Why the PS3 slim won't kill the Xbox 360

Neocrisis.com writes: "Many have cited the new PS3 slim as the end for the Xbox 360, and the day Sony starts gaining lost ground. Can the PS3 slim save Sony in this generation and can they claw back second place? The internet has been full of debate regarding this subject, but every argument and discussion on every board doesn't take into account how Microsoft will respond."

[ultimolu]

But Sony stands a good chance of moving to second place.

[coolirisGB]

LOL how is that? and when in 2016. The 360 would have to stop selling period(not one console) for PS3 to catch up this generation.

[Mr Sandman]

Why would you say that when MS has a strategy for 2010...Plus the 360 is still selling well.

[fishd]

Can't consoles just live together, you know happily?!

[deadreckoning666]

cooliris is right. 360 would have to stop selling over 20,000 consoles a month for Sony to win in console sales.....UNLESS Sony throws the biggest marketing campaign the videogame industry has ever seen.If things stay the way they are now, then Sony has a chance to take second place sometime next year, but undoubtedly M$ will do somethg to ensure that doesn't happen.

@z-hayden-Well, we don't know when this generation of consoles will end exactly. For all we know Microsoft can announce the 720(or what ever the hell there gunna call it) next year and it'll feature hardcore games with Natal support. We really don't know.

Edit- Dude, if were talking long term like 8 years down the line. Then yes, the PS3 will be outselling the 360 by a wide margin. However, I thk MOST determine the sales winner as "whoever sells the most consoles UNTIL the NEXT next-gen consoles come out".

So the PS3 WILL be outselling the 360 5 years down the line, but it WON'T outsell the 360 before the next batch of new consoles come out. Ya kno wat I mean.

[SnuggleBandit]

We're still in the second quarter people, it ain't even halftime

Do you determine the winner by who wins at the end or who is leading by halftime? I doubt that either the 360 or the ps3 will win (WII) but we are still a long way off from determining second place. The ps3 will be supported for over ten years, while who knows about the 360, knowing microsoft they will cut support for it so that their fanbase will be forced to buy another console in order to play new games...it just boggles my mind that the 360 fans can't see how many damn ways that microsoft has screwed them over this gen.

^^ya thats pretty much what i'm saying...by the time sony stops manufacturing the ps3 it will be ahead of the 360...but honestly i think that it will pull ahead of the 360 well before that period

[SaberEdge]

I'm not going to say it is impossible, but the odds are against it. Microsoft WILL have moves of its own to make and unless the PS3 starts outselling the 360 by a huge margin it won't be able to catch up anytime soon.

Remember, the 360 has been outselling the PS3 in North America (the biggest market) by over 100,000 a month lately. Not only is it going to have to catch up, but then it would have to also outsell the 360 by a large number in order to catch up. Then, even if it catches up to the 360, does that mean that the 360 is dead? No, it would simply mean that we have two equal competitors in the market. So, no, the PS3 slim will in no way kill the 360. Not even close.

[foxtheory]

...but you gotta admit, Sony will probably do better now than they did before. I don't think it will "kill" the 360, but I do believe it can catch up to it.

We'll just have to wait and see...

[StayHigh]

sony only behind 7 million they can easily catch up..they got japan and europe we will see soon enough

[Trollimite]

i just want things to go back to normal! before the whole fanboy war! i really hope this gen ends in a tie! so nobody wins, and next gen wont suck!

[Cold 2000]

"but every argument and discussion on every board doesn't take into account how Microsoft will respond."

That is so true.

But it goes both ways.

I think the PS3, if things stay the way it is now, will catch up in a 2012 at the best. 8 million isnt nothing !

BUT that is IF things dont change. We all know things will change, for MS and Sony. Natal will be huge for the 360 if MS execute the whole idea right. That alone will change the whole situation again.

I see each console alternating every year. One year the PS3 on top, the next 360 and so on.

[RememberThe357]

I'm with you on that. This little fanboy war is getting pretty petty. I don't want either console to fail, their is plenty of room for both.

[Mike134nl]

Even then there is the matter how low Microsoft is prepared to go in their pricing.

[InfectedDK]

Why this and why that.. This is one endless road of hate..
Btw. Sony PS3 is the BOMB. Period :)

[SoapShoes]

Funny how people are so sure about PS3 not catching up. Most people saying that it could aren't saying it will(aside from fanboys).

People have been waiting to purchase a PS3, they have not been waiting to purchase a 360 when it is already $200 and won't be dropping below $200 for awhile.

PS3 is already #2 in Japan and Europe.

[CWMR]

-LOL why are some people are acting like now that the slim has come out that the 360 is going to basically stop selling a single console and the ps3 is just going to gobble up the market to itself? I genuinely hope the PS3 does well. The slim and price cut was a good move by Sony.

BTW, Xbox 360 is the BOMB. Period :) I love my 360.-

[Above Awesome]

I don't know if the Slim will kill the 360 but it will be more competition for sure. New hardware no matter what it is will spur new sales. Collectors, enthusiasts, and fence sitters all jump on new hardware. Take iPods for an example.

Really, I just think the price drop for the Fat PS3 will spur sales alone.

The price drop of the Elite will also spur 360 sales, I don't know how many people want the black 360, the 120GB hard drive would be a plus.

I'm really liking the holiday season this year.

I'm thinking the PS3 Slim will outsell the 360 by a reasonable number but not a lot. I'm saying maybe 70k max.

[tonsoffun]

I'm sorry, but what difference it makes if the PS3 goes to number 2 or if the 360 manages to hold onto it?

At the end of the day, both consoles have great games and we shouldn't be wasting our time trolling and flaming each other about sales and which console is better. Neither company is going out of business if they come 3rd. Both will do well.

The PS3 IMO, has been needing a price cut in order to make it a more mainstream console and as such sales should rise significantly because of it. BUT only if Sony market the hell out of it. This is the one thing about sony, they don't market their games/system (well over here anyway). Spend some decent cash on touting the price drop and they will sell like hotcakes. But again it matters not because the PS3 was a great console (IMO worth the money I spent on release day) prior to the slim.

Play the games people! Not the fanboy nonsense.

[jammy_70]

know more then them writers

[SoapShoes]

Um no one is saying the 360 will just stop selling, they are saying that the PS3 could catch up. The wii easily caught up and surpassed the 8 million that the 360 already had by 2006, only a fool would write something off like this. I can see being skeptical because this would be a huge challenge, but impossible it is not.

[Above Awesome]

The PS3 Slim is definitely not going to sell as much as the Wii did at launch, absolutely not. The Wii was actually sold out in my city, (London, Ontario, Canada) for literally a year after release.

That is mindboggling. Seriously.

[SoapShoes]

Just damn... You try to type here and people misconstrue your whole point. I never said it would sell as well as the Wii. PERIOD. I just said the Wii could do it, the PS3 can too possibly. Notice how I didn't put a time frame on it? Maybe you haven't noticed but the Wii has sold a lot more than 8 million so I'm not saying the Slim will sell 50 million just like that. No.

[ShabzS]

... as good of a year as the ps 3 has had in 2009 ... 2010 seems to be just as good for the 360 ... i'll gaurantee you one thing ... it'll take 1 or 2 more 2009's for ps3 to fully break the 360 lead... but 2010 for 360 will not be the same as 2009... its shaping up to be a killer year

urgh but honestly i'm done with this console war bullsh*t...

[raztad]

LOL

Xbox doesnt need the Slim for that, RROD is doing a pretty good job.

On a more serious note, I expect the Slim outsells the xbox from now on. Consistently. Will it be able to surmount the one year difference between both? I dont know, but what is relevant to me is that the PS3 is a force to reckon and developers will need to step up and produce more and better games.

BTW, when this gen is over? everybody but me seems to know that

[INehalemEXI]

I could be wrong but I think the ps3 will do a 100 million+ sold or more before its no longer supported, if the wii or 360 reach that mark its because they too stuck with there console for more then 3-5 years. Which if that happens you can thank Sony for setting the trend of the 10 year lifecycle.

When each console has such a vast install base its good because it shows the industry is large enough to sustain 3 consoles for such a long time whilst having next gen consoles overlap and that this 1 console future BS is just that BS.

you can take your disagree and shove it up your ___ all in your ___. I am calling it 100+ milli b4 its all said and done. I could be wrong though in which case you should take that disagree out of your ___.

[Above Awesome]

Nice stealth edit, I stand by my post, even if it no longer has any context and makes no sense anymore.

Well, with your new point, the answer is simply, no. If the Wii did it, it does not mean the PS3 Slim will do it. There is no correlation with the userbase interested in the Wii and the userbase interested with the PS3.

The Wii was featured on Oprah, let me repeat that, OPRAH. It interested pretty much all demographics, even demographics that most people would never believe would buy the gaming console, mainly, seniors. No console except for the Wii could have done that.

Now talking about the PS3 Slim sales, Yes, it will outsell the Xbox 360, and I expect it to outsell it well into 2010.

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*From this point on, this is me rambling about motion controls and Natal

*

The Wii simplified gaming through the use of motion controls, letting older people and younger people to play. This is the train of thought that Microsoft is following with Natal, instead of having motion controllers, have no controllers and make it even more simpler for more demographics.

This is precisely why I think Natal will be popular. Natal is not just a webcam, it's a controller within itself. I haven't seen anything you could do with Natal you could do with an ordinary webcam.

So in summary of this:

If your products appear on Oprah, people WILL buy it. Example: Snuggies, those backwards sweaters you wear when you're cold. Google it.

[starvinbull]

This article assumes that everything Sony do M$ will also do.

One thing M$ won't do is keep much of the exclusive gaming content they have paid for. GTAIV DLC content is all but confirmed for PS3, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and even die hard Live titles like Castle Crashers and Braid are on their way to PSN.

Another is that they won't publish a game on a par with Uncharted 2 or God of War 3. I am not too arrogant to make rash statements but the fact is if they were making or funding anything on a par with either of those games they'd have said so by now. If those two games are to be exceeded by 360 titles this year then it will be either Splinter Cell or ODST that have the best shots. I'm not hopefull where those games are concerned.

Finally something M$ won't do is see their console pushed any harder than was done in Gears of War 2. ODST won't do it, Splinter Cell won't do it and Mass Effect 2 won't do it. I'd personally be quite happy to see a second wave of titles that push the console but with ODST confirmed to run at a sub HD resolution, Mass Effect 2 using the unreal engine 3 as will Gears of War 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction it looks like more of the same for the time being.

[masterg]

Lets do some math.
The 360 has been outselling the PS3 by 100000 or so per month in the US in the last year.
Yet the 360 has only outsold the PS3 be small margins worldwide.
Meaning the PS3 is outselling the 360 by close to the same number outside the US.
Now what happens if the PS3 starts to outsell the 360 in the US by 100000 (a shift of 200000 units) per month and excels outside also.

Well then we are looking at a gab of 300000-400000 per month (3.5-5 million per year). I'm not saying that that is what is going to happen. I'm just saying the numbers can shift drastically.

It's also important to remember that as the prices in general goes down the month to month numbers go up. Meaning any shift is worth much more now and in the future than it would have been a year ago.

[Boody-Bandit]

The majority of N4G members are either 360, PS3 fans or both. Neither one of these consoles is in 1st place and I don't think it's far fetched to say it doesn't look like either will be. So why does it matter which place either Sony or MS are currently in or where they will end up when all is said and done?

It's the arguing over crap like this as to why the gaming media has turned into complete and utter garbage! We are fueling it by arguing over sales (VGChartz, NPD, etc), reviews, pixel counts (Lensoftruth, digitalfoundry, etc), and your console is doomed (</insert nearly any garbage blog here>).

We are not going to get better media coverage if we keep fanning the flames of garbage like this. What happened to the times when gamers could care less what a game is rated, how it sells, what resolution it runs at, or what hardware it runs on or developer created it? All they use to care about is the games plain and simple!

[All Time Greatness]

Yea ,in the year 2016. Maybe. Maybe not, lol there are many moves to still be made...I know extreme Sony fans would love to believe this 100$ pricecut will now catapault Sony into second place in a couple years, but if you go look at how much Sony would have to win by every month, it's just not going to happen.

And when MS reveals their 360 slim next year with Halo: Reach, Natal and their massive advertising campaign....they are going to make Sony's little announcement look amateurish. There are moves that will still be made, only the foolish and over-excited believe a 300$ machine can win something with cheaper and more popular competition.

[Jaces]

Consoles can, fanboys can't.

Besides, the slim was never ment to kill anything.

[Anon1974]

Check it out. From 2007 till present the PS3 has sold over a million consoles more worldwide then the 360. The notion that the PS3 is struggling to keep up to the Xbox 360 is blatantly false, easy to look up and verify and it continues to amaze me that journalists still continue to act like this isn't happening.

And if Sony hits their targets this year, which they most likely will with the price cut and the slim, that will have eaten into the 360's lead from it's early launch by 2-3 million consoles. That only leaves a couple million left to make up in 2010, which should be relatively straight forward unless the 360 receives another price cut next year, but so far the $200 price cut boost was relatively short lived. A good Christmas season and now suddenly the 360 has it's worst sales quarter in 2 years.

[slayorofgods]

I've never heard that the PS3 slim is going to "kill" the 360 off?? That sounds about as stupid as the saying Sony is close to going out of business and the PS3 is doomed.

[a_squirrel]

They are in second place you dummy =]

Oh, and at all you microsoft fannies, there will NOT be and XBOX360 slim. The problem is the hardware (I wanna know what happened to the slim powerbrick... while the xbox360 needs that space.

Xbox 360 slim = FAIL

[FF7numbaone]

Willing to bet ps3 out last 360 by years.

[ThanatosDMC]

::reads title::

Ummm... cuz it's all ready dead???

[commodore64]

I have to (partly) agree with Ultimolu on that one.
The Slim does have a good chance of moving to second place!
HOWEVER, the 360 also has a good chance of keeping the ps3 in third place.

If we assume that, potentially, the ps3 DOES move to second place, we must also ask the question of *how long* will this take.

If it catches up only by 2012, then no-one will care.
2012 is too late.
The 360 will have been on the market for 7 years by then.

We must also remember that this 2012 timeframe necessitates 3 straight years of ps3 outselling the 360 by 200k+ units a MONTH, on average, EVERY single month!
Whoa.
That's a big ask, in anyone's language.

Don't forget, the ps3 has only caught up 1-2 million skus so far, overall!
It is still behind by about 8 million.
In fact, until about a week ago, this number was growing daily.

If Sony achieves record sales this holiday season, maybe the gap will narrow to about 5 million. (maybe)

Problem is, after this price drop AND the release of the slim, i fear Sony is spent. The ps3 slim is likely LOSING money and MS will counter with massive Natal advertising and their own pricecut... if not this year, then next year.
That's just common sense.

This countermove by MS will once again shift the sales battle in their favour - or at least to breakeven!

So yeah... is it too late for ps3 second place?
Is Ultimolu dreaming of a hollow victory?
Is Darkride66 lost in Sony fanboy fantasy again?
You tell me.

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

PS3 : "I'll let RROD kill 360s then." XD

[Ashriel]

This is one of the few times I agree with you xD

[Lightsaber]

god I hope not cause I'm soooooooooooooo not giving my 360 mouth to mouth if it dies oh sept 1.

maybe on sept 2nd tho

[Kornholic]

Xbox 360 kills itself by RROD so there's no need for Sony to bother killing that overpriced DVD player

[Anon1974]

I agree with him that the Slim has the potential to move Sony into second place (again, remembering that it's only the 360's year head start that has them in third. They've outsold the 360 since they launched worldwide in 2007).
However, I don't see 360 sales being the one to keep the PS3 in 3rd as it hasn't been able to outsell the PS3 yet since the PS3 launched, why would we suddenly think it'll outsell the PS3 now that the PS3 has lowered it's price?
And, let's look at the estimates we've seen so far. At the start of 2007, the 360 had a lead of 8.62 million consoles. The PS3's worldwide launch hit in March of 2007 and since then the PS3 has matched and outsold the 360, bringing the 360's lead down to 7.56 million. So, if both the PS3 and 360 hit their expected targets this year, the 360's lead should be knocked back to about 5 million consoles. So, in 2011, all that has to happen for the PS3 to overtake the 360 is for 360 sales to stay the same and the PS3 to continue to grow at the rate we're seeing now.

Of course, there are any number of factors that could affect this. If we saw another price cut from either company between now and 2011, that could change everything.

Now, as for Sony losing money on the PS3, there's zero evidence to support that. Sony's Network division may have posted a loss recently, but that could have been R&D, that could have been notebooks, it could have been money spent developing the Slim or PSP Go, we simply don't know. What we do know is that when PS3 sales were up last year at the same time, the Games division was posting profits. Now sales are down, profits are down. It doesn't take a genius to put forth the theory that "Hey, when PS3 sales are up, profits are up. That must mean the PS3 makes a profit."

Quite the contrast to Microsoft. 360 sales go up, revenue goes up, yet profits go down to the point that MS Entertainment has been in the red the past 6 months again. Usually when sales go up, profits go up. The opposite seems to be happening with the 360. What do you suppose that means?

[coolirisGB]

Why would it? people buy the 360 for it's industry support(Developers and other companies), games, features, online support, services, superior multi platform games. People wan't the 360.

[Sunny_D]

Empty shelves at store retailers and #1 on amazon the world's largest online retailer says otherwise.

[dustgavin]

^^^
That is very true. When was the last time you witnessed a 360 surge of sales like that!

Microsoft is going to bail on the 360 just like they did with the first system.

[StayHigh]

superior multiplatform games?? u got to be joking..lol..developers did have problem with the ps3 but not anymore..and rage final fantasy viii is all coming to the 360 on 3 disks or more..psn is really close to live and it will keep on evolving..

[CWMR]

-Even recent comparisons I have done have mostly shown the 360 versions still pulling out ahead. Lens of Truth and Digital Foundry have also shown the 360 version doing better in general.-

[Above Awesome]

Soooo... The PS3 Slim comes out and the 360 crashes completely and forces Microsoft to pull out of the console race?

Sounds about right.....?

[thor]

Well regarding the "superior multiplatform games" issue... if you look at all the cases where the 360 'wins' you'll see that in most categories the games are equal.. but the PS3 version has some slight screen-tearing or something. Making it black and white as they do ignores the fact that 99% of multiplatform games are indistinguishable unless you're actually comparing side-by-side.

The reason they look better on 360 is because it has a better graphics card... end of story... but that's not to say that the PS3 isn't capable of better graphics, because it is. The fact that some games have slightly less screen tearing is NOT a reason to buy a 360 over a PS3... especially when many people won't even notice it.

[masterg]

"Superior multi-platform".
Please visit metacritic.com and wise up.

[Pistolero]

But I do notice it...and I have noticed it ever since I got both systems. You can try to downplay it all you want but the difference for me has often been significant....definitely more significant than the difference between DVD and Bluray...and people care about that.

What is the difference between DVD and Bluray?...well it's basically higher resolution, richness of colors and better contrast...and when comparing multiplatform games I have seen all of those things and more. Just the difference between anti-aliasing and no anti-aliasing is an important difference that really impacts the visual quality of a game. But when one game has better anti-aliasing, a more solid frame rate, less screen tearing, more contrast and richer colors...I would say that is a pretty big difference.

[mastiffchild]

The article is based on BS though as I've seen NOBODY say the Slim would "kill" the 360. Some, in fact possibly more, have actually said it's too little too late.

So it's a response to something that wasn't ever asked or stated as far as I can tell so this is pretty much just cheerleading and stories don't need pom-poms. All the Slim shows is that Sony aren't giving up any time soon and that there's still a battle for second place in this gens sales war.

As for the quality of multi plats across the two platforms-these days the differences aren't noticable without actual study and come nowhere near being a deciding fact for anyone above things like controller preference. All the LoT articles do these days(except in the rare case like G'busters where the dev has ballsed it right up)is provide a talking point for fanboys. The last time I chose a 360 version over a PS3 one was The Orange Box as since then any difference was so slight that I could revert to choosing the controller I prefer as iot's a far bigger issue than the miniscule things these comparisons drag out to provide a winner.

[TintedEyes2]

sorry but at the new price

[Klipz-Wish]

Why does somebody have to die?

[GlowingPotato]

I don't want to kill anyone...

just same installed base... than i can always have the best games!
and publisher won more money too!

[FlipMode]

With all the new price and Sony starting a new advertising campaign they got enough to move to second place

[coolirisGB]

Don't you ever log off? no matter when I come here no matter what day you're always in some 360 related article spewing your pro Sony BS.

[FlipMode]

except I'm not trolling, but you always troll ps3 articles.

@below they said they are planning to but they are already starting in japan

[kissmeimgreek]

i dont know what your talking about. i havent seen a single advertisement for the slim and if its anything like how they usually advertise... well it wont end well.

if theyre going to advertise it extensively then i hope they dont try those stupid stupid earlier ps3 ads where it was like this big scary black thing that looked like it was only for the hardcore. that kinda advertisement doesnt work well when you try to crack the casual market.

[StayHigh]

@cool you must be on this site 24/7 too..lol..dont be a ps3 hater just because we speak the truth..

[IcyJoker187]

Things are looking bleak for M$

[Stryfeno2]

Looking bleak? Just because MS never have their strategy leaked early doesn't mean they don't have nothing up their sleeve.

[Sunny_D]

What is it Patch? Don't tell me, you think Microsoft are going to release a slim version. First, they have to fix their hardware before they can actually make a mini oven. If they do, it just shows Microsoft's desperation with a price cut on the same day as the PS3 slim and copying with their slim design. Sony is the company that has made slim products mainstream to the consumers.

[Upbeat]

if they release a 360 slim or whatever it really would make the paint on my walls boil

[dustgavin]

Microsoft bailed on the first Xbox. what makes people think they will not do the same with 360? Sony has always supported every system they have released.

Ps3 is going to be around much longer than the Wii or 360.

[SaberEdge]

They're known for it just because they did it with the Xbox? If you don't understand the reasons behind doing that and why things are different this time I don't know what to tell you.

I think the PS3 and the Xbox 360 will be here for a long time to come. However, that doesn't mean that Sony and Microsoft will not come out with new consoles at some point to co-exist along side the current consoles. 2011 I would say, at the earliest.

[kaz-hirai]

Looks as if alot of chatboxes are getting defensive ;-D

Whats the matter you worried about losing 2nd place ? ;-D !!!!!!!!!!

[Wakka_]

^Sir Ken Kutaragi's alt.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Droids have been making predictions (wishes) of getting out of last place for 3yrs now :D

[kagon01]

_

[The Almighty PS3rd]

lol Little PSturds are on a roll! Sad little sore loser droids. ahahahaha

[Kill Crow]

Is only for fat people ...

[HemDroid]

Is already dead

[Sunny_D]

54.2% of them, lol

[erik cartman]

cant we all just get along

[SaberEdge]

I agree. Both consoles have something to offer.

[frnkyl]

not with Jews you won't

[aiphanes]

Why all the hate? Everybody wanted the PS3 to be cheaper...but when it happend and the system was smaller and cooler looking and had the latest 45nm chips and still did everything the old 80 Gb PS3 Fat did...the haters got scared..

Microsoft was sleeping at the wheel...just like Nintendo is....Sony just woke up and is about to kick some console bootie!

Don't forget there is a big update to HOME (to version 1.3) and Firmware 3.0 in september also...

Its gonna be a good Xmax season for Sony.......and even Microsoft if they can wake up...

[Kushan]

I wouldn't call this article hate against the PS3, it's more defending the 360 from hate.

Also...

"Microsoft was sleeping at the wheel"

How so? Care to elaborate on that statement a little bit? So far Microsoft seems to have done well, considering that for the last 2 generations Sony was on top without question. I'm not saying Microsoft > Sony, I'm simply saying that for someone complaining about hate against the PS3, you're not exactly helping your case with statements like this.

[frnkyl]

They'll always find a reason to hate the PS3... -_-

[Light Yagami]

^^Quit whining.

[frnkyl]

Sure at the same time you quit trolling :P

[pure pwnage24]

just because it won't get killed, doesn't mean it won't be left on the side of the road to die

[Omega4]

Of course it wont, Sony just better hope they close the gap significantly before MS brings out a slim cause once GT5 and GOW3 are out Sony wont have anymore system sellers left for random sale boosts

[Campy da Camper]

You sure about that? Will it come with its own air conditioning box to keep it from melting like a forgotten candle all down your entertainment center?

[FlipMode]

You just don't understand that no one is waiting for a 360 price cut/redesign a 360 slim wont have the impact that the ps3 slim is having.

[Omega4]

@Campy da Camper
If they made a slim is would be completely different inside and likely 100% reliable MS would have obviously learnt their lesson

@FlipMode
Well theres still a bunch of PS2 owners who dont have a HD console and since GT5 and GOW3 are the last franchise exclusive to the PS3 loads of them could easily come over to the 360 after those games release

[Mike134nl]

For that matter a redesign (slim) for Microsoft might have a bigger impact than expected.

Simply by making a slim version a new xbox360 design might distance itself from the dreaded red light issue.

Also I do wonder if a smaller console would appeal more to the mass audience they are trying to reach (when looking at the wii).

[mrv321]

100% reliable, the 360 has a 54% failure rate.

100% is stupidly high for reliability.

And the 360 will have all the great exclusives after GT5 and GOW 3? Sony have 20 first party companies microsoft has 3. After GT5 and GOW 3 Sony have allready announced Angent and FF14(MULTIPLAT but no 360)

Last franchise exclusive I doubt it, RATCHET AND CLANK, RATCHET AND CLANK been on PS2 and now EXCLUSIVE on PS3... THE LAST GUARDIAN also.

[silvacrest]

i dont get your logic

why would fence sitters wait for GOW3 and GT5 before getting a 360?
if they were gonne get a 360 they would have done so already

[hakis86]

the journalist fixes it! MAN I get dizzy just by looking at it :S Ever heard of separating the text?

It's gonna be exciting to watch the sales in the coming months though.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Holy block of text Batman. Why bother reading over 1000 words from an article that is clearly written by someone who is delusional.

[SaberEdge]

Why is he delusional? Because he doesn't believe that the PS3 will "kill" the Xbox 360?

I think the delusional ones are the ones that think the PS3 will kill off the 360, and the ones that would even want the 360 to be killed off in the first place.
I can't stand you extremists. Both consoles have something to offer.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Why would you assume that I think the PS3 will kill the 360? Kill is a strong word. Outsell it from here on out is more like it. If you don't agree with me then just agree to disagree, but the numbers will speak for themselves. Perhaps we can chat a year from now and discuss this.

[SaberEdge]

Yeah, see you in a year.

[2FootYard]

The whole "death of console" talk is f***ing ridiculous. I guess a console could've have been killed off at the start of a generation but its way too damn late now.

[silvacrest]

this article fails to realise that the 360 is already really cheap
at some point price does not matter any more (with the 360s other SKUs i think it has already come)

while on the other had the PS3 has always been "the expensive one" so with a price cut and a slim version to spark consumer interest its more likly to sell more then an even cheaper 360

[Avenged Sevenfold]

All these articles are getting annoying. Just shows how the journalists are being bias and insecure. They just can't bare to watch their console of choice fail. Who approves this garbage anyway.

[SaberEdge]

So now an article that argues why the PS3 slim won't "kill" the 360 are seen as a slight against the PS3? Wow, am I in the twilight zone?

[Cold 2000]

You see how crazy they are ?

Its because of "harmless" articles like this by someone who simply doesnt believe that the 360 will drop off from tomorrow that they are convinced there is a worldwide conspiracy against the PS3.

Its crazy...

[Mo0eY]

Why the PS3 slim won't kill the Xbox 360...

Because the Xbox 360s will RRoD before the PS3 Slim sales take effect.

[Etseix]

its not that necessary :/

xbox kills itself every single month with a RBOD (red bullet of death)
and coustomers are happy,

even if xbox is not goin down, this is a huge moment for Sony, theyll get a LOT of people goin from ps2 to ps3 now.

[Pistolero]

Hardy har har..you ps3 boys are so funny.

[Etseix]

postolero@

is open zone, since when this zone is serious? lol

[Kushan]

Every single time anything remotely interesting happens within the industry, people are ready to spout that company X is about to kill console Y.
Guess what, people, it'll take more than one massively great move to outrightly kill any competition here. The Slim? Yeah, great move by Sony, I expect the PS3 to be absolutely flying off the shelves now, but do you really think that Microsoft is going to sit back and go "Whelp! That's us! Time to throw in the towel!"?
No, Microsoft can still easily drop the price of the 360 any time they like. Hell, they're probably keeping the elite at $300 just to see how well it does against the PS3 at the same price. If it looks like the Slim is going to consistently outsell it, they'll just drop the price a bit more. Plus, there's already 30million 360's out there, even if the PS3 outsold the 360 by 2:1, it'd still take a couple of years just to match it and as we've seen every year so far, anything can happen over the course of 12 months.
So just sit back and enjoy the ride, it's Microsoft's move and it'll be interesting to see what move they make.

[thewhoopimen]

MS has realistically one move. Another price drop. Its already done that.
Natal isn't ready. It doesn't have the games to back up the technology yet.
Short of some fantastic exclusive coming out, MS has played out their hand.

Its all about how Sony responds now.

Oh wait, I forget MS has TONS of Sony PR bashers. Like right now and the last couple of days. Funny how they come out only during huge Sony announcements.

[Kushan]

So wait, people bashing the PS3 are the direct result of Microsoft, but all the articles bashing the 360 have nothing to do with Sony?
Why does everything have to be some major conspiracy?

And as for what Microsoft could do, don't underestimate them. Hell, look at Nintendo, even now nobody takes them seriously yet they're making more money than anyone else.
Microsoft can do a lot of things:

Price drops
Bundle deals
Better bundles (HDD with every console?)
Drop Live subscription charges
add more live services (ala Facebook and Twitter)

When it comes to the games, I genuinely believe that you can't go wrong with either system. Both the 360 and PS3 have some fantastic games out there and since we're talking about NEW console sales, brand new titles alone don't matter, you have to look at the whole catalogue. Plus, both do have some great games coming out over the next few months, well into next year. Anyone playing the "no good games" card, for either system, must be living under a rock.

[Consoldtobots]

while I do commend you for a more balanced approach to posting.........
the MS fanboy in you still shines through. IMO MS is in NO position for a price cut as it would make their quaterly report from that division go from WTF? to OMG!. Their profits off the 360 were WAYYYYY down this year from 08 numbers and its all due to the price cut. To somehow think they can afford to keep ahead of Sony with price alone is ludicrous.

The PS3 Slim is here with the best exclusives in the industry and the largest first party studio support at $299. NO amount of MS strategy or pricecuts will change that. Let the games begin.

[Arnon]

Why do people who are pro-Sony continue to say "exclusives, exclusives, exclusives", when none of them are remotely helping the sales of the PS3 console itself?

I have literally... and I mean this by swearing it, not heard of anyone buying the PS3 for "exclusive: A" or "exclusive: B", except for maybe Gran Turismo. I hear:

Call of Duty
Grand Theft Auto
Oblivion
Fallout

and other various multiplatform games. If you can actually pull up an article saying that the exclusives of the Playstation 3 are the major shift to it's sales, then I will eat my words. Yes of course, the hardcore will adore the exclusives, but the casual will maybe... just maybe give a couple of them a second glance.

[Kushan]

"IMO MS is in NO position for a price cut as it would make their quaterly report from that division go from WTF? to OMG!. Their profits off the 360 were WAYYYYY down this year from 08 numbers and its all due to the price cut."

And that's different from Sony how?

[eagle21]

The 360 hit the market in 2005. The Wii and PS3 hit in 2006 and PS3 hit Europe March 2007. Wii trampled 360 in a year with 360 falling to distant second. Meanwhile PS3 is the third fastest selling home console after ps2 and Wii and has never been $299 until LAST WEEK. PS3 is selling out and tuesday will launch the Slim. 360 is scared and should be. That's where all these dumb articles are originating from: FEAR.

I don't care about "killing" but 360 WILL BE THIRD when it's all said and done.

[free3sixty]

VGchartz:

USA 360 > PS3
EUR 360 > PS3
JPN 360 > PS3 (LOL)

But PS3retards still think the ps3 sells on par with 360 even in Europa, LOL. Droids dont even mention Japan cause they KNOW that when the 360 was below 10k they said that MSFTs console is dead there and now the PS3 sells under 10k SINCE MONTHS!

No slim will help sony.. the design looks crap, the price is WAY to high. And what sales show us, the casual consumer really dont cares about sonys new no-name ips.

MS has 50% RROD? ppl dont care! Ownage!
SOny dropped the price by 50% in only 2 years.. PURE OWNAGE and frustration! I hope they wont sell more as the 360 (they need 200k per month more to be ON PAR with 360 sales, LOOOOOOL) so they Sony can RIP their console.

Just get it fuktards pos3fanboys at every forums all over the world.. you are so frustrated thatthe only think you can do is to spam in EVERY FORUM about how bad the 360 is.. but still.. the 360 DESTROYS the PS3 with 54% RROD and no games (like you tards say)

oh.. shouldnt the pos3 kill the 360 in its first year? you all predicted that didnt you? YOu also predicted that the graphics would be WAY better? og wait.. you got only 2 games out of 600 right now that look great but you mention them in really EVERY FUKEN topic.

PURE frustration.
Poor tards
Not even Grand Suck 5 will help Sony.

[Sunny_D]

When you stop making a wall of text that seems like a 5 year old wrote and you actually have sense of grammar, then I MIGHT consider reading that pile of sh!T.

[Wakka_]

^You're just scared of facts, ya?

[MGOelite]

listen to me both of you idiots in europe the ps3 is leading by 1 million ps3s even though the 360 had a 18 month lead

microsoft 9 million 360s: http://www.edge-online.com/...

sony 10 million ps3: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

owned you dirty redneck, get your facts striaght before you start b!tching, these are the real facts provided by both sony and microsoft

[MGOelite]

how can i get a disagree lol what i provided was facts from both sony and microsoft lol. man bots are pathetic

lol at the bots in denial about sales ( there only agender)

[digger18]

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/n...

[MGOelite]

digger you idiot you know you cant use logic and facts against bots....

[eagle21]

Japan wouldn't even take a shi! on a 360. EU doesn't care about 360 and america needed price relief. 360 is pure crap, and BORZA 3 and ODST won't win GOTY.

[LUCKYXS7LEVEN]

well i guess am a droid because im smarter then a bot sense we can regenerate n bots well...........no so much sense there the 1st ones to cry when something goes right or wrong . in whatever case i just chose a ps3 bcuz i want my IQ to stay in the Normal lvl, instead of the "OMGZ HALO RISE IS TEH BOMBS OH YEE#%^%$@WS" or " IT's TEH COOLS OUR CONDOLLES IS SHOWING TEH HEAT BCUZ IM TEH GAMRS" oh crap reading some hill bille comments from 360 fan dropped my IQ....back to infamous ( Original ) HALO /GEAR ( not so much )

[free3sixty]

well iam not an english boy.. but you fuken american should support the american industry and not buying these crap from japan which sells like SH!t!

[Sunny_D]

So, you're not American? Yet, you act more patriotic than some of these bots here. Hmmm, have you ever seen some of these racist comments from these bots? They don't care for anyone, but America. Nice support there. PS fans support each other, no matter what.

[CWMR]

Give me a break. I see far more America-bashing on this site than any other type of hate.

[falcon]

we don't support badly made products. as consumers we want quality. if it comes from a american company, that would be great, but this is not the case with video game consoles.

[Sibs]

You can only kill a person, not a piece of hardware..

Neither Sony nor Microsoft is going anywhere anytime soon.

[keysy420]

the ps3 hasn't sold because of price now that the price is right look for them to take on the wii in overall sales blu ray will attract people like wii waggle controls

[DonnieDarko]

The Sony fanboys have been let off their leash, trolling so bad it's starting to hurt.

I own all 3 consoles, I'm a gamer not a fanboy. I truly believe the blind PS3 and 360 fanboys that refuse to own the other console are just not true gamers, sure the 360 fails a lot, sure the PS3 has been overpriced and lacking great games till 09, but now both consoles have a lot to offer.

I agree that the PS3 slim priced at the same price as the elite is the better purchase, but people talk about needing a bluray player in the 360 so it is the same spec, people also talk about wireless.

But what about cross game chat? The 360 has done this since 2005, shall we now factor in a cell phone into pricing up a PS3 to make sure it can compete with 360 on that level? Lets face it, if your friend is on COD and you're on unchartered and you fancy a chat, you NEED TO CALL HIM OR USE A PC!! Cross game chat isnt essential, nor is bluray, but people when pricing both consoles always throw in ....bu bu bu bu bu HD DVD DRIVE $100. Wifi $80.

Shall we also now factor in a stereo system for the PS3 so you can listen to your own music whilst playing a game? What would be the costs of the PS3 if it had to keep up with all the non game related things the 360 can do? Let's not even discuss the fact that you have to buy a headset as well, not included in any PS3 bundle as far as im aware.

Bluray isnt essential for a 360 gamer because their console uses DVD for games, Wifi is laggy and not the optimal connection to the net so being a 360 and PS3 owner although I have WIFI on PS3 I make the effort to wire my connection to achieve the best possible result

Seriously im new to the site, but PirateThom and Morganfell have caught my eye as some seriously bad trollers. Surely you guys should just live and let live?> we get it, the 360 RROD's, we get it - GT5 is the best!! WOOHOO!!

Before I get accused of not having a PS3 and 360 here are my ID's

DougyMac (PS3)

Judge Grudge (360)

The Judge (wii)

Now everyone just chill out because at the end of the day you dont get the best gaming experience unless you have both 360 and PS3, and if either of your consoles misses out on features then the other one makes up for it!!!

[thereapersson]

AFAIK, I've seen articles from BOTH sides of the fence. How about you quit pointing the blame solely on PS3 fanboys and look at the bigger picture?

If you ask me, this whole mess is getting old, FAST.

edit:

Oh, I see, you're new to this website. Well, I can excuse you somewhat, then...

[CWMR]

-No, it's totally lopsided. The PS3 fanboys are far more prone to jumping in 360 articles and spamming it with trollish comments than 360 fanboys. Sure, some 360 fanboys do it too, but not nearly to the same degree. Things aren't always equal. Sometimes there are major differences between the way different groups behave.-

[Double Toasted]

outnumber the other console's fans. I mean it did sell over 100 million consoles...so yeah those people are going to defend their console. I don't like it but thats the reality...shh, here they come.

[Projekt7tuning]

@ DonnieDarko. I have tried to get your main point across so many times on this site, but it always seems to fall on deaf ears. Why not own both. Sony dropped the price $100 bucks. thats awesome. now a 360 owner can get one easer. Microsoft in all likelihood will put a hard drive in the arcade model or drop the price even more, which would be awesome too. that way a PS3 owner can get a 360 as well. Why sell yourself short and not own both of them? That way you don't miss out on anything. F this stupid corporate loyalty. Sony nor Microsoft is paying you. Be a gamer and enjoy the 2 systems.

[pippoppow]

How about why not own a gaming PC or Wii also. Why not own all platforms? The reason I will not touch a 360 is because MS has lost me as a consumer due to shady business practices. I cannot support them due to principle. People who don't own any one platform will miss out on those exclusives, so what. I haven't played every game that has ever come out that was considered good to great and I doubt most have. The very few true exclusives the 360 has I can live without. MS has earned the ire of gamers and are reaping what they have sowed. Knowingly selling bad hardware and paying for a peer to peer online service (free everywhere else) should not and will not be tolerated by many like myself. This has nothing to do with fanboyism because if Sony did the same I'd be pissed at them and I did support MS last gen. Not everything is company loyalty based.

[Projekt7tuning]

@pippoppow I have had my xbox 360 replaced 2 times for free. I bought a launch ps3, and recently the bluray laser went out guess what? I was forced to pay $150 to fix it, yet I paid twice the amount of the 360 for the ps3. The customer support from MS always was nice and just sent me a box. Pain in the ass, yes but I got it back fixed. The sony reps made me want to take a life, and its 2hrs of time I will never get back. but after paying $150 I can use my bluray player. Now look at my past comments, I own a badass sli computer, and a wii. So what. I like being able to play any game I wan,t and not be tied to one system. If I knew how far the price was going to fall for my launch PS3 I would have waited for quit a wile. there were not may good game the first 2 years any way. also knowing how bad they treat customers I may have reconsider the purchase as well. but I want to b e able to play exclusive. So please don't act like Microsoft is the only one out there screwing people.

[el zorro]

Except you are being a hypocrite. Sony has done some unsavory things as well. The rootkit fiasco was an invasion of privacy and a huge violation of trust that upset millions of consumers. Then there were the exploding batteries, PS2 failures, do I need to go on?

You are just the typical Microsoft-basher with your double standards.

The RROD problems were unfortunate for anybody that experienced them, but at least Microsoft did the right thing and provided a 3 year warranty coverage for said problems. When my PS2 died last generation did Sony care or did they do anything to help get me back to gaming? No, I was stuck with a broken console and no money to fix it. I eventually got an Xbox and have been happy ever since.

The point is, neither company is perfect and I think it is hypocritical to hold things against one company while completely overlooking the faults of the other company.

[Projekt7tuning]

@el zorro bubble for you.

[Harry190]

don't have limbs which they can use to attack each other?

Ooops, maybe they can shoot lasers. Silly me.

[thereapersson]

The PS3 Slim and price drop announcement has shaken up the world of journalism like nothing else in recent memory. Now all you see are "Too little, too late for Sony"; "The PS3 Slim will dominate this holiday season"; "Why the PS3 Slim doesn't matter"; "How the PS3 Slim will win the console war"; and on and on and on.

All this flip-flopping hypocrisy is getting redundant and ridiculous.

[KoB4EMvPi]

Why the PS3 vs 360 console war is killing Gaming should be a good article for someone to post.

[cyclindk]

RRoD will kill your 360 before Slim does... bada bing! Goodnight everybody...

[free3sixty]

I remember Sony saying that the Playtstaion brand would kill the 360 in its 1st year, also in terms of graphics.

Well 2 games out of 600 look better right now, lol!

well.. not even the exclusives help right now.

The only frustrated company right now is Sony.. cutting the price by 50% in only 2 years.

You must agree ps3 fanboys that the whole dream sony had 2 years ago didnt come true.

[RegalPrince]

I feel the PS3 slim and price cut will move alot of PS3's over the next 6-8 months. These consoles have been out over 4-5 years now and the people who wanted either one of them have them. Microsoft and Sony are going to start targeting the people who dont have either and havent decided on what to get. IN THE END....its going to come down to games, features, and MOST IMPORTANTLY price. The average soccer mom is going to give a crap about a blu ray player for her child, Shes gonna buy whats cheaper and what currently has the better games (for her child).

In order for Sony to catch up is to ADVERTISE. I blame the PS3's slow success on advertising. Sometimes i forget that there is a playstation 3 because its nowhere around. Microsoft has marketed there console very well.

Evetnually Sony MIGHT catch up, but by then everyone would have moved on.

[free3sixty]

"listen to me both of you idiots in europe the ps3 is leading by 1 million ps3s even though the 360 had a 18 month lead "

lol, so the PS3 sold most in europe for 599 euro?? you just owned yourself HARD.

360 has an 18 month lead in sales, rofl! europeans dont care about sonys 50% cheaper now-> POS3.

EDIT: Uncharted2 preoders in NA around 70k compared to MW2 850k and HAlo3:ODST 750k... its like i said.. ppl dont care about some new ips, MS got all they wanted, SYSTEMSELLER. Only ppl who can talk about exclusives which ppl all over the world dont care are sonys midgets.

[kws1065]

Anyway, if PS3 sells like hot cake in Japan (about 50k for a week), it won't take long time to catch up or surpass the cumulative sales of 360. Let's wait and see.

Speaking of price cut, MS won't have such card since they already have 199 option. If people wanted it for low cost, they already bought it. Of course, MS can cut the Arcade price down to 149. But other than that...I don't think it works well.

[free3sixty]

YOu feel and believe sonys lies since 2 years.. hell wake up.

YOu got a price cut by 200 USD nothing helped.
YOu got more exclusives and nothing helped!
The PS3 is 1 Million ahoead in europe but since 18 months the 360 outsells the ps3 in europe..so??

The ps3 sold BEST at a 599 EURO price tag.. = fanboys!

[kws1065]

It goes from "super-expensive (600 bucks)" to "expensive (400 bucks)."

In Europe, PS3 outsells 360 until MS cuts its price by 100 bucks.

None of the exclusive other than MGS4 helped and I agree. But Sony exclusives, except GT series, has never helped console sales since PS2 (Ratchet, Jack, Sly Cooper and etc.).

This time is little different since it goes from "expensive" to "moderate (300 bucks)", similar to any other conoles.

Edit: Oh, I forgot to put this down. Since 100 euro is cut and the price difference between 360 and PS3 becomes the same as the first half of the last year, PS3 will soon surpass the sales of 360 in Europe. I don't know about US. US loves Halo so much lol.

[cyclindk]

360 had a year head start and Sony is/was ahead in Europe!!! That's pathetic! PS3 shouldn't be anywhere near 360's numbers... thanks for letting everyone know how badly the 360 does everywhere but the US even WITH a head start - that's what I WOULD have said if I wanted to decimate you, but I won't, for now...

[Socrates]

With Sony's massive domination the past two generations the 360 shouldn't be ahead at all, right? It all comes down to how you want to look at it. Sony went from being far out in first place the past two gens and now they are sitting in 3rd place. Spin that however you want, but that is the reality.

The Dreamcast coming out before the PS2 didn't stop the PS2 from utterly dominating it, so quit using that as an excuse for why the 360 is ahead of the PS3. You don't maintain that kind of lead just by coming out first.

[cyclindk]

Point one, having a console on market 1 year ahead of the competition is an almost incalculable advantage over other consoles.

"With Sony's massive domination the past two generations the 360 shouldn't be ahead at all, right?"

What do you mean "right?," no NOT RIGHT! Why "right?" Tell me how that's at all logical. Popularity in past generations will somehow dictate sales of a console that has no competitor on the market and is a US company which is the ONLY territory where it can be said that Micro truly dominates?

"Sony went from being far out in first place the past two gens and now they are sitting in 3rd place. Spin that however you want, but that is the reality."

Simple, where did I "spin" anything you ignoramus?!

"The Dreamcast coming out before the PS2 didn't stop the PS2 from utterly dominating it, so quit using that as an excuse for why the 360 is ahead of the PS3. You don't maintain that kind of lead just by coming out first."

Exactly my point! The 360 ISN'T maintaining its lead and hasn't been since the PS3 (or Wii) came to market!!! Jesus, the difference between PS3 and 360 numbers are less than 7 million.

Here are the figures rounded:

Micro - 31 million

Sony - 24 million

(Dreamcast and Sony were two Japanese companies vying for power in the same market, a fact which I'm sure you wouldn't choose to include in your argument about Micro) there are so many factors that you simply DO NOT include in your argument that it invalidates itself.

The gap has closed within 7 million units with Microsoft consistently at a lower price point, year head start and left out the fact that Sony has two other consoles they are supporting?! (alternatives for the customer)

Notice, I've attended to each of your, faulty, points and did not feel the need to do, as you did, and attempt to suggest you "spun" any of your points... logic in the face of idiocy always prevails, but this is usually when idiocy picks up a stick and beats logic to a bloody pulp for embarrassing him.

[cpt_kaos]

People in the Gamer Zone keep saying the PS3 Slim wont kill the 360... SH!T who cares as the 360 is doing a good enough job killing itself literally.

I've had 4 for the console heavens above.

Even that nut Greenburg or what ever his name is has been less hostile towards Sony in his comments recently and well you think he be one of the guys in MS who really knows the true figures on how the 360 is doing when you deduct the multiple replacements and get not such a gigantic lead like all xbots hold onto with there last breath.

It's over Bots raise the white flag and hope 3rd time lucky really happens unless of course MS don't learn from there mistakes and release another dud.

[CWMR]

-"I've had 4 for the console heavens above."
Sure you have. Do you think anyone believes you? You have been a ps3 fanboy on this site for a long time.

And if the 360 has sold so many replacements then why does the 360 still spank the ps3 in game sales? If the installed base is really smaller then the 360 is doing an even more impressive job of moving games than we thought. Can't seem to get your story straight can you?-

[The_Zeitgeist]

Opinions are like butt-holes. Everyone has one.

[free3sixty]

"n Europe, PS3 outsells 360 until MS cuts its price by 100 bucks. "

You didnt look on sales charts, did you?

360 outsells the ps3 since 18 months in europe.. not much but it outsells sonys console.

[kws1065]

Between the release time of GT5P and MGS4, PS3 surpassed 360 in Europe. It keeps on going until MS cut its price worldwide around 100 euros or bucks in September 2008 and then around December 2008, Christmas, 360 outsells PS3, again.

[Envy27]

Happy with my free online. Thank you very much.
I do have a 360, but its only for Single player games.
Cant wait for alan wake.
Both systems have their pro's and con's.
Who cares which one you have, just go play some games.

[callahan09]

Who cares whether the 360 or PS3 comes in second place. It's completely irrelevant. Do both consoles have a large library of fun games and a laundry list of useful features for entertainment purposes? Yeah, yeah they do, and that's all that matters.

[TheTruth89]

ahhaha DVD CAPABLE 360°C MINI-FURNACE is already died.

Chatbots are in "Crazy Alert Mode" since the First Day of GamesCom 09
POOR

[STRAIGHTASL]

blah blah blah...this article is bored! PS3 Slim rocks! 360 RRoD!

[-Mezzo-]

No console will Kill the other, but 1 console will take the lead and perform much better then the other, PS3 yeah thats the Console.

[CWMR]

-Out of the two consoles, one is already in the lead and the other has yet to do as well. The future is still unwritten. I wouldn't be so sure if I was you.-

[Halo_Reach]

Ps3rd will still in 3rd.

And Halo Reach hasnt come yet...

[Envy27]

Forgive him, for he dosnt know :(

[weazel]

Halo Reach-around?

[Allowen]

I belive that the next 6 months from now the PS3 sales will go to heaven not just because of the price drop on the console but expecialy because the great games that are coming exclusive to the Ps3 on that time.

$300 dolars is not cheap but if the PS3 really starts to destroy the competition in salles then both Xbox360 and Wii will have to cost at least $100 cheaper then the Sony's console to make it really worth.

That is why I don't think that Microsoft will take its best SKU 360 and sell it for $250 instead $300 because it will not reflect much in salles and they might lose a lot money on that.

Microsoft and Nintendo will wait I belive the incoming months and see what strategy they need to make to counter attack Sony.

[Socomer 1979]

Lead? What lead? Xbox360 leads in repair or replace consoles as sold.
Ps3 already ate the year & half lead in just 2 years.

It's O-V-E-R !
Slim ps3's will be in cars !

360 will pull out & discontinue thier garbage soon.
After natal, m$ will have sold thier last game.
See I'm psychic too. Casual masses will beg for a ps3 for the bluray & the lightsaber motion controls!
Over! 360 just doesn't have the games. Over.

We will embrace the casual crowd & wow them. Xbox360 will dissapoint the casual crowd & rrod them.
Figure it out: OVER!

[Blow Out Your Brains]

If everyone could afford both consoles and all exclusives people would quit whining

[i3eyond the Circle]

Xbox 360 has an appeal towards a larger crowd and has product placement.

Wal Mart commercials, Gillete Commercials, Madden Challenge TV tournament, Athletes and Music artists displaying there fun on Xbox360's.

When the average consumer sees that it clicks a part in the brain making it look like the 360 is the console of choice.

Especially youth. Xbox Live is by far more user friendly then the PsN and youth like connectivity and socializing which is why Xbox Live is constantly raising the bar on its service.

I've said this before.

Xbox Live alone is what will keep its lead over the Ps3.

Not exclusives, not motion controllers, but Xbox Live. It is to compelling and has a domino effect like no other.

Sony has loyal followers from the previous generation which most likely keeps the Ps3 sales alive.

Xbox360 sales are now from new consumers who have never owned an Original Xbox.

Didn't sales stop for it at 25million? Where are Xbox360 sales now? Isn't considerably higher than the originals and still manages to outsell the Ps3 in NA and key countries in EU?

Remember the 90million+ Ps2 owners that were waiting for the Ps3 price to be a sweet 299$?

Lets hope they still exist or this article might as well be based off of fact.

[CharlesDCI]

The Slim won't kill the 360, but from here on out you will see a spike in PS3 sales. Its something that Xbots don't want to admit at all to themselves.

360 will sell just like normal, unfortunately the 360 doesn't have system selling franchises, just a few franchises that sell well to its demographic. Halo is a perfect example. Halo will not make someone buy a 360 if they never played the game or had it before. Most of the people playing it now have been playing it since the X-Box.

Natal won't sell systems either, no matter how MS tries to act like its a revolution. We all know it isn't and frankly consumers off the street won't care all to much for it either. Hardcore 360 fans will buy it though and that is about it.

MS doesn't have anything that will draw people outside of the 30 million to its system. Sony actually has 3 draws that will

1. Multiple System Selling Franchises: I'm not taking about games that sell in the millions, I'm talking about games that people want to own the system for. GT5 alone will sell a lot of PS3s in Europe.

2. A brand name that was established 15 years ago. Believe me, lots of people were waiting for a affordable PS3. The Slim also gave the Playstation name a reboot of sorts. Now its like it was just released for the first time. People are hyped over it which makes a difference.

3. Features and reliability: The PS3 has more features and is more reliable. I'm sure Sony will remind you of this once they start to market the Slim. I'm sure retailers (the ones who aren't biased)will help with the reminders as well.

Like I said before, the 360 will sell like it normally does. The PS3 however will see sell more systems then they have before. Its really just that simple. I understand lots of people want the Sony name to fail, but they have been doing this for way to long.

[Pizzagaki]

Ummm yeah, 360 doesnt have multi million franchises, it only got Gears, Halo, Fable, Splinter cell, Alan wake, Blue dragon, Forza and whatever new franchises Natal will bring.
Rare should be delivering some new franchises sooner or later too, they cant keep making games like banjo, MS wont allow it.

Did you know the games i mentioned outsell almost the entire games franchise library of Sony ?

[Pistolero]

The part about system sellers was completely off base...the PS3 has had few system sellers...only MGS4 could be said to have moved PS3s. The 360 has quite a few big franchises that entice new buyers.

[Consoldtobots]

no I think The Gran Turismo series has sold more than all of MS' exclusives combined. zing

[Pizzagaki]

Sony got the slim.
But MS got 2010, Lots of games will come out in 2010 that will lure more player to the 360.
Games like Alan wake, Halo Reach, Fable 3, Natal games, Mass effect 2, Splinter cell, and who knows what more.

Also, 2009 is the year of the new ps3, but 2010 is the year of the new 360, when it comes pre equiped with natal.

[devilhunterx]

There can be only one.

(lops xb2 head off)

[Pizzagaki]

Your bubble count is dropping, looks like its actually you who is losing his head.

[clintos59]

The reason I say this is because FACT is nintendo wii has already proven it can DEMOLISH the 360 in sales with a $250 price tag. If the wii is able to accomplish this with an INFERIOR HARDWARE & INFERIOR LIBRARY OF GAMES & is still outselling the 360 in most territories DESPITE the 360 having a $199 sku in the market which is cheaper then the wii, then what makes u BELIEVE the ps3 CANT do the same?

Because the last time I remember sony was the ONLY COMPANY that managed to sell 100 million + consoles with their first 2 playstation consoles & the psp is half way to 100 million handhelds sold. Are u really tring to CONVINCE YOURSELF that sony wont be able to repeat this trend with the ps3?

Stop kidding yourselves. The ps3 will outsell the 360 from now on starting september and I wouldnt be suprised if it also outselled it this month aswell. The playstation brand is a MONSTER & ill see u all when the september numbers come out. Witness what NAME BRAND & a $299 price can do for u.

[Pizzagaki]

Bad comparison, the Wii hails the social gaming audience.
If Natal can attract these customers to the 360, then the 360 will demolish the wii, cause it already got 30 million hardcore's, and got a good chance of adding another 40 million casuals.

And even if the ps3 starts selling twice as much as the 360 globally from september 1, then itl still take 4 years to catch up.
But you and i both know that the current gen is over in 2013.

And in before the 360 had a headstart, its about who finishes the race first, not who starts it.

[Tone]

Your a fanny btw!

[super x]

cooliris is right. 360 would have to stop selling over 20,000 consoles a month for Sony to win in console sales.....UNLESS Sony throws the biggest marketing campaign the videogame industry has ever seen.If things stay the way they are now, then Sony has a chance to take second place sometime next year, but undoubtedly M$ will do somethg to ensure that doesn't happen.

@z-hayden-Well, we don't know when this generation of consoles will end exactly. For all we know Microsoft can announce the 720(or what ever the hell there gunna call it) next year and it'll feature hardcore games with Natal support. We really don't know.

Edit- Dude, if were talking long term like 8 years down the line. Then yes, the PS3 will be outselling the 360 by a wide margin. However, I thk MOST determine the sales winner as "whoever sells the most consoles UNTIL the NEXT next-gen consoles come out".

So the PS3 WILL be outselling the 360 5 years down the line, but it WON'T outsell the 360 before the next batch of new consoles come out. Ya kno wat I mean.

[Pizzagaki]

Indeed, it surprises me that so many sony boys thing that MS will just remain dead in the water and wont do anything to counter sony.

They also seem to forget that MS comes with a new 360 next year, one with build in Natal.

[Socomer 1979]

All my game news since the announcement of slim ps3 has been flooded by xbox360 tears.
Why must they keep crying? Why do they want so much recognition? Why can't they just focus on themselves & stop crying about what Sony is doing all the time?

When will they stop crying about Sony ?
We know you all look up to Sony & really want Sony to acknowledge you by name but we made a deal with Sony.
If they made our online free we the fans will fck you 360 biotches sideways day & day out. I think were doing a good job don't cha think?

[el zorro]

Hey buddy, you keep telling yourself that. Keep your chin up and don't let yourself be confused by the facts. Sony is counting on you.

[N4G king]

the ps3 in not wining
the 360 is not wining

ITS THE F*CKING WII

i dont know why evry one act like his console won
and its over
its far from over

[Game13a13y]

people who are saying 360 has to stop selling in order for PS3 to catch up is dilusional. remember how 360 has a one year headstart ahead of PS3 and the Wii? and remember how Wii sales overpassed it in 2 years? and so if its possible for the Wii, what makes you think its not possible for the PS3?

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Horrible analogy. The ps3 is not the wii.

[el zorro]

The ps3 is not the Wii and also the 360 had sold only around 5 million at the time the Wii came out, now the 360 has an 8 million lead over the ps3, so that is even more ground to cover to catch up to the 360. So, probably not gonna happen.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

The 360 has always been selling well. Nothing is going to kill the 360. And the ps3 will not take second place. Open your eyes fanboys. It's nearly impossible. The ps3 slim seems to be a last desperate attempt by Sony. 2010 is just around the corner and the 360 looks to have the best year in gaming EVER with huge releases like Halo Reach, Alan Wake, Gears 3, Splinter Cell, Fable 3, Mass Effect 2, etc...

[etownone]

the ps3 slim is an amazing value.....

But it all comes down to the games.
And the best selling exclusive will be HALO: odst
the best selling game will be MW2, and it will sell millions more on the 360
and then there is the the DLC to the best selling and highest rated game this gen on both PS3/360, GTA4, coming exclusive to the 360 that will also be on retail shelves.

People want a 360 for the games and because most of their friends probably already have one

the 360 is superior at multiplat games.
LIVE is superior to the PSN
the 360

[Headshot81]

I just dont like MS. All companies try to take advantage of comsumers, but MS really thicks me off. I wouldn't buy another 360(had one,i think it was 2006). They dont fix their sh!t . We have too many f@cken dumbasses who are buying 2-3 xbox's so when one gets rrod'ed, they can keep on gaming. Now why would MS fix a console when they know they will loose all that extra $sales$ from the additional xboxes these f@cken dumbasses are buying. They wont provide us with one functional xbox. That was my main problem with MS and their cutomers. If you only got one, dont buy another, well its actually already too late. No offense again, this isn't directed at the people who boought a 360, its directed only towards MS.

[CharlesDCI]

@ Pizzagaki

Your wrong. The Gran Turismo franchise alone outsells every single one of them and 5 isn't even out yet. None of those games you mentioned people off the street are waiting for, and that was my original point.

Its not that PS fans think that the 360 wont sell, it just that you seem to think that everyone is waiting for a reason to buy one. With a year head start, most people who wanted a 360 already got one. It's not like anything is keeping people from getting a 360, especially with its price tag.

Now this is for the fanboys. Try coming out of your room and follow the trends of society. Lots of people have been waiting for an affordable PS3, and that is because 150 million people owned a PS2.
Lets just say that in 2 years time (I'm being generous here with the time frame) 1/2 of PS2 owners buy the Slim (75 million). That means that in 2011, Sony would of sold 98 million consoles. I'm not saying they will, but because of a strong brand name they certainly have the potential too. That is what MS and X-Bots are afraid of.

Even a quarter of PS2 owners buying the slim means a substantial jump in the install base of the PS3. Sony definitely has the content to keep them happy as well. MS does not have those kind of numbers they can attempt to draw from, and the product isn't strong enough to draw in those numbers from the outside.

[Pizzagaki]

Why do you think i said almost the entire franchise library, instead of the entire.

Besides, Halo is catching up big time, selling more units per iterations averagely then GT does.
With ODST and Reach coming in the near future, Halo is bound to become the number one franchise, it will someday even destroy Mario.

[Barragan]

who gets agrees and who gets disagrees i can tell the site is more xbox and pc than playstation or nintendo

[Henry Cain]

I think anything is can happen. There are still a lot of people who have PS2. Which means now that the price has drop on the PS3, people might be willing to buy one. There are 140 million PS2s out there. 31 million 360, 23 million PS3, and 50 million Wii's. Which means there are still a lot people with PS2s itching to move into the next gen of consoles.

[ElementX]

Now 360 owners will be more likely to buy a PS3 and own both systems.

[QuackPot]

Sony didnt take M$ and competition that seriously and just stuck to their normal plans.

The moment the xbox entered gaming, Sony should have realize M$ was ultimately intending to MONOPOLIZED game consoles as the have monopolized Operating Systems on PC. M$ needed to be dealt a lethal blow so that they'd leave for good.

Sony was fortunate with the price, games and brand loyalty of the Ps2 to force M$ to end support for the xbox early - even though it was the more powerful machine.

But the moment they knew M$ would be returning with an xbox 360, Sony should have done what was necessary to kill the 360 just as fast.

This meant releasing a cheap DVD only Ps3(Not BC) at the same time as the 360 - as well as sorting out rumble and developing a Playmote,

But that didn't happen. Instead they gave M$ a year head start to establish itself and the Wii simply took off with its unique controller and gameplay.

Sony then failed to cut their price again once M$ cut theirs, further establishing the 360 brand and base.

So in summary: The 360 won't be killed this gen by the slim or any other means. M$ is here to stay now and will likely return with 720 - continuing its plan to monopolize game consoles.

Too bad Sony. You had your chance. But you might get lucky and M$ will pull out again in two years....NOT!

[Socrates]

Psst! I'll let you in on a little secret, every company would love to have the market to themselves. If you think the higher-ups at Sony or Nintendo (not to mention their shareholders) wouldn't love to have their console be the only one in the market, you are simply wrong.

The thing is, it is extremely difficult to even come near having such success. You have to do an exceptional job and basically do everything better than all of your competitors to ever achieve it. And even if you were to get there, it is just as hard to maintain that position. The moment you stop doing a good job there will be a market opening that other enterprising companies can take advantage of and consumers will move to the newer, better product.

This is why we have never had a complete monopoly in the gaming industry and, almost certainly, never will.

[Barragan]

you shouldnt be so fast to say what this new ps3 wont do, it could come back to bite ya in da a--

[Socrates]

Sure, I agree with that. But I don't think it is unreasonable to come to conclusions about what you think it is likely to do. I think it is unlikely the PS3 will catch up to the 360 before the start of the next generation. I do think it has a good chance of narrowing the gap to some degree. All consoles are doing well in any case, so I don't think anybody should fret.

[xxBATTLECATxx]

no one is gonna kill anyone.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Even rrod didn't kill off 360 sales. Yet a slimmer version of a existing console is supposed to? Btch Please!

[kraze07]

"Even rrod didn't kill off 360 sales," but it did kill off a bunch of 360s, which people kept buying more of everytime they got the rrod.

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

I couldn't agree more!

I also own a pc,360,and wii.

A PS3?????

Not needed this gen.

[cpt_kaos]

12.1

Boo hoo call me a PS3 fanboy as much as ya like buddy but if crappy hardware breaking down on ya all the time is your thing then have fun.

Oh maybe I dig up my serial numbers for ya so u never know u could have one of my refurbished units sitting in your living room.

Or if ya so desperate for me to convince you that Ive been there done that with the 360 ill give you my xbl id so u can add me since u can check these requests by the xbox site i can see all this stuff still.

LOL maybe some people just don't have the patience to deal with replacing console after console.

[leeger]

the PS3 won't kill the 360, the 360 won't kill the PS3

[madpuppy]

I would have redesigned the 360 and fixed EVERYTHING that is WRONG with it. They run their console business Like they run their OS business, ship a flawed product and try to patch it later. the only problem is "patching" hardware requires a redesign not a firmware update. so it tends to cost allot more.

What's worse is the 360 owners that keep replacing broken consoles ad nauseum like a child that keeps touching a hot stove thinking that the results are going to be different this time.

[MorganX]

That says a lot abut Xbox Live!, Gears, Halo, and XBLA.

Plus, Microsoft did a great job extendign the warranty and paying for shipping along with great tracking and customer service. Any budding Business Administrators should study how they handled it.

Having said that, I would like a 360 Slim that is as quiet as the PS3. I have a dedicated Blu-ray player that bitstreams (slim a little too late for me) but it would still be nice to have Blu-ray in the 360 with HD Audio like the PS3.

HD Netflix has reduced my Blu-ray use to only movies I own though.

[Quikchicken_Fly]

360 is great but i wonder how long it will live since its older than the ps3 but its still fighting like snake

from a ps3 fanboy

your online intensity will never be forgotten...never

[Scary69]

I want to see all these articles slamming the PS3 come Christmas time.

[Lawliet]

Here is how Xbox360 could still hold some ground.
~ Lower the Price(as cheap as PS2)
~ More anticipating exclusives(It's getting drought)
~ Free LIVE( Free>>>Pay)
~ Fix the DAMN RROD!(Sh!t crap is out of control)
~ Tell GREENBERG HIS FIRED!!!

[kevinx1000]

kaz-hirai, Sir Ken Kutaragi and some other smiling japanese guy.
3 accounts to spam with. that's sad. ;-D
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-D

[demolitionX]

cause 15 foot wire is better than WIFI, DVD is better than HD blu-ray, $50 online fees is cheaper than free, 2+ exclusives are more than 10+ exclusives, and MS builds more reliable and better hardware than Sony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[caliman87]

The PS3 Slim is going to sell soon.

Microsoft will kill the 360 console just like they did last generation. Making a new one with a more powerful graphics card, more stable smaller console(wishful thinking), and NATAL. Predict next year.