Xbox 360 Elite vs. Xbox 360: the test

Engadget had a few hours with the Xbox 360 Elite wherein they done nothing but test it against the most rigorous (unscientific) means at their disposal.

[masterg]

Don't get my MS didn't wait till they had the noise/heat problems solved.
Doesn't sound like its any better than the old one. Just more hard drive space.

[snoop_dizzle]

i don't really need it.

My 360 has been running fine and the games look good as well.

[tehcellownu]

did they motivate the xboxfanboys to buy a overprice 120gb drive.lol.no difference ? Hdmi and 120gb is somethin different alright but what inside the 360 is the same..im guessin more red of lights of death to come..yay for elite owners..

[gta_cb]

just woundering, does making yourself look like a complete tw@t make you feel better? i am an XBox 360 owner, i use it alot and it NEVER overheats freezes etc so what you got to say about that?

just dont understand why you fanboys have to try and start arguements all the time, and incase your woundering i think the PS3 is great especially with the folding@home but i leave my PC doing folding@home and with the great line up of games for the 360 im not going to look into buying a PS3 until christmas time, or after depending if i get into Halo 3 to much lol

[darthkojima]

^ are you sure about that?

Xbox 360 lifespan last only 24/7 tested already.

[Evil Rant Monkey]

I hate those "red of lights of death". I hear they make you retarded.
The Elite is in all reality nothing special compared to a regular 360, but when it comes to gaming id choose it over the PS3 any day. There's not one game i've played on the PS3 that i've enjoyed over any of my 360 games (that includes Sneak King). I think it may be that controller though. There's just something that's different when i wrap my paws around it.

[Sexius Maximus]

Because the Elite is no better then the Premium, it just goes to show that a "true" next gen system DOES NOT need a HDMI cable. A component or VGA is just as good. All you Sony defenders are now saying HDMI makes no difference to attempt to bash the Elite, but that, in turn also bashes the PS3. Both systems are great in their own way...can't we all just get along?

[Bonsai1214]

meh.. it was expected (like the article said).

i agree with #1. they left most of the problems in, and made a few slight improvements

[gta_cb]

well this article has deff helped me, i am going to stay with my premium :D with me getting my own 32" HDREADY (with HDMI) tv 2morrow i will deff be using the component HD but as its 32" not something stupid like 50" i dont need it. as for the 120GB HDD i am going to wait until IPTV and video marketplace (the full lot) is available to the UK (without making an american account ;) hehe) then when IPTV is out i will be making my decission then. i expect as will alot of people with the ability to download show/movies in SD and HD oh and btw i hope IPTV is free as i am a GOLDmember :D

oh and alot of points in this article are good, so read it if your woundering about getting one, the last part made me laugh though

"Then again, if you're truly "elite" then all the stuff we just said really doesn't matter, and you're probably gonna buy this thing anyway."

haha! yeh there will always be people like that.

although my 360 works completely fine and i do use it ALOT, it NEVER overheats doesn freeze etc, but with the reports of the "red ring of death" i would like to have the new XBox 360s with the 65nm chip, then i will be completely happy :D

[snoop_dizzle]

but instead of component cables, use vga, it looks a lot better.

at least on my computer monitor.

[Boon Tarkas]

But why buy a 32inch HD? Dude, save up. It just won't cut it, as far as impressing friends and family. Every time you go somewhere where there's a bigger set you end up kicking yourself, and when you do get home your tv will look even smaller.

If do go that route stick with component and save $90 on an HDMI cable. Your sets size wont warrant the expense.

Sorry dude. I just dont want you to amke a purchase you'll later regret.

I have bought a 52 inch LG. DLP LCD and it is the best investment I ever made.

[JIN KAZAMA]

what a waste of space the Elite is. Its still not even comparable to the PS3. Next year, the xbox 360 Super-Duper Elite model, the only upgrade will be, built in Wi-Fi for an extra 150 dollars!!
and Power of Green, TheMart, and TopGamer will be first inline buying it and saying, wow, LOOK AT ALL THE CHOICES THEY ARE GIVING UP, WE NOW HAVE ALL FOUR 360's, THANKS MICROSOFT.

[Why o why]

lol

[Lyberator]

and its such a wonder why all your comment bubbles are gone.

[TheMART]

Wrong!

I am sticking with my white Premium, don't like the black Elite. Won't buy it. As the article point out, HDMI doesn't make the difference. I don't need more then 20 GB because I don't keep every tiny winy bit of trailer/demo that I have downloaded once.

Thus, your comment is totally useless. However you want to see it, MS still offers you choice. You don't have to buy the Elite. You can buy the core. You don't have to buy the core, you can buy the premium.

With Sony it's like this: Let's push our BluRay into our gamingconsole to pushmarket a videoplayer over the heads of gamers. Now that's nice, ain't it?

[Bill Gates]

You forgot to add Bladestar to that list of losers...HAHAHHAHAHA
what a chump he is.

Man i tell you, the people who fell for this elite sh!t are really stupid. Didn't they know that nothing inside the console has changed. The 360 will go down in history as one of the worst console strategies, as well as one of the worst console hardware. That's a FACT!!

Seriously the thing sux ass!!

[schnodder]

your jealousy of the ps3 is so obvious. why don't you just say you want one?

[THAMMER1]

The PS3 is selling a second rate console with no games and the games that are available are not appealing at all.

[dantesparda]

The 360 is selling a second rate console with no games and the games that are available are not appealing at all.

[ChefDejon]

the point of the ELITE system. to just get ur money .excisting Xbox 360 owners arent even getting the shaft on this sku, they are getting shafted on the 120gb drive. there is only two things upgrade on the elite HDMI thats version 1.2, and 100 more gigs was that really truly needed. wait and there the iptv capabilities built in. ( I wonder will you need to buy something to use iptv because why they advertise Iptv capabillities built in).

[Grown Folks Talk]

is that iptv functionality will be part of the spring or fall update. the capabilities are already incorporated into the elite, but the service won't be up and running until this fall or winter anyways.

[Eternal E 808]

how is the elite here to take your money? if its only $80 more than the premium 360 if you ask me its cheaper because the old HDD still cost more than how much more you have to pay for an elite.

[snoop_dizzle]

you don't have to buy it.

Its an option

[Bill Gates]

"it's an option" ^^^

that's the funniest thing i've heard in a while.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wake up brother don't be so dumb.

EDIT: bellow me........."i like the black case"

hahahahahahah way too funny.

[frostbite06]

HAHAHAHA

EDIT: Your a douche bag!!

[caffman]

You sir are an idiot. I would wait for you to reply but you can't can you. The elite IS an option. In the UK we will have 3 options for the 360. With the PS3 we have 1. For the price of a PS3, I could buy a premium and a core 360. And before you say anything about the games on the PS3, I've played one and was sooo unimpressed. And my mate has already lent his out as he really doesn't like it and prefers HD-DVD to bluray (the only reason he brought it).
So, since you have only one bubble, why not use it by saying something constructive instead of this load of tripe you are coming out with.
Snookums.
Caffman

[razer]

You are definately in the top 5 idiots on this site.

Explain to me how it's not a choice??

I can't wait to hear it!

[thatdude]

i like the black case

[TheXgamerLive]

First off, the drive is much much much quieter than the older Xbox 360 models, I'd say atleast 75% quieter. I have a model w/the newer drive and I barely notice it's on and is infact quieter than the ps3 and the Wii. There was even a model test on this site about 30 days ago that said the same thing.

People are friggin idiots on here.
The Xbox 360 elite is the same model as the other 2 360's, except that it's offered more features for those that want it, but it's never said to be a better system, it's only added a few features, mainly a 120gig hard drive for those that want it and a couple other updats but don't go expecting a new and improved Xbox 360. 1080p is already being done by all 3 systems so no differences there, cept HDMI for the few that have it. I mean it's fantastic as it is.
There's nothing better and will never be until the future next gen Xbox console comes out in say another 4 yrs.

Now with all that being said I'll be getting an Elite since I have an HDMI capable LCD and I'll give my other Xbox 360 premium to my nephew.
He only has a Wii, so he's loving it.

[Adamalicious]

You clearly do not have a PS3. My 360 sits right next to my PS3 on top of my component rack. It is easily 10-20 times louder. I can always hear the 360 running over the sound of the game running through my 1000+w 5.1 system whereas I can't even tell that my PS3 is running unless I take a second and listen for it - with the sound muted.

At our house we jokingly call the 360 the "vacuum cleaner" - it is hands down the loudest system I've ever played, and I've played most all of them since the 2600 etc..

[Inasid]

http://www.destructoid.com/...

[IPlayGames]

"The Xbox 360 elite is the same model as the other 2 360's, except that it's offered more features for those that want it, but it's never said to be a better system,"

The word ELITE implies thats its gonna be better.

[Frulond]

LMAO!
thanks a lot for the link I had a good laugh at the white vacuum cleaner there xD

[techie]

The sound thing surprises me...like the lack of TrueHD sound...is that because it's HDMI 1.2 and not 1.3?

Ps. it's cheaper to buy the elite than buy a premium and then the 120gb addon right...if so, that's good for new consumers.

[Kyur4ThePain]

is indeed the reason for no true HD sound.

[IBLEEDBLU]

JIN KAZAMA - LOL!!! funny post

XGamer - LOL! your funny to saying the xbox360 produces less noise then the PS3 & Wii lol and im sure u know this because u own one....RITEEEEEE!!

even tho some1 that has hands on with the system pretty much telling u its worthless ur still grabbing one hahaha it just amazes me how ppl can spend stupid money like this then turn around and say oh the PS3 price is way 2 much

this is just further proof that i have been rite all this time - hands on = FACT!

[Saint Sony]

Same goes with PS3, many has it, many says it's worthless and ridiculously expensive...and still you bought it. LOL

[One]

before i read this i was going to
get an elite but unless my premium
breaks again im keeping it,
yeah i think the elite is more for
people that dont have a 360 yet
ill just buy a 120 gig by itself
i think i can live without the elite,
for now lol

[snoop_dizzle]

um if you actually read my posts you'd notice that I'm not actually buying the elite because i don't really need it.

This is good for new customers.

Since my 360 is working fine i don't need to upgrade.

[power of Green]

I have always said i want the console for the deal on the HDD and the black color when have i hyped its HDMI capabilities?. I have always said HDMI took work for me to tell the difference on my set top box, everbody alread knew HDMI was over hyped!, folks want the black console with the HDD(and i'm sure some want the HDMI hook up option). Hell we've been looking at 360 vs PS3 pics for ever and even doning personal tests with the PS3 getting its ass handed to itself despite Component vs HDMI.

Why have Sony fans become so rabid lately?, is it fear of whats comming? or the two fanbases growing even further apart).

Thanks alot "BILL GATES" i never knew i made your most hated list you're not alone.

Remember MS tried to keep this on the downlow and the only people hyping this thing up was Sony fanatics and a couple of angry 360 fans but mostly fearful PS3 owners we will see plentey of comparison threads all saying different things but for the most part, this thread only brings up what we already knew.

[lil bush]

well thats something they should have fix........

[calderra]

I don't need the bigger hard drive.
I don't need HDMI.
I don't need HD-DVD.
I don't need built-in wifi, as I already own a Belkin router for that.
...and I'm damn glad I didn't have to overpay for any of that.

[artman]

I guess I'll just wait for 360 Platinum...

[artman]

I guess I'll just wait for 360 Platinum...

edit:
Platinum with silver cases ^_^
Built-in WIFI
HD-DVD drive
Price : $599

[FFVIIFan]

I'm really disapointed they didn't switch to the 65mm chips. It would have helped a bit with the heating. Because of that, really the only people who have a justifiable reason of wanting the Elite would be download and store junkies who don't have a 360 yet. (or if you really just want the cool black finish)

[NextGen24Gamer]

They compared the elite to the premium on a small 1080p tv. Its already been stated that you can't see the difference from 1080i to 1080p unless you are using 56 inch tv's and up.

Secondly...they only spent and hour comparing. They self proclaimed that it wasn't an official comparisson. And with that said they did notice a difference on Gears of War in that short period of time on a smaller 1080p tv. I would assume that if you are comparing on a 61 inch tv the difference would be much more noticable.

Thirdly....True HD audio is an enhanced dolby digital. Your amp won't say True HD when you selct the setting on your HD dvd movie. SO, that tells me they know little about True HD. You do hear a major difference when you switch your movie to "True HD" on the 360 compared to just regualar dolby digital. I have done it myself and once you hear Ture HD on your 360 hd dvd movie...You won't ever go back to dolby digial or Dts. Your amp will only say Dolby Digital but you can hear the major difference.

Fourthly....Its still just an option. And its "ONLY" a good deal to those who want a bigger hard drive and or HDMI output.

For me its perfect. I know I will see a difference on my 61 inch 1080p tv. And the bigger hard drive space is great as well.

Wait for "real" thorough comparissons come out. Not one hour self admitted casual comparissons.

But, the funny thing is....A premium xbox 360 via componant looks much better "for Games" than a ps3 via hdmi. But, a 360 hdmi looks better than a premium 360 "on 56 an up 1080p tvs"....So does that mean the Elite just blows the ps3 out the water by a rediculous margin? Just a question. Its already a fact proven comparisson after comparisson that the premium 360 out performs the ps3 thus far....WOW...interesting indeed.

[xfrgtr]

"We can now definitely confirm that despite its HDMI output, the Xbox 360 Elite still doesn't enable advanced codec support (like Dolby TrueHD). You still have the same three options as you had before: digital stereo, Dolby Digital 5.1, and DD with WMA Pro. When we played back an HD DVD with TrueHD audio (Batman Begins), it just stayed on DD5.1, nothing else happened. Bummer. But again, that's what we were expecting." http://www.engadget.com/200...
Here is your stupid answer:
"Thirdly....True HD audio is an enhanced dolby digital. Your amp won't say True HD when you selct the setting on your HD dvd movie. SO, that tells me they know little about True HD. You do hear a major difference when you switch your movie to "True HD" on the 360 compared to just regualar dolby digital. I have done it myself and once you hear Ture HD on your 360 hd dvd movie...You won't ever go back to dolby digial or Dts. Your amp will only say Dolby Digital but you can hear the major difference.
Microsoft really thinks that his customers are stupid and we have a perfect example,Elite Gamer.The Xbox 360 Elite still doesn't enable advanced codec support (like Dolby TrueHD)DUMBASS!!!!

[razer]

Like someone who is trying to justify his purchase of the Elite.

I have a 61" DLP 1080p TV and with my PS3 via HDMI and my Xbox via VGA there is no visual difference to my eyes.. I think it depends on your TV and it's input if not more than the fact it's HDMI. Glad it works for you.. But as a Premium owner I would feel like a sheep if I got taken for an Elite.

[Mr Murda]

If you don't have a 360, and you've got an HDTV with HDMI then this is the way to go. That's what the ELITE is out there for. It's not "meant" to be marketed to people who already have a 360.

The $400 Premium system is worth it, obviously, for the excellent system, wireless controller, headset, XBL Silver, great games, demos, trailers, pics, XBL Arcade, 20GB HDD, and all connecting cables for analog and digital connections. All of that is included when you buy the Premium.

Now, for $80 more you get all of that and HDMI input, 120GB HDD, AND an HDMI CABLE. That's some serious value, if you ask me. Although it would have made it uber good if it had the built in wi-fi.

Before the fanboy crusade begins... I do have a PS3 60GB, which is also an incredible value. You get a 60GB HDD, wireless controller, wifi, PSN, and a Blu-Ray drive (regardless of who wins the HDDVD war, the Blu-Ray drive is great...so is the HD DVD player on 360). The big disappointment when you open the PS3 box is that you get just basic RCA cables to connect. :(

The point is that the ELITE is a good deal. Just like the PS3 is, and even the Wii. They are all great for good VALUE (what you get for the money). These are all quality products that provide great entertainment that are well worth the money.

[kornbeaner]

I guess all in all it's a minor improvment, but if you don't have an Xbox and were thinking of getting one this should help you.

I would say if the core system stays around buy a core and then buy Component cables and top it off with the 120 GB HDD and it will but you in the same price range. But if you go with a Refurb core system you can get a better price on the whole package, that probley what i'll do later when I feel I want one.

[Funky Town_TX]

Did you see that shot of GOW?

[duckman2470]

Most of you would call me a MS Fanboy because I have been on XBL since beta and have had both systems Prior to launch. G-Tag "SECRETzSQUIRREL" However unlike most I will tell you straight out exactly the way it is. The 360 is like a $500 Disposable lighter,(depending on how much you use it , the quicker it will die) never in my life have i ever seen such a high failure rate with any electronic Device, heck even E-machines last longer. But the worst part is MS does not back up there product, instead they keep sending out defective replacements until your warrenty is up then charge you for repairs. Ohh and dont try to cancel your Gold Membership because after 120 days of inactivity on any reverted silver account they erase it from there system which means if your 360 is dead after 120 days your screen name (account)is gone along with all your Paid XBL content (games , maps etc..) and If you ask to have your credit card removed they tell you your account could be erased within 7 days.
I have gone through 2 system and have friends who have a warrenty going on there 10th. The bottom line is as time goes by more and more people start to realize that its a losing battle and jump ship. Most will buy a PS3 while others like myself just switch back to PC gaming.
MS really screwed the pooch on this one. I give it another year before its clear to the world that Sony is the the only way to go.
Like I said MS had it in the bag but Screwing over your customers and charging more for basicly the same system with Glue holding the GPU instead of fixing the Defect will drive the 360 and its customer base into the ground.

[duckman2470]

For those of you that have 3-red lights Now, Check out the Hardware Forums at Xbox.com and read the "Your input on whats causing some updates to brick 360s" Thread. It Includes our findings, tests done and how to Fix the 3-red lights yourself which includes Pictures and videos.
The bottom line here is that inorder to correctly fix this defect the 360 Case needs to be better ventilated and the heatsinks replaced with water cooling.
The HeatGun Method also works and is allot easier to perform however the problem will end up returning a few months down the line, if your lucky the system could last another year.

[NextGen24Gamer]

I own a Ps3 and 6 xbox 360's. I have my Elite paid for in FUll and I'm just waiting until Sunday to get my 120 gig, HDMI, Black xbox 360.

I haven't had "ONE" xbox 360 go bad. I'm not saying they don't go bad. But, I can honestly say that either I have had some amazing luck or what MS has been saying is true. The 360 has a normal breakage rate for a "new" console. There are over 11 million consoles sold to date. And 3% of that is 350,000 broken consoles. So while yes thats a lot of consoles....When you put it in perspective its normal. And the good thing is MS realized that extending the warranty to a year was the only fair thing to do.

Me personally, I always buy extended warranties when I buy electronics that cost over 300 dollars. Its pretty much common sense. The good thing about the extended warranty is it only costs 50 dollars and it covers you for 2 years after the one year MS warranty. Thats 3 years covered for only 50 dollars. I did the same thing for my Ps3, My Tv's, My computers, My Camcorder, ect....You get the idea. The 360 is not a toy folks. Anything that costs 400 dollars isn't a toy. Buy the warranty and enjoy the best of Next Gen gaming. My ps3 gets a lot of use with my Blu ray collection. But the games thus far have sadly dissappointed me. I'm not afraid to say it like it is. I know Sony fans will blindly bash me....but it is what it is. Right now the xbox 360 is dominating in "Game sales" and "total COnsole sales". What else is there? You buy a video game console for...."Games". And now with the Elite....You can play the superior next gen movie format in FUll 1080p via HDMI...."if you choose". Thats the key. "if you choose". You don't have to buy into the HD dvd player unless you intend on watching HD dvd movies. Thats why I absolutely enjoy my xbox 360's and look foward to my "elite". The perfect word for it too, I might add.

[duckman2470]

I agree, the 360 does have the best games out so far and is alot of fun to play. Trust me i have been there and back, even Live can be the greatest thing since sliced bread. However without a working reliable system to play that game on the above is as much fun as clipping your toe nails. Myself and several other XBL members have spent almost a year testing the 360 to find and correct the root cause. a few months ago we hit it dead on, Its the main board warping that causes the GPU connections to break free resulting in a hardware failure 3-red lights error code 0102. There is no way to correct this and it does effect every system, Every system will fail and its only a matter of time. Its upto MS to step up to the plate and redesign the system. However all they have done in 1 1/2 years is dab some epoxy on the board.
Put your money aside and wait a good 6 to 8 months before buying one, at least then you will have a better Idea of how long there Glue fix holds up.
Other then that I truely wish you the best of luck with your new elite.

[NextGen24Gamer]

And if you switch back and forth you can clearly see that HDMI looks notibly better. Look at one part of one screen shot. Particularly the edges of a balcony, ect...thats where you see the difference. The Blacks are deeper and the edges are sharper. WOW....Now, I'm super excited. And where you really will see a difference is in motion by the way. Interlace and progressive is the exact same resolution.....1920 by 1080. Prgressive is just smoother in motion and the lines, text, and color depth s where you will see the differences on bigger screens. I'm impressed with what I have seen. And I know you sony fans have got to love how unbelievable Gears of War looks. Clearly the best looking Next Gen game on the market. And tons of fun online with friends.

P.S. I have 100 friends on xbox live and many more that don't have xbox live and I only know 2 people who's console had the red rings and was quickly fixed by MS.

duckman2470 - is a complete liar. Microsoft would know if there was such a problem that would effect everyone who owns a 360. That would put them in a bad situation. It makes me wonder what your point is. I own 6 xbox 360's and have hundreds of friends with a 360...yet only 2 have went bad in over a year. Where do you get your false info on "every" console will go bad? Thats bold claims with no links or proof. Who are you? You know more than MS or the rest of the indusrty on this topic. Th extent fanboys will go to bash the superior console. WOW

[FrostyMelon]

Dude...you're high. There is no pic quality difference between the HDMI/Component/VGA.

[artman]

red light on mine dude~ I should get an elite, if I know that MS will release an elite version now. I thought there is only 2 option... now we have 3 ... hmmmmm I hate multi choice.

I emailed MS, for asking to tell me or at least sent me a notice for a platinum 360 with build-in wifi & HD-dvd. coz I'm gonna get one for sure... but not this one... it's just stupid version of 360. well I don't mind to get another 360. but this one is really a joke. honestly is really a joke.

oh yeah? I should get this one, and when the platinum out, I'll get another one... so I'll be able to play multi-screen for playing Forza...
what a waste of money~

[duckman2470]

lol, Ya ok, its obvious that you are to hung up on owning a Elite and are to afraid to even consider reading the thread "Your input on whats causing some updates to brick 360s" located in the hardware forums at XBOX.COM. Even a monkey would understand and see that there is major defect in the design.
Dude, 1st you lie and claim to own and play 6 perfect 360s, then you call me and Engadget a liar for posting our factual findings.
Its people like you that will keep feeding MS your money, and thats your choice but to try and convince people that the 360 is a reliable system or that the Elite is a much better system is foolish.
The facts are the facts and its people like you who deserve to get screwed by MS. Good luck on your new ELITE PROBLEM, you just paid a extra $80 for the same defective system. Way to go Einstein. lol

[IPlayGames]

If they didnt fix the noticeable problems.

3 lights(added some extra glue and hope it holds)

Noise factor (same set-up inside)

Over Heating (same set-up inside)

When they first announced this i was made that i didnt know about it so i could of waited but now im happy with my reg. 360.

Does M$ think where that stupid???

[duckman2470]

Some hardcore 360 fans just has to have one, while others get hooked on Xbox Live and the money loop, They will keep buying or fixing the 360 because they have alot invested in games and hardware. As long as people keep paying Microsoft, nothing will change.

[WilliamRLBaker]

Microsoft never said elite was gonna be a whole new system, and to the person that said elite signifies better, it is better its got hdmi,120 gig drive. it offers more then pro and core.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

wow, there are TONS of jealous PS3 owners commenting here!

what a surprise.

(and yes, if its white, black and 360 shaped, you sony bo-tards need to pay attention- 360 is the greatest videogame console in the history of gaming).

jin, ibleedblu, 'bill gates' - i presume that your $600 investment looks kinda like a cooking grill, has poor software, sh1tty hardware, lame online and a tragic future.

right?

So just quit b1tching NOW and go buy a elite- its shiny and black, you know your 3 braincells Lust for it... mwahhahah.... give in to the darkside! I may even give you the honour of a chainsaw kill in Gears Of War! (not you jin, you're an ass.)

[IPlayGames]

Which one sounds better Elite or Premium.

They should of called it 360.5 or something like that.

Its like when ps2 realsed the slim they didn't hype it up to somthing that it wasn't all they did was add the internal online plug and made the console smaller.

They didnt change the name and call it the super ps2 the just put it out.

But come to think of it M$ didnt really hype this. M$ fangirls did and sony Fanmen hyped it down. We tried to talk some sense into guys telling you this is just another way for M$ to take your money( if your willing to pay)

But u insisted it was gonna be better because of why.....? THE NAME elite implies that.

Xbox fangirls " Oh no more 3 lights, over heating bigger HDD etc. etc..." well your still gonna have the same probs on this( hasnt been proven yet but same sku same results )

So this only 4 people that dont have 360 yet unless u feel like wasting money. 20 gigs is enough for what 360 offers.

$180 for 120gigs is a rip off though.

[Hayabusa 117]

It isn't a 360.5, you'd be expecting alot more from it. It's 360 Elite, because it's still an XBox 360.

[level 360]

They'ved specifically built this machine to all anal-retentive fanboys out there, those who just had to have all the un-necessary gadgets and gizmos but did'nt realize they already had them ( important ones ) in the first place. And to take a bit of sales away from the PS3 along the way

[miasma]

this article says exactly what an aquaintance of mine (not exactly a friend) had said. He and a team of others work on beta testing "new gadget technologies", elite being one of those they tried out. He told me a couple of weeks ago that there is next to NO NOTICABLE DIFFERENCE between the HDMI vs. component for the video games. He did go on to say it does have a slight, yes SLIGHT, difference when veiwing movie content. They use 6 different types of monitors and HDTVs to better compare these types of issues. Almost makes me jealous (his job). Sounds to me like this is a case of people trying to convince themselves that there is more going on with the elite than actually is.

i am no fanboy, i own a 360, love it (except for the occassional freeze ups). I own an 50" HDTV and games look awsome, but i will save the HDMI port for the PS3 when i pick one up later on this year. May not have a whole lot of difference in game graphic quality, same as 360, but it is there to use.

I hate the fact that MS throws a couple of minor upgrades into a black box and so many people (current owners) are in a rush to just hand over more money to them. Fortunately, theres the option of just buying the 120 drive, but for $180, that in it self is ridiculous. it would be nice if people (gamers) would get together and collectively tell MS that this type of nickle and diming us is BS and not buy their next round of hardware until it really was an upgrade worthy of the money.

[Trickedbullet]

I only have 4 360 games, and I am leaving for Marine Corps boot camp soon (jan 2008, yes, that is a short time). I have the premium system and will have to buy new everything when I complete boot and MCT. I try not to buy any extra digital content as the whole transfer problem is going to become more and more of a problem. I love MS products, but I am getting really really angry about the whole beastly prices for everything. 50$ for a controller that costs 10$ to make, 20g hd for
100$, 60$ games, 40$ camera, 50$/year XBL. This is kinda why I dislike my psp. Expensive games. I know I can buy used and save cash, but I just am too anal to trust beat up, scratched disks and missing cases and manuals. It also takes far too long for games to drop in price.

And, to top it all off, does anyone think that it sucks total arse that in 4-10 years when the ps3 and 360 die and are replaced that you must do it all over again?

I support MS, and the PSP currently, Normally dont like sony, and dislike Nintendo more than sony as nintendo just makes me angry becuase they are like arse kissers. Nintendo has crap and its cheap. Down with Nintendo.

[Dogswithguns]

Get a black Wii. Problem solved!

[THAMMER1]

You guys have no shame. PS3 is getting out sold buy Game boy advance. LOL You people remind me of racists.

[Maddens Raiders]

at everything ninny hammer says. You are a "reality" racist. Yeah the PS3 sucks and so does the CELL. What a wast of time it is. Too bad it offers everything that the 3L33T failed to deliver on. Not even DolbyTrueHD? Still sounds like a Peterbilt in idle? And let's not even get into the red circles (however, I admit it doesn;t happen on all XBox 360's) MS could've added EVERYTHING and blown the PS3 off of the map (in theory) but instead they continue to piecemeal and fleece their loyal customers. Now ask yourself: who's the mack?

Hey hammer the Earth is flat too right? Go hav3 a laugh with marty. You two could really have a blast together - ya know....busting bubbles and all. Now go fire up your GBA and have a blast my man. Weeeeeeeeeeee

[id dot entity]

Also don't need it. Firs let me fill up my Hard Drive, then I will buy another (120 gig) Hard Drive. And since the difference between HDMI and the normal input is like 0... it's just a waste of money.

[chrisin3]

Yeah, and the Xbox 360 is being outsold by the PS2. Does that sound much better? Think before you speak.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

a countless number of Sony backing introverts rune another helpful 360 topic. Ta HELL with the lot of ya's! ]:~(> Go PLAY BEYOND are something.

[chrisin3]

for the guy above me

[skylar2000]

so theres no difference in the elite. HAHA!

[tomfoolery]

are gonna lose this gen........and they flippin know it.
That's why they come in here acting like complete retards, straight out
of grammar school!
Children,your PeeS3 will be fine.
But it's too late for it to outsell the 360 and the wii...........suck it up punks!

[schnodder]

yeah tomfoolery ... i'm loosing - totally.

[skylar2000]

best shut ur mouth essay!