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RPGFan: Demon's Souls Review

John McCarroll: "Ignore the scores to the right of this paragraph. Demon's Souls is a game that escapes being numerically defined by a scale, since it will mean so many different things to so many different people. Demon's Souls is tough, stylistically different from anything you've ever played before, and introduces gameplay elements that are at the same time both archaic and gloriously new. It's a game that some people will play time and time again and some people will absolutely abhor. Which type of gamer are you? Hopefully this review will help you figure that out, because if you're in the first group, this is a day one purchase." (Demon's Souls, PS3) 86/100

twdll  +   1754d ago
WTH
"A day one purchase"? with most other sites saying the same thing, and rating it 5 of 5 stars and such, how does someone come up with 86?
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Major_Tom  +   1754d ago
The difficulty can make this game swing both ways, how is 86 a bad score anyway though? He immensely enjoyed it obviously.
Sarcasm  +   1754d ago
It's funny how it's an 86. Such a random number. I think 85 is ok. But 86... what the hells an 86? They might as well give it a 86.2655
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FantasyStar  +   1754d ago
"A day one purchase"? with most other sites saying the same thing, and rating it 5 of 5 stars and such, how does someone come up with 86?...
http://www.rpgfan.com/revie...

Read that, then post again. A good game doesn't need to follow YOUR grading scale to be good.
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Godmars290  +   1754d ago
Because its their opinion?
From what I hear while its good, its also hard as hell. Maybe only for the true hard-core RPG fan.
UltimateIdiot911  +   1754d ago
Is the number that important? I mean this gen should have taught most of us on N4G that these scores are absolutely meaningless and really, 86 isn't that bad.

I've always made my purchase decision on my judgment of the game and based on what I read not what people score it. And you know what, many hype titles are not for me. Call me weird if you like but I enjoy the more nitch titles like Disgaea 3/VC/ and I will enjoy Demon's Soul. A number is meaningless unless it can be backed up.
PostApocalyptic  +   1754d ago
Here's one from RPGamer
http://www.rpgamer.com/game...

5/5

Two sites with RPG in their name. One high score and one low score. Oh well.
wanderofys  +   1754d ago
Fun fact:

RPGfan has never given out a 100/100. Ever.

The closet game to get it was Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2, with a 99/100, and is also a game that I would bet 99% of the people who post on n4g have never played.

RPGfan does not cater to n4g, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
PostApocalyptic  +   1754d ago
9.0
Everyone knows this game is a 9.0. Just drop the 85 to 100 scores and you'll have your average. This game wasn't supposed to be a big hit. So, I'm getting this game for sure!

I love it when the PS3 releases games that don't have much hype and surprise the industry. Valkyria Chronicles comes to mind. Now Demon's Souls!

:D
JoySticksFTW  +   1754d ago
RPGFan review scale...
"Reviews Grading Scale

90-100: Great - Games that score in this category are highly recommended by the reviewer. It is likely that these games are almost universally liked.

80-89: Good - This category describes games in which most things are done right. While this game will most likely end up giving you a quality experience, it is not a true classic.

70-79: Average - These games are neither bad nor good. You will probably find something to enjoy about them, but the amount of faults keeps the game from scoring higher.

60-69: Mediocre/Subpar - These are games in which the shortcomings far outweigh the strengths. It is recommended that only devoted fans of the specific genre or theme devote time to playing. While this game may satisfy a niche group of fans, its appeal is not wide enough to be truly enjoyed.

59 or below: Bad - These games are not recommended at all. They have little to no redeeming qualities, and you will more than likely find them to be a complete waste of your time. Play at your own risk."

According to their review scale RPGFan probably couldn't give Demon's souls a 90+ because it would not be one of the games that are "almost universally liked." because of the difficulty will make some noobs cry

But from reading other reviews Demon's souls doesn't belong in that "it is not a true classic" category either, because this game has already reached fanatical cult status with people still importing the game two weeks ago when the NA release date is tomorrow. And some who have already beaten the Asian release are picking this game up again tomorrow to wreak havoc on or to help out noobs on the NA servers.

I can't wait for more people to play it (me included!) to hear more opinions about this game, because it seems that the difficulty could be a great boon or a detriment to this game's sales and legacy.

EDIT:

I'm starting to think the difficulty is scaring people... Heck, I'll admit that I had reservations when I read that the game can be maddingly frustrating, but I still pre-ordered.

I just figured that much of the difficulty could be offset by the Blue Phantom co-op (which I heard makes the game TOO easy, and noobs should beat the game on their own first to get the full experience)

Maybe the devs should have added an offline easier difficulty level and be done with it. I think that would appease all of the reviewers and noobs alike, helping Demon's Souls reach "true classic" level
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Myst  +   1754d ago
*Sits in a corner twiddling fingers counting down the minutes until it officially becomes Tuesday and Demon's Souls is released*
VsAssassin  +   1754d ago
Duh RPGFan...
I cannot duh you though for your comments and the score you gave it. Nope, not duh-able at all. You could have given it a 9 or 9.5.
FantasyStar  +   1754d ago
According to YOUR grading scale, it could be that. But then how could you grade the game if you don't even own it?
VsAssassin  +   1754d ago
@FantasyStar...
Maybe you should add me to your PSN friends list and see for your self that I got the Asian Version of this game and also got the Platinum. Go ahead, I dare you...
VsAssassin  +   1754d ago
PS: My Username here is also my PSN ID
Uh huh...
v1c1ous  +   1754d ago
because we all know
the scale for games at N4G is

9.5 to 10 - masterpiece
9.0 to 9.4 - reserved for hyped games or "AAA" exclusives
8.9 and below - crap
Major_Tom  +   1754d ago
Dude no, <8.9 means it has to be burned and erased from history.
Voozi  +   1754d ago
Pretty much, I mean, I remember when 7 was considered a good game lol...
dreamcast  +   1754d ago
"the scale for games at N4G is"

you mean "the scale for exclusive games at N4G is"
FantasyStar  +   1754d ago
you mean "the scale for exclusive games at N4G is"

Oh no, you mean "the scale for PS3 exclusive games at N4G is"
Shadow Man  +   1754d ago
bu bu but
AAA!?
Major_Tom  +   1754d ago
I have a feeling most Xbox fans would play this and then go back to Halo's pathetic A.I.
Obama  +   1754d ago
Demon Soul ODST killer confirmed.
wxer  +   1754d ago
lol

Demon's souls > ODLC

FACT
Godmars290  +   1754d ago
&quot;Demon Soul ODST killer confirmed.&quot;
Why would you even say that? They not the same genera.
LeonSKennedy4Life   1754d ago | Spam
LordMarius  +   1754d ago
It seems the bots are taking away our bubbles,
Why Dat  +   1754d ago
Ahh... but you guys have me to give them back!

Anyways, regardless of what score it gets, I'm still buying this game NO MATTER WHAT! :D
Stationfan  +   1754d ago
LOL at Sega comment
LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1754d ago
well...
I'm back, kids.

I hate the freakin' Open Zone.
rhood022  +   1754d ago
It's amazing how From Software can release two games in one year that receive completely opposite receptions.
FantasyStar  +   1754d ago
I thought Ninja Blade was a good enough game to warrant a rent at least. The QTEs are done right when you get used to how the mechanics work. At least it's not random like RE4-RE5. When it looks like Ken is going to pull out his Wire, Y. If it looks like he's about to slash, X or Y. If it looks like Ninjutsu, B.

If anything Ninja Blade felt too easy when it's being played by Ninja Gaiden Vets.
kaveti6616  +   1754d ago
Arbitrary numbers is the reason why some websites limit their scoring of games to 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. IGN, by far does one of the dumbest things. They separate a game into the categories of gameplay, presentation, audio, graphics, replay, and stuff like that. But the overall score is NOT an average of those scores, so we're left wondering how the hell they gave a game a 7.7 when it is clearly not the average of 8, 7, 9.5, 7, and 8.5. An 86/100 should have some meaning to it, but it doesn't.

I'm still divided upon whether or not I should ever get Demon's Souls. I like a game with a great story. Demon's Souls looks like a quiet experience. Quiet and difficult. I think in the end I might throw my controller around and be frustrated with the experience.
Major_Tom  +   1754d ago
There is a story present in the game but it's dependent on the player to find it and trust me it gets unbelievably interesting at the end.

The entire atmosphere of the game is paced so brilliantly assuming you have the skill to progress. The story definitely isn't traditional, you're not some chump hero going in to save the day. Your a person going into the zone for your own reasons with an unknown cause your motive is your imagination.

I could go on and on and on about this game, but I realize not everyone is going to share the same opinion. It's my personal favorite game this generation and maybe of all time. It's definitely up there as far as I know.
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Guitardr85  +   1754d ago
Pre-paid in full at go gamer so hopefully it will be shipped tomorrow and I'll get it by this weekend...that's being hopeful...I want this game sooo bad!!!
XDF  +   1754d ago
Good score...
I will buy it when it goes on sale after the holiday...too many big hitters coming out.

Before I get 100 disagrees...The heavy hitters include Uncharted 2 and God of War Collection.
HolaTarola  +   1754d ago
Is it me or..
Is it me or majors Xbox 360 fanboys are accepting that the PS3 is a great console? These past weeks I saw people like GiantEnemyCrab, XDF, TooPwned, etc, make logic comments about the PS3 and its games, what happened?

The only delusional Xbox fanboys around are Ididnormurderhim and Halo3MLG (or something like that).. Nice to see this btw.
v1c1ous  +   1754d ago
heres the thing i have always considered:
the sane xbox 360 fans didn't expect microsoft to do as well this gen as they have. honestly, who did? we ALL expected sony to steamroll the competition.

there were really no "xbox fanboys" before the 360. just people who "owned an xbox.....next to their ps2". of course i wont deny you have a few bad apples in the bunch.

it's just that it wasn't until sony completely fumbled their own console's launch this gen that these factions started popping up, with some people being content with having only a 360, instead of having a 360 just because to play some of the xbox exclusives, while always keeping a sony system around.

so in short, any sane 360 owner will tell you you Do get more bang for your buck with a ps3. ill admit it. but...in a sense, the 360 is "good enough" and for some people thats all that matters.

360 SHOULDNT be in the position it is right now. everyone expected that, and in a way made 360 owners more "humble" in the fact that they didn't expect to have so many previously sony only franchises come onto the system. Sony gave it that position.
HolaTarola  +   1754d ago
Nice one..
Nice one v1c1ous, i'm going to bookmark your comment, what you said is the thing I always wanted to say, I just never found the words, until today that is. Thank's.
josuttis  +   1754d ago
"the sane xbox 360 fans didn't expect microsoft to do as well this gen as they have. "

OMG!!!

Are there still Xbox fans this delusional???

That is so hilariously sad! Love it!

Microsoft craps out the biggest console failure in history and the hardcore fans are still desperately sitting around in forums trying to pretend their POS console isn't the laughing stock of the console world.
Godmars290  +   1754d ago
@v1c1ous in Game zone, because his 10.2 comment probably belongs here.
There may not have been Xbox fanboys in the PS2 era, which I highly doubt, but there were certainly PS2 haters. Especially when it caught the blame for the death of the Dreamcast and the fall of Sega.

Why is my comment part of someone else's?
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RockmanII7  +   1754d ago
They are both good consoles.
360 fanboys are admitting that the PS3 is good.
PS3 fanboys are still complaining that Halo: ODLC isn't worth it.
Almost makes me proud to be a 360 fanboy :)
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FantasyStar  +   1754d ago
It's pitiful how the first 4 comments here are more fixated on the review score than the actual game itself. Sad. It's like they didn't even bother to read the article or skimmed it, leaving out the important bits.

How can our public education fail us more? It's like I'm paying my taxes just for kids to blow it on games and fail at reading articles competently. I don't mind my tax money being used to pay for games, but good God: please learn how to read properly before you go to apply for a job.

@Major Tom
*counted out*
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Major_Tom  +   1754d ago
Whoa count me out of that one bud.
Dignan  +   1754d ago
"How can our public education fail us more? It's like I'm paying my taxes just for kids to blow it on games and fail at reading articles competently. I don't mind my tax money being used to pay for games, but good God: please learn how to read properly before you go to apply for a job"

?
MelaDarkwood  +   1754d ago
I doubt a lot of people read the article... Most just click on the link, see the score, and start complaining.

Now, I'll admit, I didn't read it either, but I already own this game, so I know how subjective the score for Demon's Souls can be. Plus I couldn't care less about a score for a game I liked. Who cares what other people might say about it, when my opinion is, it's a great game? That's all those numbers really are, the reviewer's opinion. No one should get too worked up over opinions. =\
josuttis  +   1754d ago
Golly, looks like when know who wrote that garbage of a 'review' now...
Tex117  +   1754d ago
I heard from some reviews that the story is something you have to work for as well.

Its not like you fight hard, then dialog to move the story, then fight hard.

You experience the story through interaction with the world and NPC's that are sprinkled throughout the game.

I couldnt help myself and preordered this game off Amazon. A game that is this difficult and sublte in many ways is something I want to give a shot. I can't think of too many reviews that say games are "Fascinating" anymore. Alternating this with Uncharted 2 will keep me sane and hopefully not throwing controlers.
W-k  +   1754d ago
Hmm
demon souls is really interesting but I'm confused on some thing when these black phantoms attack you in the game and kill you what do they take from you can they take your money or Armour? i know they take your souls but is that it? and what can you take from them, but cant wait for the game its going be nice to have a challenge for a change.
Major_Tom  +   1754d ago
It's god damn shattered pride! And yes there is money at stake thousands, possibly millions. If you die you can return as a ghost and have this once single opportunity to return to your place of death to reclaim your money. If you die as a ghost before retrieving it everything you worked so hard far is gone. Not the armor just the money but money is very important in this game.
poeo  +   1754d ago
the only thing you'll EVER lose are souls, and later on they're not important at all. AND you can't lose a million souls to an invader, i've had a million or more souls on me many times and got killed by an invading black phantom, it only removes like 200,000 souls and i'm still left with most of what i had. no biggie. you can grind that 200k back in a couple minutes, if you know how and really want to (i dont, souls dont matter anymore because im high enough level).

so you really shouldnt worry, except maybe early on in the game when you havent really got anything yet, it sucks to lose the souls to someone :P but when you gain levels and get better, you will stop caring about souls. i can lose a million and dont care at all, because i dont need them for anything.
MelaDarkwood  +   1754d ago
Yep, you lose your souls, which is your currency. For pretty much everything: buy weapons, armor, healing herbs, spells, etc., plus you spend it to level up. The more you level up, the more expensive it is to reach the next level. And you can't really store it anywhere, so if you die, you've got one shot to get it back, like Major Tom said, and if you miss it you die again, leaving a different bloodstain, and those other souls are gone for good. I once lost 30000+ because I fell off some stairs on my way back to get them. I was so pissed. But it was my fault for being careless. =\

The black phantoms mostly attack you for one reason: to get their human body back. If they beat you, they become a human again. (The other reason they attack you is because they like doing it.) The good news is, you can summon blue souls to help you fight off black phantoms. But you'll only be attacked by them if you yourself are a human. When you die as a human you become a soul, but you can either become a black phantom to get your body back, or become a blue phantom and help people kill demons to get your body back. Or just play like that and kill a demon yourself.

It's a little confusing at first. Just play with it, you'll get the hang of it.
poeo  +   1754d ago
for me it's 100/100 and the best game i've played this gen (i thought nothing could beat Fallout 3 for me, i LOVE that game).

but i completely understand if some people might score it lower. i mean, it can be very difficult. and there are some other things that some people might not like.. but for me all those things fit in the game perfectly (like no voice chat, it would break the game somewhat).

it's awesome to see this getting such high scores all around though, i really expected this game to be WAY more divisive, i thought i'd see nothing but 4/10 and 10/10 scores, lol.
MelaDarkwood  +   1754d ago
Augh!! I have this game, I love it, but I want to buy it again to play on the US servers..... But I'm broke!! =(
AliTheBrit  +   1754d ago
I would like to see a video review of this game, I have barely seen any footage of it

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