It's been 2 to 3 years since the launch of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. There are new models and phased-out models for each. Mike Got Game recently poked around the costs associated for both consoles. See which one is really cheaper.
last i checked get rrod fixed was free
If its RRoD. If its something, anything, else you're SOL. Though honestly, the guy doesn't have a right to include repair costs into the total. That blows any legitimacy the article could have had.
everything else is true. and i will add 100$ for the blue ray. it is clear that the ps3 has the better value.
+ PS3 > Xbox 360 + Wii. BUBBLES PLEASE!!
Add in a High definition TV and the X360 will cost you $1000 more than the PS3. Seriously, this is a biased comparison.
Is the crap detector... err... I mean filter broken again?
So, lets get this straight. The X360 is more expensive, and has no games, but yet outsells the PS3!
And XBOX has more hidden costs like ERROR 74, disc scratching, low battery life etc that dont fall under the 3 year warranty. And then there is XBOX LIVE. 50 bucks a year. "but, but, buts its just 4.20 a month" No, its 300 bucks for 6 years. 400 bucks for 8 years. 500 bucks for 10 years. XBOX 360 is claimed to have a 10 year life cycle + 1 day. Free on PC and PS3 and even the wii. 98% of its games are multi platform. The processor and graphics card cant match PS3s combination. It lacks harddrive, something that is needed for most games. It doesnt have true 1080P as it upscales the resolution. And it doesnt have true HDMI as it utilizes an older version. And the lack of a next gen format. Conclusion. Even the gamecube is a better device than the 360. If you got money to burn, youre better off buying a real heater.
This arti le reminds me of my pricewars blog here on n4g... Except mine was better... I hate low grade sites.
@ above, E74 is covered under 3 year warranty.
"Its only free if you fall under the 3 year. A lot of early adapters are already outside the 3 year or will be soon. And XBOX has more hidden costs like ERROR 74, disc scratching, low battery life etc that dont fall under the 3 year warranty." A three year warranty for RROD is a good thing. Sony's warranty is only for 1 year. If you need anything after one year you are SOL unless you fork over some cash. One year on anything else that breaks on the 360 is not as bad as fanboys make it seem. Sure the fail rate is rather high (or was) but it is nowhere near the ridiculous state that a lot of fanboys make it out to be. My launch console failed on me one time, and it was my fault most likely for having the damned thing inside an entertainment center. "And then there is XBOX LIVE. 50 bucks a year. "but, but, buts its just 4.20 a month" No, its 300 bucks for 6 years. 400 bucks for 8 years. 500 bucks for 10 years. XBOX 360 is claimed to have a 10 year life cycle + 1 day. Free on PC and PS3 and even the wii." Weak argument. I would rather pay for Live than have to wait for 3 plus years to get all of the features Live has had from the beginning on the PS3. Seriously, you brought the Wii into this? Friend codes ring a bell? Voice chat? I mean c'mon straw man. "98% of its games are multi platform. The processor and graphics card cant match PS3s combination. It lacks harddrive, something that is needed for most games. It doesnt have true 1080P as it upscales the resolution. And it doesnt have true HDMI as it utilizes an older version. And the lack of a next gen format." I don't think it is quite 98%, more like 85-90%. It is roughly the same ratio of multi platform as PS3. A hard drive is NOT needed for any game yet, unless you are talking about arcade games. I'll give you the upscale and the HDMI argument. If Blu Ray is teh future, why hasn't the PC adopted it yet, considering that it blows away both PS3 and XBOX 360 in terms of graphics and features? Shouldn't a PC be using Blu Ray? Oh wait, it still uses DVD9 and gets the job done. "Conclusion. Even the gamecube is a better device than the 360. If you got money to burn, youre better off buying a real heater." Gamecube < 360, that is complete fanboy rant failure right there. Also, the PS3 gets just as hot as the 360, if not hotter. Usually I don't call people out like that, but that comment was full of FAIL!
I could pull a better price comparison out my... Anyways, why is this age old price debate being brought back up? Everyone here knows the PS3 is "cheaper" but it isn't always about price so why should we read articles from such low quality sites with such low quality effort put in to their subjects? Screw "Live cost blah blah blah" lets bring up things that HAVE to be bought like batteries for the controllers or a recharge unit+recharge batteries. The minuscule memory of the arcade models that HAS to be upgraded What about the games that come bundle? Kung fu Panda, REALLY? Lego Indianan Jones? Sonic Super Stars Tennis? Crappy games mean you HAVE to buy a good game right away, PS3 has had great game bundles and continues to. Resistance, MotorStorm, LBP, Metal Gear Solid, Uncharted, Gran Turismo Prologue. All are good for holding you over till your wallet can take a hit from an additional game purchase After that stuff is mentioned THEN you compare the frills that real gamers want. The Online support/functions/cost/social aspect The Wifi The HDD upgrades the additional controllers Blu-ray/Hd-Dvd players The 5.1-7.1 Surround sound The face-plates/appearance The warranties The failure rate and types of failures The blu-tooth The Six-axis The cameras and games/uses The multi-media capabilities The up-coming motion controls THE EXCLUSIVE GAMES Gamers know what they want and don't need articles like this to tell them.
Uncharted 1, 2 Warhawk Starhawk Flower Singstar Ratchet Motorstorm 1, 2 Resistance 1, 2 The last guardian Heavy Rain MGS4 FF VS 13 Killzone 2 WipeOut HD WipeOut Fury Fat princess Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Gran Turismo 5 Little Big Planet Infamous EyePet Yakuza 3 WKC Demons Souls Eye Of Judgement Heavenly Sword Do I really need to go on? Everything I listed here, ARE TRUE EXCLUSIVESS, kid. Meaning you cannot find these games on ANY OTHER platform other than PS3. Roughly the same percentage? Smoking crack again, fanboy? You got Halo. Thats it. Everything else can be found on either PS3, PC or Wii. Games like mass effect and L4D arent EXCLUSIVESS, kid. I can play those games WITHOUT OWNING a 360. And I WILL PLAY those games and I WILL NEVER buy a 360. Do you get the point, kid. ROFL same percentage? Not even close, kid.
Personally, I had to pay $170 twice to fix my 360...but that was eventually, and after a long fight, refunded back to me when Microsoft extended the warranty. I wonder how many other's Microsoft tried to screw over like me who just weren't paying attention. It was reported when Microsoft extended the warranty that refund checks would automatically go out. Not only did that not happen with me, but I eventually had to fax MS my Visa statements because MS said they had no record of either of my repairs. I wonder how many people simply didn't know Microsoft was offering rebates and MS just kept their money like they tried with me? Edit Below: But he's acting like a repair is a certainty for the Xbox. It's not.
When the warrenty is up.
PS3 is selling pathetic considering that it's cheaper than the 360 ;)
Actually, the PS3 in it's 2 1/2 years has moved just shy of 23 million consoles. The 360 at this point was only at 19 million. Obviously consumers have caught on to the PS3's value because they're adopting it much faster then they ever bought into the 360.
After playing Fable 2 (which spins faster than any game and at a constant rate), my DVD drive broke. It was fixed for free. I'm guessing it was a 1 year limit, but it could be 3 years.
It was just RROD/E74 that was covered under the 3 years. I know because I had a run in with a disk gouging unit that Microsoft sent me as a replacement. They refused to fix it even though they had just sent it to me two weeks prior because drive problems weren't covered by the 3 year. Thankfully, I had bought an extended warranty after my 2nd 360 went on me so that covered it. I don't know about now, but a couple of years ago a 2 year extended warranty cost an extra $75 from Microsoft.
You know that MS extends the warranty each time you get a replacement system. I have had the 360 since day one and even though I am on my 5th system I have never paid a dime! These figures are bull shet by the way. Haha Wireless adapter? RROD fees? Network fees? You know you can get it cheaper right? Playstation's die as well! You will have to pay as well and their warranty isn't half as good as the 360's! Nice figures fanboy! Better luck next time!
because they break more and microsoft got sued 5 billion times lol thats the only reason they got that warranty my ps3 has never broken original 60g
@gamertags... wow... 5th system AND you seem pretty happy about it....
The warranty is not reset when they send you a replacement system. As I mentioned earlier, in my case they wanted me to pay $170 (cdn) to repair a disk gouging unit they had sent me just two weeks prior because it wasn't covered under my original warranty. I wouldn't go so far as to call you a liar, because maybe the warranty is different in your country, but I know this isn't true in Canada. Edit below: And you're in the majority. Most 360 owners will never have a problem and that's why it has so many supporters. It's a great system, and if most people don't have an issue, what's the problem? That's what some PS3 fans don't understand. They wonder why you would support a faulty system...well most 360 owners don't have a faulty system. Now, if you're one of the unlucky owners like me that have had nothing but problems with their 360...that certainly changes your gaming habits and your opinions, but we are in the minority.
The RROD just doesn't occur as much anymore and MS did give 3-year warranty on it. If anything else breaks, you are in the same sh!thole as you were on the PS3. Heck, what I read around forums is people intentionally inducing RROD when something else breaks to get another machine out of warranty. The price differential is just different business models. Every company has to make money somehow and I do agree that some of the accessory cost on the Xbox is outrageous, but there is a price to get a machine cheap up front. It's like Jack Tretton once commented on the low PS2 price and how consumers sensitive to the $30 price drop are probably not going to buy many games. If you bought the 360s Arcade model based on price, one has wonder how many games that person will buy. @darkride: Yeah, when I initially bought a 360 I was so concerned about the RROD (and more importantly the Disc Read Errors) due to all the horror stories and bought an extended warranty at Target for 3-years. Cost me $35. I consider it a waste of money since I probably will never need it. My 360 is rock solid so far and with the install option I don't think my disc drive will ever give me an issue.
I bought the Xbox360 second batch after it came out. I got RROD - I used my warranty from Circuit City; got my money back and Upgraded to the Elite haven't had RROD since. I have 4 other friends who got RROD one did the Xbox warranty kept breaking but go it fixed the others had Best Buy and warranties like that all upgrade and no problems since. RROD - yes it did happen get over it... its fixed for the first part now, and you should be buying the extended warranty on any electronic device you buy. (Biggest upset about RROD was it happen to me day after Thanksgiving and I was in the middle of Assassin's creed.) Next argument wireless, not everyone requires wireless bad argument. I personally like it wired its faster, and if your trying to stream HD video 802.11g just isn't fast enough. You would have to get an upgraded adapter for the PS3. So basically you paid for 2 wireless cards. Like I said silly point because its all based on the persons needs and standards. BLU-RAY - Another point that is silly and based on someones needs and standards. I did not buy a game console to watch movies. I am happy with DD and upscale DVD. Yes I've seen the quality of BLU RAY its great just I'm not as picky about the quality. AS long as the movie has better quality than VHS I'm good. Another point that basically goes back to the person and the standards. As a programmer one thing we are taught is 80% of features are never used by the majority of people using the product (perfect example Microsoft Office). Again best value is going to be different for everyone. PS3 no games - ridiculous; Argument over who has the best killer titles, that's all a matter of opinion and will change from person to person. One thing that can be said is LIBRARY SIZE, this generation PS3 has the smallest library but its not lacking in quality. This matters when certain genre of games come into question and a gamer is trying to pick a console based on where the most games of the genre they might play are. PS3 has about 37 FPS, while 360 has 50 FPS (Not counting multi-platform titles). While PS3 still have more coming and KZ2 is hard to ignore but the fact 360 have more FPS. There are a lot of things that go into buying a console and my point is it's different for everyone. Articles like this are just flame bate and are from poor journalistic standards. PS3 and 360 both have a lot going for them; features, games and price will appeal to each gamer for different reasons.
actually it is only free to get the rrod w/ the purchase, fixing it will cost you a warranty or more.
The heat issues were resolved almost 2 years ago. They simply Are. Not. An. Issue. But, beyond that, I find it truely silly the PS3 owner arguing "HEY! xbox 360 costs as much!1!" Ok. Assume that is "True" (it's ridiculous, but nevermind). Imagine for a second that this idea was "True". BOTTOM LINE: SO. WHAT? So, it's "True" -- but NO ONE IS BUYING the PS3 *anyway*. WHAT IS THE POINT? No one cares about which console costs "more", they simply are buying the Xbox 360 -- and Xbox 360 titles -- in vastly greater numbers. Inspite of whatever argument is to be made about the "cost".
Lame, worthless, absolute garbage article. How is this even a legitimate comparison? All this article is, is just a fanboys made up excuse to cause a flame war. According to this guys logic, the $4 burger at McDonalds is going to cost me more than the $7 organic sub sandwich, because if I eat the burger Im going to have to pay for toilet paper for when I crap it out, cholesterol medication for when my arteries clog, and new clothes for when I get fatter. This is GARBAGE! Remove it.
cherrypie said "No one cares about which console costs "more", they simply are buying the Xbox 360 in vastly greater numbers." Is that so? Funny, because the last I checked the PS3 is selling millions more than the 360 did, idicating that consumers are buying vastly greater numbers of PS3's. Based on Microsoft and Sony's official numbers the PS3 is just shy of 23 million consoles currently. At the 2 1/2 year mark the 360 had only sold 19 million. The facts don't really support your claim. Consumers have decided. Oh, wait. I know what you were doing. You were just focusing on PS3 sales from the last couple of months and thinking that somehow told the entire story. If you truly are that short sighted, you must have been wringing your hands with worry when the 360 was behind the PS3 by over a million consoles six months into last year.
lol 139$ to fix the 360? This is more homemade then HipHopGamer.com.
when the NPD numbers comes out i see this comments "with half price of ps3 still cant sell much" and those craps. but when you compare cost" ps3 cost less than 360" so which statment is true ?!
a ps3 is less expensive than a fully featured 360. A LOT of ppl want the bare minimum, which you can get with the 360 and not with the PS3.
That's VERY true, I know a couple of people who NEVER go on live, have arcade models and are fine with simply buying HD games to play at home solo or with friends or family. You don't need a HDD You don't need Wifi You don't need to play online. It's literally built for and marketed to the "casual gamers" Of course you won't find many arcade console owners in your 360 friends lists because of just that, they're casual and don't play online.
I'm a hardcore rpg guy and I never use live or psn except to download dlc which you only need a silver account to do.
And the winner is you :) I think n4g forgets that not all Gamers are like them. there's plenty folk happy on silver and without the marketplace. They'd never buy a ps3 for their means at it's current pricepoint.
Of course you don't need any of those things, nor do you have to pay for XBL if you don't want to..but I think the point of the article was to compare the consoles if you want a similar experience and to do so means paying for XBL, adding wi-fi and a hard drive to your 360, etc. Everyone knows the PS3 has more features built into the unit then the 360 does, but not everyone needs those features. I personally think the 360 is a great alternative for those that are just looking for a game machine and that's it and aren't interested in all the bells and whistles that come with a PS3. Still, he loses me when he throws in the repair costs. The majority of 360 owners don't have a problem. This shouldn't be included.
People seem to forget that the roles were reversed last generation. Xbox included built-in memory (8gb) while PS2 owners had to buy a $50 memory card just to save games. Xbox had built in broadband, while PS2 owners had to buy a $40 adaptor. It didn't hurt the PS2's sales or reputation, just as the 360 is not suffering now.
lol, i thought the only people who bought the 360 were poor people who couldnt afford a super computer of a machine? now, you are telling me that the ps3 is actually cheaper because it has things that no one asked for??? it's not my fault sony is not charging for their network...truthfully, is it even legal for them to charge for the psn if they wanted to? probably not, psn is what live was last gen...
Last I checked, I mentioned that after three years, it’s going to cost you $139 to get an Xbox 360 fixed.
Yeah lets pay 139$ to fix our broken console instead of buying a brand new one with a fresh 3 year warranty for 199.99
Curious, how much is ylod after 1 year? Oh wait......chances are none. Wow, fanboy much.
even after 3 year they still fix it for free!!!!
I don't think they do Jack.. if you can provide some proof that would be great.
I bought a 360 on launch day and my warranty (according to xbox.com) ends on 14/10/2009. Thats almost 4 years.
mikegotgame, I have a friend who's PS3 broke after just over 1 year and he had to pay over £100 to get it fixed by Sony. Why not add that to your comparison? Oh, because "chances are it wont happen"? Since when did a legitimate comparison ever use "chance" to dictate anything? Just what exactly is the % chance that something must happen before it factors into things? 10%? 20%? 30%? It's people like you that are giving this industry a bad name. Your entire article is nonsense, your entire argument is full of holes and your web site looks like something an 8 year old shat out using frontpage 97.
I had to pay 160€ to fix my PS3 + 18€ for shipping and it still took Sony more than a month to Ship it(maybe because it's a 60gig, I don't know and don't really care)!
Actually they do in some cases. Mine broke down on me with standard overheating (2 red lights) so no 3 year-term. My 360 is 2.5 years old, but it's gonna be fixed for free. So repair-cost in this comparison showes he doesn't have experience with Xbox Support, he didn't even said that the repair cost of Ylod afer one year is more than that of the 360 after 3 years xD
So in other words, you bought two XBOXses. The first one you paid 399 for it. And the second time, you paid 199 for it. And then you try to claim that youre the one who is better and cheaper off? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the "fanboy logic" ROFLMAO!
My ps3 just ylod'd on me. Cost for shipping and everything. 150$ + tax
"Yeah lets pay 139$ to fix our broken console instead of buying a brand new one with a fresh 3 year warranty for 199.99" So in other words, you bought two XBOXses. The first one you paid 399 for it. And the second time, you paid 199 for it. And then you try to claim that youre the one who is better and cheaper off? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the "fanboy logic" ROFLMAO! MDs Logic is sound but also: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the INFLATED install base of the Xbox 360! I really wonder how many of those 30mil are still working and played on? The 360s attach rate has not faltered, it's high as ever but just like that stupid tootie pop commercial "The world may never know" I'd buy a new 360 too, id already have the HDD from my broken one (in this scenario) so why not buy a new one for $200 over spending almost just as much on repairs?
I agree with JOLLY. My PS3 broke down because of the YLOD, and it costs me $150 to fix it. Let's not forget the PS3 puts a hurting on your electricity bill.
At homicide Actually, the Xbox360 takes up more power than the ps3, and the wii takes as much as a lightbulb, cause that's all it's good for /hides in a bunker... again
So that's an additional $199. Wow, the costs for having an Xbox 360 are really piling up.
only if your 360 breaks out of the warranty. My refurb is 16 months old and still running strong and there has been 2 360 revisions that I have yet to own which pretty much eliminate RROD for the most part. It's a thing of the past for people buying the new models from mid 08 and onward. Nothing is piling up this article is terrible. Edit: I love when people add the 100$ wireless adapter that > 1% of 360 owners use. Edit 2: I also like how your 40GB and 80GB bundles are the same price. And how you don't bother listing a repair price for PS3 when there obviously is a steep repair price.
I notice mikey doesn't like to answer questions. Here is another question. How much does it cost a guy that only plays Madden. 360-$199 ps3-$399....see what I did there
Fanny pack, go blow some bubbles. If you buy a 360 for lets say $200(cheapest price) then it blows out on you and it is not covered by warrenty any longer, and you pay another $200, thats $400. And thats just the arcade version. @poster above JOLLY Also, MS has NEVER Admitted to getting rid of the RROD, Your just swaggering, The RROD is the ONLY Thing that kept me from buying a 360.
Are you trying to say a 360 warranty is an additional 200$? It's like 20-30$ for a two year warranty.
And if your Ps3 break's, you have to pay $160, stop being a (********) Fact is you can buy a 360 that plays games for $200
ps3 repair: continuious play insurance 5£ amonth so 60 a year 300 for ps3 60 for insurence 360£ total xbox 166£ 40 for live 206£ xbox is cheap if you dont take it to equal functionality
Because 1% default rate is a normal default rate for electronical devices. A 35% default rate is NOT normal but IS RETARDED. People making fun of the RROD is JUSTIFIED. Counterclaims on YLOD are RETARDED. Get that in your head. "ps3 repair: continuious play insurance 5£ amonth so 60 a year 300 for ps3 60 for insurence 360£ total" Any retarded price comparison that shows that the PS3 is worst is RETARDED and nothing more than fanboy logic at work again. Because at the end of the day, no matter what retarded calculation you make up, its the 360s owners WALLET that is lighter. So you can make up all kinds of calculation and try to convince us how you are the one better off, but in reality, youre the one who became poorer. XBOX HD DRIVE 60 GB = 120 bucks XBOX ARCADE = 199 bucks WIFI = 100 bucks HD DVD = 199 bucks (and guess what, they dont even make movies on these anymore haha) Single game = 55 bucks LIVE = 500 bucks for 8 years RROD = 130 bucks
I'm sorry but i had 2 ps3s and both got that bloody orange light less then a week out of the box. its rather stupid actually. and before anyone says i don't own a ps3. http://i56.photobucket.com/... i still don't see why so many fanboys attack the 360, yet the ps2 was never attacked yet it had what going on 15 versions, and up to v13 it still had the disk read errors. i owned about 7 ps2's yet i never once complained. i just saw it as a chance to get a new system that looked good without all the scrathes and dust. and to the above post. since the 360 cost SOOOO much more then the ps3 why hasn't the ps3 caught up to the 360 yet. i mean really, if you want to go off extra stuff, the wii is the most expensive system out there. but hey if your logic says that the ps3 is cheapest system yet still loosing in the Real world, then it must also be right next to the dreamcast in your mind as well. Xbox 360 real price. 199 arcade 50 used 20GB there ya go, 250. why, because you "don't" need XBL to play games, you don't need a HDDVD player, you don't need wifi, and with a 3 year warranty you don't have to spend anymore money, because theres no 100% that you will have any issues. like mine its a first gen arcade system and still works great. so like i said, 250 for a 360. or 400 for a ps3 with a bunch of stuff you will never use.
I see I am not the only one who had MAJOR problems with the PS2. It is nice to see that there is someone who talks sense on here. +Bubble.
Does that pic really mean something? This took me two minutes in MS Paint Even better, i'll post both so you can do a quick side-by-side
You have lost all credibility with that ridiculous story and horrible photo shop. 2 PS3's getting YLOD and both in less then a week out of the box. Give us all a break with that nonsense.
Like I said before, RROD is 35% or more. YLOD is less than 1%. Comparing the two is like comparing a billionaire with a homeless streetbum and claimin that the streetbum is richer and wealthier. And then when I ask you how you claim that money isnt happiness. You only make a point except that the homeless streetbum is about to kill himself cos he has no family, no life, no home, no money and is miserable in life. You utter fail. Like I said before, complaining and MOCKING RROD is LEGIT. Serves you mofos right for screwing yourselves over and over again by buying rotten fruit. Correction: by KNOWINGLY buying ROTTEN fruit. Mocking YLOD is retarded because its 1%. RRDO > 35% YLOD < 1% Mocking YLOD, especially when youre a 360 owner, is retarded. You are in no position to mock shiat. And YLOD cant even be mocked because it falls within the industry standard. Youre looking for straws and anyone with an IQ higher than 40 (that excludes all 360 fanboys) can see right through that.
at Murderdolls got a rrod 360? go to xbox.com click on support click on Repair Your Console sign in enter your SN if its over 3 years it will tell you its a charge of (99$) and than give you and option of what kinda problem your 360 had pick rrod... and the price goes from 99$ too (0)
If you're right that's fu**ing awesome.