Kotaku Writes...Every time Sony releases their quarterly earnings, they update their records to show exactly how many consoles and games have been sold to the public over the past few months. Let's take a look at the PS3 figures then, eh?
Thats a lot of software sales .
Yeah it sure is. It really shows you that it is the appreciation of the Yen that is really killing their profits. Of course losing $50 on every PS3 sold doesn't help. At least that will soon change with production cost down 70%.
Guess it's brand name. Now would be a good time to drop the price.
yes it is the time to announce a price cut, if there is no price cut announced i would be very disseminated even though i own a PS3. lol
what i want to know is.....since sony counts system sold to the public and according to kotaku ms and wii use shipped numbers, what do the real numbers look like? and more importantly how big is that gap between ps3 and 360 really? this is for those of you who didn't read the article. In 2006, Sony decided to start tracking how many consoles and games they sold all the way through to customers, not just to retailers (which is how most other companies record "sales"). It's an admirable practice, and one which gives us a very accurate picture of how the PS3 (and its games) are faring, since these figures have been available for the entirety of the machine's lifespan.
So they really do use sales to consumers instead of retailers... I always thought those were excuses XD It's very noble of them but they would be better of showing sales figures to retailers, they might have an extra million.
but u know what that means right 1-1.5 million more means that sony sold 25-25.5million consoles to date so unless the 360 is at 33 million shipped, it means that the ps3 is chipping away at that lead again, even without the price cut.
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Very true. Nice to see someone talking sense lol
Looking at software sales figures we can conclude that PS3 owners buy games. Can we? PS brand is really powerful. NA is the weak spot of PS3 sales, but it will be addressed with a proper price cut.
So i suppose some are coming to the conclusion that since Sony believes that it has SOLD 28.3 mil to customers that its shipped numbers surely be higher than that of the 360's shipped worldwide. But how much different could the numbers really be? is it significant? Think about it... Once a new (insert random store) opens, they stock the store with a supply of Wiis 360s and ps3s. Now, would the store continue to buy more consoles if they have not already sold the ones on the store's shelf? No! Once the store gets its first shipment in, all of the additional consoles shipped to that store would represent actual sales. You could compare it to pouring water into a cup until it overflowed. Once the cup has filled up, the exact same amount of water poured in (shipped) will be equal to the water flowing out of the cup (sales). Of course there will be some disparity between shipped and sold, but its significance weakens over time as the ever increasing amount of water flowing out of the cup makes the water in the cup look insignificant. I would also like to point out that Vgchartz.com shows the PS3 at 23 million... only .8 off of sony's estimate! People should stop using the "but thats only the SHIPPED numbers" argument.
I think we can all agree that the PS3 is doing pretty okay compared to it's closest competitor, and considering it's price.
@thetruthinator im sorry, but did you actually just use vgchartz to disprove something that Sony themselves said? And also, lets say store X opens up and has 20 ps3's and 20 360's. 10 ps3's are sold, while 15 360's are sold. Sony says they sold 10 ps3's. MS would say they sold 20 360's. ------ the actual # sold to retailers isn't really big enough to pass the 360, but it really closes the gap greatly. Lets say every gamestop, bestbuy, and walmart in the world had 20 ps3's in stock. That's over 300k consoles on shelves with these 3 retailers alone.
that the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 in the same period of time? The reason that the 360 have more console is that it came out a year earlier. I hope the fan boys will leave sale figure to the analysts and share holder and play games instead.
It was a mistake mate was i wanted to say was (Disappointed). :)
You guys are beyond stupid if you think that Sony knows how many ps3s are sold in every store around the world.
Obviously you didn't read the part where it said "which is how most companies record sales". Now you can realize who the "beyond stupid" one is!
I hope sony gains their ground back.
Your right Chrisnick, we always hear about this 'massive' gap between ps3 and 360, but it is only Sony who announce 'sold' numbers. so, do we add a couple of million to bring it to 'shipped' numbers..?? I really think the gap isn't as big as people think, and if you consider the difference in price and the 1 year head-start that's pretty impressive I say.
:) every thing else will work itself out.
Interestingly its been the perception that the ps3 is lagging behind... PS3 is doing just fine, the 360 had 1 solid year of no competition (forget the Wii) when the economy was good. PS3 is keeping up with the 360 despite its hefty price tag and the recession we are going under... thats says loads about the promise that the ps3 holds. Its the media which has been simply ignoring the truth to please the 360 install base for hits. Sony are a bunch of IDIOTS who cannot control the half truths that the media uses against the PS3... see how well MS kept down the whole issue of RROD...
According to VGCartz at this point in its life cycle Xbox 360 was at 20 million units. So PS3 is 4 million up. All this while costing so much more, its remarkable.
@KingsofOmega Yes that is almost completely true... but by Vgchartz numbers (which you quoted) it is actually 22,996,000 Ps3 to 20,060,000... you fibbed a million! So Sony is doing well. I dont think they are doing as well as they would like though. They need to be blasting M$ out of the water and selling much more than they are now. I think that each 360 that is sold is one less potential customer for Sony to use to catch up because most people wont bother to buy 2 gaming consoles.
Real Gamers would own all consoles
I guess "real gamers" have 20 hours a day to devote to video games and forgo the silly things like jobs, children and a life!
This gen, if Sony gained anything from losing grounds would be the first party dev. studio. They will pulled their own weights and showed the 3rd parties to shove it. More ppl can enjoy 1st party hopefully
I'm pretty confident that most people who bought the amazing PS3 exclusives will agree that they are better/have higher quality than their multiplats counterparts (e.g. Uncharted vs TombRaider, Motorstorm vs Fuel, KZ2 vs COD-->ok maybe not everyone will agree :p ) I do have 1 or 2 idiotic friends though, who insist on playing only sequels of well-known ps2 franchises. Note that they don't care about reviews or demos, they are just stubborn. Hope there aren't many like them out there
Did you seriously just compare Uncharted (great game) to TombRaider-something (lame since 10 years ago)? If Uncharted was here he would kick your a$$ for putting him in the same category!
i guess i agree with you.
of the onslaught of financial news lately
lol, well said
Isn't this something that happens every three months as financial data for the previous quarter gets released? Shouldn't last long I don't think
To Come Along all Gay and Dumb With Their Fake Sale's Figure's for Their Flop of a Console
So basically the 360 its over 9 million ahead of sony when they were only 4.5 million and that means that the gap has double since its introduction. The flopstation, just like nelson M just suck. An indication of poor sales its the achievement of poor loosers in the gaming market. 189 million software sales from sony? Wow thats really a pathetic number, which means that the hallo, gears and forza combined are the same number as the entire sony software sales combined. The flopstation 3 its truly the dreamcast of this generation, no doubts about it. The most glorify sales point coming from sony are the fantards that dont buy games for their delicious black plastic god.
@nlvwithgms the XBOX360 is actually only 7.6millions ahead don't know how you got the 9million
Because the 360 numbers are massively inflated. In the supposedly 30-31 million 360 sales, is also included: - Replacement sales of the 360 (for RROD, ERROR74, DISCSCRATCHING etc); - Shipments to retailers as opposed to genuine sales to CONSUMERS; That is why the XBOX LIVE numbers MATCH the PSN numbers almost exactly. It is because the real install base is maybe only 1-2 million ahead of PS3. If you would take away the replacement sales and count sales to consumers only, you would come to a number thats only 1-2 million ahead of the PS3. And this is why the MS didnt brag about their "sales" at E3 2009. Because they know there is nothing to brag about as opposed to last year, the year before last year and the year before that.
Spin baby spin, hope this helps you sleep.
"- Replacement sales of the 360 (for RROD, ERROR74, DISCSCRATCHING etc);" Microsoft doesn't count any repairs as sales. What are you talking about ? And the xbox 360 has a 3 year warranty .
Thats not even the tip of the iceberg of MSs book manipulation. They have a massive history of manipulating the numbers. Period. And I dont give a FUDGE about your 3 year warranty (which for the original 9 million first year 360 owners have already expired lmao). Edit: xbot, I dont give a fudge whether you heard it before or not. And I dont give a fk about 3 year warranties. The bottomline is that 360 is done.
huh ? Show me some proof on this matter. This is first time im hearing this . Can you give me a link ?
No, he cant give you a link. A repaired console is not a new console. So I'm not even sure why he's trying to bring that into this.
who had their XBOX 360's broken, they went out and simply bought a new one, thereby inflating the "new sales" number because those customers are actually not new. There's probably some truth in that.
Dude...come on. We both know no link will be provided. He is just trying to spread FUD. EL BOTTO has to stand on a chair just to raise his IQ, you actually think he knows how to research and find out answers over the internet all by himself. It's one of the classic SDF tactics. They have run out of RROD comments since the greater public is still not faized that they still buy 360's and the SDF can't explain it so they make up lies to mislead the unaware gamers.
"There's probably some truth in that" yeah, and all xb!tches know it very well but they don't brag about it on n4g. they want more con victims to join the club, it makes em feel better about themselves: if you're screwed, it actually sooth the pain to surround yourself with more screwed people like you
LOL 3 disagrees and still no link proving MS uses refurbished consoles in total consoles sold...LOL @ persistantthug - so MS and Sony shouldn't count people that own more than 1 console? How would they be able to keep track of that, and what if there are more than just one person in the home? And so does that mean that the PS2 was not as popular as critics make it out to be since there were so many problems with the PS2 that people actually had to buy new ones several times in its generation. It's just plain stupid to even think about determining who is actually a user of the product and not owning multiple products. Companies don't track how many consoles per home, they calculate systems sold to the public. And that is what the Market share is based on. Nintendo, Sony, and MS ALL have customers that have more than 1 of the same consoles in their homes. Don't be ridiculous. And would any SDF member PLEASE supply proof that MS uses refurbished consoles in their overall sales numbers...cause you all sound so unintelligent every time you try to use that excuse as to why the PS3 is still in 3rd.
dude stop acting stupid cause i think that mayb ur not all that stupid cause the guy clearly stated that the rrod'd xbox's ,when replaced for free are counted by MS as a sold console that's the gist of what he said not if u buy another 360 ofcourse that's counted as for proof i dont think u can find any but i definitely think u can find clues left behind or something like that cause MS wont leave it lying around. try and sort ur head straight yea.. :) bubbles for u elbotto
How is it proof if there no proof to back it up ? lol?
Isnt that where the 360 was last year? So Sony is selling just as fast as 360 with a higher Price tag? Makes you wonder what will happen when they cut the price and come out with the slim.. How bad will MS look if Sony passes them with a year headstart and higher price tag (in the the begining)??
The PS3 wis cheaper. So did millions of fanboys. So what is it cheaper or more expensive? For the sake of spinning sales numbers it is more expensive.
I wouldn't argue that it's cheaper, but that it offers more value, more bang for your buck. But cheaper just means has the lower price tag, and the PS3 certainly doesn't have that. The 360 is the cheapest. It's entry point is literally HALF the price of the PS3's entry point. OK, so when you get the PS3 you get a hard drive, blu-ray, wi-fi, all the bells and whistles like that, and you also get free online for life. When you get the 200 dollar 360, you get none of that, and you'll have to pay periodical fees to play online. But let's be real here, if I'm looking at commercials for games like Call of Duty and Madden, very popular multiplatform games with all sorts of gaming audiences, and you can play them on a 200 dollar 360 or a 400 dollar PS3, a lot of people are just going to see that price on the 360 and think that's the one for them. Then it becomes a question of add-ons. Maybe they decided on the 360 because they could get it for 200, but then the salesman upsells them to the Pro model with the hard drive, and a year long Xbox Live account, and a play & charge kit, and hey, what do you know, you're spending about 400 dollars on a 360. They don't even consider the notion at that point that I can pay this same amount and get the same exact features on a PS3 but without having to pay the online fee again next year, and with wireless support for the internet, and with a blu-ray player. They're already in the process of being rang up for that 360 and those all bells and whistles, they made up their mind on the 360 back when they saw the 200 dollar arcade price. The PS3 is now gone from their mind. That entry point price is psychologically VERY effective, and that's why your common consumer doesn't see VALUE, they just see the 360 as the cheapest system.
in short... ps3 = great value for money however to the average consumer the 360 would 'appear' to be cheaper + for basic play they don't need a lot of the add ons that the more 'hardcore' 360 owners have to buy such as wi-fi
Millions...? Now what on earth are you baseing that on? When will it stop... When will silly fanboys like 'Funky Town_TX' stop making baseless generalizations from what five people on the internet have said?
@ Funky It's not that difficult to understand. You purchase a console, and which has the higher price tag? Then you purchase the peripherals and subscriptions necessary so both systems are capable of doing the same things, add everything up and which is more expensive? Is it really that difficult for you to grasp, or are you up to some spinning of your own?
Well for one, the average person looks at the price tag and believes that is what they are paying for the console, and so people see the cheaper console, cause they just want to play games. Also the price of the 360 is more expensive over time, so you don't have to buy everything right away for it. The PS3 just comes with most of it all.
Actually the 360 is Cheaper but the PS3 is Less Expensive, I said this before :)
lol i would have laughed my ass off if sony did a "mac vs pc" commercial but with playstation vs xbox! :D
remember this is sold to customers so that means you should add about 2-3 million to that number to get an estimate at what in retailers. So 24 million with all the FUD agaisnt it, tough economy double the price. I thing we should all stop worrying about the ps3 is doom because it clearly isnt. PLus don't forget its only going on it's third year and 2 and a half in Europe. So by next march expect it to top 30 million. What a beast this console.
I thought it was Sony's second year, it's M$ third year, I can be wrong though. Whoever thought Sony was doom in the first place is pretty dumb.
Its going to finish it's third year in november. It came out novemeber 2006 and we are going in november 2009. Europe however only got it in march of 2007 because it got delayed so the 3 year mark for them will be next march. Think about it xbox has been available in all territories since novemver 2005 and is gonna finish it's 4th year on the market and hasn't even sold 40 million consoles yet despite the year head start and all the media backing. SO tell me who is selling worse at half the price? That's not even 10 million consoles a year.
good to see Sony doing well considering it's more expensive . and @ Nelson grow up your just as bad and retarded as the bots Ha Ha
@ddogg2007 ok I got ya
So what are xbox 360 Life TIme Sales ?
It's either 30.8 million or 31 million. But those are shipped numbers, i.e. "Sold" to retail. Only MS knows the actual sold to consumer numbers. But I wouldn't be surprised if the actual sold to consumer numbers are in the 27-28 million range.
Lifetime to Date Hardware Sales Worldwide Nintendo Wii - 52.6 million Xbox 360 - 31.4 million PlayStation 3 - 23.8 million all of those are shipped..thanx
Actually, only the 360 and Wii's are shipped. The Ps3 numbers are sold to consumers. As per the article and Sony's own financial sheet. They very publicly stated, over a year ago, that they were only counting sold rather than shipped. And that that any numbers released were "sold" units. Now, that's not to say they don't count shipped, especially for internal data review. But any number released is "sold" numbers. If they were shipped numbers, it would be a little higher than 23.8 million. There is a difference.
@ N4PS3G: Do us all a favor and read the article before commenting..."thanx"
N4PS3G self owned.
@N4PS3G do yourself a favor and be a fanboy of all systems. Plus, this is Kotaku we're talking about here -they're generally not in favor of Sony. For them to state that Sony started counting sold to consumer numbers in 2006 must mean it's a fact they can't spin.