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Uncharted 2: Start the sales bashing

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves is less than a month away and game journalists are happily reviewing their copies now, lost in the rich and graphically amazing world of Nathan Drake. Early previews had been extremely positive and now as the first reviews leak to the web it sounds as if the initial response the game received was well warranted. IGN declared "With stunning visuals (that still rank amongst the best in gaming today), a fantastically told story, great puzzles and high-octane gunplay, it's easily one of the best titles of this console generation," and GamesRadar gushed "Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. It looks amazing, plays like a dream and the voice-acting/story-telling will hook you in right from the off. PS3 officially has its killer-app."

By all accounts, Uncharted 2 is a masterpiece.

So it's time to cue the journalistic hate.

Update:

IGN's quote was indeed from the first Uncharted which made it's way into the Uncharted 2 review. Thanks to kalel114, callahan09 and Scelestus for pointing this out to me. Article has now been amended with appropriate quote.

IGN declared “It's easily one of the best games on the system, blending fantastic presentation and visuals with gameplay that is practically second to none.”

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Peter North2444d ago

I don't play sales, I play games.

Anon19742444d ago

How many great games have you played over your lifetime that didn't sell all that well?

When sites can't bash a game for it's quality on the PS3, they're just target sales like that means something's wrong with the game. It happens over and over again.

Belasco2444d ago

Seeing you on here in the history quite a bit, where do you find the time to play games?

Genesis52444d ago (Edited 2444d ago )

Some of the best games I ever played were not really big sellers(just as this authour stated). That being said I have a feeling that this one will sell massively and probably move a few PS3's while it's at it.

I think Sony is coming around with their advertising now and with some proper promoting this game is destined to be huge.

Anon19742444d ago

That was a point made in the article. Somehow, in this console generation some gamers have convinced themselves that if a game doesn't sell a million units day one that there must be something wrong, and many game sites are quick to pick up on that, set unrealistic expectations for sales and then sit back smugly when they don't hit those imaginary targets.

Not every game is going to sell like a Mario Kart or a Halo 3, but that in no way reflects the worth of the game as much as it's a reflection of the games marketability.

And like you said, some of the best games we've all played weren't big sellers.

G3TDOWN2444d ago

so what ? which one is better ? doesn't mean mercedes sucks

Dragun6192444d ago

I totally agree with this guy, Most games especially good games don't just instantly sell a million a week its release. Journalist's need to stop being Bolshevik about sales, and just play the games which I doubt they do, all they want is Hits.

Other than that,PS3's real battle is between the media especially those like watchdog with its BS report and Sites that just keep calling PS3 sinking titanic, too little, too late, etc. People are just blinded, They just don't really understand the value PS3 offers. *sigh*

Sarcasm2444d ago

It's just annoying when they consider "Sales" = "Quality"

cmrbe2444d ago (Edited 2444d ago )

MS and their fans for all of this. Its was a way to create hype for the x360 and to put down PS3 games and the PS3 in general.

MS is all about image this gen so selling the most games and get kids to think that they are cool if they buy a particular game and be in with the crowd.

When did we start hearing bullcrap like we sold 3 million copies first day?. Yes MS. Halo 2 to be exact. It is how most x360 fans have measured how great a game is and a way to attack PS3 games even though PS3 games this gen have sold better compare to previous gens and are generally better then x360 games. Insecurity.

Its so different from previous gens where sales is an after thought but graphics and rating rules game debates. Gone are the days where its quite cool to play a rare gem that most people didn't play.

ICO is my second best PS2 game and yet i think it didn't sell 1/2 a million. To x360 fans its impossible to look forward to any sequel of a game that only sold 1/2 a million and yet most PS3 fans are highly anticipating TLG. Notice the difference.

el_bandito2444d ago

It's really sad how websites, blogs or whatever could sometimes, if not always, blind anyone with sales. Take GTA IV and the Wii for example.

TOSgamer2444d ago

I have a feeling uncharted 2 will surprise a lot of people and do very well. I'd guess 4 to 5 million when all is said and done. You can already see the reviews are having an effect on preorders. Uncharted 2 has climbed within the top 10 at Amazon almost a month before its release. I'm not sure if the original Uncharted ever got within the top 20 and it ended up selling 2.5 million copies.

Death2444d ago

If Kia's and Mercedes both cost the same and Kia still outsold Mercedes there would be a problem somewhere in Germany.

-Death

Boody-Bandit2444d ago (Edited 2444d ago )

Sales don't equal quality.

The only sale I care about is the number 1.
The 1 I purchase for myself.

cmrbe2444d ago

who among you people played GT3 and said it was a freaking great because it sold 13 million copies?.

or

Played ICO and then thought it suck ass because it only sold 400k copies?.

You have to be a retard to think like that.

Death2444d ago

Some of my favorite games have sold very poorly. It all comes down to personal preferance. Rare is a good example on the Xbox of a developer that makes good games that sell poorly. While I also agree making fun of a game that only sells a couple million copies is ignorant, at the same time when a great PS3 game Like Valkyria Chronicles barely makes a blip on the radar, the PS3 owners that didn't buy the game are more to blame then the Xbox 360 owners that make fun of it.

-Death

sunnygrg2444d ago

Kia sells better than Ferrari too, and I believe the quality of some PS3 exclusives can be compare to a Ferrari.

Sarcasm2444d ago

I'm going to guess the Demon's Souls is barely going to crack 50,000 in the U.S.

But who cares? It's obviously getting good reviews for a reason.

TheBlackSmoke2444d ago

Uncharted:DF has sold nearly 3 million copies to date (more than mass effect btw) so now it has become an established franchise for PS3. Everyone who bought the first game will most likely buy the sequel plus now with the slim relaunch and new price point there will be many new gamers wanting to buy it.

jetlian2444d ago

you count pack in as sales yea but by itself uc:df didn't move much more than 1.6 million. this one has more potental tho.

kia and mercedez don't cost the same like KZ and halo. so thats not a good comparision

ultimolu2444d ago (Edited 2444d ago )

Like I said. Sales doesn't make the game. The gameplay is what makes the game.

And I agree with you cmrbe. This AAA bullsh*t didn't come up until a certain group started using it.

Scelestus2444d ago

That IGN quote was in reference to Uncharted 1.

zeeshan2444d ago

The whole Sales == Quality thing is a gift to all the gamers around the globe from M$ and their lovel boys.. errmm.. FANBOYS!

DaTruth2444d ago

Just recently, NBA10 or whatever was given a lower score on PS3 than on 360 because of "online issues". Yet that madness that is Gears 2 online gets a pass from reviewers and 360 fanboys still hold Socom Confrontation up as a terrible mess, which also took a hit from reviewers for "online issues".

aueslander2444d ago

....some bring up kia vs ferrari, but lets go to music, the beatles have sold like what, 100 million albums all total and no one would say that they put out low quality music as like all of their albums are usually listed in the greatest of all time.

My question is (dont flame me i have both systems and actually PLAY KZ2 and MGS4 regularly) if the games on the PS3 ARE in fact SO good, then why dont PS3 fans pick them up? I mean what, only like 9% of all PS3 owner pike up KZ2 but you look at Halo 3 and what around 35% of 360 owners have picked it up.

1 million sold is a great number and IS a hit. I think though the reason people scoff at it with like KZ2 is because SO may PS3 fanboys were going around calling KZ2 a Halo Killer and a game that would make people forget about Halo. Hell, if you go to youtube, one user, elpresador, made videos saying the 360 was done after KZ2 came out. It is fanboys like these making retarded claims that brings the hell fire of sales onto them. I mean like with Halo, how can you call a game a halo killer if it doesnt sell at the same pace as Halo?

At the end of the day, I play what I like regardless but, even I know sales can matter. Even if one says sales dont equal quality, the fact that a game sells like gangbusters SHOW that a group (sometimes a very LARGE group) of people liked a game and thought it was a quality title, to think otherwise is asinine. I will say though this argument is always brought up whenever a PS3 exclusive comes out and doesnt sell as many as a 360 exclusive (Heck, even MGS4 hasnt sold as many units as the first GEARS).

I mean if we went with the fanboy defense of sales doesnt equal quality, then you can say just because the PS2 has sold 140 mil units doesnt mean that it is and or was a good machine and that the fact it DID sale 140 mil (and growing) means nothing. Of course, we all know that the PS2 is a LEGEND in gaming but, like my example of the Beatles, the fact that it has sold what it has maeans that a ton of people think and or thought it was a great console at at least ONE point so high sales with quality is possible.

As far as uncharted 2, like many PS3 exclusives, it won't crack the 5 mil sold. Anything over 1 is great but PS3 fanboys have shown they dont buy (based on games sold vs console that are out there, which is what, considere the attach rate? I sometimes forget terms so, I am sorry) as many units of a given exclusive as 360 gamers buy for the 360 (look at say H3 vs KZ2, UC1 vs Gears 1, etc). It seems like the hardcore gamers will no doubt buy these games but the casual PS3 fan doesnt as much as a casual 360 fan does. I mean of the 10 mil H3s sold you cant tell me all 10 mil were from hardcore gamers.

Then again, PS3 games (especialy from SOny 1st party studios) are hardly ever advertised. I mean I have seen like 10 times as many Arkham Asylum commercials then Killzone 2 commercials.

Ah well, I wrote WAY too much, play what you like but don't hate on those who like the games you don't. It's childish and makes you look like a raging FANTARD.

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InFAMOUS12444d ago

AHAHAH asking journalist to be non-biased is like asking Bobby Kotick to not care about money, or Gabe Newell to not like cheeseburgers! I mean seriously. Its the little thing called the internet and as long as its around we will have flamebait articles that make zero sense.

Anon19742444d ago

Last gen the internet was going strong, but game journalists actually stuck to little things like...oh, I don't know...facts. Actual news. They didn't invent problems like they have been this gen.

I don't think it's too much to expect game journalists to show a little integrity, but we as gamers add to the problem every single time we get pulled in by their tabloid style reporting. It's just like racism online. It exists because we tolerate it. We're content to just mute instead of filing a report, or standing up to it and because of that it flourishes. This is no different. If we stopped visiting these sites, or started complaining, they'd change their tune the second their hits started to fall, but we don't do it.

Sadly, we're kinda an apathetic bunch.

InFAMOUS12444d ago

@ Above... BUBBLES 4 u....

I think the biggest problem is everything nowadays is so media driven.. Look at CNN. Also with sooooo many 'gaming' websites out there journalists are hungry, and they will do anything to attract hits to their sites so they can have dinner the next night. Because you are right sir, we do give into it. If we the gamers actually showed these freaks that we wanted quality unbiased journalism then it would stop. However the reality is we are allll to caught up in the console war and which game looks better then the other, and we spend most of our time on here arguing/discussing about it instead of playing video games.
Regardless of what we say, it will continue to be this way for a long time to come

Sarcasm2444d ago

"Also with sooooo many 'gaming' websites out there journalists are hungry, and they will do anything to attract hits to their sites so they can have dinner the next night."

Some don't even get paid and do it anyway. HHG springs to mind.

Timesplitter142444d ago (Edited 2444d ago )

Will they friggin stop saying "PS3 finally has its killer app"?

PS3 already has tons of killer apps, damnit. These guys are all stuck in the past with the whole "PS3 has no gaems" thing vehiculed by X360 fanboys.

Sarcasm2444d ago

Or

"Will ____ Save the PS3?"

mastiffchild2444d ago

The article is right but the pure fact is it's the demographics of each console that dictate the sales of different game on them. Yes Sony could and should advertise their best games a bit better but by and large it's all down to a different make up between the two console owner bases.

360 gamers tend to be Halo fans first and foremost-MS needs Halo as a killer app as without it they really wouldn't sell many consoles-just the way it is. Sony with an older and more varied(in tastes generally) demographic doesn't need the one or two huge sellers to sell consoles(at the right price anyway)as pretty much any exclusive of quality will end up with 2million plus sales regardless of genre and that's just as fair as having killer apps isn't it?

You see this in action when the PS3 gamers(who, remember don't even like games and only play films)buy more copies of long standing games worldwide than the larger 360 user base does(RE5, SF4, TR:U)-it shows the varied nature of gamers on the PS3. Not that there aren't non shooter players on 360 but they're a minority tbh.

So whil it would no doubt be nice for Sony to have a game selling 10million(and maybe GT5 will do)I don't see it as a big deal or part of their plan-they were happy with LBP and KZ2 doing the usual 2mmillion so it must be their projected figure for success and they should know as they've been at this long enough.

jetlian2444d ago

your not totally on point!! one major problem with 360 is its pirated all to easy. Another thing a lot of series are known more by ps fans. so unless MS advertises the changes most people are unaware

DaTruth2444d ago

That is the reason they have six Halo games, 5 of them being Haloless. Name a game after something that will not be in the following 5 sequels.

Should have called it Green Armour dude... Whoops, he won't be in a few of them too!

aueslander2444d ago

....first, officially there have only been 4 halo games released, not 6 (though the 5th is coming out in a few days) and to say 5 of them are haloless is retarded as well since, I dunno, the 3 MAIN GAMES all had the game ending up being PLAYED ON ONE OF THE HALOS. As far as Halo Wars, the COvenant were looking for artifacts that would lead them to a Halo, and we learn via Halo 1 and 2 that the covenant already knew of said Halos before Halo 1.

As far as ODST, the fight takes place during Halo 3 and we don't know yet if a halo is even in the game.

SImply put, don't make statements about something you know nothing about which you obviously dont know jack about the Halo franchise with your retarded comments that you make.

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YellowLightzOfDeath2444d ago

I don't doubt this game will sell, but lets be honest. This article is taking things way out of proportion. No need to overhype something. Overhypness leads to disapointment. The ps3 has witnessed this with Haze, Lair, Socom confrontation, and tons of other games. This article is just digging the grave deeper for sony. No one here has ever played and completed U2 so No one here is capable of saying its a good game. As of right now we can only judge by ScreenShots. Which i got to admit look good, but real gamers know graphics arnt everything. Majority of the best ps3 games sell 1 to 2 million at most. My prediction is Uncharted 2 will bypass this limit to 3 million. Maybe if sony were to take note from MS's advertisment team then they might be able to get U2 to sell as much as the legendary Halo3: 10million copies sold as of today. And yes i know what im talking about i own both systems.

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tetsuhana2444d ago

If you owned both consoles you would have played Uncharted 1, and wouldn't be comparing UC2 to Haze, Lair, Socom and "tons of other games" whatever the hell those are.

swiftshot932444d ago

First of all, its hard to take you seriously with that name of yours. Regardless, I, and MANY others, believe Mass Effect is the best 360 exclusive, and that game sold under 5 million copies. Actually it hasnt surpassed 3 million copies yet.

No one is hyping the game and is saying it will sell Halo numbers, it will do fine and will still be recognized as a great game.

InFAMOUS12444d ago

Why do you feel the need to say you own both consoles? Seriously, you are almost as bad as the journalists this article is talking about. I'm going to say what I believe to be true.
The fans hype games not the media! When fans start showing huge amounts of interest in a game the media responds. Now the only games on your favorite console(360) that really get hyped are Halo, gears, and ME... There are 2 main reasons for this. 1) 360 REALLY does not have a STELLAR lineup, the games are generic and all run on Unreal engine, so what happens is 80% of xbox owners will actually buy these titles because they are the best they got. 2) I have NEVER seen a 360 game (other then halo3) get hyped like PS3 titles NONE!! This is largely due to the fact that people expect the PS3 to outshine anything the competition has to offer, and so it should, as nothing the 360 has compares to recent exclusive's sony has dropped.
Your comment about graphics aren't everything is totally right, but the problem being with this is that the average gamer does not promote, review or advertise a video game. The media does that, and when it comes to the PS3 they do a fairly poor job. I wish everyone could actually let go of numbers of consoles sold or games sold and just focus on what your suppose to be doing.... HAVING FUN AND PWNING FOOLZ

Sarcasm2444d ago (Edited 2444d ago )

"Maybe if sony were to take note from MS's advertisment team then they might be able to get U2 to sell as much as the legendary Halo3: 10million copies sold as of today."

You see, Sony spends $40mil on making games like Killzone 2 to ensure the highest quality exclusive possible.

MS spends millions on a marketing blitz.

And when Halo 3 launched, you got Halo 3 french fry holders and Halo 3 special cups.

So NOBODY, should compare any game to Halo 3 sales.

cmrbe2444d ago

Sony spend more money making the game than advertising unlike MS. I don't own stock in Sony. I rather them create a great game for me as a gamer.

Legendary Halo 3 that sold 10 million?. Dude you just prove every PS3 fans point that you believe that sales make a good game. It still amazes me that you x360 fans think Halo 3 is legendary let alone a great game.

Anon19742444d ago

Did you read the article?

This article has nothing to do with hyping Uncharted 2, but it's a prediction about how some sites manufacture stories regarding sales to prey of the negativity inherent in some gamers. They'll manufacture a make believe problem, just like they did with LittleBigPlanet sales, to feed those that crave negative articles. It's just tabloid journalism that seems to infected the game biz.

The article isn't about Uncharted 2 at all. It's about how the game media has got away from reporting actual stories in favor of inventing issues for hits.

It's funny that you started making sales predictions because that's exactly the thing this article stated we need to stop doing as gamers. Unless your point was to be intentionally ironic, but I'm guessing you just didn't read or understand the article.

ultimolu2444d ago

No you don't. Unless you use proper grammar and common sense, you don't. You expect people to believe you have both systems with a name like that?

Ravage272444d ago

10 million sales for your halo3, and M$ uses the $$$ to 'reward' 360 gamers with a $60 glorified DLC with zero upgrades and a 4-5 hrs campaign.

Get this right, sales =/= quality. If anything, the sales just showed M$ that mindless halo fans will buy anything with a halo name slapped on it.

moparful992444d ago

I dont know if you just havent been paying attention or you just refuse to aknowledge quality. But, all of the glowing reviews not to mention those of us that have played the game through the online multiplayer beta know that this game is special..

DaTruth2444d ago

I don't think his point was to be intentionally ironic, I think his point was to be intentionally moronic!

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