Here is a new gameplay video of Forza Motorsport 2 for the Xbox 360. Enjoy.
the replay mode on GTHD looks better than the replay mode on forza 2, so when GT5 comes out and looks better than GTHD what does that say for forza?
first let's wait to see if GT5 will achieve those same superb graphics of a tech demo with only 1 car on the track
A great racing sim is so much more than pretty graphics. GTHD and GT5 may look amazing, but that doesn't garuantee a great racing experience. Sure this tech demo looks good, but how will it play? Nobody knows. Why don't we wait until we've played the finished game before we make bold statements.
In the meantime, Forza 2 seems to have found the sweet spot between looks and performance, physics and graphics. Plus it has a sweet damage model and customization, which goes a long way in making a great racing sim.
Hahah, get back to me when GTHD allows the level of customization and damage and physics that Forza 2 does.
He will with GT5.
Interview with the designer of GT, concerning the release of the next GT (was GTHD...will now be GT5):
"IGN: What kind of customization will we be able to see in Gran Turismo HD? Will we be able to see a deeper level of customization than what has been seen in previous GT games?
Kaz: The cars we are designing/modeling for PS3... you see that line separating the bumper from the body? That (bumper) comes off. Again, previously a car model in GT 4, it was one skin. Now you can take parts off, because the cars are made up of components. So for this Skyline, for instance, you can take off the front bumper and replace it with something else.
IGN: You mentioned your love for Le Mans and Formula 1. Previous GT games have had an unlockable F1-style car, but no real F1-style race. Will we be seeing more Le Mans-style and F1 cars in GT HD?
Kazunori: My goal is to try to expand even further than where we are now... I'd like to include vehicles like the midget race cars..."
They have big ideas for GT5...especially in online terms...GTHD is them testing the waters of PSN etc...but they are calling GT5 an "online
"CVG: With the next generation of technology almost upon us, how do you hope to use that to push the envelope of the driving genre?
Kazunori: Let's take the category of car physics: currently in GT4 on the PS2, the calculations for car physics are done sixty times a second, the same as the framerate. But with the next generation coming and higher specifications, we think this could change to 300 times per second or even 600 times per second.
Those changes will be significant in how players relate to car physics, car simulation and feedback.
He says Polyphony is already experimenting with running its current physics simulation at many more cycles per second -- 300 or 600, compared to 60 in GT4" http://www.computerandvideo...
GT4 was one of the most impressive looking games on the PS2...Poly are a very technical versed team...one of the best developers in the world IMO. They know what they're doing...I mean they know how to make a 3d mountain look so incredible...that everyone thinks its a 2d photograph (lmao)
All the information is fine. But have they (sony) delievered on anything they have been saying since E3 05. I mean seriously. So lets keep the interviews and opinions and their big ideas and intent in check until they deliver it.
As for Forza2, bring the damn demo already and enough with the vids and screenshots.
Oooh, so you can swap out bumpers. Thaaaaat's... not exactly what I was thinking. Custom paintjobs? Vinyls? Car tuning?
For one it's not what Sony said...it's what PD said...one of the greatest developers around.
Also...it's a sign of where they want to go. My simple point is...wait until GT5 comes out before you criticise it...there was a reason why they cancelled GTHD to make GT5 - they have big plans for it. PD are perfectionists.
deep: Doesnt sony own PD?
@JPomper: Yes i believe he meant you can customize the car and was not talking about getting the bumpers smashed off. We'll see what damage model GT will have once its released or when some more information is given out
Jenzo....denial? Not likely...I know a lot more insider information than you'd like to think.
absolutly nothing at all. Whatever GT5 ends up being has nothing whatsoever to do with what Forza ends up being. Both will likely be fine games. The existance of one does not dimish the fun people will have with the other.
since comparing my 360 to my ps3 i have always noticed that 360 games are much darker then PS3 games
especially seeing this replay mode compared to GTHD
is this becaus 360 cant handle lighting effects compared to PS3?
do any of you with the 2 systems notice this
Stealth troll of the day?
Seriously, guys, this isn't a PS3 game, so stay out of the thread.
drew if you cant answer a question then shut up
It's probably your TV.
PS3 games on mine looks shiney and plastic like while the 360 seems a bit softer. Dark is not a word I would use... maybe more realistic.
Whats with all this until GT5 gets more cars on the tracks we can talk, sounds more like excuse, but never the less I think Poly knows what to do with the PS3 hardware system inorder to achieve that, and if and when they do, I wonder what other things people might come up with, "The tracks a like way smaller, so lets see what they can do when they have like 55 cars and bigger tracks".
don't be foolish, though the graphics are better than GREAT on GT:HD, you have to take into account that there is no damage @ 60 fps, no other cars on the track with the same amount of detail @ 60 fps, & no type of real A.I. I'd say the same thing if any other car game was in this position
GT5 - more than 1 car, AI, Physics, damage, online play. You think they will make a game that looks worse than GTHD? Although spectacular...they can do better...that's why they cancelled GTHD and moved onto GT5 to make it look even better. It's art direction, and decisions that have kept PD at the top of their game.
I don't doubt that it's possible which brings me to my first post in here...
"let's wait and see"
indeed...they are already demoing their GT5 cars in GTHD...Nissan trailer anyone? SO the cars will have just as many poly's etc.
or better on GT5 with more than 1 car on the track, that what cell and the 50gig disc are made for, they dont have to worry about space on discs wich can comprmise graphics, wich was the diffrence between the 2 versions of oblivion, ps3 looked better and loaded faster. so as for this game, they have plenty of processing power for all cars without 1 effecting the other. and GT has never had a damage factor, never realy needed one, why change that now, they make the game the way they think is best.
kastrol.ive got both sytems,for me personaly the ps3 is mutch darker than the 360 is.ive played both call of duty3 games,and the ps3 is much darker and poorer grathics than the 360 one is.thats just my opinion.
lol. Yes COD3 is the best comparison. Out of interest why would you buy COD3 for both systems?
"the ps3 is [email protected]
Back to the subject: One thing is for sure though...this franchise called Forza2 is something new to me...but from what I've read about it, and all the technology going into the game, including the graphics (60fps, HDR, 2xAA) is very impressive. The online customisation and damage are also very commendable...sounds like a solid 9+ game to me...one which is really pushing forward the genre.
cool thanx for giving me your opinion on comparison
Forza 2 will probably be one of the best games of the year.
That's great for all who owns an Xbox 360.
All PS3 fanboys, get the hell out of news about Forza or other 360-games. We don't give a damn about what you mean! Go play Motorstorm. Or are you bored of it allready?
Really looking forward to the demo. Should be out next week =)
Ford GT and F430 ftw, yo!
They can't shut-up the ps3tards on this site have to comment on every article posted. It is their mandate. It's like the guy with the little penis who has to run about telling everyone it's huge so he feels better. Do you think if the PS3 actually had all these dumb asses say it does they would just let the product speak for itself? Nope, they have to follow everything up with mile long responses hoping that if they talk enough someone will believe them..
It might be the video, but it seems like in some places the framerates drop off.
Not sure if this is a final video or not.
I've never seem more then one car on the track in the GT HD demo's.
But I noticed in the Nissan trailer the frames drop off when they show the car. You can actually see it trying to catch up. Racing on the demo course I've noticed very little drop off.
I expect more drop off once more cars are added to the track though.
It's the video. There are no framerate problems, ever. It's a locked 60FPS. Check out the full 720p video:
Can't the "Forza 2 vs. GTHD" discussion be banned from N4G? I mean, bringing it up one time ok. But not every news subject about one of the games should end in a "Forza 2 pwns GTHD"!
I agree. Most of us here are racing fans. We should be glad the genre is pushing forward. GT was revolutionary in its day, but it has since gone stale, and now it's Forza's turn. Love it or hate it, but get over it. If GT can manage to surpass Forza in everything that makes a good racing sim (NOT just graphics), and very well could, then all power to GT. But GT5 is a ways off, so why spoil other people's fun?
though I'm hoping it was video-related and not game-related. Graphically it doesn't look all that impressive though. I was expecting a bigger leap from Forza 1.
The fist pic is of GTHD and the others Forza 2; the two games are not even in the same ball park. Gameplay vs gameplay. GT is too dark and ungly.
#1.1 is correct a full game will have to balance much more resources meaning the PS3 is gonna have to work with more on the screen at any given time and we already know what console can deal with a heavier loads at any given time.
Where is a good HD video of collisions????
and yeah, after 2 years they could do better or is that all what they can do ???
p.s. good point, in GTHD runs only 1 car, here run several, but those several look awful to me. I am not impressed.
I want nextgen graphics, ant THIS i can`t call nextgen, though reflections are nice, but everything else like sh1t, not realistic.
And that is my opinion, bring my bubbles back. =]
p.p.s. we are here to disscus what we see, so i just said my opinion.
Are you kidding me? The video looks beautiful. I don't see anything that looks "awful" in this vid.
Im my oppinion, Turn 10 has done an amazing job of finding the sweet spot between looks and performance, physics and graphics. Show me another racing sim that looks this good and includes advanced physics, a cosmetic and fuctional damage model, 4000 layers of customization, tuning, and runs at 60 FPS.
We shouldn't be comparing this to a GTHD tech demo anyway. Looks alone aren't what make a great racing sim.
......who loves these games?..........i really cant see the Fun factor in this!
im already bored just by watching it T_T
You need to play it for youself and dont say you have because you post sounds that you never tryed forza 1, And the fun factor is there but if your sony fan i understand lol
Also gthd is a good game but i do get boared of that after 10 mins and start playing motorstorm or resistance insted.
i never liked realistic racing games.
so playing this wont change my mind @ all.
i just dont see the fun in it.
@ and why would this indicate that im a sony fanboy?
i never liked GT! and i think i would like this game as much like any other realistic racing game.
i never used to till i played live for speed and forza but thats your opinion, Happy gaming :)
I never could understand why some people think their opinion actually matters -- whether in politics, religion, personal preference, etc.
Some things you just keep to yourself, because most of us just don't care. If you're not a racing fan, that's perfectly fine. But why state your distaste for racing games to a sea of racing fans in a news post for a racing game? I don't see the point.
@sidar if you dont like racing then wth are you doing in the section and commenting? Dont waste your or our time.
notice the lack of an occupant in the cars from the demo, thought that was funny.
how can ny1 say GTHD is dark??? wa?!?!?!?!?!
Actually, there are drivers in the cars in Forza. The steer and shift in realtime with the player.
Graphics here look ok but nothing wow like GT is at the moment.Lighting and just general movement is worse for Forza2.Having said that , GT games feels like your driving a giant bar of soap for all the sliding you do.Now i don't drive a car but if that's how it really feels then i'm happy to stick with Forza and PG - driving feels sensational for these games and believe me iv'e spent some time with the GT series to know the differences.GT more accurate maybe but fun , i think not when directly comparing the two.
Just watched the 720 video and i take back what i said about the graphics - there rather good actually.
- Can anyone see one car being reflected in another? I also noticed a lot of pop-up in the reflections at times.
- Where is the damage modeling? Everyone keeps defending Forza 2 because it has some next gen damage modeling. Where the hell is it????
- The particle effects at the end with the smoke were also lame as smoke does not disappear like it was steam.
- Static weather effects. Again, its just one big pre-rendered environment. No real time weather effects impacting driving conditions here. By real time I mean a sun that actually sets as you drive, clouds that actually move, etc. Imagine coming down a straight and having to content with glare from the sun during one lap but during the next lap clouds obscure the sun during the same stretch of track.
- I hope the final version will allow for more than 6 cars in a race. I was hoping for 20+.
Until this thing is actually released and reviewed I won't be departing with my hard earned cash. I have seen nothing that suggests this is nothing more than a HD version of the original Forza. It has to have superior AI, superior damage modelling (not the same ole generic damage that looks identical every race).
Before you start, I am a 360 owner.
I'm sorry, there is no way that either console, PS3 or Xbox360, could pull off everything your suggesting and still run anywhere near 60fps. Even on these "next-gen" consoles, it's still a give and take between graphics and performance.
I think most of us will gladly sacrifice changing weather effects and a setting sun for a solid 60 fps, advance physics, and lag free online racing.
And 20 cars per race? Are you kidding me? Is squeezing 20 cars onto a real world track like Tsukuba or Laguna Seca even realistic?
That was without doubt the most boring video i have ever seen on N4G. That is possible the worst video ive ever seen trying to promote a game. Im actually angry i wasted 5 mins watching that CRAP.
1st of all, that track was the most bland track to use for a game video. Road. Sky. A bit of grass and sand on the side. GREAT CHOICE! Now i HAVE to look at those awful cars going round. Thanks for having 7 close ups of that BUTT UGLY lancer evolution's bumper. Cheers for tracking that red mazda that sounded like it was powered by 2 bee hives. And for how long?!? Like 4 or 5 laps!
Oh and a special thank you for only including music in the last quarter of the video. I especially like the way that the music consisted of 1 drum-kit, and 1 bassoon.
Actually gapzilla, i understand that. What my point was, is that its a terrible choice of track to use for a promotional video. There's NO scenery to look at. It bored me. It really bored me. For 4-5 laps, FOR 5 MINUTES it bored me. Gran Turismo has real life tracks but when they promote the game, they tend to use tracks that scenically look beautiful. Forza 2 has New York on the track list. Use that. Im not expecting a burnout style track, im expecting to watch a video thats supposed to build my interest, not to make me punch my monitor.
Hey gapzilla, was this you when you read my comment?
Well, thats a race track for you. It's a real world race track, and a popular one at that. This game is about real cars on real race tracks. This isn't supposed to be some crazy, flashy Burnout or NFS. This is about the kind of tuning and racing that real gearheads do in real life. You tune your car and take it to the track to compete. In real racing, the cars and the drivers are where the excitement is at, not in racing through some flashy neon city or whatever it is you were looking for.
Edit** Well said Shadow Flare. I see your point. BTW, that pic made me LOL. :)
"That was without doubt the most boring video i have ever seen on N4G."
-Well would it really matter what the video looked like, every comment I've read from you related to M$/360 is negative and extremely biased so why would we expect THIS trailer to impress you at all? -Afterall, its no GT and its not on the PS3, right?
As far as the graphics go, honestly they look pretty good to me, and I just like the idea of all the custimization and car tuning you can do, previews from those who have already played the game suggest its one hell of a game for car junkies (which I'm not) so I think I'll try to learn a few things....I even bought a wireless racing wheel! Hey I've played the GTHD demo on my PS3, its alright and I'm sure GT5 will be great...point is we have to wait and see, then we can compare/judge the two games in playable form, same as PGR4.
Looks good enough, but it lacks of atmosphere like pretty much every car game so far. GIVE US AIR and other s!it that we breathe :) It's now a bit too clean looking and therefore it eats realism. Anyhow I'm sure the game is really great and that's the main thing :)
Not really a racing fan but this does look good!
When is the demo due?
I'm guessing wednesday, but maybe it's out thursday or friday.
I'm not sure that it's out this week...but it should be. If they release it after the Halo 3 beta (May 16th) then it wouldn't get all that attention.
I would have liked to have seen a wreck or 2, looks like they didn't hit each other so no one would bring it up. Anyone know if there will be realistic damage to the cars?
Ive never played forza but after reading and watching videos about it I really cant wait!I use to think GT was king but after watching a video of the first forza I changed my mind.One thing that I hated about GT was you didnt spin,you ONLY understeered.THATS BS!I drive a impreza and you DO SPIN.
I'm looking forward to Forza, but that video was pretty dull. I would have liked to have seen a little contact between cars to highlight cosmetic damage too.
@ the ones who replied on my comment.
Even if i dont like racing games i still have the rights to view the game.
Next to that it was a metaphorical question.
And please dont be a freaking hypocrit, you know yourself you also go on topics you really dont care about!
my opinion didnt matter, but i still had the freaking rights to tell them anyway ! BITE ME!
Do you also go to handball matches and shout "This is so boring!!" Or watch reality TV and send in mail to the TV company because they just wasted 45 minutes of your life?
No you don't. And so, you shouldn't do that in here either. You do have the right to watch Forza 2 videos, but if you don't like the game or have no interest in it, why come here and tell us that? We don't care what you mean if you have nothing to say about the news than "It looks boring".
Do you have any idea how good Forza 1 was? Or don't you care?
"but if you don't like the game or have no interest in it, why come here and tell us that?"
AAAAAH, just like all those people who go to topics they dont care about!
If you have the time to tell me about "whats the point" then please go protect this website from those who give their useless comments on topics they dont care about! let me tell you, you will FAIL, there are way to many!
FORZA 1 SUCKS, and thats my opinion, i dont like realistic racing games! And whats the point? there isnt! but thats doesnt stop me from saying it!
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