follow the link to the video pc world also talks about the issues of pc gaming on ps3 or linux. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,77449-page,1/article.html
wow that takes forever to load up.. but the simple fact that it is possible amazes me.
Windows emulation on Linux just isn't a practical option. Check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=... Especially 1:13 Slow! That's an understatement...two operating systems running here, with little ram and no access to RSX. Forget about it! Just stick with Linux or hope Sony will open up the RSX for Linux for 3D. Better still, petition Sony to develop its own sleek, fast and optimized version of Linux - Sony Linux OS - and have it preinstalled. Then you'll have a PC as well as a game console. Oh, the $$$$ you would save. There's no way Sony will ever allow Winblow$ on PS3 nor will Micro$oft port XP/Vista to its competitor's machine.
fulconer, i just watched the video you put up and honestly other then a proof of concept there is no actual real purpose for it. You computer can do the samething and do it more efficently running windows natively with much more ram. Atleast with vista you can use ready boast, something I hope microsoft impliments for the xbox 360 for xna developers to use.
...because they would lose income from PCs. The pure game console is dead. The PC console is the future. Ps3 is a PC Console(games, internet, media center, productivity) when it has a full OS(such as Linux, XP, Mac OsX) installed on it. Sony will never be able to get XP/Vista ported and unlikely to convince Apple to do the same with Mac OsX. So we just have Linux at the moment. However, Linux has never had major capital investment - like Apple and M$ have done - to produce a sleek, fast, optimized, user-friendly distribution of Linux. At the moment Sony is allow buyers to install Linux for themselves but Sony should be developing its own version(Sony Linux OS) and preinstalling it so that its ready to go when you get your Ps3. You then immediately have access to thousands of free opensource software(Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, The Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, NVU, Audacity, VLC, MythTV, Blender etc) - for free. Yes, that's free. This is what is happening on Laptops and PCs already with us Linux fans and what is already happening on the Ps3. You won't see linux on xbox 360 nor Vista because M$ will lose revenue. Sony on the other hand still gets revenue from GameOS on the Ps3 and allows buyer to turn it into a PC Console. But it should be a PC Console when we take it off the shelf with Sony Linux OS already installed....
I can already see hordes of errors and glitches ensuing from this.
if this is possible then maybe u can play halo 3 on ps3 using linux pc emulator or just installing xp and i wonder if u can get full access to the RSX EDIT: sorry my bad fordgtguy i meant to say halo 2 cause i heard its on pc or halo 1 and gears is coming on pc soon, and so is lost planet just saying my bad
Halo 3 on a system it wasn't made for while running both the PS3 and XP OS.
Maybe Halo 1 but I doubt it would run at all since the system has 256MB avaible to resourse and that includes running linuix which takes some ram and then running Windows XP which takes the majority of the 256MB and this leaves very little for the game to use and also RSX can be accessed under linuix mode so its up to the cell to do all the emulation so ya, maybe but the framerate is going to suffer, not to mention you need direct X 9 which the cell isnt'
Get this working then get sum SNES, Megadrive, Gameboy Emulators on top of Windows then you may have more than 3 decent games to play... Sarcasm, look it up! Just kidding... Honest..
AND I'M LAUGHING MY ASS OFF, XBOX 360 IS FINISHED I TELL YOU IF THIS IS TRUE!
Who are you exactly "Laughing your ass off at"? The PS3 is nowhere near powerful to emulate Windows XP AND modern PC games. Keep in mind the PS3 only has 256mb of memory. Furthermore, any PC game would have to run in software mode because (currently) nobody can get access to the RSX chip. The only thing that this mod would be good for (game wise) would be for M.A.M.E. or low-level emulators. Remember Sony is still losing their teeth (at least $180) on each PS3 sold, and they don't want anyone buying their system just to use it for a half-ass, crippled, Windows XP computer.
so what he talks cr*p so what? everybody in here talks sh*t. NG4 is known for that so what? We love NG4, hence we love crap??LMAO
some memory stored for linux + for winXP. + as far as i know, linux can`t access RSX video memory(drivers from nvidia needed), so only 256MB for linux+winXp. if winxp woud be adopted for ps3, it would run pretty fast, but games not, becase on winXP games eat a lot of memory, while on console 512MB can be like 2GB. =) still, nice. =)
sony could get into legal issues if this becomes a trend,and ms would easily win in court against this but what ever
how is it a legal issue if you buy a video game and emulate it on a ps3?
if they make wine for ppc we might be able to play counter strike 1.6 on ps3 :D and wow (if RSX ever becomes available)
theres no way that the Ps3 can run an OS trying to run another OS trying to run a game!! the cell might be good BUT NOT THAT GOOD!! can you say half a FPS with no effects turned on!! good try though!!
people say the PS3 only has 256MB RAM. It's got the full 512... seriously, look it up. 256 of GDDR3 and 256 of XDR, which is much much faster than anything you have in your PC or 360. As for XP running on the PS3... sure, but not very well. I had it run on mine through an emu in Ubuntu. It was sh!t. Until we see a working Octoplier, normal x86 code will run like crap on the Cell.
with all the hackers in the world - maybe one of them will figure it out hahahaha i could see winxp being used on a PS3 - playing a game ahhh not really sure but anything is possible...and the cell is that good trust me - google the specs of it.. how would that be a legal issue? ur the one that is putting the software into the PS3..and the PS3 has 512MB - 256 + 256 :) anywho i personally wont be using lenix - but its always good to have - once the software starts to upgrade and makes it more smoother to running on the PS3 then i could see myself using it
this is super old. this video came out during the 1st month of ps3's market existance. the OS is optimised for x86 protocol...not power pc....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If that's possible in the future, I will never have to buy a 360 because all of it's "exclusive" are also on the PC. hahahahaha Gears of War, here I come!! hahahahhahahhhahahahhahhah seriously this is too funny not to laugh.
not the memory cries again!! we know the Ps3 has 512 Mb but its split!! so at anygiven time ALL the Ps3 can decidate is 256MB at 1 time!! an so far as being faster than anything availble(Pc or xbox) how do you know that!! but anyway the 360 can decidate more memory to a given process because it has more to give!! 256 - 100(PS3) is 156 left for something else 512-100 (360) is 412 left for something else look in your white PS3 booklet that came with the system turn to page 20 an it says 256MB MAIN Ram an 256 MB GDDR3 VRAM. so yes the Ps3 has 512 MB or memory, the most it can use is 256 any one time!!
so configuration bloating can be streamlined, still...xp wasnt made with a risc cpu in mind.....
gnothe, you're a dipsh1t. It can use all of it at the same time, its 512 Megs, the thing is, it can only use 256 for the CPU, and 256 for the GPU (in fact one of the two can access the other's RAM, but I'm not sure which). The difference is that the Xbox 360 can use it any way it wants. What that means is that Xbox 360 would be ideal for PC game developers, but for console games it simply means it's easier to develop for, not more powerful. If you optimize everything to run great on PS3, you'll squeeze more power than you can from 360, the thing is, it's a lot harder, since RAM is split, and shader pipelines are split too. Xbox 360 would own PS3 if they were Gaming PCs. But they are not. Console games take specific advantage of each platform's strengths because specs never change, so PS3 running at its optimum performace beats Xbox 360. But that's why some games look better on 360, because some developers don't want to take the time and money to optimize for the PS3. Exclusives will make the PS3 shine.
Keep in mind that the split memory architecture of the PS3 is JUST LIKE the way it is with a PC that has a dedicated video card... Your system RAM and video RAM are separate. Now, data can be exchanged between the RAM banks across the interconnect (whether PCI, AGP, PCI-X, or PCI Express), but extra latency is added from going across the bus. The way the 360 is setup is more like a PC with built-in video. The video chipset uses part of the system RAM for the video/texture RAM. So in essence all you have to do to move data from system RAM into video RAM is move it into a memory location that is allocated to the video chipset... No bus'es involved, very little if any latency. Now as far as which is better? It's hard to say... The 360 uses 700 Mhz GDDR3 RAM for both, while the PS3 uses 700 Mhz GDDR3 for the video RAM and 3.2 Ghz XDR RAM for the system memory. Both will have their strengths and weaknesses, only time will tell.
I don't want any OS in my PS3!!!!!!!!! I have a Laptop and a PC, I'm not making my game console something that is not. Installing any OS in any console is plain stupid. Tomorrow people will want to install OS in their cell phones, refrigerators, watches and maybe their pets... If you wanted a PC you can get one cheaper than Wii at least down here.
it might be stupid for you but my laptop just broke and i am doing everything on my ps3 now... so i love the fact that i have that option
"...Tomorrow people will want to install OS in their cell phones" Done already. And not a bad job indeed. Mac OsX(which is like Linux being unix-based) is the OS on the coming Apple iPone. Take a look: http://youtube.com/watch?v=... Just imagine if by some miracle Sony reached an agreement with Apple to port OsX to the Ps3. Wow. My Ps3....a killer PC console - no need to buy a PC. Probably won't happen though so lets hope Sony develops its own OS - Sony Linux OS. PS3 + Laptop + PC + software for each = $4000+ PS3 with Linux + Laptop with Linux + software for each = $2000. Common sense really to us intelligent folks.
wont this be a pretty buggy trying to emulate games?
ta ta ta today jr. ps3 is a wana be pc thats it!
make laptops and even pocket sized PCs, so why would they try and make another? The fact is you can't stand the fact that there is just so many things the PS3 can do...I know, it's driving you up a wall.
contra wants to bash single player games like mgs4,heavenly sword,lair,etc.but secretly wants those games on 360. then we got gnothe spreading lies about ps3 and system ram.don't let these dummies fool you with their lies.don't bite the fruit. so i pose a question to these dummies:do all games have to be online to be fun or multiplayer offline? and two,(this especially to gnothe):if ps3 only uses 256 of ram at any one time,why do games look better or just as good as 360 with that 256 of ram?rsx must be amazing if it can make games with 256 of ram that look as good as 360 games. going by your logic,if that other 256 were accessed and the power of cell harnested,ps3 will be a monster in the future and just plain make 360 look like last gen. amazing.256 looking as good as 512 of ram.no wonder devs are saying ps3 has so much power underneath the hood(sarcasm).can't wait for those "single player" ps3 games. and back to contra(shouldn't you find a war or something?)there are so many multiplayer games coming out and are out for ps3 that makes me think you are blind or something.open those eyes fanboy.warhawk is coming.resistence is already out.so is fnr3,rr7,f1,motorsotrm.......o h my goodness,i'm naming off ps3 online games......................... ............................... ........................retards ............................... ............................... ............................... ............................... ............................... ..................
Devs have been able to access both 256 MB chips simultaneously through some creative programming. It's true.
not respond with that.jason wong of nvidia said the other 256 could be accessed.i already knew that. but the lie about 256 doesn't cut it when the games show that 512 is being used.
man your one silly dude. you say the games show that more Ram is being used. show one game that says it uses more the 256 Mb ram. I got 1 an its called GEARS OF WAR!! now you name yours. do you even have a Ps3 an or a 360 for that matter !! because I do
now here we go again with these PS fanboys!! not one time did I call anyone any names or insult anybody. NOW I just stated whats it says IN MY FUK(NG) PS3 HAND BOOK!! now you wanna know why games look just as good as 360 games? well have you ever heard of developing for the lowest common denominator!! same thing that applies to games being built with dvd9 in mind for both consoles aply here,developers cant build games with blu ray in mind when both systems do have it.same thing they build the multiplat games to run with a certain Ram limit!!an as far as devs being able to access both memory pools I never said they couldnt, but the still cant increase the ram amount over 256 at 1 given time.devs have also stated that theres ways of working around the PS3 memory limitations an still get great results.
window sux anyway...
Why did this get posted again? This has already been on this site, back around Nov.-Dec. 06'
my ps3 is pumpimg out fnr3 graphics.it is known that ps3's fnr3 looks better.it is known that oblivion looks better on ps3 than 360.but you say that 360 uses 512.and ps3 uses 256.you can't use 256 of ram and make a game look better than 512 of ram.that's just not possible. if ps3 had half the ram,it would look half as good. what do you say about motorstorm?that's from the ground up ps3 gaming.shouldn't that look half as good?shouldn't heavenly sword and lair look half as good?uncharted doesn't look half as good.it looks just as good.shoudln't mgs4 look half as good?dmc4?assassin's creed?shouldn't they look half as good too? all i know is that MY vf5,rr7,fnr3,motorstorm,amored core4,genji2,etc.-LOOK AS GOOD OR BETTER.gt hd looks great.and all the demos.and tekken 5.looks good for 256 huh?go look at the e3 05 for sony and you will see unreal running on ps3.tim sweeny was there.gears can work on ps3.you just believe the lies about it(ps3) not being capable of running it.but in fact it can.it would just take more work.microsoft paid for the exclusive and the hype to go along with it:"only on xbox 360." kepp believing that. so you keep believing about that 256.you say you have 360 and ps3.great for you.i only have ps3.i'm unwilling to invest in a system that breaks and is prone to get the red rings.if microsoft fixed that and those ridiculous prices,i would be first in line.
Oblivion and fight night had a year longer dev time for the ps3 so what do you expect dumbass. neither of those games where optimized to take full advantage of the 360's hardware because guess what they are NOT exclusives. When the PS3 can give me gears of war graphics then il eat my words, but the fact is the PS3 games are no where near GOW graphics at the moment so until then STFU.
shadow you say you dont even have a 360? so how do you know these games look as good or better. you mentioned armored core 4 in your post, well let me tell you, I downloaded both demos of the games an I can say from MY own experience that the 360 version looks slightly better.the reason why, it looks more sharper, more crisp an clean with alittle more detail. keep in mind that the PS3 is running through HDMI in 1080i an my 360 in run through component at 1080i. now the comparison video that was on this site a few months ago, I can say that the colors dont look like that.ones not real dark an one real light. they both has ALMOST the same color levels. VF5? you haven't even seen the 360 version because its not out yet so how do you know the PS3 version looks better!! Genji2? are you serious, that game is crap, it looks ok not great,but why didnt the allow you to control the camera with the analog instead of making it an evade move(TERIBLE IDEA) I like ninety nine nights for the 360 better!! FNR3? now this one is a toss up because sony boys says it looks better xbox boys say it looks better. the people at the Apollo said the 360 version looks better, even thought the PS3 version came out a year later!! I guess its a matter of preference, because from what I can see of the game the Ps3 character models look better but EVERYTHING else look better on the 360, background,colors,lighting. motorstorm? yes motorstorm looks good, but does it look so good to the point where it CANT be done on the 360. the only problem he is there isnt a comparable game to match this up aginst!! oblivion? another year later release, need I say more. they way I see it, the majority of cross platform games get delayed on the Ps3 because it takes more work an time to get THE SAME out of the Ps3 as it does the 360, because they have to work around the memory limitations. why else would a game be delayed 4-6 months on the Ps3 an still look no better or even less even with the added time!! but please dont insult people because they feel differently that you, that only makes you look like the fanboy you are!!
then maybe i might start playing WOW
Ooooooooo, nasty. And c'mon, who took my bubble. Play nicely now.
you missed my point.if ps3 has half the memory as you say,you could not make games that look as good or a little better than 360.no amount of work done,1 year,2 years,it would be impossible to make a game like oblivion a little better because of lack of memory.they would look worse on ps3.all of the games. i didn't say games look better on ps3.i said they look as good.i also didn't say genji2 was great.it had poor camera angles(i agree),shallow gameplay,didn't lead you where to go next.basically it was a letdown after genji 1.if i were sony,i would not have published it.but game republic needed someone to help them. games like genji 2,untold legends and the rest that were rushed won't happen as much in the future because sony can see the pot of gold.resistance sold over a million.motorstorm is on it's way and was the best seller last month. but what i'm saying is that you can't stuff the same amount of textures onscreen for ps3 compared to 360 if it had half the memory.
You ask for "proof" that the XDR RAM is faster than anything in your PC or XBox (which I RESPECT by the way, I'm not blind), just look at the clock speed. 3.2 GHz compares to the standard 700MHz of VRAM. The higher clock speed allows for more operations per cycle. And I think I'll just throw it out there, the AI in Heavenly Sword doesn't even access the system RAM at all... it's all done with the memory allocated to one SPU of the Cell... so if you wanna talk semantics, add all of the memory allocated to the SPUs to the 512 built into the system.
it takes me 7 seconds to boot up windows on my pc why the hell wouldi want that junk pc owns big time.
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