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Uncharted 2 PS3 can't become a Killzone 2

Sony Corp.'s latest exclusive, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, is the most highly anticipated Playstation 3 exclusive since Killzone 2. The latter, despite more than 1 million in global sales, sold less-than-expected in the U.S. and did little to move hardware units in the spring 2009 period. Uncharted 2 has the gameplay to help hardware sales increase, but can't afford to hold less-than-stellar sales in the cutthroat holiday season.

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Ninji2490d ago

So the title is basically saying "Uncharted 2 can't become a success"? He must be living under a rock.

The-Warranty2490d ago

You know the world is screwed up when selling 2 million is a "flop" or a "disappointment"

hay2490d ago

Come on, both Naughty Dog and Guerilla Games play on the same playground, what's the point of this article?

karan86242490d ago

Killzone wasnt even bad, it should have sold more. But I wasnt even a fan, I only found out about KZ2 like a month before it came out. However, UC already has a following. 2 million is pretty much guaranteed, if not more

ultimolu2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

...Oh my f*cking God.

It will be a brilliant game. Since when does sales make a game great?
What is with the goddamn nitpicking of Uncharted 2?

EDIT: I read the article and I still call it nitpicking.

RememberThe3572490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

It's saying that Sony can't afford to have Uncharted 2 undersell the way Killzone 2 did.

I personally don't see this game having huge sales, no matter how good it is. Sony has been unable to sell it's titles in the past, and I don't really see any of that changing.

I hope I'm wrong though.

@SupaPlaya: Because it sold millions of copies. Killzone 2 was most likely not a financial success, Gears most defiantly was. I think it was just a situation were Sony didn't have the financial backing to be able to push the game the way they wanted to.

Again, The point of the article is that Sony can't afford to have Uncharted 2 suffer the same lack of sales that Killzone 2 has.

Marceles2490d ago

Why is PS3 in the title?

SupaPlaya2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

Gears 2 can't become a Halo 3 article.

Besides, the first uncharted sold more than 2million, no reason to think Uncharted 2 wouldn't surpass that with existing fans and new PS3 owners.

Let the anti-hype begin, starting with the CNET article.

mriono2490d ago

It depends on who’s view you are looking for, 2 million may be good for your average game, but look at all the dev time, Sony put into KZ2 you have to think about recouping on the business end, 2 million sounds good to me and you, but if you aren’t making your money back as a studio then what have you accomplished, and people wonder why games go from exclusive to multi-plat.

Uncharted will do numbers, but how much money has been put out there to try and make this a blockbuster? People are quick to shout sales don’t matter, but that’s because they are the gamer not the provider

Greywulf2490d ago

Its the deathrattle of the 360 community to pretend sales matter, yet when asked why banjo kazooie flopped under a toilet they go "Buh buh...admin?!" and your comment is some how deleted.

Selling matters, over a lifetime. Sonys business model has provided second to none games that the 360 literally can't even load. Where is the problem? They are clearly making money on their products, because they are offering sequels. According to fanboy laws.. Resistance/Ratchet/Motorstorm/ LBP (name any p s3 game) are all flops. Yet, Resistance2, 3 ratchets, 2 motorstorms, another killzone, another LBP..

I mean, the only problem sonys sales has.. is convincing [email protected] that sony will never be second place.

DK_Kithuni_712490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

At my local games-pusher Killzone 2 is currently no. 7 on the PS3 top 40.

http://www.coolshop.dk/cata...

2Spock2490d ago

I know because Uncharted 2 is a great game.

rucky2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

Ok hypothetically let's say Uncharted 2 isn't successful, what will Sony do then? Drop out and cancel all the first party games they announced like GOW3 and GT5? Seriously where's the logic here?

mriono2490d ago

@ greywulf

Halo 3 sales do matter, it’s a benchmark its showing that M$ is doing something right as far as selling their games goes, and Sony could learn a lesson, how many multiplat games do you see advertised and at the end of the commercial you see the 360 sign? If you think Sony aren’t concerned about sales you’re a fool. And yes they will make sequels, that’s called logical. People tend to make more of what is their biggest sellers, but just cause something is your biggest seller doesn’t mean it’s a success, it just means its doing better than whatever else you put out, and it doesn't mean it's recouping what you put into it. Its not according to fanboy law that the game is a flop, its according to business law. Its funny cause the games you listed are Sony exclusives and don’t have a chance to go multi-plat, but you think its coincidence that if Sony doesn’t have control over the studio the game has gone multi-plat? You may be here for a stellar game, but studio’s and devs are out for a profitable game.

FrankDrebin2490d ago

will sell a lot more than Killzone. According to the Law Enforcement Gaming Database, the reviews for this game are way better than KZ2.

I had a good time playing KZ2 but it wasn't a step above the rest. Multiplayer ended up being pretty poor.

Uncharted 1 was a leap above the industry.
2 is clearly a HUGE LEAP above the rest.

That is the difference folks.

Greywulf2490d ago

Its not a benchmark by any means considering Wii titles that sell fine without them.Don't pretend that selling fine without 30 million dollar ad campaigns is some how crippling gaming, or that PS3 owners are missing out on good games. (there have been more for the ps3 in 08-09)

Again, Halo3's sales which is the fanboy benchmark, isn't the reality when you don't spend 30 million to advertise.

And I dont see any negative affects of Sony not shelling out 30 million for each of its major franchises. Quality gaming for PS3 exclusives is beyond reach of turnkey multiplatform titles & 360 exclusives as well.

You have people that are supporting these games, who want to make second to none projects. You cant do it on the 360's underwhelming hardware, and you don't have the development restrictions that MS has.

Inherently SONY knows what they need to do to make money. Its not in multiplatform gaming. Which is why the biggest news on any gamers lips, is a stolen sony exclusive.

Wake me up the day Sony stops making amazing games, and Naughty Dog leaves. Until then, I'll continue enjoying the games, more so than DLC.

vickers5002490d ago

Uncharted 2 will kick Killzone 2's ass.

darthv722490d ago

Judging by the title I am getting the impression that the statement is more pro uc2 than negative.

You look at kz2 and the hype it generated and yet the delivery (sales wise) was way below what sony was hoping for. Now you look at uc2 and the reviews it is getting and the hype surrounding it and my feeling is it WILL be better than kz2.

In essence, UC2 cant become a kz2 because it will sell better due to better pricing of the system and quality of the gameplay. kz2 was good but (imo) didnt live up to the hype. UC2 is living up to the hype (imo) and will sell far more copies and systems than kz2 ever did.

Maybe I am wrong. UC2 will not end up like kz2...it will be better!

zeeshan2490d ago

To me, sales really do matter... NOT! I had a blast playing K2 and I don't think that there is ANY FPS even right now that even compares to K2 and it'd be really interesting to see the sale figures of K3 as it has a fanbase now. Uncharted 2 will no doubt do better as it is an established franchise now. Even if K3 sales suck, it wouldn't matter to me as it'll be a day one purchase for sure!

mal_tez922490d ago

But has anyone seen a worse website design than this?

Face Palm2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

I remember when LittleBigPlanet got a 9.5 from IGN all the 360 fanboys flooded the article yelling "FLOP!" and "LittleBigFlop!". If 9.5 is a flop, what is the 9 that ODST got O_o

Uncharted 1 was good so it shouldn't hurt the sequel's sales like KZ1 did to KZ2. Shortly after KZ2 came out, I asked a lot of people at my work place if they played or are planning on it and every single person said that they're not interested because they figure since the first one wasn't great, the second one wouldn't be any better. KZ1's lack of success definitely hurt KZ2's... that and the fact that Sony ran about 3 commercials per week...

lovestruck062490d ago

on amazon .ca uncharted 2 has beeen number 1 best seller and it isnt even out, halo 3 odst isn't even in top ten.
http://www.amazon.ca/video-...

also on amazon.com uncharted 2 is 3rd and halo 3 odst is 4th....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

so how can a game be unseccussful when it has been in the top ten for 100 days on both amazon.com and amazon.ca, plus its not even out yet, and we all know more people buy from the stores then preorder, plus the reviews have been flawless plus the pr from other developers saying this game is a must by this is another typical flame bait article to get hits. everyone know that uncharted 2 is going to be a gurenteed blockbuster title for the ps3. plus its unique, not some generic first person shooter.

like 98 metascore
over 10 perfect review scores
praised many times by people that dont have to go out of theyre way to give the game good pr
won several awards at e3 2009.
the beta has been getting like perfect scores and its only a beta.

the only way this game wont produce halo numbers is if microsoft bribes every ps3 owner in the world and makes us all sign contracts.
im sick of these silly articles.

for the sake of humanity and the gaming world i hope this game outsells halo, not cuz im a fanboy and i dwell on sales but i want a game developer to get rewarded with great success that is deserved. plus itll set a new benchmark for the quality of games in years to come. and hopefully the elimination of generic watered down first person shooters with no creativity what so ever. basically what im saying is if unchrated sells better then halo maybe will get more games like uncharted 2 and less like halo 3 odst.

sales should represent quality, effort, creativity, new innovation, not just popularity.

i hope uncharted 2 fixes the damage that the halo franchise has done.... im not hardcore on this site but it would be nice to get some more bubbles. this is a newer account by the way. i just really think having the same amount of bubbles as i did not murder him and turn 10 is kindve disgraceful. so if u agree with me it'd be great if u could give me a bubble too.

DaTruth2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

Turn 10 and I did not murder him have ten accounts and refresh their own bubbles!

mriono2490d ago

@greywulf

you are assuming I only own a 360 in which you would be wrong, and please provide proof M$ spent 30 mil not calling you a liar just havent seen that figure. You continue to go in circles and avoid the point I am making, Sony can continue to make great games I dont argue with you there, but to say sales don't matter is stupid from a BUSINESS point of view. You continue to avoid that point. Name one company that's not making games to make a profit? The fact is games going multi is a testament that there is money to be made outside of being exclusive, you may not agree with the way M$ does business, but they are improving the value of the 360 with each game the make multi plat. This is an apparent sign that selling exclusively on the ps3 aint good for the bottom line, no i dont care about sales, im in it for a great game, and there are plenty on both systems, but if people say sales don't mean a thing, they obviously don't have a good business sense.

calis2490d ago

"Killzone 2 was most likely not a financial success"

Killzone 3 says otherwise.

UnwanteDreamz2490d ago

Last time I checked they are making KZ3. So who gives a flying f*ck how many copies it sold? Anyone who like the game gets to play another one.

Journalists will tell you that Sony needs a "Halo" type franchise. Don't believe it because it's bullsh*t. I have been buying games on Sony platforms since the PS1 and until this gen I never bought a game first day. None of all of my all time favorite games sold like Halo. So what gives? Halo sells like crazy but I know very few gamers my age who would even list it in their top 10.

If you are a gamer then show your support for titles that you think deserve your money. If it doen't sell 4 million its first week who cares? I don't spend hundreds of dollars a year on games so that I can brag about how much a game sold. I spend all that cash so I gan have fun playing the best games. Sales seem to matter most to these kids who probably don't even buy games unless its with mommy and daddys cash.

BTW if you are a fan of UCseries. Please don't claim that Uncharted 2 will sell like Halo. IT DOESN"T HAVE TO! All you are doing is giving the fankids ammunition.

Sub4Dis2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

you guys need to read the article. the title doesn't mean it is not able to become a killzone 2. if you just read the title then comment, what are you actually commenting on? the implication of the title, based on the majority of the comments, is that you all think the author thinks uncharted 2 can't do what killzone 2 did. what the author is actually saying is that uncharted 2 can't end up like killzone 2...it needs to do better. he's saying that uncharted needs to have great sales, not just be a great game. he's saying that while he agrees that most ppl who bought killzone 2 think it's a good game, it's sales were not stellar and it didn't really help move hardware...but sony needs to move more hardware and they need uncharted 2 to be the new piece of software that can help them do it.

really guys...just read the articles or don't comment. not every article written is intended to inspire a flame war. and not everything needs to be about how great ps3 games are or how great the system is. sometimes ppl just have an opinion on hopeful outcomes and that's what this article is about. how uncharted 2 needs to be more than just a great game, that it also needs to be well received by the consumers and eye catching enough to encourage ppl, who until now haven't purchased a ps3, to finally be enticed enough to pony up the dough.

now as for my comment on the article...good read. and while i do expect uncharted 2 to be every bit worth the purchase price, i think being a sequel, it is more likely to catch the eye of current system owners rather than say...wii owners or last gen system owners. and i don't think it will single handedly convert 360 owners. also, i think that uncharted 2's biggest appeal is the single player experience and maybe the co-op. i don't think the multiplayer, with my limited time with the beta, is enough to stand on it's own as a great game. and it is really going to take a revolution in multiplayer experience to increase hardware sales by a large number. not that i don't think a lot of ps3's are going to sell this holiday season anyway...cuz i'm very sure they are.

EDIT: guy above me. I couldn't agree more with your point of view. however, that isn't the point of the article. and your argument about halo is right and wrong. the reason why MS pulled ahead of sony is probably mostly halo. and this goes back to my point about a multiplayer revolution. say what you want about halo 3...i probably mostly agree that it's nothing amazing and it's really just a visual upgrade from halo 2 (in the multiplayer aspect anyway). but that's the point. the reason why 360 did so well isn't because of halo 3...it's because of halo 2. because halo 2 really did revolutionize console multiplayer fps. so when everyone that didn't own a regular xbox saw what they were missing, it was enough to encourage the purchase of a 360...especially since: A) it came out first, and B) there was a promise of more of that Halo experience.

i couldn't agree more with you about ppl needing to stop worrying so much about what other ppl buy as long as you are happy. but the point of the article is that sony was hoping killzone would move hardware units and it didn't. so now they are really banking on uncharted 2 to do it. sony, according to the article, can't afford to have another big budget game just have cult appeal...it needs to make a ps3 a household term the same way ps2 was and the same way Halo is. now, the argument of whether or not sony actually needs that to happen is up in the air...as i said, i'm sure sony's sales are gonna go up this season no matter what. but, you can't deny that while killzone 2 was a success from the game creators perspective, and the ppl who loved it's perspect, it didn't meet sony's expectations, and that's why uncharted 2 can't be killzone 2. it needs to be more.

sorry that was so winded...but i hope i was able to clear it up a little bit for ppl. i'm def excited to finally play uc2's story. i think imma go play the first one now to get reacquainted with the gang. and so the improvements in this new one are more noticeable. seeya on psn

lovestruck062490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

ohhh so thats why they dont run outta bubbles lol haha makes sense but still lol 10 accounts ehhh that seems like alot of work just to make people think ur crazy and mentally challenged and microsofts b*tch.

edit**

if ur inquiring me. if you read my comment i say i hope uncharted 2 sells more than halo and i explain y. im just sick of kids bragiing about halo and how well it sells it pisses me off cuz its not a good game anymore maybe it was way back when but now it is over rated. it comes down to popularity with halo quality goes right out the window. i just want justice i believe uncharted 2 selling more than halo would be some good old justice served suck it style...... i like happy endings and i believe deep down that halo falling into a well and dieing would be a happy ending for me. you'd think cuz im a sony fan boy id say i hope the 360 dies in that well too but i dont im not blind i know the 360 is what fuels sony to be better. nothing wrong with competition.

AAACE52490d ago

I don't think they meant it in a negative way!

I think that they expected Killzone 2 to sell over 5 million units and move a ton of consoles, just like a lot of other people were expecting. But for some reason or another, it seems to have mainly sold to existing Ps3 owners and didn't move as many consoles as they wanted.

Uncharted 2 should sell a lot of units and move some consoles as well. I know I'll have my copy at release. The dome got me hooked once I got used to it, and the reviews are making me feel more confident that it will be a worthwhile purchase! See ya online people!

vhero2490d ago

Killzone made the major mistake of not coming out on a holiday season.

mega BIG time2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

Well i'm looking forward to uncharted 2. And GT5. The last game i bought for ps3 was MGS4 and that seems like a looong time ago.

If ps3 fanboyism wasn't so aggressive i think it might help to move a few more consoles. The ps3 supreme society is not exactly the most inviting club to join these days (especially if you already own a box).

BLuKhaos2489d ago

This is what annoys me, do people think games stop selling the week after it launches? I think someone should let these people know that games continue to sell long after they launch.

catguykyou2489d ago (Edited 2489d ago )

No the sales dont stop. However the majority of the sales that come after the first week or two are 90% used game sales. Sony and the developer don't see any return on this.

Kill Zone 2 and Uncharted 2 are amazing games. No one really doubts their quality. It doesn't matter how good they are though if they do not sell enough to profit, it's not a good thing for the company. The reason squeals get made is because the companies hope that because of good reception (not necessarily sales) of the first title, a squeal can break into that system seller category.

A great example of this is tim schafer. He created Psychonauts and other critically acclaimed but not well selling games.

Hell, look at beyond good and evil. Anyone whos played it loves it. It sold horribly but because of the cult following and great reviews they are trying to release a squeal hoping that people who didn't play the first will try the second because of the hype surrounding its cult following.

Even if uncharted 2 doesn't make a profit, it doesn't mean the PS3 is doomed or that the game was bad. It just means it didn't reach a wide enough audience. This says nothing about the PS3 as a system and the crazy fanboys shouldn't take offense to this.

Elaine Benes2489d ago

2 million sold isnt bad at all. But when you have games that sell 2-3 million on DAY ONE, it kinda makes other games look bad. Hell there are games that have millions in pre-orders. lol.

2 million worldwise is awesome. dont get me wrong. but its nothing special in the sales world.

free2game3652489d ago

It's a shooter. It's not known as well and doesn't stand out that well against COD4. Killzone 2 also if you remember reportedly had a budget of over 60 million dollars. Meaning 2 million copies sold isn't profitable for it.

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BulletToothtony2490d ago

imo it's a game for the hardcore player.. uncharted 2 it's aimed at a wider market so it might sell more.. but we don't play sales.. we play the 2 best games in 2009 and that's what counts..

MSpence5162490d ago

I agree, a lot of people don't have the responses needed to play FPS's. Uncharted 2 will appeal to more people.

iceman062490d ago

I think that KZ2 was a difficult marketing project BECAUSE of it's more hardcore tilt. Playstation has always been a diverse console and offers so much more than just the "hardcore shooter" to it's audience. With the influx of new PS3 owners...and the broader appeal of a game like UC2, it shouldn't be too difficult to sell. The word is out to us...now Sony must convince the rest of the gaming world that it is truly worth the purchase!

mfwahwah2490d ago

"I agree, a lot of people don't have the responses needed to play FPS's. "

So how do you explain Halo and CoD? Just curious.

Danja2490d ago

let me explain it's a little thing called "Auto-Aim"...... :)

DaTruth2490d ago

One thing I love about Uncharted 2 online is that beating Uncharted on crushing puts you at the cream of the crop of the multiplayer! I have yet to finish a game, not in the top 2(but mostly #1) crushing people with 30 rank(I'm at 8).

Uncharted AI on Crushing can kill you with two shots and it's ten on one; Humans with fair numbers are just not a challenge!

ScoobyDrew2490d ago

(pointed at the Beta)... personally, this is the only 3rd person shooter i enjoy right now. This is due to how easy it is to get the hang of it... it offers a quick learning curve but also offers EXTREME tactical opportunities. the way the cover system blends with the game offers many chances for you to work your way through a level... not to mention climbing up the environment too!!! i mean come on, who doesn't like climbing up behind someone and pulling 'em off a ledge.

mfwahwah2490d ago

@2.4

Great. Just the type of answer I was expecting.

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MURKERR2490d ago

which is great for a game where its predecessor basically sucked

RememberThe3572490d ago

There is no need to defend Killzone 2's sales. Sony expected Killzone 2 to sell MGS4 numbers(4 mil), yet they didn't promote it at all. The outcome? Half of it's potential sales.

And Killzone was a great game. The Story was great, the gameplay was solid and varied, and the graphics were good for a PS2 game.

Killzone 2 had the potential to sell big numbers, but it's launch was like that of LBP--a series of unfortunate events.

SupaPlaya2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

on advertising Killzone 2? In comparison, L4D2 is going to push 25 million.

The reason I'm asking is that less copies sold doesn't always equal less profit. You have to factor in how much was spent in costs such as marketing as well. Also don't forget that some of that tech is probably being shared with games such as Uncharted 2.

iceman062490d ago

Though it was critically panned by the gaming media....Killzone was actually a good game. No...the controls weren't perfect....but the AI was excellent for that time period. Plus, the story was pretty interesting. It just wasn't HALO...which was held up by the media as the best FPS EVER!!!

mfwahwah2490d ago

@3.2

Killzone 2 actually had a MASSIVE budget. Advertising alone pushed passed $20 million I'm pretty sure.

SupaPlaya2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

is that while I know KZ2 has a sizable budget, I've never seen any article or source describing how much went into advertising for the game.

I don't remember seeing much KZ2 ad. Just the combat evolved one once on Spike and that's it.

Can you show me where you saw the $20 million for advertising for KZ2? Thanks.

DaTruth2490d ago

What FPS game could touch Metal Gear on PS console. Sony... er, nobody in the world would expect Killzone 2 to touch Metal Gear in sales. They can hardly expect to sell one copy in Japan!

Can't believe you could even say something like that; It's almost blasphemy!

mfwahwah2490d ago

@3.5

I lost the links but I remember reading it. Might have been a rumor though, since that's all I can seem to find from googling it.

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MetalGearRising2490d ago

I would be surprised if uncharted 2 sold 1 million in ps3 life time which i doubt anyway good luck because you'll definitely need it.

OmarJA2490d ago

Halo RRODST was a flop, 8 millions Halo 3 owners didn't care about an overpriced expansion...

Man so many AAA exclusives coming on my PS3 this year, can't wait to play them. :D

DK_Kithuni_712490d ago

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune sold over 2,5 million copies and is still selling. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves will surely top that.

Nitrowolf22490d ago

sales sales sales is that the only thing that matter to bots now? what does it d for you? because not always do sales=Quality

Aquarius2490d ago (Edited 2490d ago )

This is what happens to you when you haven't played an exclusive game in 7 MONTHS only to find out that its the exact same game you bought years ago. ODLC and Flawza.

You turn into a lunatic.

Don't buy a 3shltty, if you want that awful x-bug experience.

PLAY BEYOND.

Sir Ken_Kutaragi2490d ago

I'm just glad i can Play 'KillZone 2' + 'Uncharted 2' + the other AMAZING 'AAA' PS3 ONLY Games on my SEXY;)AS FUNK...
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||.........___||.......____|| 'Triple'A'Station 3' ;-P

Kill Crow2490d ago

won't do as well as poozone, not that poozone even did well to begin with

Toothless droids didn't buy it ...

MetaIGearRising2489d ago

lol blah blah blah im an xbot look at me. I suck!!!

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renegade2490d ago

So Killzone 2 were a success, Uncharted 2 will become more than a success.