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Patent Filed for Graphics Synthesizer Emulation on PS3?

Nofi from TheSixthAxis writes: Apparently Sony have filed a patent to emulate the Graphics Synthesizer using the Cell and RSX, unlocking the final barrier for full PS2 backwards compatibility on the PS3. Or, at least, that's what this looks like to my untrained eyes. You'll remember our earlier story regarding the Emotion Engine, but this is the real deal, with the patent demonstrating a method to emulate both the EE and the GS.

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Rainstorm812997d ago

Full backwards compatability for all and PS2 games on PSN. Forget the slim this will get more ps2 people to buy ps3's plus a price drop of course.

Raf1k12997d ago (Edited 2997d ago )

If Sony get the BC working this year I don't think it'll be released until next year sometime.

Edit: I hope I'm wrong and it's released this year since I'm really thinking about picking up a PS2.

himdeel2997d ago

...the PS3 slim with a price cut, backwards compatibility via software emulation for all SKU's, and release dates for GTA5 bundled with the slim at the TGS, if they were my company to run.

Otherwise I'll be keeping my PS2 hooked up in the den till then playing Sly 2.

mastiffchild2997d ago

I made sure I got a 60Gig with BC back in the day as our house is too small to keep more consoles than the bare minimum in the front room! My point here is why are Sony dragging their heels so badly over bringing it back in a cheaper form for every PS3?

I mean if it was part of the plan at the very start what changed their minds? Many of my later adopting mates have offered me their newer PS3's plus cash for mine so I do know it's something people actually still want-and I don't think that's ever changed. So why the big delay?

Darkeyes2997d ago

Wow... If this is true, then just imagine if all of these things took place at once...

PS3 slim+Price cut+GT5+FF13(Japan)+PS2 backward emulation..... That would be one hell of a day.

If this is true, then all Sony has to do is to Advertise and Educate.... I have a few friends who still think that PS3 has B/C... And I even know a few goon who think that PS3's can only play Blu-Rays and no DVDs... That is really ignorance which Sony takes for granted.... They should show people how the earlier model didn't have B/C (except the launch ones) and how great this will be as it virtually adds thousands of games in the PS3 roster.....

Come on Sony bring on Firmware 3.0.... B/C would be a great gift for PS2's retirement... Just celebrate PS2's retirement by this deed.

raztad2997d ago

@himdeel

That would be OVERKILLING. You want xbox sales be reduced to zero? :D I'm getting worried about the mental health of some xbox fans after the price cut.

BTW, I think Slim will be 400$, Fat 300$. GT5 wont be bundled nor FFXIII. BC is a must, I want to play some PS2 RPGs but I'm not interested in buying another console. Judging by PS classics sales on PSN, I'm sure Sony is interested in full BC on the PS3 ASAP. Software sales is what matter most and PS2 library is just HUGE.

Rainstorm812997d ago (Edited 2997d ago )

I know what you mean the ignorance is astounding. I even know people still saying the PS3 has no games which is of course laughable this isnt 2006.

Advertise/Educate should be key for sony right now. Show people on youtube, facebook, via the browser. Show the EyePet which is virtually Milo with more interactivity in 2009.

Personally i download movies and put them on my 320GB HD.......Show that you can replace the HDD and get 320GB for the price of the X360 120GB come on. Pros and Cons.

I guess that where a little bit of arrogance comes into play, they must think everyone knows about the system or they are just focused on the software to push consoles. Although they do advertise heavily on HOME

IdleLeeSiuLung2997d ago

This was filed in 2007 and we are in 2009. I'm hopeful, as this is my most requested feature, but as time keeps going the less likely it will happen.

Unless Sony is just trying to sell more PS2s... doesn't quite add up though.

jack_burt0n2997d ago

Totally agree with all of you, Playstation 3 advertising SUCKS.

This is my Ad:

Its the most upto date best selling HD Bluray/DVD player on the market.
Has built in Wifi for access to the free Playstation Network where Games are free to play and social services like Home allow you to meet up with your friends wherever they are in the world blah blah (4 the wife).
Built in 120gb hdd to store your favourite music, videos, tv shows etc.
Bluetooth built in for maximum compatibility with your wireless devices. Motion controllers as standard. Then run a minute clip of uncharted 2 and GT5. Some good BD movies.

There is plenty for them to milk but they dont do it!?!? ffs :P end the cryptic s##t!

FarEastOrient2996d ago

This patent was filed months ago and already stated on some podcast to boot, what it doesn't show is that the version of the European emulator on the PS3 already works and all is needed is the Graphics Synthesizer to be added.

@Jack

You should add this to the ad...

The PS3 also comes with support for HD and SD movie downloads that can be played on the PSP via wi-fi connection or transferred files. You are able to communicate via Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, BlackPlanet, etc. through the built-in browser function. You can also watch videos from Youtube, Google, and PlayOn through the browser and streamer that can be set up to the PS3.

You can also use Google Office, printer, doc Viewer, Paint, and other apps on the PS3 using the alternate OS feature. You can also use the alternate OS feature to play PC games like Starcraft, Command & Conquer, and others; while also able to play games from the N64, Genesis, Famicon, NES, SNES, and Xbox catalogs. (PS Please make sure you have a legal physical copy in your library before downloading.)

VTC or Virtual Teleconferencing is free when you use the PS3 camera, at the same time you can use the camera for video recording picture taking. Just like the camera that can be attached to the PSP but with more advance features like voice recording and tracking.

IdleLeeSiuLung2996d ago (Edited 2996d ago )

In Sony's defense, they have done an excellent job of:

a) instilling hype. I mean what other console has been able to cause fear in the competition and getting consumers to wait for your console to release. Just look at the Dreamcast vs. PS2.... Heck it happened with the Xbox 360 vs. PS3!

b) getting legions of fanbois to hype the PS to oblivion.

c) getting people to buy a console waiting for a game to release!

d) getting a brand name synonymous with high quality and sell overpriced electronics like TV's, Audio receivers, DVD players and etc.

None of the other console manufacturers have been able to do that. In my opinion, that is an extremely powerful marketing strategy that is extremely hard to replicate.

joemayo762996d ago

unlike the other story bout the EE, the GS has been the hurdle Sony has needed to overcome if the have, then i just may put some cash for another PS3 (slim possibly) so me and my bros can play MW2.

potential Gamescon announcement??? along with slim and price drop if so thats pretty HUGE

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jack_burt0n2997d ago

WOW thats a big deal, wish the pdf was still around want to know more!!

sorceror1712997d ago

The GS was the weirdest part of the PS3. It had only 4MB of RAM attached, but it had *huge* bandwidth to the system RAM. With most video hardware of the time, you'd put textures in the GPU's RAM, and access them from there.

But on the GS, you just couldn't fit all the textures there. So you'd stream them from system RAM. This made the PS2 hard to develop for, but once they figured out good techniques it worked pretty well. (Compare launch PS2 games to the later ones... wow.)

But it's damn hard to emulate. The PS3's current bandwidth is on a par with the old PS2's bandwidth, believe it or not, and that makes it hard to do all the extra stuff you need to do to emulate hardware effectively. If Sony's come up with a way to do that, it'll be impressive.

But my bet is that they won't actually have full BC. Based on the above considerations, I'm pretty sure that's close to impossible. They'll port some PS2 games (just tweaking the hard-to-emulate parts) and make them DLC instead.

freitox2997d ago

but they can emulate the graphics synthesizer, this is it! This was the only step that some people said it was "impossible" because of what you just said, they have done it, so ---> : D

jack_burt0n2997d ago

@sorceror171

Thats what I thought but that would not require the patent would it? this is a technique using spe's to emulate that speed of access the ps2 had i think, even now on pc architecture the ps2 emulation is awful.

sorceror1712997d ago

Talking about this? http://www.n4g.com/News-353...

That was for the *CPU* in the PS2, and I agree that's no big deal. They already did it for 80GB BC.

This story, however, is about emulating the *graphics chip* and that's a much bigger deal. See my reply above for why.

dirthurts2997d ago

they would be one in the same. Let's hope they get it rolling though. I've been really wanting to play Twisted Metal Black and Shadow of the Colossus.

-Mezzo-2997d ago

If this is whats happening then i must say WOW.

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