Turn 10's Che Chou responds to complaints about the heavy JPEG compression found in photomode of Forza Motorsport 3.
"It's still better than anything Gran Turismo 5 will be able to pull off. And we base that claim on absolutely NOTHING"
No...of course not.. what do you call showing shots of the game, saying its in-game and will be captured the exact same way,Then not being able to pull it off? I wonder what Epic & Turn10's definition of bullshot is.
it is teh bess rayza evaHH!! definitive trash of this generation. it deserves all the scores and praises from the bought reviews. even the Mod$ on this site will tell u!! ^^^^c wut i did?^^^^^ take the o and the d out of Mod$ and what do u have left?
Just change the "o" to "i" in the word bullshot.
"USB thumbdrive was not an option for reasons out of our control. If we could do it, we'd be on it in a heartbeat."
It's teh definitive! Bes rassa eva! The 360fanbase need to make sure they support this great best racing game ever title to show Turn 10 and MS they want more high quality games just like this. They did this with halo3. They supported halo3 to the tune of 10mill copies and see what they got for their support? Halo ODST - only 2yrs later - which is to date the best and most definitive FPS ever created. This is what you need to do to get these great definitive gaming experiences. Support MS and enjoy.
Your sarcasm tastes delicious.
I think they know they have to work on supporting the game, so I think they will fix this soon enough.
These are the reasons companies do Beta tests, to work out these things before release.
Except the beta would have to be near the extent of the entire community in order to properly simulate how much usage it will get and how their servers are able to deal with it. Of course, I'm sure they've done a lot of internal load testing but it's just a matter of how much the feature is used I guess.
You wouldn't want the servers that are running GIGANTIC 8-player vs modes to crash, would you?
What does 8 player mode have to do with this article?
lol @Chubear You could also add reliable hardware and valuable proprietary accessories!
"We're looking into it but we need the game to launch first for some real world data." I guess they might fix it up in Nov/Dec.. considering the game hits the shelves 23rd
"We're looking into it but we need the game to launch first for some real world data." I think what they're really saying is "We're hoping to wait to see if this outrage dies down after everyone gets the game before we waste resources to fix it."
nice thinking over there! NOT!
This is an interesting response from them. It's almost like they are saying "We think we will have more people then ever using this and uploading photos so our servers may not be able to handle it" I don't doubt this but still...get new larger servers for this game specifically? I mean, this game has over a million pre-orders or something right so I would think they are making a profit and can put money towards bigger better "future proof" servers. I could be wrong though.
The servers arnt cheap though. And if they end up getting too many/ renting to many however theyre doing it then thats lost money. Theyre just playing things safe to make sure nothing goes wrong at launch. We all know that if a game does badly at launch the press will murder it. SOCOM after the patches is an incredible game which i love, but after the huge thing about the lag problems (non existant now) sales were pretty low. And all that bad press came from launch issues.
Even for 1 day early special access option, Aion failed at the launch (I saw articles here mentioning 8 hours lines to get online). They might be right to keep it safe. But they should really change the compression settings once the game launches.
Dedicated servers could totally help this situation. I kid I kid. Or do I 0.o?
they already have dedicated servers silly, those are the ones they are worried about being crashed.
All 5 of them?
... they have more than 5. -.-
Question, I wonder how many servers they need for each region? How do they figure out the right amount without the actual traffic? I suspect they would need some kind of traffic generator/simulator for the testing to make sure that the network and server performance holds. This is talking about PSN and Live in general.
Well, I'm trying to find a pic of Motorstorm1's dedicated sever units to give you an idea but I can't find them on the net anywhere but I'll try and post something that may give you an idea. I'm trying to post pics of Warhawks dedicated server units but don't know how to do it on N4G but maybe you can just go here and see for yourself. as you can see, those of server units incased in the PS3..there's a bit more than "5" I'd say. Oops, I can't seem to be able to post pics on here. Oh, well I'm sure someone with more technical know how can help you out on this one.
You don't measure servers by "amount of servers"... What an arbitrary number.
WOW!! For the definitive racer i see a lot of unhappy fans.
Tbh it was probably just one or two people who complained about it and then tons of haters of the game starting spreading the word about it to give the devs bad press. On the internet just one post about something on a well used forum board (Gamespot, IGN ect) can spread incredibly quickly where websites realise that they can turn it into an actual article and get tons of hits on their site...
Previous arrogance aside, this news story has nothing to do with Turn 10's ability or inability to program. They have valid concerns based on the amount of community activity from Forza 2. Their strategy for the pictures seems to be more a server performance strategy than just another outlet of arrogance from Turn 10.
But it's turned 10 and they said "definitive" once and I took that to heart and now I hate them! /s
Tp be honest that explanation from Turn 10 is perfectly understandable. At the end of the day Forza 3 is a really nice looking game. They wouldnt be compressing the photos just to annoy us that would be stupid. They know that this game is going to sell a huge amount very quickly. Plus they've already given the game to the best tuners and painters from forza 2 so tons of people will be online buying their first creations up online before theyre gone. (I definately will be) By making the photos compressed there's less chance of a major crash which could bring bad press to the game and put people off. Like they said chances are there will be a patch later on when everything calms down and they can figure out how the servers will handle.
may be an early disclaimer from Turn 10 would be nice. Something like: "In order to ensure the network stability and up time during the first 2 weeks, we have temporarily compressed the photos down to reduce latency. We will remove the compression once we've verified that our servers can handle the amount of traffic. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your support."
Lol, they're probably like, "B!tch, you ever hear of Photoshop? Use it if your photos turn out bad."
Turn 10 the best developer in the world!!!!!! MS the best company in the world!!!! I rest my case...
Nice. You always have insightful and well thought out comments... *cough*
That some of you Xbox360 Loyalists are actually defending Turn 10's shabby work ethic towards Forza 3. They spend more time talking about being the best than they do actually working towards it. "We're looking into it but we need the game to launch first for some real world data." This is what beta testing is for. I am surprised at some of you defending this and you're the ones who are being sold a full priced half azzed product. This is unacceptable from any dev.
Except they don't know how much fans will utilize the feature. A caveat which is impossible to simulate outside of actually releasing the game. I get what you're saying but this just sounds like quality assurance. I applaud them for taking this approach.
Shabby work ethic LOL.... I can bet you that for the millions who buy the game wont even know about this article. They explained why they used the hi compression and why they are waiting to get real world numbers the make changes accordingly. I am sure all high profile games that have a online MP need to make changes behind the scenes we NEVER know about. It just so happens someone reported this one...BIG WHOOP LOL!! I and many will be getting this game and having FUN. What do you plan to do on the 27th?
It's already being called a perfect driving experience and the best car sim ever. These are minor complaints.
WHO are these ppl complaining is what I want too know? Game hits..they check the stats or whatever and adjust accordingly..end of story :)
pfft who cares about some compressed photos anyway
"I and many will be getting this game and having FUN. What do you plan to do on the 27th?" Why take it so personal? It's that kind of blind fanboy loyalty that allows stuff like this to happen. Anyway i will be playing Uncharted 2 and on the 27th i hope to get Tekken 6. I might pick up NBA Live 10 but thats a big MIGHT. Thanks for asking though.
a numbers game" hey? so thats what a complaint is to Microsoft, a numbers game.... not so great now being that this is "the definitive" racer of the year. Turn 10 = Epic Phail!!!
"I'm trying to post pics of Warhawks dedicated server units but don't know how to do it on N4G but maybe you can just go here and see for yourself. as you can see, those of server units incased in the PS3..there's a bit more than "5" I'd say. Oops, I can't seem to be able to post pics on here. Oh, well I'm sure someone with more technical know how can help you out on this one." Here I'll help you : server cluster for Warhawk (made out of 75 PS3)
I think they are making the right move. How many times have you tried to upload a game file, picture or what ever to a server and get the old can't upload file at this time or can't find server retry later? Well this kind of move will help to fix this kind of problem in the long run and although I think this game will have a lot uploads the car designs that people come up with are taken very serious and look fantastic but you never know for sure how people will decide to spend their money so why jump the gun, after all the economy is not at its best so some people might decide to stay with Forza 2 for now,I for one have fallen into that area but when things start looking up I will get Forza 3.
It's funny seeing so many Sony fans here having a go at online components in a 360 game , the online aspect of the 360 is way ahead of what Sony are doing , yes i do have a PS3 and no i'm not a fanboy , i love both my 360 and PS3 but all online gaming is done on my 360 , it's so much better.
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