Xbox 360 Wireless N Networking Adapter makes its way into the hands of America's FCC.
after almost 5 years the 360 gets something so basic but I guess they MS ripped as long as they could people now the guy who started with an arcade and bought an elite has now a reason to buy a 3rd 360 not to mention the ones he got for "free" due to RLOD! in 5 years it'll get bluetooth and in 10 years bluray!
All I can say is "How much is THIS going to cost"? Maybe in another 5 years they will offer bluetooth compatibility. Edit: Zedux...you beat me to the Bluetooth
And will be for some time, you know?
It is also free and will be for some time, you know Edit: Anyone can purchase a wireless n router for cheaper than the 360 wireless g adapter to be set up with their home network.
isnt it the same thing ???????? i mean whats new ?? the PS3 already got this ( the same power ) from day one
"n" has higher throughputs and bit rates than "g", but it's not going to effect your gaming where "g" is more than adequate. I wouldn't bother upgrading or anything, would be a waste of money.
My wireless is 802.11n and for some reason it works with my ps3 60GB, but maybe I'm just lucky :)
An "n" router will also support other (older) types, such as 802.11g/b, they are backward compatible if you like.
The g was ludicrously priced, I can't imagine what this will cost. Ballmer must want a new boat.
You could probably buy a Wireless N router cheaper than that.
That's another mystery solved :)
You know there are major issues when the router is cheaper than the device to pick up the signals.
So this is still external? They need to drop the current one to $20. I'd buy it with the quickness.
to continue to justify charging people $100 for a wireless adapter that's free on PS3 and Wii? 360 Arcade + Wireless + HDD + 3yrs of online: $600 (plays DVD) PS3 Slim + Wireless + HDD + 3yrs of online: $300 (plays 1080P Blu-Ray)
Wireless N is overrated. I have a N router and their really is no point of it. trust me your better off just bouncing a simple wireless g signal because wireless n works wit so few things. I'd say stay with wireless G.
Only a tiny number of people have internet connections fast enough to make anything faster than 802.11B useful. Even g is overkill for gaming. All you need is good old-fashioned 802.11B for relatively lag-free gaming from any room. Online gaming like PSN or Live doesn't required a lot of bandwidth. Lag results from latency, which has nothing to do with bandwidth. The reason people moved to g is because there's less chance of frequency interference from other sources like phones and microwaves. Any idiot who thinks 802.11n will improve their online gaming or speed up their downloads deserves to pay $150 for this add-on.
Some of you don't seem to know what this actually is, so allow me to explain: The "current" wireless standard is the "g" standard. Previous standards include "a" and "b". Any wireless equipment you have now is most likely wireless "g". This new standard is wireless "n" and although you've been able to get wireless "n" devices for some time now, the standard was never actually finished until a few days ago. These are known as "draft n" devices and there's no certainty that they'll be completely compatible with other "draft n" devices or even "final n" devices, although according to the people that ratified the specification, they all SHOULD work together. Anyway, wireless "g" supports up to 54Mbps, however wireless "n" can go up to 300Mbps and over a wider area as well, so the benefits are clear. However, in order to actually make use of wireless-N, you'll need both a Wireless-N ROUTER AND a Wireless-N reciever (which is usually either a dongle addon or an addin card, such as PCI, for your PC). Wireless-N is backwards compatible with wireless-G, so if you have a Wireless-G reciever, it'll connect to a wireless-N router just fine. Similarly, if you have a wireless-N reciever, it'll connect to a wireless-G router just fine, but in both cases you'll only get the possible 54Mbps connection that G offers. So this Dongle that Microsoft is releasing is a Wireless-N dongle, to use it properly you'll need a wireless-N router AS WELL, you can't just substitute the router for the dongle, you need both. Furthermore, the more technically inclined of you might consider a wireless "bridge". This is essentially a device that acts a bit like a router, except it connects to the wireless network in your home and lets you plug other devices into it via Ethernet. These are a great way of bypassing Microsoft's ridiculous Wireless Dongle price as you can pick up a cheap wireless bridge for about £20. Anyway, you might think that a wireless-N bridge would be a good substitute for this, but you'd only be half right. The problem there is that wireless-N is rated at 300Mbps, but the Ethernet in the 360 is only 100Mbps, so you're not really seeing a huge benefit by using one. Still, the option is there if you want more than 54Mbps, can't use Ethernet and don't want to pay for Microsoft's official Wireless-N adapter.
to make people pay a lot of money for something that won't make even the slightest improvement to their gaming or download speeds. It has no benefit over 802.11g for nearly 100% of the population, and for most people, it has no benefit over 802.11b.
A necessity if they really plan to have people watch 1080i quality movies quickly and while streaming. I'm thinking this is the only reason they're coming out with this, not for gaming, but for promoting digital media streaming. @MNicholas: I'd disagree with that. Download speeds are much improved over 802.11g with n. You can argue against it, but the proof was when I went from an 802.11a/b/g device to an 802.11n device. Stronger signal throughout with higher bandwidth. Furthermore, the signal doesn't interfere with other devices using the same frequency range as 802.11a/b/g. Most gamers I know have both a Wireless N router and 802.11n wireless cards in their laptops as well as N compliant client hubs at their gaming console locations rather than running wire throughout the house.
N-type are great if you're on the go like if you use it on campus. But a console at home???
too little, too late.
Just surprised at the stupidity today.
@Fishy Fingers – You may think gaming with G is adequate, but I’m sure the other people in the game seeing you lag aren’t saying the same thing. The other problems with wireless include over saturation from other devices on the same frequency causing interference which leads to signal degradation and lag. The farther you are away from the receiver the latency and lower bandwidth. G while you can stream media it’s very noticeable that it cannot keep up. I personally wouldn’t buy a wireless device for anything I would game on. I would go CAT5e or higher and if I couldn’t get a hardwire to the room I would go Powerline. But then again I’m hardcore gamer from the PC side of the house and don’t like lag.
If you noticed an improvement in your download speed, it could be for a lot of reasons but it's almost certainly not because your new router is n rather than g. If your friends all have switched to n for gaming then they most certainly would fall into the "idiot" category. Just because a lot of people make silly choices doesnt mean it becomes a good choice. Take it from a guy who creates software for a living and knows his tech: 1) Online gaming for PS3/360/Wii will have zero benefit from switching to wireless n 2) Unless your internet connection is faster than your router (in nearly all cases, a wireless G router is about 5-10x faster than the internet connection) switching to wireless n will not provide better download or streaming capability. Switching to wireless n is like putting z rated tires on a Kia Rio. It won't make things any faster but it will surely cost you alot of money. In other words, it's stupid.
just out of curiousity...how many people actually have a home connection faster than 54mbps in either direction?...thats all that is really relevant about N...if you have some ridiculous connection at your home (like you live in the same building that houses Amazon's servers or something)...then maybe an N adapter is worthwhile... but I am pretty sure that about 99% of residential connections aren't fast enough to even tax G, making N not needed at all yet...good job MS though, I guess?...
Sorry, you're wrong. Take it from a guy who develops software for a living. First, no router puts out at max speed listed (56MB/s). Why? Because that's the max capable in an ideal environment, which includes being only inches away from the device outputting the signal and utilizing only one device with the signal. Realistically it's closer to 30MB/s, and that's without any regard to distance, obstruction, or overlapping frequency latency. What you're forgetting is the age of wireless devices we live in and why N offers a clearer and broader range of high connectivity. The N devices also offer a higher transfer rate than g, meaning less latency in data transfer. While in an ideal situation, the download rates will be equivalent on both a 802.11g capable router and an 802.11n capable router, this just doesn't happen in the real world. Hardcore gamers who can be wired will game wired for obvious reasons (almost no latency, top download/upload speeds), the rest of the gamers utilize N for the obvious reason of minimizing the diminishing returns on data throughput due to distance, obstructions, and multiple radio devices in a short range. I live in a townhome community. I game on my laptop on the 3rd floor while my N router is on the first floor. I live in a community where there are 14 other accessible broadcasting radio devices. I have purchased specific wireless phones that don't interfere with any current 802.11 broadcasting signals to reduce any loss, and similarly I utilize an N router to reduce issues with latency due to distance, obstruction, and overlapping radio frequencies from my neighborhood. Note: I'm not nor have I said that the 300MB/s speed is the benefit. The benefit is in delivering the max speed with less latency and at a broader range, which is imperative in many older homes, larger houses, or townhome communities. The benefit of an N router and compatible device is in maximizing your connection and data throughput. Not to mention making LAN gaming much more efficient from any point in your house or college dorm room.
As others have said the speed benefits from n are pretty much useless for gaming. The only real benefit is the expanded range that an n network would provide. EDIT: Skipped down a little to far. cgoodno has some good points up above.
1) while it's true that 802.11n offers higher theoretical speed at a farther distance than 802.11g, it makes no difference for online gaming because online gaming on live and PSN work just fine on 802.11b. Switching to 802.11n will not make online game even slightly better. 2) The advantage for 802.11n over 802.11g is only at extraordinarily long distances where 802.11g might not reach or have trouble maintaining a connection. I use an old Linksys WRT54G. I live in a huge brick building with tons of wireless routers nearby. Yet I get a solid signal on my Windows Mobile wifi cell-phone even when I'm outside, about 75 feet down the street. I don't plan on outdoor gaming but wireless G is more than adequate for someone who chooses to take their Wii, 360 or PS3 outdoors for some backyard gaming. 802.11n is great for building long-range data-heavy commercial wireless networks but it offers zero benefits for a gaming console. It's just another marketing gimmick, like those 5.8ghz wireless home phones.
If you're able to maintain a full signal at 75 foot range outside, then you have the ultimate in wireless devices. In my house on the third floor typically get 4/5 bars when connected to the N router (probably a straight line distance of max 25 feet through the floor) using an N wireless card in my laptop and my test speeds are about 3/4 what I get when connected directly to the router with my 20MB/s cable connection (actual is about 17MB/s in tests when connected). This is coming from using a D-Link router that was 802.11a/b/g. I upgraded to the 802.11n router while I still had an a/b/g card and still never received the max speed capable and noticed more latency. With the latest laptop, that issue has pretty much gone away, though my DL speeds still are not at max. Or, hey, you're blowing smoke up our arses. Regardless, we can both agree that an 802.11g is more than enough for gaming and streaming, but I think our contention is on the benefit of the 802.11n over 802.11g. Doesn't look like either of us are going to agree with the other, so I'll be the first to agree to disagree and move on.
To add to his statement, the practical and realistic speed you will get with 802.11b is arond 6Mbps and with 802.11g it is around 26Mbps and not the theoretical 11mbps and 54Mbps listed on the box. So don't go expecting 300Mbps from 802.11n. For most, a 802.11g is enough because your internet connection rarely exceed 20Mbps unless you are sharing data between computer on the same network and bypasing the internet. This sounds like just a new model for the same price i.e. phasing out the older model for MS.
It'll still never be as fast, reliable and lag free as a wired connection.
For 80 bucks more! aww microsoft ur so giving
So the Xbox doesn't have Blue Tooth or Wireless... The PS3 doesn't have Cross Game Communication(a big reason for bluetooth if you ask me) or custom soundtracks. The PS3 makes up for this w/ a web browser and free online. You get what you pay for. Personally, I love both my consoles, Its a hell of a lot easier to tinker/fix/mod an XBOX, but there are certain things that PS3 just does right, and I love their franchises more. At the end of the day, I have no complaints. And if anything, people who critisize MS have to give them a little credit for breaking into the gaming market, its Apples turn next, and I'm sure everyone will critisize them to death even though they will drive innovation and competition making gaming better for everyone.
"Regardless, we can both agree that an 802.11g is more than enough for gaming and streaming" As for the following: "but I think our contention is on the benefit of the 802.11n over 802.11g. Doesn't look like either of us are going to agree with the other, so I'll be the first to agree to disagree and move on." We actually agree on this as well. 802.11n is better for certain things and as good as 802.11g for everything else. The discussion above ensued because I was under the impression that you were arguing that 802.11n will somehow enhance gaming and streaming. It seems it was just a misunderstanding since it's quite clear that we're in agreement that 802.11g is more than enough for gaming and streaming. This brings me back to the original point ... the add-on is just a marketing gimmick. It will not even slightly enhance the 360's online functions.
Thugbot is absolutely right.. Yes while g devices are more then enough for gaming the problem lies in interference or oversaturation... I live in a house where each of my 3 roomates have a computer and I have my ps3 all wirelessly networked and running off of the same router. It is a G router, not to sure of the bandwidth but if 1 or more of them are running my ps3 lags, so much so that I get kicked off the network frequently.. This is very frustrating, when Im the only one pulling bandwidth it works fabulously. No lag or latency issues... Im thinking of just running a cat cable to my ps3 so I dont have to deal with it but the problem is the router is a good 30 feet from my room.. Does anybody know how I can solve this? I love being able to stream movies and music from their computers. One of my roomates has 300+ movies on his harddrive so I dont have to pay for movies... I even got to see inglourious bastards two days ago on my ps3!!!!
I used to have that problem before too. Until I got fed up & said I am trying a N router to see if it helps. It sure as hell helped, the reason I upgraded was b/c I share the network with 2 other people. Before I used to use a Netgear g router, than I got a Belkin N router($60). It sure has helped, now I don't get disconnected as much & Home(great way to test your speed) loads a lot faster. But you have to realize this also, it depends on your internet speed too. Anybody who plays wireless on the Ps3 should at least upgrade to a N router, it does help. Try getting a N router moparful99, hopefully it makes your wireless internet more stable.
The regular Xbox Wi-Fi dongle costs 1 thousand dollars, so this will cost double of that.
Here is the beta model for 360 owners. http://www.icc.es/web/gcont...
The Xbox 360 can not handle basic Wi-fi signals.
This is going to cost more than £60 isnt it? :(
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I hope the price is low for this. Why bother if it's going to cost a lot?
but the bots dont need Wi-Fi ???
Yeah thats what I thought. Last weekk wifi was usless for gaming now all of a sudden its the best thing ever.
So because microsoft is adding n wireless you think xbox 360 owners asked them over and over to do that?? What? I'll never use wireless for gaming, regardless if it's built in or not. It's not worth the loss. Thanks.
keep telling urself that deadman mb some day ull move out of ur parents basement and get a real job then u'll be able to buy the nice things in life.
This is incredible news for Xbox 360 enthusiasts everywhere, we will have the most powerful wireless system that is only possible thanks to the Xbox 360's award winning design architecture. This device will make the Xbox 360 the only choice for home entertainment enthusiasts everywhere who want the hottest device for their digital lifestyle.
"thanks to the Xbox 360's award winning design architecture" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG you are really funny
Zhuk has one of those comments where you don't need to put "/sarcasm" at the end...everyone just knows! One of the funniest comments I've seen in a while
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Ya i got a linksys 802.11n and it works perfectly with my 80GB ps3. They make it sound so great i will bet this thing will be at least $150. Personally i cant tell the difference between n and g wired or wireless i run wired with both my ps3 and 360 and i rarely ever lag.
n and g only effects wireless so you wouldn't see a difference there, and with an n router you would need an n reciever to see the benefits. eg. my n+ router sends out n,b and g, my ps3 gets the g signal and my laptop gets the n signal
haha yeah...if you have your ps3 and 360 wired to the router...it makes no difference what type of WLAN profile it supports... in case anyone was wondering...even the new slim is wireless G...not N, like originally rumored...and its still fine, as G speed supports streaming even at Blu Ray bandwidth (~roughly 30mbps for film content iirc)...N will not be required for a very long time...
This would've been news worthy if it was built into the 360's.
im not wasting another £60 for a n adapter. i dont see why msoft dont just add it in
Im suprised the PS3 Slim did not upspec to N. Hardware is cheap enough these days (though MS will make you believe otherwise im sure) Anyway you can get 802.11N for your 360 or PS3 now. Good quality Ethernet to Wifi N boxes out there if you look hard enough. All they need is once off setup from your PC to setup then just plug them into the ethernet port of your console and away you go. They act as a wireless link back to your router and your console does not know otherwise.
was only ratified recently. That's the reason why Sony didn't go with the N for the PS3 when it was released as the specs might change.
All past N devices can be upgraded via firmware to the latest N spec (and I assume the big companies knew this otherwise so many new devices would not have bothered putting in N hardware and waited for the final tick of approval which has taken forever). So really it is not an excuse. Even though N hardware has dropped in price drastically over the last 12 months g is still cheaper. Im guessing price was the reason ..selling the PS3 slim at $299 USD, every penny counts for Sony at the moment as im guessing they would be making next to nothing on each PS3 slim.
MacBooks Pro much older than PS3 Slim have "n"
There are USB Wireless N adapters at very cheap prices. It would just take an extension to the exisiting PS3 USB drivers to be compatible. This Netgear Wireless N USB 2.0 - $9.99!!! http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... There is a tricky way around it, but as I recall, you can use Microsoft's Wireless adapter & ONLY Microsoft's. (I think there was 1 Linksys made just for the 360...and nothing else works) I'd welcome this more if the price where not so unreasonable. Compare it to all these, many at 1/4 the price of Microsoft's : http://www.google.com/produ... What exactly is the justification for this vast overpricing? If it weren't for the cost of this adapter I'd already have another 360 next to my second PS3...Just build it in...OEM bulk costs on this is less than a dollar! (and please...I know SOMEONE is going to go on, and on...and ON about "just wire your house up with Cat5 or 6! It's Easy, and cheap!") ...and they either install for a living or are totally LYING. Drill walls, purchase hundreds of feet of Cat 5 or more expensive Cat 6, Fish wire, crawl in the dirt under your house, spend an entire weekend running cable all over...and still end up with a completely inflexible gaming setup. Oh, do you also need plans, zone approval & an inspection when your done? I don't know...but don't care too either. Bundle this with the new Elites, and end the "Doesn't include wireless" arguments now!
lol..you make the running a cat5 cable sound like a such hard work. Cat5 cable is cheap and you can buy it by the meter. You dont need 100s of feet (unless you live in a castle) you need 1 cable long enough to go from your modem to your Console(with a little slack) The fact that you can get under your house makes it even easier, and no you do not need council permission. I also can get under my house and I would say the last point I added took about 45min to do. Only thing that used to be remotely hard is terminating each end if you didnt know what your doing. But even that is easy with some of the sockets kits out there these days. A cat5 connection is alot more stable and alot faster than wi-fi. You can even just run 1 from your router to your TV then buy a cheap $15 switch to run as many devices you like at your TV. If you like I can go on and on and on =P
Because as I stated, someone claiming it's cheap & easy isn't really comparing wired & wireless technology at all! What your stating is how easy it is FOR YOU and that's the problem I've seen in every "wired or wireless" discussion. It's easy FOR YOU to run the cables, but what if in fact you do have a large home, or just turned your attic into a dedicated game room but your computers & Broadband are in your BASEMENT? If your not having networking cable lying all over your place on the way to it's destination, you can VERY easily use several hundred feet following walls, around baseboards or getting to a destination where you can drill holes & have enough access to reach your destination. What if the thought of plugging in a mere extension cord keeps you up at night with nightmares? What if you don't happen to have a drill, bits, studfinder (points to me) tools & fishtape to feed the wires through the wall? What if you have all that, but nobody handy to help you with the 2-person job of feeding wire through the wall? (or floor, or ceiling, etc.) What if you RENT, & you actually DO need to have signed permissions, and inspection & depending on where you live, may only be allowed to use licensed contractors? What if...when people discussed this topic they where HONEST about it, and that having a wired connection, and all the routing, setup & hassle that adds is not the 12 minute...did it blindfolded...walk in Ethernet paradise it's ALWAYS described as? Wireless is SIMPLE. Wireless WORKS. Wireless is all most people ever need. To simplify this to addition...add up the number of current game systems with it & without. There's a reason for that . . . . . . . The reason is -- I'm right.
You own a house and do not own a drill? Are you female? =P Lol..settle down sunshine I only wrote all that because you did not want someone posting it. (as you stated and Im not really sure why you started chatting about cable in reply to my post to begin with) Sure in some situations it is not easy but in a lot of cases its not the mammoth job you make it out to be(all weekend? really?). 100`s of feet of cable? for 1 cable run? . If the distance from your router to your console is such that it requires "100`s of feet of cable" then Im sure your wireless b/g built into your PS3/WII would not work too well at such distances...so you would need a cable anyway! I actually agree ..they should put wi-fi into it the 360 but Im glad they waited for a N adapter as its quicker, better range and less prone to interference. Maybe they will intergrate it into a new 360 SKU or the natal box. PS: Thanks for your reply in a PM as well...It was well..very 'kind' of you...(runs and hides from the scary stalker man )...
Where you got the idea I didn't want someone posting is your personal mystery to solve. I wouldn't comment on a topic publically because I'm NOT encouraging discussion on that topic. I didn't start chatting about cable I was talking about the new wireless adapter. The only thing I mentioned about a wired connection is that someone always shows up claiming EVERYONE can wire their consoles and homes -- how it's SOOooo easy a caveman can do it. Well, guess what...you showed up...So, guess how easy you claim it is. That's great FOR YOU, but as I have pointed out this is News4Gamers...that 'S' in GamerS is important...because it's the larger part of the community which for many of the reasons I have already outlined, aren't network infrastructure engineers, or inclined to start drilling holes, routing cables & mucking about in hyperspace. Your point of view seems very narrow, especially when applied to the entire gaming community...YOU did it, so everyone can? Everyone has a drill. Everyone can fish cable through walls. Everyone can take your 12 minute stroll through Ethernet land with a magical wand that gives them your skill, then sets it all up for them. You keep going on about "100`s of feet of cable" like that never happens. Route a 3-bedroom connection from one end to the other that you can't drill into or fish through walls. Happens ALL the time, and when your done measure the baseboards -- adding up the "100`s of feet of cable" -- get back to me on never needing that much. The reality is if in fact I'm pointing out valid, but worst-case setups and you are pointing out best-case, 15 minutes to networked Nirvana ...the truth's in the middle. That's STILL too hard for most people...not you...but most people who can easily enter a WPA2 key & are instantly connected...but aren't going to drill holes, fish cables through walls or any of the rest of that "super-easy happy network installer funtime" that simply doesn't exist for the rest of us. Also, there's this magic button just below your user name when you want to send messages to continue a discussion privately...it looks like this "PM" just so you don't mistake that built in N4G function that other gamers use here as a scary stalker man. If you really think sending a message on a topic is stalking...what are you doing on a site for news and gaming discussions, Sunshine?
Just like Blu-ray, 802.11n isnt really needed in todays consoles. But its a nice upgrade if you wanna stream 1080P movies from your 360 to your wireless HDTV.