times, the PS2 won with the weaker hardware so clearly having the most powerful system doesn't get you anything
What planet are you living on Marty, if people are so desperate or will be desperate to buy the 360 then why haven't they done it, i mean no it's not at $2300 but it's still around the price of the PS2 when it launched and we know how many consoles PS2 sold, so please tell me Marty why aren't we seing sales of 20M, PS3 has an excuse, the price, i'll tell you why Marty many people who buy a console aren't geeks like you who spend all there day looking up all the wee tiny factors that make the console up, Sony is a established brand in the console world and it has delivered lot's to the gamming world, so why are people gonna jump ship to MS, to many people Sony is still no.1, there just waiting on a priice drop to get 1, to many people buying a console MS Xbox 360 ain't evebn getting a mention, it's Sony or nothing, do tyou understand that you thick piece of sh!t 50 year old virgin that you are Marty.
well obviosully ppl think ur f'd up too since you only have 1 bubble on another note: ppl always always hating on Mart I am not saying I agree or disagree with what he has to say but all the ppl that bash this is what they say "mart oh guess what its mart again ur a fanboy, what a surprise its mart doing a copy and paste yet again" well thats what all of u dumb biatchs are doing too when you complain he doing a copy paste, all you cry when mart posts something
I agree with you 100%... and that's coming from a White Democrat... lol, j/k I'm actually Republican, but damn I hate Bush.
let me say this short, it will not happen.
It is not even a serious editorial.
yeah, I'm pulling a Marty :) You know what I saw on the news last night? A kitten gets on some baseball field. Woo-frikkin-hoo. This morning? How to make the perfect omelet. I wouldn't call that news, but news has changed. Quit acting like N4G is some serious news source, because if they were, they'd be the only ones.
If one wanted to take this seriously, they can only say that the PS3 is very new technology in a gaming console market. It's simply new.
it won't be another dreamcast. A console with an obnoxious pricetag and no games that has, 6-month upon it's release, already sold 3 million hardwares pieces, is anything but a new dreamcast. Pricedrop + White Knight Story = me buying this new "dreamcast". Cheers.
if it does, It doesn't matter blu-ray will just become cheaper for next-gen and the price-factor won't even be that deep.
I don't think it's bad for PS3 to become a "new Dreamcast". If PS3 ever become as good as Dreamcast was, then I'll buy it for sure. :) ;)
if it does not surpass the dreamcast 10million in 2 years go on wikipedia to check out the numbers on the dreamcast if y ou dont believe me it might happen no one really knows...
Every day there seems to be a story that causes a "Ps3 will fail or win debate" when really, its way too early to tell anything about the 3 consoles. Nintendo doesn't seem to be the "Fad" everyone thought it would be. Microsofts game division doesn't look like its going to go down even if the Zune is dragging the division a bit from an investors standpoint. And Sony isn't a failure numbers wise the way the bad game industry hype seems to be digging for news stories with. Next Summer will be interesting to see how all 3 are doing after their big guns come out over the next year. Im just going to guess the Wii will have to slow down eventually unless it has some new innovative Wii Play type games come out.
and it's just an opinion, so relax, can anyone truly say they know for sure it won't happen? it's unlikely but... what if sony decides not to drop the price till like late 08/09?, what if blu ray loses? what if MGS and FF decide to go multi-platform?, what if MS goes on a developer buying spree? what if sony execs keep opening their mouths and spouting garbage? sony has established a solid brand name when it comes to gaming, which will likely ensure their success with the ps3, whereas sega was sliding down way before the dreamcast came out, which I think will end up being the difference. A solid fan base and some good exclusives left, should ensure they aren't the next dreamcast/3d0 or whatever. I sure would not want to see it as we all know how MS is without competition. but think for a minute, if there was no ps2, or the ps2 had flopped like the saturn, would you even be thinking about the ps3?
why do people think that 6 months into a console they can say that its a failure? PS3 numbers are very close to what the ps2 did in the same time period. Everyone that exclaims the ps3 is dying or is dead is just riding the hype train. Chill out, play your games, and we shall see after christmas.