A complete breakdown on what's broken about Microsoft's Xbox 360 Elite, and why the entire third model and strategy may be nothing more than a slap in the face for the entire gaming industry.
Thats not so bad, my hip brace only cost that much, and it keeps me upright.
No idea why people complain about 80 more bucks when you get 80 more gigs and an HDMI port. If it was a PS2 in white people would pay $80+ over retail for it.
What if you WANT an Elite? What if you WANT HDMI, a bigger HDD and a black casing? Why the hell shouldn't you buy one? This is a pretty dumb article. $80+ isn't outrageous at all.
You're paying an extra $80 for things that should be no more than the current $399 premium. You're paying a lot of money for substandard parts. When the 360 launched I knew it was mistake just because it didn't include a lot of things it should have, hd-dvd being one. I thought at least it would be using the new 65nm chips but no it still uses the standard, it in the article he states that they are using outdated HDMI port, 1.2, not 1.3. The things microsoft is pedellling is indeed a lot more than they should be and they are charging the consumer a lot more than it costs to produce. Basically they are selling you the same box for a bigger cost and that is why the article calls you an idiot for buying a 360. I suppose the costs is not a problem if you don't own a 360 but if you have one and switch it out for this garbage then you would fall under the articles suggested label.
Its a good deal no matter how one tries and spin it. 120 gig drive for $40 and HDMI/cable for $40 thats the best way to look at it. The i think the Elite's great and i think the Elite's a bad idea is getting old fast. Don't be shocked if a PS3 fanatic post this story lets hope its just a 360 fan that has some how felt cheated.
completely agree its not a bad deal, i ONLY wish we had the 1.3 HDMI rather then the older 1.2 HDMI but then again im sure they will simply just do a slite mod on a futer version of the 360, but for the mean time, i am completely happy with my componant HDTV :D (although i do have a HDMI slot on my tv, i just dont have the elite. i would like to have an elite, but i am going to wait till IPTV comes out, and then hopefully the 65 chips will be in the elites/premiums :D then i would be very happy :D P.S. good feedback for you :)
POG .. I agree. 80 bucks isnt that much.. But it would have been better if it was implemented in the beginning.. This guys rants and raves about things making it seem like the glass is half empty.. You dont have to buy a HDD for 180.. Just get a 3rd Party and connect it via usb.. Thats what im going to do when I start to run out of room.. But the best comment I saw was this and I quote "So I asked earlier “Who is Microsoft trying to appeal to with the Xbox 360 Elite?” Did you figure it out? The answer is “idiots”" When reporters or journalists call random Consumers IDIOTS thats when I lose all respect for them... Who gives this guy the right to call anyone besides himself an Idiot??? Its a game console and if someone wants to buy it let them do so .. Wow .. Thats when you know this article was just an attempted bash.. 450$ for a 360.. Why dont you bring out a new article and say the ps3? 650? If hes all mad about price I bet his blood pressure went up seeing that price tag..
if you're a new customer this is good. I for one don't really want or need the elite, but lets keep it a little more fair.
Meh... wrong Reply.
I hate black colour on equipment, it's so 80's. That's why I will never buy a PS3 (well for more reasons then its colour but well) and an Elite. I like the white Premium too much. I don't really need HMDI because I just saw the comparison between component and HDMI even on 1080p and it was hardly noticable. Unless you have a screen above 42 inch. Third: I am still fine with 20 GB's of hard disk space. I delete old stuff because I never watch it. There is no use like the PS3 with a slow BluRay player to install 5 to 10 GB's per game that wants to use speed up processes. So really. If this Elite can get techcrazy gamers that want HDMI and a large HDD and otherwise would have bought a PS3 just for that now switch to an Elite that's fine with me. Only thing I agree with: it could confuse the consumer. Three SKU's is too much. They should cut the core, drop the premium to the cores price and then it's fine Premium 299 Euro Elite 480 or 399 Euro
Your avatar is so 80's :/ ^^
liked your comment raist ,a bubble for you
My avatar is mega 80's! It's b!tchin' and totally rad! I'd drop the core as well. Word up!
THEmart talks again.... ThEmart should be quiet AGAIN...please man get a life
Lol... they have the "boomerang" controller in that pic posted by elliot_.
Excellent point. 80 dollar difference and you get.... HDMI built in $26 160 more gigs than the premium $26 HDMI cable $26 Thats 80 dollars more than the Premium.... Its a Good deal for anyone who needs or wants those extra features... BTW....I konw I have said it before but.....HDMI output on the Elite is a slight difference if you have a 720p or 1080i tv.... But if you have a 1080p tv....Its a very notible difference....I have compared with my Elite and I absolutely love it. The picture in 1080p is Much more crisp...The colors are deeper and more vibrant as well. I'm very happy with my purchase and I would highly recommend it if you have hdmi or intend on getting a tv with hdmi inputs. WOW Also...TheMart....To be honest...I like the look of the white 360 over the black 360....I agree with you there...but for me the performance difference is what I was after with the inclusion of HDMI....My HD dvd movies look much better now and the games look notibly better as well....But thats "ONLY" because I have a 1080p 61 inch DLP TV.
160 more gigs?
Bah, the quibbles are nothing more than growing pains. The bottom line is that the Elite is probably the best choice for new 360 owners. If/when I decide to get one, it certainly won't be an iPod-white one, and it won't be a 20GB model, esp. with the ludicrou$ HD-upgrade path. It's a great machine, but I don't like how they've segmented the market so early in the 360's lifespan.
Well, if I were to get a 360, I would want the Elite. I prefer the HDMI connection and the black look (hate the white), and I have a pretty big TV where component difference is noticeable. I fully understand that the Elite is useless in some cases, for people who don't need the extras.
I don't know much about HDMI and Wi-Fi implementation, but if what he says is true about the those being included for practially free (somehow I doubt it) then that's a bummer. I do feel that Microsoft need urgent about making their console cheaper, and resolving hardware issues. They've got an advantage because of the PS3's high price, but it feels like Microsoft have in turn become complacent and haven't jumped on that opportunity. I'll have to wait and see the price difference between the Premium and the Elite to know whether it really worth it, but the I feel the Elite is so scant on extra stuff, that it wont be long before the next SKU comes out. I'm not really attacking the Elite as bad value (those who buy it can decide that...) but I feel need to be more costumer-centric in their stratergy.
The HDMI implementation is great if you ask me, but WiFi isn't included.
I feel like I'm inclined to agree with the article. $400 is too much for the console and $480 is just even more. And Microsoft is charging a ridiculous amount of money for accessories. For WiFi, was it about £80? Bigger hard drive, no wifi, hdmi, no fixing the previous mentioned problems... too hot, too noisy, red ring of death... plus no 65nm, does it really qualify for that price? I think not. The 360 Elite (which really isn't Elite, by the way...) was just a big mistake! ...Or so I believe.
OK, then... Why don't you make you own console and sell it to us for $480 and make sure it comes with the specs the 360 has + year guarantee on all repairs including shipping and handling in case the 3 rings of death apear. I think the PS3 and the 360 are both great value for the cost they are charging. Try making a PC that performs or can play the games they play with what they cost. I think you should go more straight to the point and simply tell people to buy the console you love(PS3) and save yourself the trouble of trying to convince people that the 360 is not worth the $480. I spend more than on breakfast every morning ($6) because I am too lazy to make it myself. All I have to do is a small change and I can buy all consoles and not feel it.
3 sku's the core hinders gaming development... as stated by dev's from GTAIV and as we all know DMC4 wont live up to its potential because of it... the premium doesn't do much better as xbox live has HD content but not nearly enough space to save it. earlier on MS had stated that HDMI wasnt necessary but it seems now on to the "elite" HDMI and 120 GB..nice. but its the first time in console history i can remember a system going "UP" in price...OMG..and the feature set is no where as robust as the competitors...its also very confusing to decide where im spending my money... i mean if i want a system that does everything...its still none of the three...I will stiill have to purchase a hd-dvd drive.../sigh i know what the reply will be....choice right...lmao.
If you don't own a 360 already, and HDMI/bigger HDD is important to you than the Elite is very appealing. So for those two reasons alone I think the extra $80 is justified. However, I would have loved to see more improvements in the Elite, which is what a lot of people are disapointed in. A lot of people were hoping for a 65mm chip, I know I was. And I still don't understand why they didn't have the quieter BenQ drives. My Elite has the other one, the Hitachi I think :(. And the motherboard was only slightly improved. So two really great features were added, but the Elite didn't really improve on anything that wasn't already found in the Premium or Core.
which 360 is selling the most. He says people who didn't own one before (and were waiting out) are getting the Elite's only. Not many are trading in their Premiums for this new model.
You're full of Sh8T DMC4 doesn't live up to what folks wanted because the devs did not innovate; has nothing to do with the core(they already put two killer games on the 360). I know you were kidding i was gonna call you an idiot before i realized your jokes. Has there actually really been any real announcments of GTA5 or just info from a PS website?. lol Remember they said both consoles are problems according to the original rumor not the twisted one Sony fanboys use.
@Bladestar: No unfortunately, I have no PS3. But even so... for $500, $20 more you get... a Blu-ray drive, beefier specs, quieter machine, no red lights of death... Albeit a smaller drive, the PS3 is superior in features and it costs just $20 more then the elite! Now you tell me if the elite is worth the money? If I had to choose, I'd rather have a PS3. Though as it stands, even if it's worth it feature-wise, I'm not eager to spend so much money on something I don't need. The games are all that I require and nothing else. And hey, you even pay for a machine that doesn't have wireless built-in (which I do use! - and I'm not keen on paying £80 for wireless) and need a prorietary hard disk. The PS3 can use any 2.5 SATA disks... So Xbox 360 Elite vs PS3 - it's really lacking. And if I could get a such superior machine for just a little more, then is it really justified at its price? I think not. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't like PS3 either for that matter. In the future, should I get a Xbox 360, it would probably be an Elite, since I'd get HDMI (digital!) and a bigger hard drive and not have to purchase an outrageous price for a proprietary hard drive. But the Elite is far too expensive right now. And the problems it has does only add to the woes that it's too expensive. As if the Premium wasn't bad enough for its price, the Elite is even worse.
Wrong! The PS3 superior? It's not. The GPU of the 360 is more powerfull then the PS3 one. The CPU of the PS3 on paper is a beast, but in reality... The main core/SPU has 2 threads. The other subdies/SPU's have their own threads but all have to use the main core+2 threads. WHere the 360 CPU has 3 cores with 2 threads each at the same time. The best proof is: the multiplatform games look best on the 360, besides Oblivion that looks a tad better on the PS3 because they had a full year extra to work on it and polish it up. BluRay? No standard. Not needed for gaming. Only wearing your drive out with watching movies so it dies earlier and the games won't play anymore... bummer! When you have a 120 GB HDD, you don't need other HDD's. Plus WiFi, well for gaming it's not optimal, wired is much more stable, less lag etc. I won't say the price is right, the only thing that should lead to a choice to buy one would be the best gaming device with the best online service. Which is the 360. Remember, for 500 Euro you are not ready with the PS3. There is no HD cable included, there is no headset inside the box (how are you going to talk to your online buddies?) etc. The 360 is HD out of the box, plus online including unified friendlist plus TALKING to them right out of the box. The comparing is useless, because the PS3 doesn't have the same step in with ease and play with your friends co-op like the 360. Tell me, any PS3 game where you play single player, your friend comes online and jumps in without the games stops? ANY? I play Gears, Crackdown and more games like this. Suddenly the computerplayer is taken over by my best friend he just joined. WOW crazy stuff You can't beat the 360 experience and that is priceless @ Bamdad "man you a highschool drop out? you know, PS3s GPU can do 2 TERRA FLOPS/SEC thats 4 times the last Nvidia...DO YOU READ ME?" Nope dude, two times masters degree, and you? BTW, do you chew on anything that Sony tells you??? Sony has never released the real specs of their GPU. It's stated to be a standard PC Nvidia 6800 card or so. They first though the Cell could do the GPU tasks, found out it was too weak for that, got a bag of money and knocked on Nvidia's door. What can we buy for this? They got a standard GPU with old tech already. That shows because it can't do 4 x FSAA and HDR/dynamic lightning effects at the same time. The 360 can do that, even with AA for free because of it's extra 10 MB extra fast embedded Ram/die on the main die using the other RAM. Did you also buy the Sony nonsense with TFLOPS from the PS2? If we may believe that, it would be stronger then the XBOX, the Gamecube and the Dreamcast combined. BUT IT DIDN'T. So stop reading numbers without knowing about the GPU, that sound so kindergarten. What are you, barbie Kens son? DO YOU READ ME??? Or haven't they already learned you to be able to use stuff you read instead of being Sony's handpuppet?
"But even so... for $500, $20 more you get... a Blu-ray drive" actually this is no longer true... there is no $500 sku for the PS3. So the way I see it the elite is $120 cheaper than the PS3, has 2 times the hard drive space, comes with hdmi cables. I'm not trying to put down the PS3 on any way... but if you don't care about blu-ray or the format war... the 360 look great on paper + has more games as of today.
you know, PS3s GPU can do 2 TERRA FLOPS/SEC thats 4 times the last Nvidia...DO YOU READ ME?
I can see on your avatar that you are blind. The Ps3 looks good on paper, the 360 looks good IRL...