WITH TWO OVERLAPPING events, Microsoft admitted what many have been saying all along, Vista, aka Windows MeII, is a joke that no one wants.
i doubt MS will ever say that.. but looks like they are feeling the heat!
No one said anything of the sort, in fact Windows Vista is the greatest windows yet, especially for gaming. And no, nobody usually upgrades to a new system, it's all and I do mean ALL of the new systems bought from now on will have Vista installed and then soon everyone will be enjoying LIVE ANYWHERE playing vs Xbox 360 live.
Awesome gaming is ahead, just awesome.
wow...i dont know whats worst...how retarded you are..or how high up microsofts d!ck is in ur ass.
Use some common sence next time when you reply.
XGamer... ignore people like risk... Unless is anti-microsoft they don't want to hear what you have to say... If you like the xbox or windows for them you automatically have to be a droid or " d!ck is in ur ass.". You can't possibly be a happy customer. We see a lot of:
"Mac OSX rulz!
Live with it!"
And all I have to say is... you are the one who have to live with it... you are the one that feel the need of having everyone to adopt a product that you like. One word PC = More games. Now go and play with photoshop. which by the way it's also available for windows.
Use what you want to use... and play what you want to play... stop trying to make people eat the $h!t you eat.
RUN Risk!!!! You've been reported
Why in the hell would PC owners want to PAY to play against 360 owners?PC online gaming is FREE, you'd be a dumb-ass to pay for live on your PC.
Use common spelling when you reply. :) 'Spell Check' is for your benefit.
But honestly, I can take that you like XBox Live it's a pretty good setup but honestly Vista is not a good product. You say it's the best for gaming but the host of driver and software problems say otherwise.
Half of you blind mice running your mouths about vista amongst other things don't have a damn clue as to what your talking about. Most of the smack you are talking comes from more craps that you read from other idiot that don't know what they are talking about either.
Some of you guys can spread BullSh!t like a virus. You read post from some people and you can see that they have some kind of intelligence, they there's the bandwagoneer, who is like an echo, they hear it and they repeat it as if it came from them to begin with. Please you really starting to become unbearable.
Is very anti-microsoft if you can't tell from this post. It's a site based in UK i think and they do have decent news and are fairly up to date on things but when it comes to Microsoft i take whatever they say with a grain a salt. Vista may not be doing fantastic but it's a new OS and people like XP still so of course theres going to be some reservation about adopting any thing new. Vista is a good OS and it'll just take time.
Windows Mell? What does that mean? Did the nerds of the world unite and try to come up with the dumbest way to make fun of Vista they could imagine? Gah!
-I got a computer with Vista on it. And it works. And it's pretty. You can do the same.
-OS upgrades happen all the ****ing time! Anyone remember Win1.x, Win2.x, Win 3.x, Win 95a/b, Win 98/SE, win NT, win ME, win 2000, and Win XP? Apparently not.
-How mane people simultaneously whine that XP is too old, and needs to be replaced, yet moan about changing to Vista?
Somebody needs a diapey change.
ME II (ME 2) as in Vista is Windows ME 2.0
Good thing I won't upgrade till' the summer or so:)
Hell, Vista sucks bigtime. That's my opinion. They didn't even had a Vista version for MSN ready at launch... Lol. And about 75% of all chipsets are not supported. LOL!
Let me start by saying I have Vista, which was pre-installed on my computer. The thing is the average customer does not want to pay for a separate install, and the only way they will get it is through OEM. I have nothing but good thing to say for vista it is a RAM "whore" so aslong as you have adequete ram your fine. Just give it time and programs will be released that better take advantage.
I think Windows Vista is nothing different from XP, its just XP but it looks nicer. Give it a year and a price drop and more people will buy it. People will contiune to use Windows XP for many years to come.
came in with my new laptop. I mean, I like it, but it's still do pretty much the same as XP did. It's better than XP but not by much.
Mac OSX rulz!
Live with it!
It's always the same bloody mayhem with every Windows release. First people wait for it to come, then people will trash it. Then comes service pack or 2 and all are using it as they did use earlier versions.
Vista runs great on a Mac, so who needs PC's
Best of both worlds buddy. Did you know that MS bailed Apple out back in the 90's I believe? I bet they're kicking themselves for that one. But I guess competition is good for everyone so thanks MS.
Nothing like news and opinions from The Inquirer, that steadfast bastion of integrity and good taste!
"Microsoft is going to die"
That is the conclusion of this article. You may now laugh.
the hell did this become news?.
And this is not going to stop me from getting it.
The Inquirer is not a trusted news source.
Having said that - Vista will be slow to take off. At work I had all the Vista machines send back (massive corporate company) We won't allow Vista machines on the network until at least service pack 2. Don't trust it, compatibility not up to scratch etc. But that was the same with XP, with 2000, with NT etc.
After two years or so, Vista will take off. In the meantime - XP will be standard - until MS as usually - will make some sort of new equipment useless with XP by refusing to release drivers for it. (Like with NT - no USB drivers - thus forcing people to move to /xp) As with XB by not releasing anything new for it and only focusing on XB360. As will be the case with the 720 when on release no titles will be forthcoming for the 360. If you buy MS and are happy with it - then good. Otherwise, take note, and don't whine when they do it. That is just how there business model works. Vista will not flop. It will fly - just wait for some new hardware to come out and see how MS stops support for XP.
but i don't really hear about the problems, other than most computers not being able to run it. Thats understandable, its the 21 century, people need to upgrade form their ancient pentium 3 computers with 128mbs of ram. Now recently my parents got a new vista computer(its not much more powerful than mine Core 2 duo with 2gigs of ram, i have an athlon 64 dual core with 2gigs of ram running xp media center, and i like it) but it works pretty well.
Either way, ill wait and save up to get vista ultimate, in a year when all the "problems" are gone.
As for these problems, most of those probably happened on low end computers. In order for most people to even run it, they have to upgrade, even then they probably should buy an 800 dollar computer.
Quite a few MS supporters, the same people who get all in a rage about PS3 news. Interesting.
Anyhow, it is just a matter of time MS monopoly would begin to show a weakness. Happened with Detroit and the Japanese auto makers and it will probably happen with MS who is the biggest recipient of government subsidies in the country right now. It makes for lack of innovation and the use of strong arm tactics to get your way but, but eventually fear isn't enough. I gave up on MS products a while ago, who needs their computer assaulted by spyware and viruses all the time.
Its funny how some of you MS fans are using the excuse that Vista just needs more time while developers get the hang of things but you go on the PS3 section and chastise them for not using the Cells full potential right away. Kinda hypocritical to me but it's just an observation.
I guess the last part is directed at bladestar and XGamer, 2 of the biggest MS fanboys on this site. Kudos to you both for your dedication. And to risk, sorry they reported you bro, guess we win some and we lose some. Thoroughly entertaining though. I shall leave you some positive feedback sir.
Lighten up folks, MS and Sony are doing well and they will both mess up from time to time. MS is doing what they thought would get them the most money, if it backfires they will do something else.
i read most of what everyone else wrote, and i came to the same conclusion. "give it time, give it time." you say that for vista, but flame when we say it for ps3. hypocritical if you ask me.
as for vista, i didn't like using it. i used it on a decently equipped computer, and the bells and whistles didn't appeal to me much. i'll wait for jaguar to come out before buying my macbook :-p
my computer is a dell xps410 i was going to wait for the next gen cards but my parents did not want to spend that kind of money so heres the specs
nvidia 7900 gs
home premium but want to get ultimate always can get express upgrade
20inch widescreen moniter
first off vista fixes all problems with xp, makes it easyier to find files with search/ smart files it looks nicer and has more features
i have used linux ubuntu,xubuntu,kubuntu, mac osx10 tiger and i can say that
linux=sucks nuff said cant do anything on it useless
mac osx10=is good! orginated a few features that are in vista today but is mostly used to create your own stuff like your own music video and web so on which is cool all in the box
vista= microsoft most polished os ever!!!Vista is more for entertainment/gaming and business. i say if they had to work on vista microsoft still needs to work on voice reconition. i have a new logitech mic for vista got it for $35 and overall it worked but there would be times i would say nothing and words would pop up...so thats about all i can find for now
so yep i find vista to be amazing but i wished i would have ultimate main reason mostly Dream Scene [video in background] so guys like me can put a big porno in HD as my wallpaper JKKKK =)
You are a joke. You really have to take it out of your mouth.
"linux=sucks nuff said cant do anything on it useless"
Okay, what can we use on Linux:
The Gimp or Krita
F-Spot or DigiKam
etc, etc, etc.
...as well as XGL/Beryl providing a 3D Desktop which equals or betters any eye candy from Vi$ta.
...with Linux being used on Servers and the top ten Supercompers with its unix roots(power, more secure, more stable).
Hmmmmmmm? Why would one use Linux? Does saving $,000s mean anything being that it's free. Yes, that's FREE. Not pirated but Free!!!!!
It's obvious you know nothing about linux or do but because your pay cheque's from Billy Gates(or he's your b*tch), you have to tow the the line. Poor Fella.
I'm a Linux fan and even I know Apple's OsX pawns Vi$ta anyday. Now if only Sony were to develop its own Unix or Linux based OS for its Playstation then Winblow$ is really screwed, especially when PS wins the console war and with all those potential Linux units in homes.
RIP the PC. Most PC users don't need a high spec PC...and winblow$ come to think of it.
But for the time being, we have to be satisfied with turning our PS3s into a PC Console by loading Linux and FOSS.
So now, I'm a Laptop(mobile workplace) and PC Console(gaming, internet, media center, productivity) only man. I have no need for a PC.
oh man hahaha... best line ever, shows exactly the mentality of a lot of fanboys on this site... "my parents didn't want to spend the money" Classic man.. stop spending your parents money and get a part time job.. then you can pay and appreciate what you get for your money.
Bonsai1214, but i'm not really hearing any real problems with vista aside from older weaker computers not running it, and I'm not going to think otherwise if someone just say so on here. The same goes for if someone says a bunch of crap about Macs. Im not big on macs but i don't think they suck(i kinda dislike the ipod though).
The only reason i'm waiting btw is im saving up for ultimate, 2 gigs more of ram(i already have a 2 gig athlon 64 bit dual core processor @ 2.00GHz), and i'm uping the graphics card(i currently have an nvidia 6100) all at once.
Even though i could run ultimate right now probably.
Now as for the PS3, i am giving it time as well.
For me mostly its just a financial issue.
Hope someone rights a Linux Dx10 driver and im out. Windows is lame and for people who dont know how to use a computer.
Vista has offered nothing but a bloated operating system.
If they had DX10 on Windows XP no one would buy it PERIOD.
Go get it off bit torrent if you want it, already hacked like every other Windows System.
they talk about choices, add-on blah blah... but not for dx10 didn't they? you must get vista to have DX10... to upgrade Vista... you need a powerfull hardware... where is the choice?
I've known windows since windows 3... and it's all sux
Now I'm using using powerbook, and very pleased with my new macbookPRO
I can install vista on my macbookPRO, but why bother?
get bill gates in here !
"you said windows 98 would be faster with better access to the internet !"
"it is faster over 9000 # BANG ! #
Vista will take over eventually. Can't stop that. There aren't many problems with Vista other than with older computers and games.
That said, what really takes the cake on this article is the claim that Microsoft is selling Vista with Office 2007 in developing countries, indicating its a failure. Microsoft is NOT selling Vista for $3. That's Windows XP in that package. And the decision to sell XP rather than Vista isn't an indication of Vista's failure either. Rather, it is an indication that more PC's in developing countries aren't modern enough to handle Vista.
Never trust any "news" organization called "the Inquirer". Come to think of it, never trust any "news" organization at all. They often misreport or outright lie. (In this case, misreport.) Reporters rarely get facts right.
to Vista downgrade your framerate.
chances are if you have a slow computer it would slow down compared to xp. But thats a given.
The draw back to vista is you need a decent computer, but sooner or later that needs to happen. People cant just keep using a computer with a Pentium 3 or 4 processor. They need to upgrade.
and Ps3007 why does vista suck? I will try to give you a bubble to respond but people will probably put you back to one bubble again. If possible, tell me cause aside from problems on slow computers, i haven't really heard anything bad.
Written by a overly passionate awwwwww, DORK.
Dude, this is the Enquirer, need we say more. Moving on now...
"These two actions by Microsoft are proof of what I suggested three years ago. Microsoft has lost its ability to twist arms, and now it is going to die. It can't compete on level ground, so is left with backpedalling and discounts of almost 100 times.
What we are seeing is an unprecedented shift of power. It is also an unprecedented admission of failure. And the funniest part about the moves made? They are the wrong things to do. Microsoft is in deep trouble."
there is low times and high times for a company.
Sony recently as well(though they are doing better) did pretty badly.
But anyways. No one answered my question about vista. What is wrong with it aside form slow running computers.
Now maybe people are unhappy about upgrading their computers, but really considering what i have seen people using, its about time they upgrade.
Also Msoft is far form collapse unless they get a crushing blow like Enron, they aren't going anywhere.
Maybe think about the validity of an article before you go beleiving it.
And also i don't see any quotes in that article. So why should i take it seriously? Its the enquier.
But i guess fanboys will believe anything that matches with their agenda. Whether it be anti sony, nintendo, or msoft.
vista will eventually come out on top due to M$ market dominance. It's inevitable.
Now I can only hope and pray that Google, Oracle, IBM or Sony develop their own distribution of Linux or Apple ports OsX to the PC. Or that the PC Console becomes the benchmark for gaming consoles - eg PS3.
XP already does the job. In the same way, why buy the latest version of MS Office when the current or prev version provides you with everthing you need? It's not like we're talking about entirely new products.
It doesn't make sense to fork out more money $$ for something you already have and even more money $$ for hardware so that new piece of software is working at its best.
Micro$oft has a cash cow with its OS monopoly on PCs.....and now they are trying to do the same with game consoles.
I don't hate xbox 360 and the games on it - far from it - but I do hate Micro$oft because they are clearly seeking to monopolize gaming as they have OS.
Xbot fanboys, jump the fence. Don't let Micro$oft win. The faster M$ loses the console war, the faster they'll focus on game development only(eg Sega) and port their games to the Playstation. I can't wait to play Forza, Viva, Halo etc on my Ps4.
inflating sales figures for Vista has pissed off investors big time, and even regular consumers are finding this out for themselves. No one really wants Vista since it has high spec requirements (i.e. hundreds in hardware upgrades) and the fact that it's invisible software.
The other problem is that the computer market is fairly saturated, and unless tens of millions of PCs start falling apart there won't be any mass uptake of Microsoft's new OS.
but really thats the only problem i have heard about vista. The specs it takes.
But i think its about time people start upgrading, cause frankly, what a lot of people are running is 6 years old.
Still no one has answered my question.
.. most people like their computer as it is.
Why upgrade to Vista when your current computer with XP works fine as it is? For more bells and whistles with the same functionalities? Do people really want to shell out more money for this?
A lot of people have old computers, just like 90% of people have an old TV. Maybe I should revert back that question to you: why don't people upgrade their TV to a large screen HDTV? And yet, only 90% of the market only has HDTV. Do these people really feel the need to upgrade their TV?
Do people really want to shell out mroe money for hdtv?
You make a good argument that Vista's only downfall is it's requirements. I also believe that is true.
In MY opinion though, that is a HUGE setback. Who else other than the type of people on this website really require high-end PC's? I think that Microsoft has sat on XP for so long that people have realised they can already do everything the normal person would need to do on a PC with XP i.e. web browsing, gaming, storage. I know this has been the same case with all Windows operating systems, but XP has been out for a while and has proven itself stable and reliable enough to handle the normal person's computer needs.
That and the Windows VS Mac commercials are pretty funny.
are that there some "new" features that m$ claims are there, but if you've been keeping up with other OSs such as linux or 10.4, pretty much everything in vista has already been done. to many, vista is an odd mashing of OS X and linux that has a unique look to it.
however, i have no doubt that vista will eventually become standard, just because when people buy new computers (every 2 to 3 years), they'll hopefully buy computers with decent specs and will be able to run vista
Man their is nothing wrong with Vista at all. My roommates mom just bought a new HP Laptop today and it was $1100 and this thing has everything and Vista premium and I was very jealous. The OS is awesome, it's smooth, it's intuitive and runs very well. I see no problems at all with it and she only has 1GB of memory and they recommend 2GB's. In all honesty anybody who doesn't want to upgrade their computers every 5 something years is weird, anything that is pre-packaged with Vista has the specs to run the OS smoothly
Xp is like 720p its the sweet spot why visa is 1080 we just really aint there yet.
"Microsoft has lost its ability to twist arms, and now it is going to die."
Yeah I never saw any quotes of M$ admitting Vista is a failure, -lol, I think the truth is that Vista isn't a neccessity and you need a upgraded PC to run it properly. XP pretty much gets the job done for the majority everyday users....only users planning on running high spec games really want Vista...but for the Inquirer and M$ haters of course if it isn't an instant success that can only mean that M$ is dead. In 2 yrs when a variation of Vista is being widely used, I'm sure the Inquirer, Linux supporters, and the rest of the M$ haters will have another reason why "M$ is going to die", and 2, 3 yrs after that doesn't happen, well you know.....
Micro$oft is a business - providing goods/service for a profit $$$.
Securing, maintaining or expanding market share is essential for any successful business.
Various tactics such as vendor lockin, OEM, IP or discounting are used to achieve the objective. Those tactics get even worse when a company is a virtual monopoly.
Now Micro$oft has entered the gaming console industry. They don't want healthy competition especially when they've had a monopoly with its Winblow$ crap on the PC for the last 20 years - and dictated their will to us.
But they won't get their monopoly with game consoles as their competitor is a successful multi-billion dollar company with a decade of experience - Sony - unlike the Linux and open source comminity who have never had serious capital investment.
The tide is slowly moving in Sony's favour(growing library, better net service). Once Sony promotes PS3 as a PC Console with Linux and FOSS already installed then they'll finally put the nail in the coffin for M$.
It's unlikely - not impossible - the xbox 360 will become a PC Console because it will reduce the revenue M$ gets from its OS on PCs. A 360 PC console would also force Sony to either create its own sleek & optimized distribution of Linux or turn GameOS into a full OS - which would mean a powerful competitor with Winblow$. Micro$oft really, really, REALLY doesn't want to force Sony to play its trump card.
Let the OS war begin - aka console war - and to the victor the spoils.
It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Really the tide is turning for ps3? last time I checked it had big launches then immediately lost all steam. Japan, It sold alot in the first week or 2, then demand dropped like 70%
America the same thing, Europe it sold supposedly 600,000 in a week then the next week demand dropped 82% and is still dropping.
In reality I do believe ps3 is geting its ass kicked in all regions, In japan its geting its ass kicked by ps2, psp, ds, and wii, in america wii and 360, in europe wii and 360... atleast in sales.
There are more games I do believe set to be released for 360 in 2007 then their are ps3 games...Most every ps3 game released so far has flopped badly, and or scored lower then the 360 version.
Face it Vista will be big, And you dont know what your talking about, Microsoft never had a monopoly on innovation and stopping innovation they had a monoply on market practices and thats pretty much it.
Infact under microsofts reign there is more innovation in software then ever before, Most every thing that microsoft doesnt make a version of is highly innovative, Video editing, sound editing...ect
Face it Dell didn't drop vista completely from new systems, under user demand they continued to offer xp. But you can still get vista. It might take some time and last time i checked it all ways been that way, but vista will dominate...
P.S the bad driver issues are the fault of the manufacturer not Microsoft, weither you want to admit it microsoft has a good track record of giving driver makers the tools and code they need to make good drivers.
P.P.S: another way to tell you have not much idea of what you talk about is because you use childish immature namings of microsoft..
The Inquirer is anti-anything that is At-the-moment either:
Really in trouble,
popularly in trouble, or
they want it to be in trouble
That way, they can write all kinds of slanted, one sided and often laughably fact lacking, sensational bashing articles against what ever victim they choose.
The pc users dont have to pay for the xboxlive gold i think, and also, basically all of the xboxlive community who have a pc. so about 6000000 people will be following the live anywhere thing up
Vista will be on every PC like all other windows is and there will be a love hate relationship with it like allways.
...they said the same thing about Windows XP when it came out. XP was alot better after sp1. Same will go with Vista. And Vista will still easily make billions of dollers.
I wouldn't be all too surprised if there is some form of cooperation between MS and PC manufacturers. As someone like Dell, I'd be smiling from ear to ear every time a new version of windows gets released as it means people will need to upgrade / buy hardware from me. If MS could make something like Vista run on a 1GHz, 512MB machine, the hardware manufacturers would be up in arms (behind the scenes, of course) about it as it would hurt them real bad. It's all about you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
at least most of my question was answered.
But i have never been a PC gamer, but recently i thought maybe i should. Now i don't have the most powerful computer(amd athlon 64bit dual core 2.GHZ with 2gig of ram, 250gig hard drive, and a Nvidia 6100), but its fairly good.
so i have been thinking about vista for future purposes as well. in a few years time. if i can upgrade my os, my ram 2 gigs, and my graphics card, ill have a fairly powerful computer that will be able to play some great games. Maybe not crysis but other games as well. I used to be totally a console gamer aside from C&C. I want to play some good games.
But my other question is. If i upgrade my computer, will a 4gig, dual core 64 bit athlon 2.0GHZ processor with a good nvidia graphics card and vista ultimate(maybe not, media center is working well for me do the job for most games?
buy yourself a PS3 - will cost you 600 dollars only.
you can install Linux - almost free.
and now.. please - don't ask me why? you've already asked too many questions already! q:
I want to smack you for that post. The PS3 is and never will be a computer. Use it for it's primary purpose, GAMING!
Im amazed at how much MS is getting destroyed this month with bad PR.
I admit i hate Vista and its being sold by every manufacture of computers in the wrong way by selling it with 512megs of ram when 512 turns a 3.4ghz comp into a slow as Sh*T comp.
But how many consumers know you need 1-2gigs of memory to run that new comp at normal speed?
I cant tell if its MS being dumb to release something that needs equipment not ready for the market yet, or the dells and other comp manufactures for not selling vista on 1gig minimum comps.
I say both are at fault but MS more for not making the min requirements higher since anyone with vista knows that it really is the worst thing to have on a computer that doesn't have at least 1.5 memory.
Vista is making lots of people who run local computer shops a bit of money though when they think they have a virus making their brand new computers slow while its just Vista though hehe.
why am i not surprised that this got approved?
is vista doing great? no. did MS come out and say it's a failure? no. is this a well written informative unbiased artcile? NO.
and the title is wrong too.
When did the inquirer become a trusted tech news site?
Last time i checked it was the uk equivilent of weekly world news and the other side rack grocery store fake newspapers you know the ones with celeberty weight worry stories and bat child found in cave..
They offer both, and will for a year or so I imagine.
The Inquirer is pretty much trash reporting, much like it's namesake here in the US.
I can understand that vista will (or if you believe is) great and dx10 is a amazing tool but i am currently a XP user and i have a decent computer that runs at a rate that in my personal opinion is fast.
Now looking at vista i see the dx10 and its pulling me to lean towards a upgrade but thats only in the games department which i would still have to upgrade my computer to be fully dx10 compatible and after that vista would have taken my computer that ran what i considered fast and slowed it down so i would then feel the need to replace everything else and eventually have built myself into a entirely new computer.
which is fine some people are right and there are many who need a new computer but it is hard for me to justify taking a computer that runs fast and slowing it down.
Fact of the matter is you could have 2 equal in every way crazy fast top of the line computers load XP on one vista on the other and the XP one would be faster. That i guess is what i would call the "problem" with vista in my own personal opinion.