Side-by-side video comparison of Forza Motorsport 2 and Project Gotham Racing 3 for the Xbox 360.
Just got through playing both demos have to see urban enviroments in forza2. PGR3's feel is not even in the same ball park as F2 we can do all the comparisons we want people want a Sim and next-gen is so much more than whatever this vids suppose to be proving. P Like i said just got thrpugh playing both Its funny they didn't even wait untill the game released to do comparisons at least do them with the same type of enviroments. The cars are not even close in visual quality; at least not on my 42" LCD, you would be lieing if you were to say that PGR3 had anything on Forza 2.
Well I own both games, PGR3 is really good....but so far the Forza2 demo is gettin some serious test time on my part, Forza's graphics in my opinion are a little better than PGR3, both games are eye catching on my 50" Sony plasma, although some cars/angles in Forza2 makes some cars look a little too shiny on the hoods but overall so far Forza2 is just a much deeper game. I mean you can't get away with sh!t in Forza2, you have to break correctly and steer your car through the turns without turning too hard or too little, there's just a slight margin of error, I know that's true for most racers but its done much more true to life in this game, really the physics of this game is just amazing and the damage is better than I first noticed. I guess the only concern I have now is the computer controlled cars AI...those f-kers are good, they are fast and I haven't seen them crash yet, except when I crash the bastards myself, uhm, wait a minute I guess AI cars rarely ever crash in any racer, but I want them to in this game!....-and just when I think victory is mine, here comes one of those dirty SB's smacking my bumper in a turn spinning me out into the abyss...err, well guess what, they haven't seen the last of me, I'm about to get back behind the wheel. -ha, ha my wife just asked me if she could try out Forza with my wireless wheel, -lol, I got to go, this is gonna be some funny sh!t!
[Edit] oh, BTW I'm going to take a pic, and show off my wheel and the game in action on my 50" HDTV...and one of my buddies is a welder,(cool guy) I had him over my house and showed him my wheel and the next day he made me a custom built steel table....all he asked that I let him know when I get Forza2. OK, OK Later.
Feral we're going to get you to 10 bubbles if it's the last thing we do.
Both look good.
Nice setup Pheonix. Hey, i hope you don`t drive from that position!!!! hehe.
Please please stop with the it looks good on my large lcd tv, sweet jesus does anyone care, if your manhood isn't up to scratch don't try and compensate it with a tv!!!!!
Personally visually i think car games have a responsibility to look good!!! I think so far (considering is only demo) forza is no where near as good as it should be, and as much as it pains me to say GTHD looks far better (oh i feel dirty) and personally PGR3 also looks a touch better, and i know that its about gameplay but graphics only seem to not matter when they are crap!!! Call me shallow but they matter to me! Anyhows will still love it coz the first Forza rocked but i truely hope it looks better than that when released!
Anyhows just gonna crack out my 14 inch black and white mono, bush tv!!! Let the good times roll!
Oh and anyone tries to claim i'm a sony fan boy and i crap in your ear!
i agree with you 100%! i dont care wich tv people have...i think they maybe need some attention!anyway,forza2 is very disappointing to me....the gameplay is good....but the graphics are bad..they simply look last-gen!and its not enough for me,i payed big bucks for the 360,and the games are now 10$ higher....so i wont accept half good games,i want good gameplay and good graphics
...and this is the comment section, right? where you are allowed to comment and post personal pics about anything videogame related, right? -lol, Deep & Antan I appreciate the comments, Thanks. oh, and Antan noooo I don't drive from that position, (unless I've had waaay to many beers) yeah I know you were j/k but seriously if I take the pic from the front all I get is glare so I did my best. Now as for Spunkmeyer and the Crystallake guy....many members of N4G share pic's all the time. I'm sorry you two didn't like my pic's, I had know idea that by me commenting, sharing ideas, and showing off my TV to other members (response directed to POG) means I'm trying to compensate for my manhood....they should put that next to the "Attach Images" button instead of "(optional)" in case we forget OR is it possible its you two who have some sort of complex? If you don't care, don't look, you don't have to click on "View Attach Images".... either way there's no reason to be "hateful" about it.
Now most importantly as far as Forza2 is concerned I disagree with you because IMO it looks great -far from "last gen", but like I said its not a huge leap over PGR3 but it does look slightly better and overall its just much better put together than PGR3. I'm not knocking PGR3 its still a great game but the Forza2 demo is even more fun IMO. Well they say opinions are like.....uhm, well you know, so we will have to agree to disagree. oh, and Spunkmeyer please don't "crap in my ear." -lol
wow man nice setup! i only have a 32" HDREADY tv, but then again i am only 18 lol, its nicely stuck up on my wall with my Xbox 360 under it =)
i tell you what, when i next see you posting your set up on a thread i will aswell =)
Dumb comparison. I love the demo.
PGR games all seem easy to me.
Will the FM2 demo hit the Wally Worlds and Target demo disc's?
looks the same
Forza 2 is 60 fps and PGR3 is 30 fps, you can't see from the video just like with Forza 1 vs Forza 2 the difference in framerate since this is being streamed at 30fps.
It takes twice as many polygons to run at 60fps, so this is a pointless comparison
"It takes twice as many polygons to run at 60fps, so this is a pointless comparison".
"It takes twice as many polygons to run at 60fps, so this is a pointless comparison".
best quote in a long time lol.
oops my bad, i meant twice as many polygons to run 60fps compared to 30 fps if using the same polygon models. blah blah
"oops my bad, i meant twice as many polygons to run 60fps compared to 30 fps if using the same polygon models. blah blah"
hehe...no the polygons are still the same. Antan can you explian the difference and why its harder to render at 60fps rather than 30fps.
It aint rocket science guys. The more you push, the more you display, its going to eat into your frame rate. Lots of little tricks can be applied to keep at a nice high rate, culling, reducing draw distance, lowering AA and AF levels, lower poly models, these are just basic things of course but would also mean using these methods would come at the sacrafice of overall gfx quality. Its kind of a balancing act really, also depends on how good the engine is under the hood. The fact Forza2 manages 60fps with 8 cars on track with the great draw distance and the fairly pretty gfx is a really good achievement. Forza3 i expect will still be 60fps, but also hoping 2yrs dev time will increase everything two fold, as you would expect.
Great looking graphics but don't the games sound bring out the atmosphere in most games? That's all I'm saying.
if your saying the Forza 2 demo lacks sound, then it must just be the internet vid, if you have played the demo like i have you will know the sounds it great =)
Couldn't tell by this footage, but I had a hunch after playing the Forza demo... Went back and looked at some old HD vids of PGR3 and Forza 2, and I can't believe it, but honestly, PGR3 looks better. Not sure why, but it might have to do with the lack of motion blur. For whatever reason, the Forza 2 demo doesn't seem to have it (or maybe I'm just missing something)
mellowspaz-- Not sure if that's right, but if it IS the 60 fps that's causing the graphics to disappoint, then what the heck were the developers thinking??? (I have the F2 demo on an HDtv) PGR3 was a good game, but of its problems, none were caused by it being 30 fps. So why (supposedly) downgrade Forza 2's graphics just to reach 60? It doesn't make any sense!
I would MUCH rather have a game with eye-popping visuals, than a game with a fractionally distinguishable improvement to smoothness.
pg3 has highly detailed cityscapes with a lot going on... forza2 has better car models but the backgrounds are sparse. visually pg3 looks initially superior due to the busy backgrounds i believe.
i haven`t played forza 2.
but if your comparing it to a game that came out a year and a half ago.
the Forza 2 is disappointing.
but like i said i haven`t played it yet.
the graphics are stunning. initially i had it on at my house on my rubbish non high def tv and yes it looks like forza 1. however i took it over to my bros hd plasma and WOW stunning very sharp and precise.
i have to say the decision to go 60 fps is a very good decision its just so smooth and instantaneous.
Much crisper than pgr3. can't wait to start modding/painting my garage.
see it in hd on a decent tv and you will be convinced.
i think the 60 fps on some lcd's may not be that good however because of their lack of motion tracking ability.
Played it day before on my 50" SONY HDTV at 1080i using component cables and its still not as impressive as PGR3.
I have to admit that the graphics didn't impress me in the demo either. However the gameplay made up for it so easily. I don't care about the graphics any longer, just give me the game. (And just to keep up with the Jones's i played it on a 50" HD Lg Plasma ;) )
Yeah I agree with everyone who is saying the graphics aren't outstanding, but they are definitely a little better than pgr3 and it really is a pointless comparo as PGR3 is such an arcade racer, not bad, just different. Just from playing the Forza2 demo and of course knowing about all the crazy features turn10 will have implemented to the final game, I can tell that there is tons of depth to this and I am more than ever looking forwards to purchasing it when it comes out!
PGR3 holds up extremely well to FM2. PGR3 is a fantastic ARCADE racer with some slick visuals. Ok, the trees look average but everything else looks fantastic. Lets not forget that PGR3 was a release title on the 360.
When I played the FM2 demo I did not feel like I was playing a truly next gen-title in the visuals dept. The reflections were crap (they feature pop up and you can't see other cars in them), the damage modeling was average (hit objects head on and it results in the same damage and sand blasted effect on the paint job - oh, and why don't pieces that fall of the car deform when you drive over them????), no in-car views, average particle effects (given there is no wind why does smoke disappear like it was steam?).
FM2 looks like it would be a solid game but to me, I think the 360 could have been pushed a lot harder to produce some truly next gen visuals.
i find it very funny that some people are happy with half-good games...forza2 looks last-gen...even if its 60fps,300+cars,cars get damage...it still look bad!theres absolutly nothing great graphic wise...i really hate to say that but in my opinion..even gran turismo 3 and 4 looks better than forza2...i hate that because forza1 was my favorite racing game and i was waiting for forza2...and man,i am disappointed when you consider the 360's power,the game should look at least like gran turismoHD!!and before somebody says something like i'm a sony fanboys..well no i'm not,i am a gamer,i love good games and i dont care if its from sony,microsoft or nintendo...all i want to say is theres no reason for me to spend 60$ on a game that dont offer me the hole package!good gameplay,lame graphics...not for me
If you don't think its worth the purchase, thats your choice, frankly I just get the impression you like the GT series or another racer better. -There's nothing wrong with that and doesn't make you a fanboy but theres no way GT on the PS2 looks better than Forza2 and again IMO it looks better than PGR3, its a matter of choice...and you keep making it clear that you are not a Sonyfanboy, which I haven't seen anyone accuse you of being but whats even funnier is that you keep posting about this game on this thread and others even though its clear you don't like the game...from my experience people who like something talk/comment about it alot (me)...people who don't usually just comment once and try to avoid/forget about it (you)...so why the need to tell us so much that you don't like this game?...Is there something else bothering you? I'm sure you would much rather be talking about some other racing games that you are more impressed with, right?
You cant be serious, anyhow check the new Nurburgring video I posted.
It as much more polished than the demo. If you still think GT 3 looks better...well I don't know how to help you man!
EDIT: Not you Feral, I totally agree with you.
i have had MANY hours of FUN gameplay on PGR3, and the same can be said for Forza 2 demo (except not as many hours lol) but i dont think they should be comparing a demo to an end game, or is it just me?
I have to say that PGR3 actually has the better camera angles to offer, plus it does look somewhat similar to Forza2 which is the newer of the two games. It's only in the lighting that they differ, Forza2 has that forced-lighting look onto the streets/cars while PGR3 has the more natural feel. Have'nt played Forza2 yet, so I can't comment on the physics - but from all the stuff that have been posted here seems to say is that is has the more realistic set-up and it also has more cars and a lot of extra features - ( modding/tweaking/personalizing ). But have to admit for a new game it does have last-generation graphics which is quite dissapointing. I'll rent this game first before considering...
Yes, I was disappointed with the graphics because I had expected a bigger leap from PGR3. But if you love driving, this is the game for you. The driving mechanics on the demo speak for themselves that this is a great great driving simulator. Once you start playing the game rather than just seeing it, the gameplay really overwhelms the graphics. I may not have pushed an RX8, DC5 or Scooby as hard in real life, but taking a bend RWD, FWD and AWD in game feels just about right.
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