Forza 3: No weather, night or rally racing

Forza 3 might not include the above features, but it will include a hell of a lot more.

Turn 10 announced Forza 3 at Microsoft's E3 press conference with a short five second trailer, but then followed with incredibly impressive gameplay footage.

It's the first in the series to feature a cockpit view, and will include over 400 cars, many of which have yet to be announced.

There's been a few rumours that the game will also introduce a weather system, night racing and even off-road rally racing like Gran Turismo 5's inclusion of World Rally Championship.

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Syronicus2961d ago

Can you imagine what they would have to do to add more cars and more tracks for the off-road aspects? Sorry, but I will take it as it is and buy GT5 for the few things that Forza 3 will be missing. I just want to get in some more racing!

Rainstorm812961d ago

It looks like a great racing game for xbox but GT is and has always been in another league.

I always thought the compairisons were stupid but hey Turn 10 asked for it. Maybe they will learn to just focus on their own game and not the competitors.

The Xbox Empire2961d ago

Forza isn't GT and GT isn't Forza. Forza might not have rally and night racing but it will have many things and features GT5 won't have. They aren't trying to make the exact same game. lol

Hellsvacancy2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

But wot can Forza add that Gt hasnt already got? drink drivin perhaps

green2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

fully detailed vehicle undercarriage for cars and introduction of not just damage but full vehicle roll overs.

-Full vehicle engine,drivetrain,gearbox,igni tion,engine block and tires swap.Option to add superchargers,turbochargers or take it out to reduce weight.And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from camber,tire pressure,roll bars,gear ratios,ride height,aerodynamics,springs,da mpers,braking pressure and differentials.

-Partnership with every major tire manufacturer from Pirelli,Avon,Yokohama,Bridgest one and Michelin to get fully detailed "Tire Flexing" data from them.(The 1st in a console racing game).

-Car paint customization and 2 auction houses for Cars/tuning and paint.

Major_Tom2961d ago

And yet the cars don't control nearly anything like their real life counter-parts.

The Xbox Empire2961d ago

Does GT have an online auction house with every motorsport part you could ever dream of? Customization of everything is a huge part of Forza and GT doesnt have anything remotely close. Car roll over and realistic damage that Forza has had since the first game? Tire flex which actually effects how the cars drive and the physics? Le mans 24 hour race in France? Rewind features if you mess up?

Turn 10 hasn't announced all the features yet(it was just announced at E3)...and specifically all the online/online trading features, there will be more. It's safe to say both will have features that the other game won't, it's 2 different teams making 2 different games.

Blogs4Fanboyzz2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

well said have a bubble.

hells vacancy: see the comment from in forza, you cant be in last place and ride every single car on a corner and end up in first place....just like you can in the real driving sim that is GT.

thas rite, its sooo much like real life. i always see the same thing happening in races. a car steams at full speed upto a corner, and just rides every other car into first place. heck, i even do it on the way to work when those pesky peons aint driving fast enough and i'm going to be late.

bottom line, forza and gt have turned into the new battleground for this ongoing nerd-war! i'm fortunate enough to have both consoles, and intend to buy both games. both look stunning, and both will be great without a doubt.

cant we just leave it at that?

quick kids, hit the disagree button, it's great when you do.

Hellsvacancy2961d ago

But all that bollocks would probably require a 3rd a disk :-P

The Xbox Empire2961d ago

"And yet the cars don't control nearly anything like their real life counter-parts. "

Says who? Is that why Forza is the higher rated Racing sim since becoming a franchise? Faulty and make believe opinions don't matter.

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ThanatosDMC2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

I think people are talking about when a car in Forza 3 drove on grass at full speed without any problems especially a spinout when it was turning.

Rainstorm812961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

No no no

Forza'S TWO games are not higher rated than the entire GT series. We are on Forza 3 and the series has yet to reach GT2 car count i think it matched GT1 car count though. I like Forza customization but detailed undercarrage dosent draw me in, the real driving does and IMHO GT offers more like three games in one more. NASCAR, RALLY, REG Sim Racing. With the feature on forza to rewind if you lose or mess up during a race takes Sim out of the game.

@ major tom - you beat me to it i hate the rewind idea in forza and madden thats not simulation.

@ green - if you think GRASS will stop a car going over 100 MPH you are crazy. You may spin out but not everytime you touch grass and you do spin out in the grass on GT if you dont know what you are doing. All of which is REAL. i could see if it was MUD.

green2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

You can not drive a car across a field in Forza if you want to win a race.The car will either spin off or grind to a halt.But in GT5P,driving across the field and bumping into your opponents gives you an edge.

EDIT:@ Simonsaysbuyps3: I have played GT5p extensively that is why i know what i am talking about.That track is the Suzuka Circuit and in Gt5p you can just cut across the grass in the final S-curve to gain an advantage.That is a complete impossibility in Forza and taking that corner at any thing less than 70% efficiency can cost you up to a second when playing online, be it with all driving aids turned off or on.

Major_Tom2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

Yah, On a straight away, you lose speed by nearly half and in the final iteration damage has been added as a penalty for the rough stuff.

Your definition of 'driving across a field' is definitely exaggerated.

Edit: YA okay 'Green' that's why you can ski over the grass and sand in Forza right because it's so realistic. Please.

Natsu X FairyTail2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

NNNW wrote in a comment at the bottom

"I don't have much interest in racing games but..
I watched the developers' diary video thru the link and they mention a lot about tires and how they are affected by the weather, exhaust etc. Why would they talk so much about the weather/tires if there is "no weather" in the game?"

he does make a point there.

lets not judge the game ok.

SimonSaysBuyPs32961d ago

that trailers not in pro physic, and any way, trust me, I am a GT fan, I would know, you do slow down realistically in GT5p when you go wide on the grass, the sand is the real killer.

edgeofblade2961d ago


Why are we still obsessing over the minor details like this? Is it that important to stick a "Best" label on something?

Oh that's right. You're insecure children... I keep forgetting...

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Rainstorm812961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

GT1 - night racing

GT2 - Rally

GT3 - weather

These are not new features

@ Disagreeing Fanboys

I guess its true, the Truth does Hurt

Greywulf2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

- Painting
- engine swaps
- Tire flexing

Forza3 is NOT the first console game to include Tire Flex.. Need for speed shift already has it. They hired the programmer from the best PC rally racer to program for the title as well.

Who do you think started partnerships with tire companies in the first place? It wasn't forza.

Pretending that undercarriage modeling has anything to do with a driving simulator is just pedestrian.

Forza3 lacks any changes from Forza2 outside of cosmetics.

No weather
8 cars
No pit animations
No light cycles
No Rally
No Nascar

And the cars all look plastic because they don't reflect the track. Like GT does.

Forza3 is an arcade game at this point, with features like REWINDING AND FLIPPING OVER! lol. The Gotham kids should love this!

@ La Chance

Inferior products don't take long to make. hence the no new upgrades in forza3 outside of using hdri to light unrealistic looking vehicles that roll over and rewind.

F4 will probably be out in a few months like L4D with a brand new 60.00 price tag.

Definitive racer has 0 features & A psp game has more vehicles. lol.

lol @ 8 cars on nuburgring or lesarthe.. talk about not enough to even keep it competitive.

SimonSaysBuyPs32961d ago

Yes true, you can use the first corner on suzuka as a shortcut, it came in hand for the F40 race near the end.
I dont know if that is realistc or not. Anyway the point is, try and excelerate out of grass, in any GT, and see how much impact it has on the drivers throttle response. crashing to a halt in GT, is bad.

XboxUltimateAlliance2961d ago

lol Rainstorm do you want some kind of prize or something.

Foza isn't GT.

They don't have all the same features. Has GT has full damage, car rollover, full vehicle engine,drivetrain,gearbox,igni tion,engine block and tires swap.Option to add superchargers,turbochargers or take it out to reduce weight.And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from camber,tire pressure,roll bars,gear ratios,ride height,aerodynamics,springs,da mpers,braking pressure and differentials.(Thanks Green)

How about an auction house to trade parts and awesome paint jobs you know you couldnt make on your own? You cant even do paint customization in GT, much less autotunning, body kits and everything else.

Does GT have a tire sweel system that makes the cars behave in a realistic nature around curves and it you go off balance?

There are many more features to be announced for forza3, its still months away and we already know all these things.

Forza isnt GT, they aren't going to go do the exact same things.

So whats your point? You have none, do you?

Greywulf2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

full damage - Yes - gt5
car rollover - No most arcade games have this though, not most sims
full vehicle engine - no
drivetrain - yes
gearbox - yes
igni tion - Yes
engine block -no
tires swap - yes
Option to add superchargers,turbochargers - yes
reduce weight -yes
And also the freedom to tune even further each and every single aspect of the car from
camber -yes
tire pressure -yes
roll bars - yes
gear ratios - yes
ride height - yes
aerodynamics - yes
springs -yes
dampers -yes
braking pressure -yes
differentials -yes

Thats the problem here, you guys have no idea what you're talking about.

How many Forza2 racers have turned professional? None.

how many cars have Turn10 made?none.

How many times has ferrari debuted their new vehicles in forza3? none.

What systems for the Nissan GTR has turn10 been asked to do?None.

Again, Forza3 has nothing but cosmetic changes.. Forza2 allegedly had a dynamic tire model, yet the games physics were 100% terrible. If you want to pretend otherwise compare f3 replays to f2.. tell me f2's cars aren't gliding around the world. Thats the best thing about f3, it shows how terrible and beneath gt5p f2 was physically and graphically.

Just stop. Swapping an engine is a great feature to have, as are a few others that forza have. But they don't matter when the games physics aren't realistic. And they will more than likely be added to GT5. Which is creaming f3 when it comes to features.

Is forza3 better because of 5 features? lol. Please.

Rainstorm812961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

Majority of the features you just named was in GT1. Yes Forza has features that GT wont have, will it make it a better game? i love the customization and auction house though

Although Turn 10 has had a steady stream of pot shots at PD, yet you cant match GT's car count or have basic features that has become a staple of GT years ago. Turn 10 said "they have the racing sim crown because GT didnt show up" well they dont have to show up Forza has yet to surpass previous GT games in many ways.

I know they wont both be the same but dont try to defend the fact that a car can flip over with a detailed undercarrage but it cant have a night racing stage. Even MIDNIGHT club had day racing. Its called game evolution but im sure you arent used to that.

@ sox fan

I prefer GT4 less cars means less replayability especially when neither of those GT games were online. But the difference is small in ratings all of the games were rated fairly high, GT2 was rated high and it had 600 cars. This is why we are still waiting for GT because they dont want to start off with a 150 car count GT this gen like on PS1 and PS2.

soxfan20052961d ago

"Definitive racer has 0 features & A psp game has more vehicles. lol."

"We are on Forza 3 and the series has yet to reach GT2 car count i think it matched GT1 car count"

That's why GT3, with 150 cars, is much higher rated than GT4, with 800 cars. You guys just don't get it, it's about the quality of the racing, not number of cars in the game. But, if quantity is more important to you than quality, that's your choice.

Blogs4Fanboyzz2961d ago

do you work for polophony digital? because you're trying to hard my friend.

JOLLY12961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

I am so glad that Turn 10 is stinking to the 360 calculations per second. It is nice to know that there is a calculation being done every couple of inches, not every couple of feel like most other sims.

*EDIT* Sorry I am not quite like you grey. Trust me, I'd take the physics in Forza over gt anyday. I used to be a very big supporter of gt, then I played Forza 1. There is a huge difference. Maybe when you get a car some day, you will notice the difference.

You should really post some pics of your car. Ah... willow springs, the official track used when people want to pretend that they race. You're funny.

Greywulf2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

Im trying too hard. Thats the "buh buh well I have nothing to say" response by the way.

I know you guys love to live in denial. Which you can continue to do.Im just shocked that people didn't know you could do all of that in GT.


You're glad Turn10 is making a game for the 360.. no matter how bad the physics are, like f2.. you'll still love it :). Nothing wrong with that either. And when Turn10 comes out and says for F4 that "ok ok THIS time we REALLY nailed the physics" You will throw f3 under the bus and pretend f4 is the best sim on consoles ever :) The best thing that could happen to the forza franchise, is F3 highlighting how bad F2 was.

edit @
Jolly, my stillen g35 coupe says other wise. As do my track days at Willow Springs.

Please just stop. Its clear why you LOVE forza, its because you like to live in fantasy worlds of physics to where your lap times in the games reflect no lap times on real courses in the world, at all.You can't even use a real steering wheel with/FFB forza, and you STILL cant until october.

How about you and I race IRL :) I'd love to take your pinkslip. Or just your dignity :)


more dodging from jolly :), denial is hilarious.

Anon19742961d ago

His account is only an hour old, he's openly admitted it's a duplicate account and he's already started belittling other members on these forums for their opinions. I don't think that account is going to be around for long.

xwabbit2961d ago

Y are people talking about GT5 here ? Let the 360 only owners have half the game GT5 will be, but its something. No need to bring it up cus some will get mad and start disagreeing with facts, with their multiple accounts which i see they keep making.

La Chance2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

Oh man if GT 5 DOES NOT rate higher than Forza 3...just like GT4 DID NOT score higher than FORZA... you guys are going to be the most RIDICULOUS community to ever appear on the world wide web...EVER.

I pray for you ps3 diehards that GT5 scores higher.

edit: @greywulf : euh...what the heck you talking about ?? Anyways dont start the damage control already.
Since Forza saw the light of day, no GT game has ever been rated higher. I think u know that and youre starting to damage control already.

edit: @greywulf : I still dont understand the pure garbage thats coming out of your mouth. Where did u see that reviews dont matter ??
I give up, keep on editing if u wanna

Greywulf2961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

its hard to keep up with you guys.. since the 360 has had nothing but underwhelming releases outside of Gears & Fable since 2008. So scores matter now? Scores used to matter when people aren't getting fired for lying about reviews.

I mean, I thought prototype was better than infamous even though it flopped with scores?

Uncharted & Ratchet are better games than most of the 360's entire lineup with a score of 89 and below. I mean even though Banjo Flopped, wasn't there still a die hard community? lol.

Scores wont create more cars on track for F3, night/weather, Rally, or a better realistic simulation.


Damage control??? No im just pointing out the gigantic failure of 360 games to score well since fable2. Velvet Assasin, race pro, ninja blade, banjo kazooie, and whatever else wasn't AAA. And how it doesn't seem to matter that PS3 games score higher, until well.. it "matters" :) then scores are some how some pillar of quality? Im in the boat that scores don't matter, because of how busted the system is, but when the PS3 is in the lead with scores.. it gets no credit. Just when its behind.

edit @ jolly

IRl = In real life... not the irl series. its Internet jargon, like "LOL","TTYL& ;amp ;quo t;,"BRB". I know you can't dispute what I said about forzas unrealistic physics/hotlaps/feedback, so its good to see you want to pretend you know something about cars using the wikipedia & google. --which is why this is pointless but ill play along--

You can't dispute any of what I've said about Forza, so you're on a mission to try to discredit my track days and my vehicle? Well.. have at it.. I'm here :) its a 03 coupe w/sports package, and thats just my track car. I drive a 08 rs4 as my dd.

As Walter Sobchak so eloquently put it.. you're out of your element .... jolly.

I know you just have a wrx. And i'd spank you any day of the week.

JOLLY12961d ago (Edited 2961d ago )

I would love to know what # you are. How is Danica? I hear she can be a hot head. You are really funny grey. Which year g35 do you have? I have some questions for you regarding whatever year you have. Yes I know a poop-ton about cars. I really can't wait to hear back from you. This will be fun. I would really like to see you in the rear view of the STi.

na2ru12961d ago

not the competition and that's what Polyphony are setting out to do.