With the launch of Xbox 360 Elite, Microsoft is now chasing Sony for the high-end market. But will this strategy alienate mass-market consumers? In this excerpt from its new report, DFC Intelligence weighs up the arguments…
This has only been marked as lame because XBox fanboys don't like their precious console being bashed. This is an intelligent opinion based article, and is an interesting read
I agree, that's why I aproved it too. Damn some people are really defensive to report it as lame.
For me it is a not a good idea to run out and spend $500.00 on this. I would rather just go pick up a PS3. If I did not own a 360 this would be the best option hands down.
Now if some one buys my current 360 I will pick up an elite then but there really is no rush to go grab one. M$ also needs to get the bugs cleaned up too. There is no reason people should have to think twice about quality. Over all it is nice to have another option out there.
If I would stop being lazy and take the test I would approve this article too. I respect the guys at next gen.
I have the Elite(dont have the ps3)and I have post this news anyway,news are news for every gamer.
WTF. How you like it?
For me its very good,I didn't own any 360 until now so for me its good.For gamers that don't have 360 its a great offer.
Its a good console and I think I got the louder version of the disc drives but I don't hear the noise anyway its quite.
I bought an Elite to replace my launch 360 (problem free up until this point) and have been enjoying it. I really think MS should have used this to phase out the core model and do a price drop on the premium. If they want to keep the core then drop that to $199 to send a shot across the Big N's bow.
That Microsoft has plans along those lines for the future. Having the Elite available just give MS AND consumers more options...
Everybody is gonna come in here and say the same thing they said last week and the week before. A lot of these articles dissect the same question, concerns over and over. Give me some new information.
The Elite is the same 360 premium with them 2 major changes nothing is so different about it. Fanboys can use the same cheap shots and bashing jokes as they use against the premium box. The only thing that matter is the gamers that have use for HDMI, since the Premium can be upgraded with that same big HDD.
Good Point. The Elite makes the Premium the worst value of the three models. If you want budget go Core and if you want it all of Elite. Why settle for the middle of the pack?
I wouldn't buy an elite even if i didn't have 360. It is the biggest rip off of the year. The 360 premium is the one to buy and if you need a larger hard drive (which you shouldn't) Then just get the larger drive when/if you need it. HDMI does not make a big difference on the 360, on the PS3 maybe but not on the 360. The only reason I see to get the Elite is if you like the black case better and don't mind paying the extra for it, and in that case you really should be buying a PS3.
"HDMI does not make a big difference on the 360, on the PS3 maybe but not on the 360." Why is that?
HDMI is mainly needed for copyright protection on next gen movie discs. Obviously only the 360 users with the HDDVD addon would feel that they absolutely need HDMI.
In any case though, it's still a nice thing for anyone to have because it is easy to set up and the best cable connection out there.
actually, the elite is a pretty good deal.. you are getting 100 extra GB, for only 80 bucks. The 120 GB stand alone costs 180 dollars.. you do the math. Its a good deal if you don't already have a 360 and are looking to get one. What everyone is crying about is the need or want to upgrade from the premium to the elite, that is the problem.
i disagree @ bpmurr since the premium is a better deal than the core.
@bpmurr I also disagree. You are telling people to waste money. See this is the biggest problem with the Elite. How people can confuse you into which one is better or the better deal. That was the whole point of this article and your post is a good example.
Well as both a Premium and Elite owner I think I'm a pretty good judge of value. Yes the Premium was the best bang for the buck. However, if you are interested in HD and have a nice HD set HDMI is a big factor. The picture quality is noticeably sharper. A lot of sets can do 1:1 pixel mapping on HDMI. This gives you some extra viewing area and a possible one up on other players by removing over scan. Some TVs can do this on component as well but it’s not as common. The bigger hard drive doesn’t hurt anyone and keeps you from having to micro manage as much to free up space. The drive seems to be faster as well but that could just be physiological. Regardless MS has all its bases covered. I would have preferred HD DVD and Wifi in the box for a $499 or less price tag but I can’t get everything.
The point that everyone, including me, missed:
WHAT ABOUT *NEW* CUSTOMERS!?
With the 120GB ahrd drive coming out, you had two non-good options:
-Get a Core, and have only a wired controller, than add the 120GB.
-Or get a Pro with a wireless controller, toss the 20GB drive, then add the 120.
Neither of those is really satisfactory. Micosoft needed a new SKU to cover consumers who would want a new console with the big HD. Then, after deciding that, they also decided they could toss in HDMI for free, as well as the black case that people have been pining for. From that perspective, this console is 100% necessary- and so long as people realize that it really IS a high-end multimedia package only directed at the top level, it doesn't hurt.
Also note: The people who gripe that the Elite are too high-end are the same people whining that the Core is too low-end... should Microsoft ONLY EVER have the Pro console and never ever release anything else at all? C'mon. Apple has proven with the iPod that multiple SKUs tailored to different audiences is a great business model if it's done right.
It's all about marketting. Regarless of how you feel about the xbox 360 (You may hate microsoft and the xbox 360 and would like it out of the market) here is what it comes down to.
The XBox 360 Elite has a larger hard drive, comes with HDMI and it cost $130 less than the PS3. What about HD player? Well, you can always get it separate, but as stand alone JD drives continue to go down this will be come irrelevant; ofcourse asuming that the customer cares about paying for a drive that may have 1-2 movies that he likes and he probably owns on DVD.
With the PS3 HDMI was a major selling point against the 360, now is not. Now if you put this on paper, there is no functionality that the 360 cant have. It's true that the PS3 comes with the whole package assuming that you want the whole package. But if you ask someone that's not a fan of any brand and want a console to play games. They would go for the obvious. Ofcourse the PS has lots of brand recognition which works on Sony's advantage.
Before the elite Sony could always say, "You can only get HDMI on the PS3... and our hard drive is bigger"... Well, that's no longer the case. The same way you don't hear Sony speaks so much about 1080P once microsoft removed that advantage.
Note: That I am not trying to make the xbox 360 looks good against the PS3, and this has nothing to do with the fact that you can argue that the PS3 comes with everything (HDMI, removable hard drives, wifi, blu-ray, etc) but how the elite stands against the PS3 when it comes to marketting.
I just wish they'd done it from the start so I wouldn't be stuck with a 20GB HD.
Black is nice too.
Personally, I believe it was to balance the mindshare of casual gamers who are being told by Sony that the PS3 is the uber console. Do I think that it was a good move? Personally, no. The 360 has already shown that it is as good as and in some ways better than the PS3. A price drop would have made more sense in my opinion.
short answers. NO.
long answer. YES.
i`m not explaining it(cause i`m not trying to argue, right now)
think about it.
Like on the front or side of the boxes have what type of gamer would use which.
So like Core would be
Your a gamer, your not interested in all this media hoo haa, you want to sit down and experience the next generation of gaming.
Premium would be
You want to feel the next gen experience, your ready to download the world onto your computer and more importantly your ready to do it wirelessly.
Your always a forerunner on the technology of tommorow you want the best of the best so that you can experience everything that this next gen has to offer.
and hundreds of real games to chose from and the "BEST" online service there is. The 360 has a price set for everyone from starter to hardcore.
Not to mention this article clearly has an anti Xbox agenda, like I said in other post you will see alot of these now that the Elite is launched.
See, it solves two problems that even 360 owners complain about:
bigger hard drive and hdmi port
As a 360 prem owner with VGA hookup, it doesn't matter to me or alot of current owners. This is the best bet for new 360 buyers.
Would I liked to have seen a price drop instead? HELL NO! I just bought mine 4 months ago and I wouldn't like that one bit.
-----but I know it is coming soon----
Besides MS has to be making money on this SKU right now because these features are "off-the-shelf" tech upgrades. They will wait until fall when Halo 3, IPTV, and the 65nm chips are in and then they will drop the price and sell, sell, sell.
I agree also i own both. The best thing to do is not buy it if you do not wan't it or think its a rippoff no one needs to hear the same sh*t over and over again.
#17 is one of the few people that have any sense in this thread.
Need or must have HDMI get an Elite, Need or or must have the 120 gig HDD get an Elite, Need or or must have HD Channels if you have an HDTV get an HD set top box its as simple as that.
I'v had people make fun of my silver DVR Set top cable box with folks saying whats the difference with the black one they owned and why it cost more to rent, I tell them its because its got features i want(older folks asked i kept it simple).
Ok, now, where are those horrible PS3 fanboys? I don't see them. There is not a single PS3 fanboy comment that can compare with anything TheMart and other Xbox fanboys say when it comes to PS3 related news. Oh, let alone bad news, like: "Top 10 Playstation 3 missteps" woohoo...just look at Thammer1 there. Unbelievable.
Its a good thing and a bad things more bad then good. Good for people who don't have one bad for people who own one.Yet the bigger Hdd benifits the core owners but not the premium ( Don't bite my head off just my opinion)
LOL TheMart is a saint compared to 80% of the hardcore PS3 fans. TheMart is personally attacked 24/7 i'v never seen TheMart attack fans. He's not even in here so what does that say about you. You would be eating crow if we were to compare spite spam posts, I bet you money.
( Don't bite my head off just my opinion)",we realize that!, to say the Elite is only good for people that don't have one is your opinion and at the same time makes no sense to me as a premium and an Elite owner.
The HDD will be needed for IPTV and unforseen addtions to XBL and sence IPTV will have tons of HD content(to watch and record and more) HDMI is the way to go for many, not to mention HD-DVD owners dig the Elite if you're a tech and movie buff.
Its kind of pointless picking the Elite apart you either wan't it or you don't. To say the Elite is pointless is to say half of what the PS3 is; is pointless aswell! except the 360 has more reason to be what it is(games, Movies on XBL Video market place, Movies on HD-DVD players, IPTV etc).
(((Quote)))): M$ greed and stupidity overwhelms me",-yah! and Sony has the same effect on the hole gaming world, Sony can have a HDD 5X's as big as the Elites what does it mater if there isn't anything to use up the space lol nor will there be considering nothing has been boasted about on the same level as what MS is doing.
What does: "You would be eating crow if we were to compare spite spam posts" mean? I'm not an American so I don't understand everything you guys say.
As for why I am here, I'm running an investigation haha, some boys accused this site of being an Xbox fanboy site the other day. Maybe you haven't seen those posts. And people often say that there are many PS3 fanboys attacking X360 news comments sections. I just want to see the truth for myself. Now, if you would be so kind to point me to some X360 news comments section where PS3 fanboys attack similarily to what X360 fans do at "Top 10 Playstation 3 missteps".
And to tell you something, I wasn't a fanboy but I think I'm becoming one. A PS3 fanboy, yes, I think I'll become one just because I see so many X360people attacking PS3 here that it makes me sick. And I like being at the side of the one being unreasonably attacked.
thats cause theMart enjoys the feeling of a warm stomach on his back ,
Considering you can fit any size hard-drive into the ps3, it makes the elites 120gb hard-drive look pretty insignificant. Also, they should never have increased the price. Why increase the price of a new SKU which does practically nothing new and still has the same noise problems and old hardware inside it? M$ greed and stupidity overwhelms me
lets see what $75 more gets you with an Elite:
-100g larger hard drive
-hdmi port (in addition to existing 360 port)
-an actual hdmi cable
-all black accessories(lol)
Considering MS is only recently making about $50 profit on the premium per console, If I do my math right, the cost of the new HDD, hdmi cable, and all new skins in black make the cost of the Elite for MS more than what they will sell it for.
when you have both 360 and PS3, you would have known which is true elite~ 360 HDMI is not even match with PS3 HDMI, 360 using older version of HDMI while PS3 using 1.3 (a newer version)
I don't want to get an elite yet, before MS confirmed that they will not release another stupid version of 360. But I will get another one if MS release a whole complete set of 360 with build-in wifi and HD-DVD.
now that's an elite (for me, I don't know about you guys)
and especially after see the youtube video of elite have a problem with dvd reading... oh now that I wouldn't do for another mistake of my first 360 release.
just at least, make one with build-in wifi. I don't believe people say they don't like wifi... well I'm using wifi for almost 3 years... and I'm so happy with it. except when I need to do some networking rendering, then I prefer to use a 1Gb LAN.
I like the black and green color thou.
If sony is the hd movie pushers and microsoft is known for the online service why did they not include the wi-fi i cant understand that move
because if you have your xbox 360 in the living room you could do downloading wireless and not have the lan wire trail
I know you can buy the wi-fi adapter at £70 but thats over priced considering a nintendo ds costs £99 and has built in wi-fi
I own all 3 consoles (Wii, PS3, 360) and i have a 65in 1080p Microdisplay DLP tv with 2 Hdmi inputs and i want to upgrade to the elite to get the full 1080p out of both my PS3 and my X360 especially since i have the HD-DVD add on for the 360 but after giving it much thought i decided to wait till they at least put the new chips in it so it'll run cooler and quieter. Even with the trade in value at my local games stores its still not worth it. I rent both Blu-ray and HD-Dvd from netflix but if the movie i want is on both formats i go blu-ray. Microsoft should have waited to release this when the new chips were ready or should have made it cheaper. All i want is HDMI for 1080p i have no need for the 120gb hard drive that comes with it. They should drop the existing premium and change it to the elite with a 20gb hard drive for the price of the current premium system and then i would get it right now.
i dont think its an error
if playstation doesn't exist bill gates probably would never know what a console was...but he saw that makes money too...and he try his luck...and now he only lost lot of them...why?
because sony is no mac...(that he get the ideas some years ago, yes i see biography channel too Mr Billy)...
M$ = sega...only good for make some games...but with much more money...
by the way enjoy the pic
to tell really. This is really jumping the gun if you ask me. But I don't have a good gut feeling about it. Too many sku's confusing the consumer. They just need to make a SuperXBox and get over with.
Silly with all these editions, like sedans. Same for SNE. Keep it simple and don't keep bringing different renditions of a recognizable product. Keep it uniform and neat, like the wii. Cheers.
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