More disappointing news for HD DVD came today with the results of Nielsen Video Scan's sales data for high definition DVDs. According to the firm, Blu-ray movies outsold HD DVD by more than 2-to-1 for the third month in a row.
Blu-ray #1!!!!!:)(Scooby Doo),but that's just my opinion!,It's my preffered format.
I own both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players,but I notice Blu-Ray has better quality,picture and sound.
1- you first words make laugh sooooooo much.
2- Complete agree with ur words.
those idiot think by tilting Amazon Rank, they can change the HDDVD's fate. The truth is mainstream buy what recommended by their friends, relative and stores' associate. Sadly most big store recommended Blu-Ray as main HD media, look like Sony put bigger pressure than Toshiba. You know, Hard core internet fellas like you and me are not mainstream. Whatever we argue here won't change anything except a few + or - bubbles.
pushing HD-DVD pretty hard, but I suspect it was simply to get rid of stock. Blu-ray's getting the most attention now.
But yes, BR is doing better all in all but only temporarily, due to the ps3 including BR.
I feel as many do too, that this will change as 2007 goes into the Xmas season. I mean who uses there BR player on their ps3 as a BR player? I wouldn't wear out one by doing that:game playing is what it's for. I'd guess that only a small 3% - 5% use it to watch movies. Maybe more the first month people buy there console but dropping after that. I'll predict that by june almost nobody will be buying BR movies as compared to today.
It's inevitable that Bluray will win the format war(50 G will always beat 30 G) with the growth of HDTV and sales of PS3(which should explode in 2008 especially once Little Big Planet is released as well as lower price, return of rumble, large library, better net service & Home).
Now Toshiba and co need to do the honourable thing and concede and buy a BD licence. Come to think of it, likewise M$ xbox 360. The faster Micro$oft becomes a pure games developer(eg Sega) the better. I can't wait to see Halo, Forza, Viva etc on my Ps4.......the next gen victor.
After doing research after research on what to buy, i dont see why anyone would not choose Bluray, in the long run it is just the better format not to mention disney movies that are ay better to have on board then porn.
And i dont think anyone believes the whole Porn beta/vhs theory anymore since all the reports about it being downloaded more then bought. Not to mention I have never seen an old video store like the old days of vhs/beta around anymore that even sell porn be it whatever format.
just remember with bluray resolution how much detail you will see. You might think thats a good thing, but you'll probably see a lot more "blemishes" to put it lightly.
I know what you mean, and i have seen it already.
And i have also seen it on a friends hd-dvd.
Point is, in the long run the size does matter here and blu ray has it while hd-dvd clearly does not.
Don't count porn out yet there are still 2 studios publishing some pron on Blu-ray.......
But that makes me ask the question "WHY IN THE HELL DOES ANYONW WANT TO WATCH P0RN IN HD?!?!?!?" Nasty, it would be like "Wow, I could actually count every hair on that dudes fat ass"
bluray has already won.
HD-DVD is just going to come up w/ some sort of posistive buzz to get rid of their stock.
i really can`t think of one reason why HD-DVD is needed.
they were in the lead 4 like 2 days
Whoever wins at the big dept. stores like Wal-Mart and Target will be the one that wins the format.
That Wal-Mart has chose HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. And HD-DVD players are going to cost under $300. This isn't a small company we are talking about, its Wal-Mart, the biggest company. If Wal-Mart decides to go with one and not the other, then the one they choose will win, not the one you "want" to win.
That news is not clear yet my friend. Go and read my posts. Before we get more information about that...all the evidence points towards it being a sub $300 blu-ray player, since TDK are making it...the original creators of the blu-ray disc who are on the Blu-ray Board of directors. It's very common to call the blu-ray format "Blu-ray HD-DVD" and it is very hard to distinguish from the translation, yet the three names that are mentiond, Apple, TDK and Fuh Yan all point towards Blu-ray and not HD-DVD.
So lets wait and see aye?
Where did you get Apple?
Apple does back blu ray, but it's new OS is set to support both formats.
The Wally world in my area has Blu-Ray movies stocked next to the PS3's. Picked up Casino Royal there yesterday.
Why do you think this story was even found to post. Doesnt matter any how!; it depends on mass adoption of what ever Players the masses choose just like in every other format war.
Let them believe what they wan't people in the Sony camp are never right about anything that they predict or claim.
Lets see if I'm right or not.
EDIT: Someone disagreed. Dont you know PoG?
Like it or not, Walmart is the HD DVD saving grace, believe it.
the Wal-Mart story of 2 million HD-DVD players at a wholesale cost of $50/unit proves accurate. When I first read the article I didn't see how it could possibly be HD-DVD players with TDK's involvement as their website only boasts about Blu-ray, but with a bit more research I turned up an interesting tidbit that TDK was responsible for the 51GB HD-DVD:
that the only people really pushing, and saying in nearly every article that blu ray is the dominate format and will be the dominate format is sony employee's?
I mean seriously, all these Xboxers are always defending it for no other reason other than they want to see Sony/PS3 fail. They know that if BR does win the Format War, PS3 is virtually guaranteed success. Probably 5% of them actually have the HDDVD add on so they have no real personal interest other than what I already said.
Personally I only want one HD movie format. A year ago I woundn't have cared which one it is. Now however, I have a PS3 and a growing BR collection, so you know which one I'm going for. BR just has all the ticks in the right boxes. The studio support, the growing userbase and the public perception that its going to win. The sooner the better IMO so people can stop worrying about a winner and start embracing HD movies.
Walmart has chosen HD-DVD over Blu-ray because they sell a lot of Toshiba products...and I assume are being paid by Toshiba.
Companies getting screwed by Wal-Mart:
- HD movie format owners...
I've seen it myself...it's a huge battle around my town. When a kid looks at the High Def formats...he covers one of them up with the other. <That's what happens here. Has anyone else seen it? Because there's a group of like 25 xbox fanboys in my town...and they go there EVERY day and do that. They can't stand to see Blu-ray win. Wait...Sony was right? FRICKIN' YEAH!
first off - people who are buying next gen shat dont go 2 wal-mart for it
they go to bestbuy - futureshop - sony store...and i know bestbuy is choicing bluray last time i checked.
and even if that was the case - the PS3 is gonna out sell everything - like it or not PS3 has already decided what format is going 2 win
5 months - 3million bluray players in homes - and it continues 2 grow...and with home coming to cover the online and BIG! titles at the end of the year...and im telling u rite now if the rumors of FFVII are true - i dont see any1 that has played and loved that game not buy it or go buy a PS3 for the game alone - it simply is to great
and fulconer said it best
"Now Toshiba and co need to do the honourable thing and concede and buy a BD licence. Come to think of it, likewise M$ xbox 360. The faster Micro$oft becomes a pure games developer(eg Sega) the better. I can't wait to see Halo, Forza, Viva etc on my Ps4.......the next gen victor"
it's so obvious. everybody will buy bluray because they can play it on their ps3 which i think will reach the "5 million sold" mark by the end of the year.
Perhaps that's the problem. How much does Sony charge for the privilege of manufacturing Blu-ray media/players?
If TDK is backing Blu-ray then why are they working behind the scenes to keep the GB count between Blu-ray & HD-DVD near even? 50GB Blu-ray vs. 51GB HD-DVD. Why are they working with Wal-Mart to undercut the price of Blu-ray players? Also, Apple is supposed to be backing Blu-ray which doesn't explain why the latest version of DVD Studio Pro is shipping with HD-DVD support, not Blu-ray.
The facts portend a grim future for Blu-ray. It appears as though the industry began shifting away from Blu-ray the beginning of the year & now Wal-Mart is standing up to announce a retail shift as well.
Apple was suppose to have Blu-Ray drives in it's Mac line up by now, but it hasn't happen yet.
It was suppose to happen back in the 1st qtr 07.
After seeing dual support for both formats in Leo developer seeds, I believe Apple might be working toward a dual format drive.
I also wonder, if the Intel allegiance has also changed Apples stance on the HD-DVD format.
Intel recently gave exclusive(limited time frame) rights to Apple to use it's new 8 core Xeons in it's Mac Pro's.
Here is South Africa there is not even a HD-DVD player available. The only titles in store is BluRay titles. The only BluRay players that have seen is the PS3. So down here it is simple - PS3 will beat everything (Have not even seen a Wii down here) - and BluRay will dominate, well, will be the only format.
Over here you can get a PS3 on a Cellphone contract.
blu-ray will win for 1 simple fact. it's not just a movie format 50gb bd-r's will get less expensive along with the burner's. multimedia format with 25-50 gb is something my pc needs
HD-DVD has 51GB and is just awaiting approval by the DVD forum.
I hear HD-DVD can do 150GB and Blu Ray can do 250GB on 10 layers, but it needs a new diode to use them.
Everything gets less expensive over time.
I just hate to see the prices on a 50-51GB RE HD disc.
Probably $50 bucks or more.
i don't like the way it says edges out, leadin 2:1 is pretty substantial
TDK is also developing a 200gb, 6 layer BD disc internally.
they are keeping their options open, but they know that Blu Ray is in the lead, and has been for the past 3, 4 months now.
each time Sony sells a PS3, that's another Blu Ray player in people's homes.
sure, the PS3 isn't selling 500,000 units every month, but 150,000-200,000 PS3's a month here in the US is still 150,000-200,000 new Blu Ray owners. and it's not like a PS3 purchaser doesn't know that his/her new PS3 comes with a Blu Ray player, so it's a no brainer that they will purchase a Blu Ray movie or two, even if they don't have the HDTV to show it off, simply out of curiousity.
with the continually dropping prices of HDTVs (i'm picking mine up at the end of May for roughly $500), the people are going to want HD content, and Blu Ray, with it's massive industry support, will have more content ultimately.
most of my friends that own an X Box 360, don't own the HD DVD drive because A.) they don't like add-ons, and B.) they bought their 360 for games. those same friends that own 360's own PS3s, and they buy Blu Ray movies because A.) their PS3 plays Blu Ray movies as well as games, and B.) their PS3 plays Blu Ray movies as well as games.
if Microsoft had bit the bullet and included HD DVD in the 360, instead of being scared about it, HD DVD would have probably won the format war. since they didn't, Blu Ray is taking the win.
of course, this works out for MS anyway, as the folks who ran out and bought their HD DVD add-on will now have to run out and buy their Blu Ray add-on, so MS gets more money anyway.
hey, now i understand why they went with their strategy. you clever monkies, Microsoft!
ironically enough, i don't own any Blu Ray movies yet, mainly because if i'm going to spend $30 on something, it's going to be a video game, but once i get my HDTV, i'll probably pick up a few. my roommate has the movies i'd want to see on Blu Ray anyway (Superman Returns, Terminator 2, MI3, and Casino Royale), so i just watch his discs.
anyway, i think this format war is stupid, and i'll be glad when it's over. Blu Ray is the better format, especially now that they are using the same video codecs as HD DVD. Blu Ray is also using equal or better audio codecs, and the price of both formats are identical, so the real decider becomes content, and we all know that Blu Ray has more studios supporting it, thus, more content.
if Blu Ray wins, it's not like 360 owners are losing out, as most of them haven't bought the HDDVD drive, and the 360 doesn't have one built in.
the prolonging of this war with acts such as the HD DVD camp did when they scheduled their buying day is hurting us all in the long run. i do wish the Blu Ray camp wouldn't retaliate, as that's just going to prompt another retaliation, and studios and retailers will continue to be finicky and uncertain about which one they want to back. the sooner THEY make up their minds, the better.
the consumer is choosing Blu Ray, however, so you'd think the choice would be obvious.
PS3 is not going to win Sony the format war, the only thing it stands to do is lose them the console war. Since launch PS3 sales have trended down sharply in North America. Sure, during the first week of Jan. 70K units were sold, but sales have trended down around 5K units a week since & landed at just under 19K units sold the week ending Apr. 15.
Honestly, I'm amazed that the PS3 has managed to sell as well as it has. That having been said, as bad as sales are today, they have yet to bottom out. And, don't even bother with the "just wait for Title X" argument because Motorstorm only managed to move around 8K units the week ending Mar. 11th & nothing has been able to pull the PS3 out of it's nosedive since.
Blu-ray never stood a chance of winning the format war on it's own which is why Sony grafted it onto the PS3, but now the only thing Blu-ray is doing is choking the life out of the PlayStation brand.
Well that was a load of bull. There are more stand-alone Blu-ray players in homes. Blu-ray discs are cheaper to buy. There are more titles and more studios. PS3 has not bombed, and even if it was it would still get more blu-ray players into homes. Yet the ps3 is not yet needed, since there is no way the format could gain the lead it has now with only the ps3. More titles, lower priced titles. That's whats doing it.
To below. I agree it's to close to call still...but "According to the numbers from VideoScan, since its inception there have been 844,000 Blu-ray units sold, while there have been 708,600 units sold for HD-DVD." - there are more stand alone Blu-ray players than HD-DVD.
The war is far from over. All you people calling it for Blu-Ray probably only have a PS3. Blu Ray couls turn out to be the UMD for the PS3, while HD-DVD caters to home theater buffs. Face it, HD-DVD is still outselling Blu Ray set top boxes, and will conitunue to do so as price drops. And no, I am not a 360 fanboy. I have both formats. My family still gives the picture quality edge to HD-DVD. As for sound, how many of you actually have a reciever that can decode the nex-gen audio formats?
All right fanboys...have at me
Now why is it you say that HD-DVD caters to home theater buffs and Blu-Ray does not? Both are merely discs that contain movies, both provide 1080p video, and high-fidelity audio.
If HD-DVD caters to home theater buffs more, then why have Blu-Ray movies been outselling HD-DVD for the past few months, consistently? HD-DVD only briefly re-took the lead because of a concerted effort by HD-DVD owners going on a buying spree, with Blu-Ray jumping right back into the lead immediately afterward.
Now whether HD-DVD has better picture quality, I can't say. I've only seen Blu-Ray in action. Yet, remember how betamax had better picture quality than VHS, but VHS won the war. Unfortunately quality doesn't always spell out who the winner will be. (just look at the way the Nintendo Wii, the LEAST powerful of the three new systems, is trouncing both the PS3 and the 360 by a LARGE margin)
I'm not saying that you're wrong in what you're saying, I'm merely wondering why it is you feel so strongly about your point of view.
Figboy has some good points. I own a 360 and I am not going to buy any add-on or standalone until this war is over.
To me this means three outcomes:1)One side wins outright. 2) CHEAP dual-format players in the sub-$199 range. 3)All studios start releasing on both formats.
I realize that any of these is probably not going to happen soon. But being a person who has an actual budget and having spent the last 6 years updating my VHS to standard DVD's, I cannot justify starting all over again with a format that may not be here(or hard to find) in a couple years.
Besides, what I hate about these headlines is that they never show the actual #'s of discs sold. It is only the percentage of the high-def market. I think based on what I have read, only roughly 1 million discs have sold on both sides in a whole year! That is so pathetically small compared to standard dvd sales it is laughable. What that says to me is that only the high-def savvy are buying these discs and that joe-six-pack doesn't even realize this war exists.
Dedicated HD-DVD players out-sell Blu-Ray 4 to 1.
Coupled with dropping prices on HD-DVD players, the ratio will increase.
The ratio does not include PS3, 360 add-on or PC drives. The PS3 may be the only weapon left on the Blu-Ray side. By the time Blu-Ray players drop to $500, HD-DVD will be under $300. Studios will follow the money. Just look at the video game industry for an example. How many companies dropped exclusivity to make money on the 360? MGS4 is the only major 3rd party exclusive left (as of now).
YEs, Blu-Ray leads in disc sales, but once HD-DVD gains ground being within reach by most consumers, disc sales will increase, and studios will end up suporting both.
To many specail circumstances have jaded sales figures. The Amazon clearance. The bundled Blu-Rays. The flood of new Blu Ray titles earlier this year. This year when things stabalize, the numbers will refect. What are you all gonna say when the Matrix trilogy releases and HD-DVD pulls ahead?
As I stated earlier, I have the 360 add-on and a PS3, and have titles on both. But looking at the big picture points to HD-DVD eventually pulling ahead, based on the dedcated player sales. You cannot win a movie format war based on a video game machine.
My bad...I was quoting number of discs sold...not stand-alone players. Stil hard to call aye? Ps. we are still not aware whether the walmart are HD-DVD or Blu-ray...lost in translation
You're preaching to the converted Scrump...your banana picture always makes me think you're angry...
My interest in consumer electronics goes beyond video games, and always has. As I am almost thirty and going back to college to finish my degree, many of my research papers have a consumer electronics theme. This allows me to get all the facts while I write papers, and draw from personal experience.
That's why I see the parallel between Blu-Ray and UMD. Both formats had a hugely successful start. Both formats cater to gamers who enjoy movies, which most of us do. After the gamers are satisfied, what about the mainstream consumer? Movie viewers outnumber gamers by an extremely large margin, especially this generation. You cannot base the movie format industry on a video game machine. UMD was touted as the "movie walkman" and was supposed to go beyond the PSP. It was to be the next revolution in portable media. The fact is, Sony has not had a single success in the format business. Look how many studios backed out after they realized the UMD format could not be supported by a video game machine.
If we look at player sales right now, it seems the average home consumer is choosing HD-DVD by 4 to 1. That is a critical fact, as player sales will directly influence movie sales for the mainstream. HD-DVD titles (excluding the combo discs) are still cheaper than Blu-Ray as well, at least on Amazon.com.
Now what if Blu-Ray wins? I won't be mad, as I have a PS3. Both formats offer a fantastic movie experience. I do like the Interactive Movie Experience (IMA) on HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray does not have this yet. When they do implement their version this fall, most existing Blu-Ray players(excluding the PS3) will be obsolete and unable to use this feature. That will be a major blow to the Blu-Ray camp as well.
As for studio support, I had to initially back HD-DVD due to the Universal Studios library. I am almost certain the studios will eventually jump sides or support both by the end of the year. I didn't say which studio or which side though. Things will change as the formats increase in presence and sales.
The Wal-Mart issue: Once the translation is verified as to which side the order is for, this could determine the format war. I would guess it's Blu-Ray, as Wal-Mart is the number 1 US retailer for Playstation products and would not want to ruin their business relationship with Sony.
I am with you all one the 1 format issue. But I feel this whole debate has been argued in Blu-Ray's favor by Sony fanboys.
Take a step back and look at the big picture.
"When they do implement their version this fall, most existing Blu-Ray players(excluding the PS3) will be obsolete and unable to use this feature. That will be a major blow to the Blu-Ray camp as well. "
This makes me think of my PS2 issues.
It would play most DVD's, but then I had some it wouldn't play.
Thats when I bought a stand alone DVD player.
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