Gameztraffic writer Del takes a look at the falling numbers of PC gamers, and PC gaming as a whole and analyses what and how it all went wrong for PC Gamers.
well its simple, to stay at the pinnacle of console gaming, you must pay aroun £300 avery 5 years. to stay at the very top in PC gaming you must pay £1000 at least every couple of years.
@ pinnacle of console gaming I think that would include a few HDTVs and some other stuff you forgot to include in your estimate
yeah, it's all perceived prices, the fact that people still believe a decent PC costs $1000+ GBP (I think that's what that symbol is, which would make it something like 1600 USD I believe which is basically an extremely top tier PC) is bad as it is, be it if a person is grossly ill informed or not. Hopefully intel pushing low priced standardized GPUs with mid-low end PCs will change all of that. This article's website has a mac icon by it though so it likely reeks of bias. Not to say though PC gaming isn't in a terrible state now. Right now almost all FPS developers use consoles as their lead platforms for games, because of all of this it seems there's almost not technical innovation and no design innovation. The RTS genre and MMO genre though are still as healthy as they've ever been. The FPS genre is almost dead now though. It's just flooded with derivative xbox leftovers, but many people seem to believe this to be all PC gaming offers, or at least that's all console fanboys envied about PC gaming before, so that's why many people look at it so narrowly.
Exactly. I'm quite sure that the cost of a monitor (that are usually just as, if not higher resolution than most HDTV's) and a decent gaming PC is lower than the cost of a Console + large HDTV. Plus all the added FREE bonuses of a PC, like actually being able to use it to do things other than gaming + media. I'll stick to my "expensive" customizable PC experience, thanks.
A HDTV is not just for gaming, and this is also the first generation ever to benefit from a TV-upgrade. I say "benefit" because it's not required.
Yep and of course lets just forget that today's consoles barely last a year if you are lucky and when it's broke, it's broke. So that £300 every 5 years is a load of bull. Once your console is broke and out of warranty get ready to stump up yet another good few hundred quid for a new console. Anyway why is it this site seems obsessed with reporting the PC is dying ? are console users that insecure ?
but yeah, the HDTV can be used to view, GASP, TV! A TV (or HDTV) purchase is a large purchase that happens once in a long time while a PC upgrade seems to happen at least once every year. Now it might cost $300-400 to upgrade a PC now-a days, but since I bought my console I have had to upgrade it zero times in the last 2 years and there will be no upgrades in the next 2 years either. Not to say that PC gaming is inferior, but rather costly overall. The PC experience is different not bad, just different and better in some ways and others not.
[email protected] Did you guys even read the article? Besides the stupid title that all of you are commenting on, it was a pretty decent read. *goes back to join millions and millions of gamers gaming online on the PC every waking hour*
"goes back to join millions and millions of gamers gaming online on the PC every waking hour" Have fun in WoW!
*Looks at the thousands playing Counter-strike, Team Fortress 2, Company of Heroes, Empire: Total War, Quake Live, Call of Duty 4, Dawn of War 2, etc, etc* Yeah...
The argument about watching TV compared to a PC is pretty invalid considering you can do a lot more things with a PC also. Much more so compared to a HDTV and console. Also no, PC monitors aren't more expensive than TVs unless you get into the 30" range and compared to TVs that size yes then PC monitors are more expensive.
"A HDTV is not just for gaming" and a pc Is *GASP* not just for gaming either...
PC gaming is unforgiving. Let's say two people each build themselves a $1000 PC with a good mix of parts and configuration, but one is getting half the framerate of the other in the same game. Let's say that I buy an i7 920 (keeping $1000 as the total for both systems) and only have enough money left over for a 4850. The other guy went cheaper and stuck with a phenom II x4 940 and had enough for a 4890. Now you see why PC gaming is so uneven. Because although we spent the same total ($1000) our PCs won't result in the same performance. My CPU is a new architecture than his (i7 uses LGA 1366, while Phenoms are am2 compatible with some older motherboards) so I've done good by starting with a new motherboard. But my GPU is much weaker (4850 vs 4890), so essentially I'll have to upgrade sooner than he would have to, since his graphics chip will still outperform mine. You see the problem? Price doesn't guarantee that your config will perform as well a someone else's.
who actually read the article? Had you actually read the article you'd see that the basis of the article is that consoles are becoming more and more like pc's. Also seems to me like the author was more or less debating his disdain for playing games on a Windows OS more so than pc gaming itself. I'm still amused at console gamers who think pc gaming cost 2k and up. Any gamer could get a gaming rig that can play any game at least 2 times better than a console for around 500 bucks. The only people who buy component after component are people who try to keep up with the pc jones'
One thing though if anything this generation has shown is that people don't want consoles to be more like PCs, and the cost of making consoles more like PCs has just lead Sony and Microsoft to a point where they can't really make a profit off of their consoles, even if MS is making a small profit, it wont really be enough to recover losses from the Xbox 360 launch and then you still have the 4+ billion they lost on the Xbox after that.
I agree. The thing that separates pc gaming apart from console gaming is no one company is carrying the burden of the entire markets success. there are companies who focus on hardware, companies who focus on the sofware, then you have MSFT with the OS On the console side sony and or MSFT have to carry the burden of the hardware success, software success, and interfaces i.e xbl and psn. And as such the risk is less minimal on the pc hence the reason so many indy game makers were willing to put games on the pc way before xbl or psn were in the picture no fee's had to be pad. no certification process had to be complete. just make a game and release it on the interwebs. Looking back at the ps2 xbox era did anyone every really thing we'd be getting patches for console games and multiple sku's???
pc gaming is dead simply cause pc gamers dont buy games, they pirate the games then demand free updates and sh!t... @ free2game i think micro has been making a profit for a while now with the 360, not only that but they make a killing on the game sales and live is a huge money maker too..
no they don't, they posted 1+ billion losses for the first 3 years of the 360's lifespan, even with "killer game sales" on the original Xbox they lost 4 billion dollars on it. Small profits over the course of one year don't negate 7+ billion in losses.
every pc gamer in the world their friend. I love how pc gamers are deemed pirates and thieves when a small portion do it yet almost everyone who has access to a pc has pirate music and or movies on a regular basis. As a pc/ps3/360 gamer I don't demand anything for free. I pay for my games and I pay for dlc when the time comes. the valve l4d2 few whom you are basing your post on are the minority of the bunch. No one to my knowledge ever demanded free updates and sh!t it was always given on the pc side and thus became the norm. many pc gamers I know didn't throw a fit when fallout 3 charged for dlc nor did they throw a fit when infinity ward charged for their new maps. Those same gamers I know will purchase l4d2 if the game is worthy of a buy and continue to support games. For a platform to be dead the pc sure has some long legs......
Mcgraw-what has the L4D2 boycott got to do with piracy? For a start while I don't count myself as being one of them I do see much of their point but all the people I know that are boycotting are doing so out of Valve not delivering on the promises for the first game(though had they had to buy it for the 360 they'd have more right to moan as it cost more, performed much worse and without mods and with weaker support you got even less than the paltry package on offer to PCs)and cashing in with a second they believe won't be any real kind of improvement and just a few skins and backgrounds with a couple of mp modes thrown in. None of which is costly unlike a real SP would be-the thing which, even without engine improvements,would make the sequel far less of a money grab to many. And none of the people I know boycotting pirate their games either. They see Valve as being one of the few devs with any morals left and, as such, ae fighting to keep them that way. Free updates aren't the main thrust at all but package size, quality and kept promises and support are. Personally I feel piracy does affect PC gaming as devs can get the impression they'd be safer ,making console games-which I'm sure they've done their hom,ework on but I'm not so sure that the people who pirate as a rule were ever really buying many games to begin with-it's not like it's got easier to piraye games just recently , is it? Also the few people I know that admit to game piracy on PC(only a few more than on DS and 360 mind)often only do so when they either cannot afford a title or are unsure of it and there's no demo(and then if it is good or they want the onmline they usually buy it)-beither of which actually affec sales at all. I game less on PC these days than I once did as I got sick of buying a new mouse and keyboard all the time(and upgrading as often as I did was a pain tbh-if not as dear as people think)just to keep up with those who had. I honestly think a good set up makes a big difference in most online game genres and the way console gaming avoids this by giving all the gamers the same tech and controller(inless they have to cheat but those nobs are everywhere!)means it's a fairer and truer test of skill than PC gaming atm, imo. Also, while I have loads of great people I know from PC gaming I had started to notice the community getting a few more outspoken and condescending members over the past five years(and some WoW/MMO chatrooms/sites/guilds harbour some real idiots-caused me to give up on MMOs more than a couple of times). IDK what the reasons are either behind the slowdown of PC gaming or if thee devs are right about the losses they get from piracy and can only say why I game less on PC now(maybe there are more like myself on this topic but I can't imagine it some vast exodus on these scores!)
"pc gaming is dead simply cause pc gamers dont buy games, they pirate the games then demand free updates and sh!t..." Are you mental? To say the PC gaming community is dead shows you lack of knowledge about gaming. The 360 Install base is around 25million. Around 12 Million people currently play World of Warcraft. How can pc gaming be dead when just one game has almost half the players of the 360 install base? What about Valve? Valve are a compamy that mainly keep afloat thanks to the PC gaming market. How can a market be dead if a company that depends on it stay afloat and prosper? Why does the PC market get more exclusives such as Arma 2 if it's dead? What if we include the flash market also? Millions of people develop and play flash games exclusivly on the PC. More and more this is turning out to be a thriving market for developers. Finally you poor pirate argument. People pirate 360 games does this mean the 360 is dead? People pirate movies and music does this mean that those markets are dead? No! That is beacause only a small minority compared to the collective actually do it. It has an impact but not one so significant that you can call it "dead". Next time actually think about your post before you post it.
I just got back into point-and-click adventure gaming. I'm almost finished with The Longest Journey. I also went to bigfishgames.com and bought Syberia I and II, plus Dracula Origins for $6.99 each. I used to love the old school King's Quest and Quest for Glory games, the genre brings back memories. Plus even the latest adventure games don't require much in the way of hardware.
I hope Heavy Rain helps bring back graphic adventures into the spotlight again. I like mixing up my gaming experiences. Beat Beneath a Steel Sky a few months ago and played some of which was good and was playing Broken Sword until Windows screwed up on me. Also beat Gabriel Knight 1&2 a year ago. Really good games in all. I have a bunch on graphic adventure games that look good which I need to finish one day. Anyone interested in gettiing into Graphic Adventures should check out some review sites like adventuregamers.com and justadventure.com
Heavy Rain looks intriguing but I have to read more about it Gabriel Knight! OMG those games were cool. Thanks for the websites
But its been LESS popularised since the coming of more PC-LIKE consoles =) I love strategy games (Total War FTW) and i couldn't imagine playing one decently on a console (Halo Wars to me isn't a worthy strategy game. I'm speaking of Sim Cities and Total wars : serious strategy games) So PC gaming will always have a special place in my, and many gamers' hearts. Oh and FPS's also always better with mouse and keyboard =)
Not sure what this guy is talking about. The PC is alive and kicking and doing better than ever.
There's 300 Million PC gamers out there and about 70 million current gen console gamers. First-person shooters, Real-time strategy games and MMOs will for ever be better on the PC.
http://ask.reference.com/re... http://www.joystiq.com/2008... just google it there are plenty more saying it too, i know its not making millions in prfit just on hardware but they are not selling at a loss.. i think you are confusing the rrod loss they had, that has nothing to d with if the 360 is profitable though, they just made a really bad choice. @mcgrawgamer http://www.tweakguides.com/... http://www.vgchartz.com/for... http://www.joystiq.com/2008... i find it hard to believe that not many ppl pirate games, why do you think crysis is moving to consoles?! maybe you are just one of the few that doesnt @ pandamobile if you want to try b4 you buy then rent it or get gamefly. the chances of someone paying for the game after they pirated it is about 1% and you sir are that 1% congrats.. edit its not just spore panda, look at the tweek link i put up. im not a pc gamer so i didnt know you couldnt rent them. how about reviews?? im just saying that if you ppl love to game on pc's support it thats all. i didnt mean to single you out panda or grawgamer it just that pirates are bigger then you think
People that pirate games probably weren't going to buy them in the first place, or just as a means to try it out before spending $50 on them. That's what I do. I'll download a game off the Pirate Bay, and if I like it, I'll go and buy it. I did that with Gears of War, Call of Duty 4 and WAW, and a number of other games. Crysis still sold pretty well (one or two million) in the first year of its release despite the piracy. Spore was a whole different story. That was just a huge backlash on EA for their stupid, intrusive and all around bad way of copy protecting their game by only letting you install it 3 times before you had to get a new activation thingy. @@@ AIR1 You can't rent PC games, so downloading it off of torrent sites is almost the same thing as renting it because somewhere along the lines, people bought it to upload. And there's a lot more than 1% of people that do what I do. It's very common.
But piracy and renting have pretty much the same effect. 95% of the time, you can't play multiplayer on games you pirated unless you play on cracked servers that specifically allow it. When you rent a game, you play it for a week, and beat it, then you return it to the store either to never see it again, or go out and buy a copy. When you pirate a game, you usually wait a week for it to download, play the single player, if you like it, go and buy the game for the multiplayer, or if there's cracked servers, play those for a while to get the feel for the game, if you still like it go and buy it for the full multiplayer experience because there's going to be about 10,000 official servers, and like 10 cracked ones that usually have horrible latency. Or if you didn't like the game after you played it, then delete it, never to see it again. Same principle. PC game piracy doesn't hurt the industry nearly as bad as most people thing.
looks like people are really eating ur bubbles dude; why I don't know so I just gave you positive feedback to hopefully give a extra bubble or two. Now on topic. I'm not saying piracy is not a issue. i'm just saying it's not as big an issue as the media let's on. Even the articles you posted are looking at worldwide data even so I don't think piracy of pc games is that bad. For example you mention crysis coming to consoles. Far as I know Crysis 2 is coming to consoles not the original and even then C2 is coming to consoles because crytek and EA know the game would sell extremely well on the console. The argument that pc games are coming to consoles because of piracy I think it's more of a case of the dev and publisher knowing that many console gamers would jump at the chance to play these games and we are in a gen where consoles can now run these games efficiently. Like panda stated and many guys I know have done in the past even if they toy with the idea of pirating pc games they eventually get a official copy of the game as pirated copies are not supported, may lack features, and in some cases the hassle of finding a legit copy is too much a risk for many to take over and over. Piracy exists, but just like piracy exists in the music industry and movie industry it exists in the gaming industry and if the aforementioned industries are still alive and kicking why can't the pc gaming industry do the same?
ok, im back just finished a few fights in fight night round 4, its a bad as$ game. i got the ps3 version i heard the 360 freezes a lot. yea my bubbles get popped cause i like the 360 more and you cant say that around here, thanks for the bubble. what i meant about crysis was that the devs are making an engine for consoles, i thought that was the devs name crysis but like i said i dont follow pc games like that, i was close though crysis - crytek. i know what you mean about dropping so much money for a game that sucks, i wish they would price games accordingly i mean how can games like mgs4,gears2, uncharted, fnr4 cost 60 bucks but then garbage games like alone in the dark ( broken 360 version) i will never buy another atari game again, how can sloppy games like that cost the same?! i guess pc devs do it to them selves by not putting out a demo or something. i will admit i download music from limewire but i dont love music as much as games so i tend to hate pirated games more and its just so easy for music no modding or nothing just a simple download. i do buy the anticipated albums though like emenem, 50, ti etc. so i see what you mean a little better now, i guess i should stop being a hypocrite lol.. i think its a bit different when compared to music i dont think it costs as much to put out an album as it costs to make games this gen, movies wel, movies will always be ok so many ways to support movies and many ppl prefer to watch it nice and clear. imagine if a new up and coming dev. put out spore, they would probably be dead by now assuming that ppl that pirated it didnt get the real copy.
it's not that you like the 360 more good sir... is that you dind't copulate with your PS3 (if you don't have one, is even worse...) the famboy bubble attack (ironic that it sound like some kind of pokemon attack) is one of the cons of this site... on-topic: i came back to PC-gaming yesterday, brought HL² ep1 and i am having a blast with the game... this gen is the last gen i buy a console, i love smash bros and metroid... but it's too much money for the experience... after seeing on how the games are so linear, without mods and content... i will stick with my mod heavy UT2004 and Team Fortress... i really think... seeing in how the PS3 and the XBOX360 are becoming PCs with exclusive, closed OSs that is the consoles that will cease to exist...
Show me that $500 pc you speak of because I would love to see it. An you don't build a gaming PC to play with the settings turned down so none of that. I notice a lot of the arguments here seem to be one sided so I'll speak as someone who likes both PC an PS3. I'm currently building a new desktop as we speak its coming out to a little over $1000 with no monitor, OS, Keyboard, wireless card or mouse I'll even show you. http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... http://www.newegg.com/Produ... That's a good rig with probably not to many problems playing games in the near future an that's what it cost. It just so happens that my HDTV 32inch vizio $399 can have a pc connected to it so that saved me money on the monitor issue. Along side a PS3(Note: PS3's current Price.) that's still not as much as my pc with my pc missing a few things still. An Charmers consoles last a year? I think you need to specify what system your talking about because I've had my PS3 since day one an haven't had a single problem. For me there are experiences to be had on console an pc that just won't work any other way. On my PC I'll be playing the PC exclusives like Empire: Total War, Sims 3, Drift City, Eve online and many many more an the 1 or 2 360/pc multiplats like Mass Effect. An with my PS3 I'll be playing games like GT5 Uncharted 2 God of War III White Knight Chronicles Final Fantasy XIII Versus Infamous Killzone 2 Heavy Rain Demon’s Soul Little Big Planet Motorstorm Pacific Rif Resistance 2 Valkryia Chronicles Socom US Navy Seals Confrontation MGS4 and more in the way of exlusives an multiplats of course. Also including the likes of the Playstation network exclusives that have been a ton of fun like Whipeout HD, Flower, PixelJunk Monsters, Super Stardust HD and Savage Moon. Also a plus for me is the general typically more mature vibe you get when playing with PS3 owners even younger ones. I like to call my combination the 3 P's PC,PS3 and PSP with this combination whether you or mobile or stationary you are guaranteed to have a good time. Also if anyone has suggestions on the PC I'm open to revisions.
here's my specs: from newegg: case: antec 300 54.95 Mobo: asus m3n78-vm 74.99 usd cpu : phenom 9600 89.99 ram : g. skill 4gb 46.99 from geeks.com power supply: power king 650 watt 18.99 gpu: evga 9800gt 512mb (refurb) 109.99 got free shipping from newegg and shipping from geeks.com was only 12 bucks. granted I got my copy vista from work but even if I add vista home premium for 122.99 that's a total 530.89...still a great deal if ask me. My systems not as uber as your's but it plays most games and will play most games on pretty high settings. And my mobo is am3 ready so it does what it needs to do for me. No need for a monitor in my set up. Also someone interested could check out pcusa.com if they don't want to build one. they have some pretty good deals and some nice specials. So 500 dollar rig is very much possible. oh and I oc'd my cpu to 2.62ghz and I'm just cooling off air. And add MAG and fat princess to your ps3 list :D edit - kept my hard drive from my old rig and my keyboard and mouse is about 5 years old but they work great for me. I guess you could call me a pc gamer on a budget. You got a nice rig coming but if you aren't going sli or crossfire I'd look for another mobo personally. 2nd Edit - just checked your "upcoming" system specs more closely. here's the rundown I'd suggest you doing a little more research. looks like that asus card has quite a few complaints of running hot. you could find a lg dvd drive for about 15 bucks cheaper. that power supply is over priced imo. you can find cheaper ram and probably get the same timings with minimum tweaking of the mobo settings....so you could get that pc well under what your about to pay. Oh and that case is just fancy looking if the case fans aren't set properly you could have a small issue where the hot air just sits in the case with no way to get out causing overheating. the specs look good but I'd look for some other alternatives to some of your components.
I love how that went from "I will have a great PC for about 1000$" to, "the PS3 is awesome and look at my exclusive list!" It had nothing to do with the article at hand, unless off course we compared the fact that installing and updating games is almost just as painful on the PS3 as it is on the PC. bottom line, gaming, on any current gen console or PC is alive and kicking.
You clearly do not understand how to build a budget computer.
out of curiosity do you have a gaming rig now? I don't know of too many pc gamers who don't salvage at least their hard drive and dvd drive from a current rig, or a a keyboard and mouse. If so seems to me your throwing money away. I recently upgraded because I still had a 939 socket mobo using a dual core opty 180 cpu which was still using ddr ram. It still ran most games at medium settings I might add. Bardler and Montrealien will know just how old my rig was.....
Listing games is for d-bags. We all know what's coming out on PS3. As a PS3 owner I still appreciate PC gaming.
I have a laptop right now so I'm building fresh which is why everything is new. Not a bad budget pc there I'm just going for broke while I got it instead of having to upgrade so soon I'm just going for it now. As for the Graphics card its the only thing that isn't set in stone I'm looking into the EVGA version but everything else I've decided on an ordered. An although price is an issue for me when building this pc I want to go with everything being pretty high end. I also switched to a that slightly more expensive ram so I didn't have to deal with any extra hassle as its been said to work perfect with my motherboard. Montrealien the reason my post was written as it was is because it was in response to comments and not to the article. ElementX- I listed what I like to play on my PC an PS3 the list for PS3 is just easier because I'm picky about my PC games mainly stratagy an mmo's. I'm not building that kind of a rig to chill on myspace. An if it bothered you that much you didn't have to read it.
If PC gaming is dead like this article suggest then how come I play great exclusive games every year on my PC as well as excellent multiplatform games? I would also like to point out the fact that digital distribution has become a huge part of PC gaming. STEAM has grown exponentially over the past few years and it just proves that PC gaming is going nowhere.
that's the thing, it does not suggest that at all it just has a stupid title.
People think because PC games have crappy retail sales, that PC gaming as a wholes dying. When the they start factoring Steam, Direct2Drive and even that crappy EA Downloader thing, they'll realize that we are alive and kicking.
Budget doesn't mean your broke a budget is just the amount you can afford so I'm building on my budget. I don't want to build a PC where I'm gonna be looking for the next best thing as soon as I put in a game because my system can't cut it. Some people have gotten used to turning down the settings but that's not why I'm building my PC. mcgrawgamer I agree Mods are awesome me an about 7 of my friends played C&C Zero Hour for an extra year because of one good mod.
ah! you are just a graphics whore -_- graphics is not everything my friend... even in PC gaming...
Believe me I know I still play Xenogears, Suikoden II and FFVIII like crack on a stick. Its just that I've been on the lower end of the pc gaming market for far to long an I'm busting my *** at this summer job to earn this pc. An I'll be damn if I'm doing that to get a lower to midgrade pc. An when I say the low end I mean it, I bought C&C 3 Tiberium Wars an had to play on the lowest settings with all effects off . Took it to a friends house an turned everything on high an it just made me not even want to play it on my system. Graphics arn't everything but in some cases they can really enhance the experience ya know. Also I've gotten into FSX with my brother an I need something that can run it at topend. I also want to see games like Empire total war, Eve Online and Mass Effect the way they should be seen. On top of that I'm going to be using my 32" hdtv so I'll need whatever extra to make sure there is no issues running on a screen that big.
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