Halo 3: ODST's box art confirms that the title has been optimised for installation to the Xbox 360 hard drive.
That's good, now I can have ODST keeping Fable II company on my hard-drive.
I think you're going to see more developers do this. Installs wont be mandatory but you'll see games optimized for install.
If it increases performance then it's fine IMO but that does mean that if you want to get the most out of it you'll need a hard drive.
That's what I'm afraid of. You've seen developers use installs on the PS3 as a crutch but with no mandatory installs, developers are still forced the make sure the experience is the same for everyone because even someone with a harddrive may not want to install a game and shouldn't be disadvantaged.
Some devs might do it but others just might not bother spending the time doing it. Any and all first party games should always be optimized for an install but some 3rd party devs might not bother.
Not everyone has a hard drive. It would hurt their sales.
Yes, but I like having the option to install a game to my hard drive if I want to. It's nice that some developers are optimizing the games to run from the hard drive if that option is chosen.
The second disc, which is Halo 3 multiplayer, still shouldn't be installed. The article didn't clarify that. Only the first disc is optimized for installation to the HDD.
CONSIDERING IT SAYS THE SAME THING ON THE BACk OF HALO 3. It has nothing to do with installing the game. I think it has something to do with caching. Why would they put the same thing on the back of halo 3 when it was worse with installs.
Cool, maybe I`ll install it.
I would do hard drive installs if MS would reduce the damn HD price. My 20gb is too small to do game installs since I like DLCs. They should release a 500gb drive and drop the price on the 120gb to like $50.
is something you can only dream about unfortunately.
That's one of the few things that pisses me off about Microsoft. Those hard drive prices are unbelievably ridiculous. I can buy a 1TB external computer hard drive for around $200 but with the 360, 60GB costs me $100??? Come onnnnn....
thats why i bought an elite, i knew i would fill up the 20 or even the 60 and i was right i have only 59gb left. i even filled up my 60gb ps3 but i just bought a 500gb so im stylin.
You're right, the hard drives are a bit pricey. You can get a 120GB hard drive on Ebay for around $50 or $60 though, and I don't think that is too bad. The new update coming this month also makes game installs smaller, so they take up less space and you can fit more on your hard drive.
My 20gb HDD is in pain too. I'm really tempted to buy one of the 120 gig HDDs off of ebay. I only have 1 or 2 gigs left, and I have to keep deleting stuff that I don't want to keep. I have a good amount of DLC on my HDD, an Xbox original, and some trailers of my favorite games. NEED MOAR SPACE!!!
I hope future games will have that "optimized for hard drive" logo in the back. So I know if its safe to install them onto my HDD. I am still praying that MS will release a new HDD and lower the existing ones to an affordable price....
Isn`t it like $150? Yeah, DO NOT WANT! Not even a $50 drop would get me to pay that much for a freakin` storage device.
But I though install where dreadful Microsoft... didn't you complain about GTA IV one on PS3? Oh wait that's right... it only counts if the competition does it ;)
its not forced on you to install but some games can load faster if they are =)
What about all the people without hard drives? Microsoft hasn't forced installs yet because they cannot... it's not a moralle code. Sony gives the option to developers because the PS3 came with a hard drive.
We cannot prove either way if M$ would force installs or not if all xbox's came with Hard Drives but the fact is currently they do not but offer the option and i back them as a consumer in that choice. edit- in the future gens i do expect M$ to back the install method though which is a shame as im not a fan of forced installs and they are not needed. Look at UC2, all without an install
installs are good again?
When you have the option, yes.
if the install is optional its no problem as i can slip the disc in and play straight away as soon as i get it. After ive played the campaign or i have spare time when im not playing ill just select to install the game for better play, faster loads and a near silent console. Its the best of both worlds and it isnt needed too play.
Something I dont understand is why do you need to install the game at all? and why is MS developers pushing installs on disk when the Arcade model is practically disk-less?. That sounds unfair. On top of that, xbox HDD is non standard and the prices are just ridiculously high.
Raztad. Yes, the HDD is pricey. But nobody is "pushing" installs. When installed, the game loads a tad faster and also runs cooler. The option is there for those who want it.
M$ are not pushing the install model on devs at all. Its an option that a dev can take if they feel thier game would benefit from doing it. I only install games i play large amounts as to keep disc damage to a minimum. Past that i notice very little difference in the speed at which most games load in exception to Mass effect which looses a lot of the texture pop in but now Mass effect 2 has solved those issues without install.
@both guys above Thanks for the answer. So the installed game reduces drive damage and improve loading times? nice to know. Its a new concept for me to install a full game on disk though (talking about consoles). How much space do you need to install a game like ME?
All though I have No Problems with Halo 3 on installed on my HDD !
Halo 3 runs slower from your hard drive as it was optimized for running on the disc.
If you have halo 3 look at the back. It says the same thing: OPTIMIZED FOR HARD DRIVE. And we all know what happened when it was installed. vvv-Lucifroon is right. halo 3 says it too. IM looking at it right now.
I don't think this means optimized for hard drive installation, but rather optimized to be used with a hard drive. Halo 3 cached data to the hard drive to improve load times, no doubt ODST will also do this. Meaning if you own a hard drive you will get better performance out of the title. Not to rule out that the game may run better from an install but I don't think thats what this means.
Lars barkin confirmed that the ODST disc has been designed to run smoother with an install but it is not neccesary to play the game. The Halo 3 disc in the set still has the same multiplayer issuse with the install.
Installation was the work of the devil a few weeks ago.
only mandatory ones! as long as there is an option it is no problem. the problem is when it is mandatory like so many playstation games.
Being able to install full games and get faster loading times & reduce the wear & tear of the disc reader is a good thing. Mandatory installs that take 20 minutes but don't improve anything noticeable is a bad thing. If the Blu-Ray reader in the PS3 was faster there probably wouldn't be any mandatory installs.
No! All this means is if you have a HDD it will cache to it for faster loading, many Xbox 360 games including Halo 3 have this symbol as well. http://www.ihavegames.com/H...
I always install my games on the 360 to avoid RROD or at least lessen the chance of it.
If I only got the choice on the PS3 to install the complete game to the HDD, and had to be less afraid my PS3 bluray diode wouldn't crap out on me like it did when my PS3 was just 3 weeks old... But Sony doesn't give me that choice. They: 1. Force me to take an install like MGS4 before the game and then between the levels or 2. Don't install and have insane loading times. Both options suck and the BluRay diode still gets hammered every time I play the games...
I will agree with you that I'd like an option to install PS3 games, you have to remember that Bluray is huge and thus PS3 games are much large than 5-8 gigs big. You'd need a very big harddrive to be able to install PS3 games (ex. MGS4 is like 40-48 gigs big no?)
Uhm no. Even most PS3 games fit on a DL-DVD. Thing is, for example Uncharted had its data copied 3 times over on the disc, so they could implement some special loading feature to reduce loading times. The actual data could fit a DL-DVD. The only game not fitting it would be MGS4, but that isn't strange with all that CGI and 8 to 9 hours cutscene BluRay movie. Which, on the other hand was something like 30GB and not 48. Besides that, the PS3 HDD can be upgraded by yourself to 320GB or 500GB right so no problem right?
Yes, I've got a 500 GB HDD on my PS3; however, being uncompressed delivers better quality and therefore it could be inferred that by compressing game to DVD size the game would not looks as good as if it played from the blu-ray disc. Sure 500 GB will last you, but most people just stick with their original 80 Gig or less HDD (unless they bought the 160 GB PS3). My point is that PS3 games are too big. Yes they can be compressed, but quality would be reduced and it'd go against the point of using bluray disk in the first place.
Of course it is, it started out as DLC.
It never started out as DLC, it was always going to be a retail release.
teh installs on ps3! oh but wait it's HALO DLC nevermind, installs are A-okay!
mandatory (PS3) optional (360) surely you understand the difference between the two Nasim?
mandatory installs dont happen that much anymore plus forza 3 says hello and who is nasim? seriously
now why do you think not many games have a mandatory install anymore? could it be cause micro gives you the option and not only that but it has been proven that multi plat games that need a install on the ps3 didnt make much of a difference when the 360 didnt need it (gta4) devs thought it would make a big difference till they realized its not that big a deal, just like the ps3 isnt a big deal ;)
Nasim is an account from a PS3 fanboy that was used over a year ago. The bots, when feeling insecure and backed into a corner, will just blurt out "NASIM" and somehow think they "Pwned" you or something. Happens all the time to every PS3 owner on this site.
Well, considering Bungie and their uber-l337ness optimizing Halo 3 and it running faster off the disc than the hard drive, you would think they would perhaps take advantage of the hard drive. ;D
so I guess console installs now are a good thang....lol
Who said they were bad? Even then, if I recall correctly the debate was optional vs. mandatory.
I can't believe that some people don't understand the HUGE difference between having the option to install a game and a mandatory installation that is required just to play the game.
o they know the difference its purely fanboy (SDF) drivel a very common phenomenon in n4g
Chad Warden = Nasim SaaKing = Nasim IcyJoker 187 = Nasim -xRedx- = Nasim NegativeCreep427= Nasim HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH What a fuking LOSER.
who the hell is Nasim seriously?
The funny thing stevie.. The last time i seen nasim use that account was at least a year ago. You just joined this site at most a month ago.. You should have no idea who he is. So, common sense says, you're just another troll account too. HAHAHAHAH what a fuking loser!
optimizing a game for the hard drive does not require an install at all. it's still a shame that MS gimped the arcade so a very large number of their install base can't play games to their fullest potential without shelling out enough cash to make the price difference they paid for that arcade unit vs. getting an elite or a ps3 in favor of the latter by a very large margin. they are punishing people who buy the arcade by making them pay ridiculous prices to upgrade their consoles. if you bought an arcade 360 and modded it to be just as capable as a stock 160GB PS3 (not counting blu-ray), you will have paid almost enough to buy 2 PS3's. $100 wifi, $150 HDD, $30 controller charger, $200 console, $200-300 for a generation's worth of multiplayer gaming... get my point? I am all for them supporting game installs like this, but they should have phased out the arcade units long ago and went with madatory hard drives in all of their newer units. then they only have the early adopters that need to upgrade before they start pushing all of this content that uses or requires the hard drive, so they are at least minimizing the damage caused by removing a vital component from the system's lower end models. for forza 3 to require a hdd to access some of it's content, they should not be selling units out there that cannot play said content. no other console manufacturer sells a console that can only play some of some of it's games.
xbox games install too?
yes, it has for a while but thankfully its optional
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