If the presales for the Xbox 360 Elite are any indication, Microsoft might have a serious seller on its hands. Although its name sake is only the second bestselling next-gen console, this bigger and better version is kicking up some real interest.
Question. Every 360 hardcore gamer that goes out and buys an elite to replace their 360...that counts as a new sale? And then people infer the install base has grown? What percentage of current 360 owners are going to buy it?
That's a good question but I'm not sure how we will ever get a solid answer. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think install base has always been figured on total consoles sold, whether some of those sales are previous owners or not. I mean obviously the PS2 was a huge success -its like what 110 mil or so -WOW, but most people(myself included) know that a small percent??? of those sales are from previous owners buying another PS2 for whatever reason, but its still contributes to the overall install base whenever fans, analysts etc refer to PS2 install base. -I think maybe they could try some polls/ questionaires, etc. of 360 owners but I doubt that would be very reliable for accurate numbers.
Yuh your right. Thing is it would only be a problem if software sales would suffer as the amount of consoles sold would not match the software sales as the install base would be quite a bit smaller...however the 360 has a very strong attach rate, that may well drop a little but it's still very high.
Hmm. It kinda makes you think about this "war" a bit differently when you think within the first year one console may be doubling up. Doesn't really make a difference as you said i guess.
LOL.... Do Microsoft make money? Ok, put it this way... All those people that purchased the DS and then later purchase the DS light does that cound as sells? uhhh.... ok.. let me try another one...
To all those people that replace their PS2 more than 2 times because of hardware failure... and then Sony came up with the PS2 thin version and people replaced their fat with the new one... do those count as sells?
Blade you don't need to be defensive. The question stands for all newly released skus. I thought it was interesting to talk about, yet some get a little too serious about their preference. Do gamers have pride marches for their preferred console? Wooo wooo ps3. Hurrah 360 *waves flag*
Deep from what I have gathered reading the forums of various
sites (as you know) its only 360 fans that plan on upgrading!
From now on I guess we should call the "elite" xbox 1.75 I think!
It realy is another sign of MS offering nothing realy new, but 360 fans
eating it up! It is sad I think that MS has to do this to try
and keep their sales numbers from flat lining!
MS has terrible sales numbers in both Europe & Asia , and aren't realy
generating new fans, so they have to milk their existing fanbase!
Well I don't know if looking at the net is the best thing to decide this, since it is clearly fans of the console who will be on gaming sites in the first place. And it's slightly put off tilt with FFVIIFan (below) getting one.
I'm not sure if it's that clear cut, but my impression was, was that this console was aimed towards the hardcore or "elite" gamer and that many were going to replace their console.
I expect i small minority. Allthough im not so sure.
Good thing I preordered mine on gamestop (just a couple hours before they stopped too :) ). Should be waiting for me on my doorstop when I get home from school tomorrow. Now with the sweet black 360 sitting next to my PS3 under my black HDTV, my gaming station is complete.
It's my guess only that probably 1 out of 4 are buying them to re-sell on ebay, hoping for a profit. Another 1 out of 4 are trading up simply because they have use for the bigger hard drive, or simply love the 360 to the point that they want the upgrade. Finally the 2 out of 4 are the people that have waited this long for a better version of the 360 itself.
I've been waiting for a better version and sure enough it came.
What kind of idiot would try selling a console (which as far as game is concern it's the same?). People did learn from trying to sell PS3 on ebay you know. also, I tell you.. you will see lots of XBox 360 on ebays (Premium) now that some people will try to get them replace. Anyways... expect microsoft sell charts to go high in the following months.
what did you learn from the ps3? that they went for 16k?
Sheep, thats who.
1 out of 2, 2 out of 3, 3 out of 4 who really cares??? Microsoft new what they were going to do 3 years ago when the original xbox was in the series. How in the %^*& do you come out with a redesign only 18 months after the systems initial release??? I can understand the DS lite, but i dont get the 360 reason. Well then again when you know your system is inferior then i guess you have to do that. re-designs and re vamping the console isnt going to save that systems butt in lets say a year from today when the PS3 will be fully awaken lol. Sony get that price down to the $499.99 mark and drop these killer apps.
The battle is really 360 VS PS3. Wii is in its own world because it doesnt have the power.
So with that being said it comes down to a couple things, American Developers and Japanese Developers. Well Im sorry to say but 360 will continue to suck in Japan, and PS3 will continue to dominate Japan, so as for the japanese developers in order to make a profit they will have to make the games on PS3 VS 360.
Then you have your EA's and what not that will be as neutral as possible...
So it will come down to 1st party games. THIS IS WHERE THE PS3 WILL KICK 360's ass.
360 is already at its limit with software, im sorry to say but after HALO 3 thats really going to be it for the system. PS3 will just be rolling come Feb 2008 and they have a massive library for 2008 that will be smashing 360 month after month. So believe what you want to believe but always remember to align the facts.
Sony will win europe as well, you should already start to see that trend turning in June with the Release of Singstar.
The Next generation truley will begin from June --------- on out
I completely disagree with this statement.
Ummm.. it's barley a redesign, black plastic, hdmi, hard drive, no smaller chip still as loud as a jet engine.
This is a direct response to the ps3.
1.Reason for new SKU(redesign)is totally obvious: MS has IPTV coming this fall. That is the reason for larger hard drive and HDMI.
--can you say TIVO that play games?--
2.Do you think that if Sony drops their price that MS won't? At least MS is actually making money on their machine as it is.
3.I don't consider 10,000 PS3's sold last month in Japan to be "dominating" anything.
4.Face it. Sony won't will not be the player it was last gen, but I am sure you will still be happy with what they have to offer.
I think you have PS3 tattooed somewhere on your body. You are the very essence of a fanboy.
1. Get a life
2. Get off PS3's D*CK, just stop riding it
3. Go jump off a cliff
Bigmac573 is an outstanding member of this community !
Keep up the good work Bigmac573 lol!
Where would it go on the cool wall? Because lets be honest, thats one of the biggest factors for sales for the general public... I can see people saying this is an *Elite* 360 with all the lil extras that the public would b looking for...............thats cheaper then Sony's ps3.
Look at it from a public view....
But where would it go on the cool wall?
lol nice one...
the question will be how reliable it will be?it has the same parts.
Xbox 360 elite lifespan last only 24/7.. don't believe why don't you try it.
if they released this with a special bundle when halo 3 launched, that would be the best bet.
Though its a rumor, it still is possible sony is releasing another ps3.
So who knows.
Bringing up Xbox Prem and core owners wanting the Elite lol.
PS2's suppoesed 100-million is also based on different versions of the PS2 Multi color, thin PS2s amoung other things. A sale is a sale defective units replaced by warrenties dont matter though unless your console broke after the warrenty which is not the case with next-gen consoles for the most part. I'm out!, the Play Offs are off and after the games i will hook up my new Elite.
Sony plans on releasing another sku with a bigger hard drive, so why are the PS3 fanboys hating on the 360? Plus Sony's stupid comment of a console lasting 10 years is ridiculous anyways. It's almost impossible to find a regular desktop that lasts 10 years of use, let alone a hard drive that can last that long.
hard drive on the PS3 can easily be swapped out and is much less expensive to do so vs the 360. MS is just milking peeps.
if Msoft releases a next gen console within 5 years, it will be designed to smoke the PS3. So I'm not sure if the PS3 will be able to last 10 years. It could force sony to make another console in 6 or 7 yrs instead of 10. Which would of course smoke msofts machine.
weekapaugh, thats true, but sony might be crazy enough to sell another one.
Why is it according to PS3 fans that every time someone buys a new PS2 or PS3 it counts as a sale but doesn’t count for the “360"?
What scares you PS3 fans the most the fact that the Elite might see 2 million console sales this summer or that the PS3 won’t?
The Elite will push the 360 lead over the computation even further and the PS3 will continue to decline.
There’s a new sheriff in town and its name is Xbox. Man I can see the fear in all the PS3 fanboy comments above. Guess what Sony fans that next gen lead the 360 has is getting farther and farther away from you.
Well there has been alot negative criticism of the Elite, which IMO was mostly unjustified but the fact is "some" previous owners WANT it and I'm sure many new owners are "jumping in" for the first time because they wanted a larger HDD and HDMI is attractive to them. -Either way I'm sure M$ will be happy from the positive news if it sells well....personally although I really like the 360, my premium suits my entertainment setup just fine, so I don't need an Elite, but I do want a larger HDD, since I'm interested in future IPTV stuff....however I'm still "pissed" because I think it should be cheaper, I have plenty of money for my videogame hobby but still its the principle.
In the end, I think both PS3 and 360 have alot of value if you're a big fan of gaming....but sometimes the simple answer can be the most accurate, so what if the simple answer is that your choice for gaming is the 360? -Hell M$ has said the Elite was primarily directed at new owners but I'm sure they knew a small percentage of "old" (hardcore)owners just have to have the latest thing....anyone can guess what the breakdown is for new vs existing owners but no one really knows.
all the xbox fangirls that are dumb will upgrade - therefore sells for the first couple of weeks it will do well - but after those girls buy their elite the sells will remain brutal.......i can almost promise u
the reviews that the elite has been getting EVERY! are brutal - every1 is saying not worth the upgrade.
and just like the old xbox360 - the dark clouds are over it - y u ask - because the 3 red rings of death is coming hahahahaha
ill be watching youtube closly 2 see the first post " my elite broke 3 red rings of death" lol
Wow, you can't spell worth crap. Second, if the elite does sell well beyond the first few weeks, are you just gonna shut up forever? Cuz that's what everyone here wants. Really, just close your mouth and keep it that way.
Even though I have a 360 premium and my other one burnt out I still ended up buying this online today at BestBuy. I swore that I wasn't going to do this and MS could go F#CK themselves because of my first system getting the ring of death, but I couldn't help it. I'm the type of person that needs to have the latest systems and decided to order one because of the extra feature like the HDMI and the 120gb harddrive and the color is not that bad either.
Now before PS3 fans get on me about this and say some type of stupid remark, I just want you guys to know I also have the PS3 and feel it is going to shine real soon with games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, Final Fantasy 13 and all the other great games that are coming out for the PS3. I just like the way the PS3 looks on my tv with the HDMI connection so I just wanted the same for my 360 experience. So please don't bash me for this purchase.
Even thought the elite does not offer too many differences from the other skus, it has one big difference that matters to me and that is HDMI. I have a Sony SXRD 1080p tv that only accepts 1080p over HDMI. I have sold my 360 premium and am awaiting the 4th of May for the elite to be sold in Canada. HD DVD movies in 1080P..SWEET!!!!!
i think its going to be interesting to see the sales of the Elite and the entire 360 consoles, especially in JAPAN!
Some will buy it cause not everyone has 360. Some will buy it because they want a better 360. Either way, it's going to sell well right now. It's new so all people who really want it will buy it. My question is how well will it be going 3-6 months from now?
1. The 360 is the favorite in North America over the Ps3
2. Nintendo owns Japan
3. Sony is leading Europe
Also i just wanted to pull this punch at whoever said the elite will have good sales for 2 weeks then drop off.
Kinda like the ps3 in all of Europe right what was that again like an 82% drop in sales the week after
I hope that punch was not directed at me. If it is not, then you have my apology in advance. If it is, here's my response.
1. I said 3-6 months. not 2 weeks.
2. I said that amount of time because in that amount of time it will prove wheather or not microsoft was correct that there was a demand for this version of the system.
3. And you're half right. That drop wasn't exactly limited to just europe. Everyone who really wanted it, bought it. The factor of price and lack of titles is why I believe it's not selling well after the launches. This system's only main concern is its price as there are plenty of games available for purchase right now.
Some of you are so totally wrong. "Microsoft are milking peeps" uh ok? How so? They're not forcing you to buy this new console...This is a direct response to Sony and 1080P through HDMI. Microsoft said 720P was the sweet spot, Sony tried to one-up them and say "Ha we can do 1080P" so Microsoft said "Ok so can we" than Sony said "Yea but only until digital distribution won't allow you to do 1080P through VGA" so Microsoft came back and said fine "F U Sony, here, here it is, 1080P through F'ing HDMI and it's black to boot, so now you have nothing to brag about" Microsoft is doing this so that their machine can every forseeable thing that the PS3 has, it's simple business. Their not twisting your arm, and their most certainly not making you buy this. If I wanted a black 360 I'd paint mine, spray paint is super cheap. This machine is only for people who have a 1080P TV, or for the guy sitting on the fence between PS3 and 360. Their taking any advantage Sony might have and their throwing it out the window. Yes somehow you can all skew this into some sort of bad thing, how?
every1 is like - well i will be buying one because of the HDMI...hmmm what system has had 1.3 since day one? oh thats rite PS3
u people fail to realize that PS3 is built for 7-10 years
MS is just starting to realize this..and when they do realize it they cant even get it rite 1.2 no trueHD lol like wtf??
i also know that ur add-on will be white as they are still making the add on like wifi HD DVD in black hahahahaa ur console is gonna look sooo ugly black and white ewwwwww and i can almost promise u that MS wont waste their money is making a black HD DVD drive as they know HD DVD is gonna so y spend money on it..
The 360 is the favorite in North America over the Ps3
2. Nintendo owns Japan
3. Sony is leading Europe
ya thats rite now - did u 4get MS has been out a year headstart? like u ppl always seem to 4get this hahahah and it was only after the 1st year xbox360 picked up - and the line-up for the end of the year for PS3 will do the same but just better
Wii is less then 300 bucks - i make that in a day lol and just like anything else in the world it will lose its hype and itll be done and it doesnt even count as a true contender...the xbox1 has more juice then it...
1)N.America - PS3
2)Japan - PS3
3)europe - PS3
by this time next year
and outlaw not to be rude or anything but just because u own a PS3 doesnt give u the rite to be a dumbass...like honestly ur other console broke down and ur going to go spend an extra 180 for the same system that will break on u again...id save that money and start building ur bluray movie collection
and enjoy the TRUE 1080P HD experince on ur HDTV
But some people will say spending even a penny on the PS3 is a waste of money. It's your opinion but it's my money so it really doesn't matter what you think.
I would love nothing more than to smack you across the face for being a retard.
that 1 yr start is just like the PS2 they were smart to do that, and msoft did the same thing. Could sony be getting a taste of its own medicine? Thats good if it is true, because it will make the PS3 better.
HDMI 1.3 yeah ok, tell me how many people will be able to use that instead of hdmi 1.2. Then again you're probably rolling in money so it would make sense why you would care.
Just because the PS3 is most powerful doesn't mean it will win. You can look to your own company for that evidence. That in NO WAY means the PS3 sucks but if anything its reminiscent of the xbox which isnt a bad thing btw, i actually liked the xbox. This generation it appears msoft and sony switched places in a # of ways.
sales, sony is behind, and they can sell a few million, but so will msoft. Both have some great games coming out that will sell both consoles. So really sony either will have to play catch up or basically tie with Msoft. However after halo 3, i think the PS3 will surpass the 360. So you are probably right there.
Before you go spouting off think. Look at other generation cycles try to find the correlation between them. You wont always be 100 percent correct, im not but gosh, thats the problem with fanboys. I personally like all three companies btw.
To bad the fall lineup for the 360 smacks the hell out of the PS3, and PS2 had a year headstart and no one held that against it, and it didn't have the best graphics, BUT GUESS WHICH SYSTEM STILL WON.
no i see
Sony isn't really winning in any market but europe has shown they love sony, but they don't have enough games to dominate the world again they've lost 4 major franchises to multiplatformness, DMC4, GTA4, Katamarie, RE5, they can't dominate with FFXIII and MGS4, they just can't
dreamcast was first.
and look how that turned out.
Sega pulled out, before the PS2 got really in because they couldn't afford to keep up, MS is a whole other behemoth
Why in the hell is this fanatic going off in here anyway? you think that garbage you're spewing is going to change people minds about MS's line-up and services.
I doubt the PS3 will just magicly catch up after Halo 3 releases theres tons of games coming besides other Halo games in the Halo universe. PS3 price drop and AAA after AAA will have to be released and its online will have to match XBL and thats only after years of catching up because if you think XBL is done offering the goods you have another thing coming and more.
Elite? It essentually has the same problems as the pro and core versions, and there have been reports that it has the 3 red lights as well. Only sheep will buy this.
I wish people would be more educated about HDMI. I dont need the elite because the hdmi wouldn't make a difference on my 34 inch widescreen.
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