Julian Eggebrecht, president and chief creative director of Factor 5, explains to GamePro what the Cell processor, Star Wars, The Passion of the Christ, and dragons have in common...
Okay Cell do your thing.
i think he says one level is 32x32km. im not sure about the conversions but is that over 45,000 american acres? that is huge and with the detail of a first person shooter...wow
Yeah 32km X 32km = 1024 sq km Its a pretty big world, and I believe every level is that size! I can't wait for it either! Nice to hear more on the motion controls
Mabe some programmers dont know how to program for it, but those that actually do will be able to produce some stunning games. Ubisoft and the likes dont have the programming knowledge to code the cell.. As its very apparent in the games they have put on the Ps3. Lair is a great example of what those little SPu's can do. Cant wait for more great games like this. As far as 3rd party games, ill download them on my PC if they are even good enough. Will buy mostly all of Sonys 1st party games and anyone who actually puts effort into the Ps3.. Sucks though because some programmers just are not smart enough to code the Ps3. Or 360 for that matter.. That console has so many patched games its not even funny.. Thats what you get when people can just throw code onto a console.
devs. say it hard to dev. for every new system they start programming for. then they figure it out and love it. basically... devs. are (mainly)winers. @below. they just get comfy in what their doing and don`t wanta switch. it`s only human nature. all it take`s is one co. making a game that they can`t make(w/ their current ways). they get jealous and wanta learn. again it`s human nature. but i do agree w/ you.
but there should be alot more people out their that know what to do. I just rerad some where that the very first MIT "CELL" class just finished up...and i am sure there will be many more. i think it was only like a moneth long class but it was only devoted to the cell processor and by next year, there should be a sh!t load more peopole that know what they are doning with the CELL
Is amazing......... what even more amazing is you can land almost anywhere. if every level is that or around those numbers......man. w/ that being said... the only thing that makes me think twice about this game is the timed missions. timed missions can be annoying if their not done properly, for exploring purposes. but who knows they could take it out by the time it ships. either way, timed missions or not i`m checkin this one out. also.... factor 5 earlier on said "Lair 2" most likely have multiplayer. i like that idea. @panther (below) their 1st party devs. and they haven`t werked on the ps3. but...... i get your point.
HALO 3 devs: "We jizzed when we saw the x360 GPU."
but many people were unjizzed when they saw the beta vid.
That's ok, i voted to take away one of your bubbles.
And we all were blown back when we saw the blurry graphics and repetitive gameplay of lair.
ASSASSYN, considering Lair has many things in the background, the graphics are actually incredible. For example, you can't expect GTA on PS2 to have Tekken's graphics do you? 1 has so many things happening at once, the other has only 2 chars. As for the gameplay, what more do you want? Most games are repetitive... what's important is gameplay looks interesting. Like any FPS game, repetitive, but interesting.
Yes we know, we know... How can we not know... you only told us like 100 times. Now please get over it and make sure your game is a AAA. Factor 5 is doing some serious marketting for Sony. Didn't we spend days talking about this very same topic... you know Factor 5 amazed by the cell?
i read some of the comments in gamepro by xbots its hilarous..lol.but readin the interview damn lair sound good.. unlockin combos and goin in rage mode. I hope the boss fight is goin to be great..remind me of shadow of the colossus in a way..
ok lair devs, you're trying to promote it, we get it, enough already:)
If it was a game for the 360 they would be sayin...... WOWEE...the 360's architecture is sooooo amazing. And the truth is,it is!
Except this game can't be done on the 360! The dev's have stated that as well! But obviously you weren't lisetning so they posted it again!
for another "blown away" headlines. I supposed Lair devs always used the same replies in interviews but blame the writer for using the same headlines.
were some the funniest stuff I have ever seen. I mean where do they find someone that dumb to post the junk that hey were saying there? I mean honestly Those comments were so biased, it makes system wars at gamespot.com look unbiased. I can't stop laughing.
cheesy lookin gameplay on the 360.Now for the FMV...maybe they wouldn't,because it would require another disc. I don't care what that dev is saying!Of course they're going to praise Sonys system for obvious reasons. But the rest of the dev world agrees that the systems are pretty much even-Steven capability wise.....sans the Blu Ray HD. 8.2 - tomfoolery Except this game can't be done on the 360! The dev's have stated that as well! But obviously you weren't lisetning so they posted it again! P.S. stay in school jr.,and learn to spell. "lisetning"?? I was LISTENING.I did't buy it the first time,and still won't this time.
Why do u post like like a pre schooler! I swear they need to but some educational games on the 360, you guys get more and more dense with every round of Crackdown!
360 devs still have to program for the core, which is ridic. PS3 devs have 50 gigs and a hardrive to work with.
but I can tell you wish you did.I mean why would you bring that game up,if you didn't?? Sighhhhhhh.... Firewire.....you're an infant. p.s....you typed, "Why do u post like like a pre schooler! I swear they need to but some educational games on the 360" They need to BUT some educational games?Your spelling reflects your age. Hmmm, who's in preschool?Ya little assclown.
hhhhmmmm picking on people over typos, whats wrong witlessfoolery cant rip on people properly so you pick at their typos? now i have told you dont try insulting people your so called insults are just horrible. i know little kids who insult better than you buddy.
its a crock of crap why do u think they added a halo beta they knew that people will be fooled into buying that game HALO BRAINS lol crackdown dev are saying now fools fools fools i could add halo 3 demo to the worst game in the world for £50 and no that it will sell for halo 123 and trust me it will be the best you will ever see in X box 360 Maybe gears 2.. when dev wake up and stop been Noobs to the PS3 u will see a lot of good games that will Blow ya away,, Trust me now Halo 3 gears 2 Wow i hope bungie dream up halo 4 5 6 7 8 9 as well Infact If they was a x box and a halo box out now Halo box would sell like hot cakes and yes its one of the best fps on the consoles by miles i was a fan till modders and cheats come on. Ps3 u see all i can say there is always someone sat at home waiting to crack
this game looks good but can do better i think MP is big now so should be considered
Haha, wow, Lair is getting a lot of publicity lately. The game better live up to all these promotions - and better come out soon!
Didn't realize there was an improper way to pick on people on some mundane video game forum.Obviously, you take offense to my insults by the way you have a vendetta against me! WITLESS FOOLERY?Now common,that's just retarded and becoming old hat. And I'm sure you do know little kids.(sicko) Typos?Maybe........ illiterate,definately. You're so funny! EDIT SMOKEY what does becomong mean?????????? ok wow someone took their apostrophe class!!!!! it's supposed to be c'mon. Hey, I threw definately out there but obviously ya missed it .....definitely???? You stay in school fool!
For someone with the strategy of insulting people with their grammatical prowess, you don't do a very good job of it. Just some small pointers your = possesion, you're = you are... you are looking for the latter common is a descriptive term, you are looking for come on... becoming old hat? not familiar with the phrase.. it might be becomong an old hat Next time when trying to clown on another poster, try picking something you are good at.. An Education is a good thing... stay in school.
The game seems alright nothing mind blowing! Sony and devs have done this type of over kill hype marketing with every game built for the PS3; we'll see. It looks alright and one step forward for a PS3 game even though it looks kind of drab. If this one doesn't live up to the hype then folks will choose another game thats state of the art and cant be done on 360 bla bla bla then after that another and another and another. Sony hype machine. The gameplay looks Meh with a couple of some what neat looking canned animations.
This site cracks me up.
you must be blind,I feel sorry for you.I see that 99.9% of the people in this threads are 360 fanboys,they feel so unsecured and they seem very interested in Lair and the CELL,very good news for the ps3
I mean seriously factor 5 seems to be bent over for sony so much as of late, Let alone I highly doubt every part of the game will be that detailed specially at 32X32 map sizes....And they hype it so much, Oh the cell is amazing, Lair will be amazing...blah blah blah, they better hope they deliver, Because lair used to be the only reason i thought of geting a ps3 till factor 5 started hyping cell so hard and the game it self...
I agree completely. It's too obvious. If it's so good to develop for, how come third party developers keep producing "lesser" versions of games that are also on the 360? Games that people claim not even utilize the amazing power of the cell. Shouldn't it be easier to get them right if that's the case?
atleast he wants to sell his game... what's your reason for kissing gate's ass?
* * * * * Lair Developer 1: "Dude, I'm so blown away by the PS3 that I decided we HAVE to make really crappy dragon game deserving of its immense sony-powers!" Lair Developer 2: "Dude! Okay!" Lair Developer 1: "Dude!" ... Lair Developer 2: "umm. yeah." Lair Developer 1: "um" Lair Developer 2: "wanna play Gears Of War again while we let the office noobs code Lair?" Lair Developer 1: "sure!" [Telephone Rings] Sony CEO: [On Telephone] Hey, have you guys finished that turdball dragon game yet? we need more mooooooonnneeeeyyyy$$$$$$$$ before we go bankrupt!! Lair Developer 1: "ummmmmmm. Sure." Lair Developer 2: "Sh1t." [fin]
Not that I agree or disagree on this. It just cracked me up!
duuude, you get high too high~ gimme that grasss ^o^
Actually, I highly doubt the level of detail in lair could be achieved on a 360. I could be wrong though. Pretty graphics are one thing, but when you tack on progressive mesh on a 32x32 Km map, an amazing amount of movement and objects on screen, PLUS a full blown water physics engine, it is quite amazing indeed. Turns out the SPE's are perfect for these types of things, such as massive calculations and it can calculate an incredible amount of raw data effortlessly. Again, I could be wrong. Now, whether or not the game will be fun, well, thats another question entirely....
More PS3's sold equals more sales for Lair.
some 360 fanboys just can't wrap their brains around all that muscle the cell chip has.factor five pretty much knew that ps3's and 360's graphics chips would be simular.but that cell chip is showing them things they never thought was possible. let's just stop fooling around.lair is not possible on 360 in it's current form.everything that cell and rsx are doing together can't be done on 360.the massive worlds,the physics,the progressive mesh,1080p,the water,etc,etc,etc.cell is just a monster that eats calculations for breakfast.you could keep feeding it and it will try to find a way to crunch it. i remember when it was said cell can decode 12 hd streams simultaneously.and it was shown twice in demonstrations.no other chip can pull that off.pcs can't do it.360 would just blow up.the wii wouldn't even try.it would say:"let's play an easier game.""okay?" once real devs start tossing simulations and caculations at cell more often,360 will just lag behind in some areas.the graphics might be simular,but the guts underneath would be miles apart. and that will be the ps3 difference.lair is just the start of real parallel processing.and the fact that ps3 has the drive as standard and bluray,360 will look more and more like a last gen system.the go between from ps2,xbox and gamecube to next gen which is ps3. just like my lovable dreamcast was the go between for ps2,xbox and gamecube.
From: http://www.webopedia.com/TE... "The simultaneous use of more than one CPU to execute a program." I love how Sony fanboys claim that parallell processing wasn't really around until the Cell delivered it. WRT gaming I am not saying that the Xenon can do everything the Cell can or vice versa. However no one, not even Sony has proven it. Until it is proven it is all theoretical.
what's with people disagreeing with you even when you're sleeping....? LOL! q:
Its an interview with a developer by a website. Big deal. It has nothing to do with Sonys PR or marketing and I'm sure Factor 5 never called Gamepro and said "guess what I think of the Cell. Gamepro sought them out and asked direct questions and they answered. That how an interview works. If you're too cynical or jaded to believe the responses are genuine, then I say to you, you're a sad person. If you're not interested in this game why did you even read the interview or click on the link for that matter? Was the title misleading? Did you think a small segment of a terrorist organisation had bombed Factor 5? No, you're just here to downplay something that might actually turn out to be a fun game, and who knows, maybe even the first true Next Gen game developed yet. (Boy am I gonna hear it over that one.) Bottomline, if you don't care about this game, there's an article about a $179 HD with only one comment on it. Go over there and make some traffic to play in. For my 2 cents, I've no reason to doubt this will be a good game. Factor 5 have always delivered before and they are obviously passionate about their work. When Devs are like that it tends to show through. Cant wait to Dragon-Jack someone in midair.
seems like every time there is positive feedback with respect to the CELL processor, MS fanboys jump all over it. Fact is, CELL represents an amazing processor that is capable of so much (google the specs or research the technology sometime if ya don't believe me). I think MS peeps are either misinformed or jealous.
these are the kind of games we need from 1st party so that 3rd party developers can't say - it's too tough! games like these are a good proof and we expect the third party to pull up their pants before they complain. good show! factor 5! thanks for raising the bar. (((:
interesting comment: In what other ways does Lair take advantage of the Cell? We have all of our animations running on the S.P.U.s of the Cell's chip because you couldn't draw armies or basically animate armies of that amount and size without it. And our physics are completely on there. We are also doing fluid dynamics for the first time in a game, as far as I know. Water is not basically a sheet of a base surface, but completely animated and sub-divided, and you actually can direct with it thanks to the Cell. We actually do part of our rendering on the Cell. Simply because it's so powerful, we spent months and months moving more and more systems onto the S.P.U.'s. ALL the ANIMATION is running of the CELL??!!!! wtf
Yeah, most likely he means procedural animations as in not canned graphics based animations but physics based. For instance: The water movement, armies interacting with each other, fire breathing, wings flapping etc.
when the developer praise cell, it's said kisses @ss, when they said is difficult, you guys said is crappy dev system... so which one are you? keep loyal to your MS @ss... and keep it for your self! N4G become the flame of nextgen wars forum duh? please... mind your own consoles... if they like to develop for PS3, let them be... don't just badmouthing to them... it is sure hard to develop PS3 games... appreciate them please. except if you also part of the development team. well you can share us your slavery and joy here.
I'm REALLY sick of all those devs hyping up systems (either XBOX 360 or PS3, but predominantely PS3, because Sony pays A LOT of money to the dev-teams to praise the PS3). Lair does NOT look any better than any other game of with good graphics (Gears Of War, Unreal Tournament 2007...) and yet devs are talking sooo much about how they are "blown away by PS3 and Cell", or "this can't be done on the XBOX 360". If they are "so blown away", why the hell there aren't any MAJOR graphical difference between Lair and, say, Asassins Creed? If that's the (current) maximum that Cell can do, than PS3 is not worth 600$. They keep saying "it can't be done on the XBOX 360". Well, then those are some crappy programmers out there. Of course it can be done! Maybe they would have to "cut some corners", but nothing that an average (or even hard-core) gamer would notice. And yet, there's a lot of people who buy this kind of crap from developers who are PAID to say good things about hardware they develop on. They certanly not going to say "well, PS3 is an average console with good CPU"... Think, people, think!!
there's nothing great to talk about it. ever thought of that? as for the "it can't be done on 360" - you said it yourself. they'll have to "cut some corners". q: let them talk about their game as long as they want... there are probably hundred more gaming sites out there and everytime each site interviews them - we'll be 'reminded'. i like LAIR a lot.. and yes... i do skip other interviews.. you can do that too. just ignore and the world will be a beautiful place. q: EDIT: @JCDenton (below) i said that (cut corners, actually your words) with reference to LAIR. looking at what's on the screen (specially 32x32 and macro to micro details) i wonder 360 can even do that. as for the rest of the games, most of them were ported from 360 to PS3 (as you rightly mentioned) BUT like the developer of LAIR said - it makes more sense to port from PS3 to 360. that's why i'm assuming the 3rd party developers got a huge shock. as for the 'why no 360 developers are jumping' - well... one thing is - yes, it's been long time since it came out so, there's probably nothing to say. on the other hand, there has been developers working on PS3 for more than 2 years but it looks like developers like factor 5, team ninja, ninja theory and insomniac have finally managed to find the unlimited power - that's why everyone is talking about it. and i didn't say - "PS3 games (any generation) will "blow away" XBOX 360 (again, any generation) games" so... i'm not going to argue about it.
I'm REALLY sick of all those devs hyping up systems (either XBOX 360 or PS3, but predominantely PS3, because Sony pays A LOT of money to the dev-teams to praise the PS3). You can prove this? Inquiring minds are dying to know!
Bungie is blown away by the 360's processor and promises to use the dvd to it's full potential
Dude that was f*cking Hilarious
Yes, I said they would have to cut some corners, but I also said that there probably would not be any noticable difference. Following your logic, none of the games on the X360 can be done on PS3 (just look at all the ports - 90% looks the same or better on X360, meaning devs had to "cut some corners" when porting to PS3). As for "there's nothing great to talk about considering X360", my answer is that XBOX 360 is 1,5 years old, and probably everything has been said by now :p To say PS3 games (any generation) will "blow away" XBOX 360 (again, any generation) games is rather stupid. PS3 is more powerful than 360, but not THAT powerful like fanboys want to beleive. I don't have a 360 nor PS3, and don't plan buying any of those (maybe Wii...), because I'm a PC gamer, and more important, casual gamer. I've played both PS3 and XBOX 360 with my friends, and came to the conclusion that neither console is better. More or less, they are equal, with good games on both platforms (XBOX 360 has more good games now, but PS3 will probably catch up).
Just Cause is a bigger game than this. This lair game is just another oneplayer game with no longevity. geeeeeeezz... You beat the game and that's it...no multiplayer what so ever...?? only play against AI??? Lair, MGS4, FF13, Heavenly Sword??? Utterly crap if this is why you guys call AAA games.... example---> DS: multiplayer King (kills the PSP hot spot crap) Wii: Just fun for everyone (wii sports) XB Live: a crazy online community PSP: very rare to play ad-hoc...hotspot sucks.. only thing it can connect is to your PS3 PS3: no games for multiplayer. it can't even push it with it's free service PShome: visit other guys virtual home and drink coffee.. *HOW GAY*
Maybe because I like to play a game at my own pace. Or maybe because the net is full of jerks. Either way, the day every game is just an online multiplayer game which usually comes down to shoot that guy before he shoots you, thats the day I give up gaming. And as for all those titles having no longevity, I take it that opinion is based on your extensive playthroughs you've had with each one? Just curious, are you planning on getting Bioshock?
We were missing those XBox lobbyists. I think lair is a heck of a technical marvel so far. It seems like, to impress, the PS3 has to have Lair looking like GeOW in every single detail, no matter if it's hundreds up on hundreds of soldiers, monsters missiles, flames, water collisions and what not happening at once, in 1080p? That would take forever to make just one level @ 32x32km wide area. I'm not expecting that kind of details. But for a GeOW game I do expect those things. And I think it would be better off with a HD media instead of DVD and you could have more happening in the games on the XB360. Good enough hardware quality seems far and long away from it too....well you know the drill?
I presonally want more single player games. Most games are full of people I can't stand and a single player game I can progress in my own time and fashion and not have to rely on everyone else to furhter progress or have to listen t a bunch of people whine about something ridiculous when its just a game. I have a ton of single player games that have plenty of replay value and I still pull out those games consistantly. Online is not for everyone.. I will play online games once in awhile but I prefer a single player game or a split screen player game over online play.. my only exception is a MMORPG and then I get frustrated with people that are so stuck on using the same strategy every time instead of wanting to try something new to see if we can come up with a better way. Your fanboyism seems to be overplaying the facts... DS better online than PSP .. give me a break.. "PS3: no games for multiplayer. it can't even push it with it's free service' Apparantly I'm responding to someone that has no logic or won't listen to logic with that comment.. but figured I would say why I disagree with you.
other words i hope microsoft or nintendo buy factor 5 i'm so FVCKING sick of them oh sony you are so awesome thank you for giving me the chance to develope a game with a dragons hooray... its so old
Now go buy are game!!! They must be marketing to the core PS3 following 100%. People are still waiting for the PS3 to put out. Dynasty dragons will please you. !!YES!! J/K
Why are people on here bashing? I don't get it. The cell is new to them, they didn't know what to expect...if you've seen what they've actually got out of it, it is incredible. Go on the GAF read the comments leading from "unimpressed" all the way to "f*ck!" after the dev vids...with 360 fans (generally more gracious than the ones on here) saying "wow game is bloody impressive". So if you haven't seen those dev interview vids on gametrailers then go and do so. And ps. did anybody actually read the interview!? Or did they just read the title and come running in here with a mission to belittle it?
I'd say that was the purpose of the title Deep, that is an automatic starter for flamming. But i have to agree wid u, they're devs using brand tool(cell) to make a game they didnt think was possible to make prior to using it.
I mean if you were a dev and got hold of the cell and had no idea how to use it and then sudenly got some breakthroughs that other devs haven't...wouldn't you want to inform them, especially when the interviewer asks you "how did you use the cell"...I mean it's the burning question about the ps3 isn't it?
Yeh i totally agree, i mean the cell is what truely differenciates the PS3 from the 360 and the Wii.
Well, to say the truth...do nobody has ever seen such beautiful ocean waves as in Lair, be him a xbot or not. There is just no denying that its such mindblowing to know that a beauty of this level and this scale can be opted for physics...WOW ! Insane !!! These stellar ocean waves are not only the most beautiful, beautifully animated and heavy-looking but also that they are tangible with ripple-generation and fluid physics intact. Man, we all know that while we played GTA and other grand-scale games, we wished we could see that happen with water, thanks to Sony and Cell, its possible now. Yeah well, no 360 or PC can pull that, that's for sure because it ain't only ocean we are talking about but the whole intact, existing swarming cities, mountain ranges or palaces...with beasts and humans, around 32X32 sq. miles...that's about twice thw world of Oblivion...WOW ! all with their AIs and animations...YUP, only Sony can take true steps towards virtual reality and PS3 has started the revolution !!!
I'm not moved but maybe hard core Sony gamers are.
Get it right! "Sell" is a verb, not a noun. It's "sales", not "sells".
How the [email protected] is it that every single time Factor 5 or any Sony 2nd party dev praises the cell, theyre automatically paid to say it, ummmm der already paid by Sony to make the game so of course theyre going to praise the tools they used to make the damn thing. Jezz the hate for Sony is getting ridiculous. side note: ohh and you already know that Factor 5 is going to bring it up in every interview were the question of the cell comes up so if ur getting tired of it then y are u still reading the damn interview. common sense, if u dont like something stay away from it.