Loot Ninja showed you some pictures before comparing the titles, now we bring you some video footage to compare Forza 2 and Gran Turismo HD.
Does GT:hd model damage on their cars?
Polyphony Digital has stated they have no intention of adding damage to the Gran Turismo series
when in the world did they say they wont add damage?
One of the developers, skebe, posted on ps3forums in response to tons of questions about it, where skebe said they have no intention of adding this to the game.
why don't you post the quote, because Polyphony has not made any statements.
No, but if they did it...it would actually be done WELL!!! Forza's model damage is CRAP!!! The representative from Polyphony Digital said that it's too far along to add model damage to THIS game. He also said that if they could get the rights to it, they would love to have model damage...
I know the quote you speak of. From what I understood from it, they have no intention of adding damage specifically to GT:HD, not the GT series in general. Their excuse for not adding damage has always been that it would not be realistic enough. And I'd have to agree with them from the looks of Forza 2. However, DiRT's damage system is pretty impressive, and I think it might be possible this generation to accomplish what Polyphony seeks. Perhaps not in GT5, but maybe GT6.
Actually, they are thinking of adding the car damage as a patch for GT 5 later on, since they won't have enough time to simulate realistic damage to over 500 cars. DiRT is a lot easier to do, since it's, like Motorstorm, limited to a specific type of terrain, and a specific type of vehicle, and also a limited number of vehicles (compared to the Gran Turismo series). It will also take quite a while convincing EVERY car brand company to give Sony and Polyphonal Digital the license to DAMAGE their cars... I highly doubt the companies would be pleased to see their own cars damaged, and allow gamers to compare the "quality" and "strength" each car has.
He's right. We don't know for sure if it came from a Polophony guy officially or not. But the person said something to the effect that they were too far along into the project to add damage modeling. And that if they did it they would want to do it right (ie running into a wall at 100 mph and just losing your bumper) and they didn't have the time to do it the way they want to. But this could of been another MS worker spreading misinformation.
vehicle damage is a complex thing to handle... The car manufacturers don't want all those potential customers to see how their cars would disintegrate in an actual crash and simply will not licence the cars to devs if they depict it. If you read the forza developer diaries you would see how it is a constant pull/push effort to do the damage modeling that they do in forza. You also need to understand that licencing a car with damage modeling is more expensive. It can cost as much as five times more to licence a car with damage vs without. Don't let polyphony fool you, although I'm sure they do want to do damage modeling correctly, I can tell you that the decision not to do it is 95% financial.
GTHD whoops Forza a bit.
lets see tech demo Vs real game hrmmm
...because it has the full damage modeling, ON TOP of the graphical flare. The difference, graphically, is so minute (more a difference in art/design, than hardware), that it's a virtual draw ; Polyphony Digital just spent more time on trees and lighting, where Turn 10 spent more on the cars. Too bad for PD, GTHD isn't a game about trees; they kinda miss the whole point behind a TRULY realistic driving sim. :o
--The difference, graphically, is so minute (more a difference in art/design, than hardware), that it's a virtual draw -- You my friend are blind and delusional. absolutely no comparison. GT HD is much better.
You are right about the damage modeling but GTHD looks a lot better. Sorry
GT:HD is NOT a new game but a high definition version of Gran Turismo 4 (or so I heard), so you basically comparing an enhanced version of an old game with a "next generation" complete game. The lightning effects are horrible in Forza 2 and overall graphics look Arcade-ish to me while GT:HD came out LAST YEAR and still owning the so called NEXT GEN racing games. It's disappointing comparing a GT:HD with a new game and still lose to it. I think there will be no driving game that can beat Polyphony, their dedication, hard work and focus in detail will keep beating generations of driving games. I still remember when I played the 1st Gran Turismo on PSone, was unmatchable and its later versions beat any current games in the market. I don't know what other games Polyphony as made beside GT series and Omega Boost but to me it seems all they do, work and live for is Gran Tursimo.
forza = mediocre next-gen graphics. gt:hd = almost photorealistic. gorza hasn't got a CHANCE. the cars look like bad plastic models. in gt:hd the cars look (in one word) REAL. and gt5 will look twice as good. ;D
So your saying already real looking cars can look twice as good? Interesting.
...and it's all possible, by having to use ZERO processing power on realistic driving/damage. I guess you'll enjoy looking at the photorealistic trees, and how they cast such realistic reflections on your car.... as you carelessly bounce from one guardrail to the next. :o warfed: The damage modeling was turned way down for the demo, you dork. But even so, at least SOMETHING was damaged. With the entire GT series, you can easily win every race, by never letting up off the gas, and wedging in between cars/guardrails, at 150-200 mph, with not even a SCRATCH. :o
I laugh at people that say ohhh forza got damage its so realistic... hit a wall goin 260mph and you break a head light... yeah realistic...
ARRRR. Thar be Trolls har matay! Damn fanboys (ON BOTH SIDES) just scour the god damn internet waiting for crap like this appear. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.
And your contributing to the problem.
Yup you got me. Somehow I must be trolling in that post somewhere. I must have used some l33t encryption to encode "XB0X FTW! F0rZa KeWL KRakka SHIZniggits! PS3 suX0RZ!" in the text up there. My bad.
When did pirates become troll hunters?
i like how in forza, you hit the rear panel and the windshield cracks, or the sandblasted paint when the car is barely touched... its too funny.. really realistic damage
Ok and its so realistic how you can slam into a barrier at 150 mph and emerge unscathed.
Lyberator...Smokey was being sarcastic...
I have both demos on my 360 and ps3. I like gran turismo so much more and i think it has better graphics. Although forza 2 has damage it is far from real. I crashed head on into another car that was also going really fast and after we hit head on all that was wrong with my car was a cracked windshield and a couple of scratches on my paint. I did it a couple of times in a row and my car never looked even close to what it should have. If it was realistic damaging it should have been totaled but i really am not a fan of racing sims and i perfer burnout and need for speed over both of these
because the forza demo didint even have most of its physics and damage let alone any because when you press up on the D-pad it brings up the menu were you can look at all the physics and it shows right on there that the damage is totaly turned off also not to mention that they didnt even add the customization on there wich will be a big part of the game so why dont you ppl just wait till the full game comes out and start judging from there also i know for a FACT that this game will achive higher scores than GTHD.FACT
Gran Turismo HD isnt a game so obviously forza 2 will get higher rating because it will be rated unlike Gran Turismo genius and i really dont care about being able to customize my car ten thousand different ways but i really dont care cuz im not going to buy another gran turismo game and im definently not buying forza 2
because you were corrected and i dont care if you get it im just stating the facts and dont jude a book by its covers.
I was a HUGE GT fan for the PS2. Haven't had a console for 5 or 6 years until I bought a 360 a few months back. I'm just hoping that Forza 2 comes close to the same experience I had with GT2. But hell, once the games start coming out I'll more than likely grab a PS3. Nothing wrong with owning both.
...both games still feature: - Average particle effects (why does smoke continue to dissipate like steam) - Ridiculous animatronic spectators. - No real-time weather or lighting effects. - Neither are photo realistic...actually wait, maybe if were talking about a VGA cellphone camera then yes, they are both photo realistic. If Sony can get final GT:HD product to look just as good but with 20+ more cars on the track then I would pick GT:HD to win. Although Forza 2 has damage modeling it's still rather primitive (i.e. head on collisions results in same looking damage to body and paint work) and I the demo failed to impress me. Heck, not everyone cares about being able to customise your car a zillion different ways. Basically, if Forza 2 is as good as the 360 can pull off then I'm not impressed as I was hoping for more given the tech specs that keep getting shoved down our throats. As for GT:HD - I don't own a PS3 so even if it looks photo realistic and drives like a dream I won't being picking it up.
Yeah well FORZA 2 displays 360 degree point damage physics! Lets see it has more things going on than GTHD, FORZA 2 has the damage physics the crowd other cars and its also running at 60FPS which use alot of system resources. There is not much on GTHD that takes up SYSTEM horsepower, so devs were able to concentrate in the vehicles and use those free resources on them! SO YEAH FORZA 2 FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!
all that doesn't change the fact that gt:hd looks better.... it does and theres nothing you can say.. its funny how usually xboys are about all graphics vs much action and sh!t happening at once (gears vs resistance)... and here its the opposite it's all about physics and damage vs graphics... lol... people change their mind fast
You THIEF! ;)
If you don't know the facts STFU !
is the lighting. Other than that the only thing that makes gthd look "photo realistic" is the replay.
GTHD looks slightly better cuz the mountains on the back, personally i hate both..lol...i hate this racing simulator games, but they both look the same, but GT look a lil better cuz the background, thats it
I honestly think GT looks better and its based on ps2 code. Just wait for the REAL next gran tourismo.
I thought it was a techdemo, so I'm expecting the next mage to go down slightly in quality.
This video also show how HARD is to play these games, expecially when they turn, all the turns suck, i dont get how some people like playing this games
it means your simulating racing compared to real life meaning that not just graphics are suppose to match but also what physics and the basics about what comes with racing meaning that the car that you race is more than just are car but parts that make it work the way it dose so simply forza shines on all sides so thats why i know forza2 is an over all better game or racing sim period.
In my opinion Forza 2 is good but not next gen sorry for the fail
GT:HD -> Photorealistic -> A FACT "GT:HD vs Real Life Comparison" on N4G.com(#38002)... The comparison: http://generationdreamteam.... N4G link: http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...
both GT:HD and Forza fail miserably. The fact that Turn 10 actually tried 'realistic damage' and ended up resorting to simple bumper deformation and "cracked glass textures" is just sad though. It's most likely not their fault though since it's a limitation of the 360's CPU, and not necessarily their talent. But in terms of actual graphics, GT:HD wins by a long shot. Higher polygon counts, higher-res textures, lighting that looks a lot more natural, etc, it's no comparison. As for HDR, we already know RSX is the best GPU for that (no joke, you can thank ILM for 128-bit HDR vs. ATI's 32 and 64-bit offerings). Now, driving physics is something I can't comment on for Forza since I haven't played it. But GT:HD was a very noticeable improvement over GT4 in terms of realism and responsiveness.
The damage is turned off in the demo for forza. Pull up the telemetry display by hitting up on the d-pad. Forza 2 feels much more realistic but gthd does look better. GThd only renders 1 car at a time and does very little in the way of phsyics so it better look worlds better. Okay arguement done lets move on.
GTHD wins..looks so real!!
forza demo is set to cosmetic damage only ! forza demo is set to cosmetic damage only ! forza demo is set to cosmetic damage only ! in the full game you can break your car ! in the full game you can break your car ! in the full game you can break your car ! did it get through !
Thank you Cuppa! I was pulling my hair out reading the comments about damage.
The winner is GT:HD.
Whatever flame me all you guys want but I think Forza looks better. Forza's skies look real, GT's most definetly do not. The only thing in this video that impressed me from GTHD was the mountains. I thought the cars looked floaty and kind of off. But whatever and to the people talking about damage. Ok, it was ARCADE. Their is no damage in it. It's all only cosmetic. When you get the real game it will most certainly have more realistic damage and you can total your car.
-The only thing in this video that impressed me from GTHD was the mountains- Sounds like you are farsighted, not to worry, there are glasses that can correct this problem then you'll be able to see how nice GT HD really is and not just the stuff that's far away.
I have played the game moron I have a PS3 in my house. Forza looks cleaner and more crisp GT just feels fake to me.
Forza 2 must be the most over hyped game 2007 !! You blind SH-T !!!!
GT wins with ease remembering this is just a concept when the real game drops i expect better. It would have been nice if they added damage though just cus forza has damage dosent mean they did dat gud a job with it
forza demo is set to cosmetic damage only ! forza demo is set to cosmetic damage only ! forza demo is set to cosmetic damage only ! in the full game you can Destroy your car ! in the full game you can Destroy your car ! in the full game you can Destroy your car ! GT:HD is a remake of 4 which considered by everybody no where near good as 3 A-spec (Talk about going backwards on a track while being over lapped.) Now after looking at the Video GT:HD Resolution is Low compared to Forza being high. GT still don't have damage while Forza demo give you cosmetic effects and something to look forward in the finished product. GT demo has you racing against no one but yourself meaning no graphical mishap can happen,Forza has 7 others on a track with you with good AI and no graphic mishaps. Forza Demo Give out so much info that a non-car buff like me was looking at everything like i knew what the hell i was looking becoming interested at the level of detail thats going into this game. GT has 4 games, everytime they release one the other is a step back (so 5 whould be a step forward while 6 is a step back.) Its alright you can hate on Forza all you want about effects but as long as GT has none effects are effects. "Although forza 2 has damage it is far from real. I crashed head on into another car that was also going really fast and after we hit head on all that was wrong with my car was a cracked windshield and a couple of scratches on my paint. I did it a couple of times in a row and my car never looked even close to what it should have. If it was realistic damaging it should have been totaled" Reminder its just a demo buy the damn game cheap @ss. BTW its a reason why Turn 10 did'nt spend all their time on perfect Car Models. with over 350 cars, 1000 designs per part,multiple colors,Damage modeling, Locked 60 fp,Auction houses for custom parts,trading cars (Damn you hurting GT turn 10.), ETC It would mean more data to read online and hindering gameplay. Whereas we know this game will be online out the box flawlessly like part 1 what will be of GT? (Poly Should have just made A-Spec over.) Get Down or Lay Down.
"Reminder its just a demo (forza)" -just as is GTHD.
SDS totally agree.
Come on people. Just because GTHD looks photo realistic doesn't mean it will be the best racing sim. You have to look at the whole picture. The point isn't to make the prettiest racing game. The point is to make the best racing sim. Photo realistic graphics do not make a realistic racing sim. Realistic physics, damage, tuning, and customization do and they more than make up for the difference in graphics. And as mentioned above, the Forza 2 demo only features limited cosmetic damage.
Forza's weak graphics by saying it's better at something intangible (or at least harder to compare). I've heard the same excuse for Mass Effect, Too Human, and Halo 3. As soon as we started seeing PS3 destroy the 360 in the graphics arena, physics became the new excuse. Though...PS3 was winning there too, so the most recent excuse is "superior gameplay". 360 titles don't win in graphics, physics, or AI, but...it's not supposed to be about any of those departments. It's supposed to be strictly about gameplay and nothing else, right? Too bad gameplay is directly related to those departments. You and many others keep saying "Well, all the footage we've seen of the Forza damage engine isn't real; all the settings were toned down." I hate to inform you, but that couldn't be further from the truth. High-damage setting just makes it easier to build up damage; it still looks just as fake as it does on the lower settings.
The graphics may be a little different. GTHD makes 60 references per second to the track/car tyres. Forza 360 refences per second. A lot can happen in a race car in 1/60 of a second.
Forza isn't compensating anything!!!! let me think...... FORZA -Great graphics -Great physics -Deep Customization -Great Damage system -Online multiplayer modes & tournaments -Online auction house GT -Great Graphics -crap physics -NO DAMAGE -NO ONLINE -NO CUSTOMISATION hhhm looking at this list i think your the one compensating for all those LACK OF FEATURES!!! All i ever hear about GT is to do with Graphics, that just proves that its LACKING in every other department LOL. Its not hard to figure out which is nexgen and which isnt.. I love how you sony troll try to bash forzas damage system and say that they dont care about customisation LOL....Well i guess you dont miss what you dont have lol..
The word "customization" isn't even in my post, so how could I possibly say anything bad about that? Everyone loves customization, and Polyphony knows this. As for the physics calculations, no one knows how fast GT:HD does it, or how fast Gran Turismo 5 does it. The whole "Calculates 360 times a second" seems like a slight marketing ploy considering that millions of things are calculated each second during games. Maybe Polyphony will respond with a marketing ploy of their own.
I'm not sure but don't you need a car manufacturer agreement to show damage to the vehicle. And as far as I know if you have f.e. 90 different makes in the game then you need agreement of all 90 manufacturers to show damage to their cars or none is allowed. It is possible that that damage will be limited to the cracked windshields and some paint scratches or they have some made up car brands which would allowed to show realistic damage. I need to download FORZA to see which one look better but GTHD for sure looks great and drives well.
Forza is not nextgen but GTHD is because its got the best graphics!!!! Get the fvck outta here you dumb trolls...so im supose to believe that a game like genji is nextgen becuase its got good graphics HA HA???? GT is on its 5th version now...AND ITS EXACLTY THE SAME FVCKING GAME AS THE VERY FIRST GT EXCEPT FOR UPDATED GRAPHICS AND MORE TRACKS WHAT ELSE HAS CHANGED?....Its still got the same DUMB A.I, still no CUSTOMISATION, still the same crap PHYSICS and STILL NO ONLINE!!! And you dumb morons are trying to say that GT is nexgen...HA HA HA HA!!! Its now very clear that we 360 owners has very high standards compared to the PS3 fans because if GTHD is considered nexgen and a game which crushes GT in every category is NOT then iv lost all hope for you fools LOL! I SAY ENJOY YOUR LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONG WAIT while we GAME!!! EDIT: eerrm 4me2 i was refering to the long wait for the real GT5. and dont try and compare f1 to forza and GT!!
F1 is pretty good SIM (if you want next gen graphics and physics)... though I prefer Motorstorm type games more. I will be buying neither FORZA, GT5 or F1.
Get this through your THICK single minded x-bot skull..... GTHD is a F R E E demo that has been available for months. And it has also been CANNED by Polyphony because it was just higher res touched up textures based on GT code from the Ps2. And it STILL looks better (slightly) than your precious Forza (GT CLONE for XBOX I WISH I HAD GT FANGIRLS). So what do you think the REAL next gen GT will look like huh? You better hope Forza ups the quality of that peice of $h1t before its released because the bar will be way above its head when Gran Tourismo 5 proper comes around. ****EDIT***** FOr the lady below me, you seriously think GT games don't have great physics and customization? REALLY? You being honest with yourself? Thats what the whole friggin franchise was built on. They wrote the book on that. The book which your cheap imitation read very carefully. You can't be serious lady.