Patcher talks about third party publishers making huge hits on WiiHD, aswell as capturing the core market.
Oh Patcher, they still will. Exclusives may be hard to come by nowadays but they still exist and are a big part of owning multiple systems.
Patcher is so dumb.
I don't see Gran Turismo or Halo on the Wii. Looks like people will have a reason to buy a PS3/360.
ill still buy all 3 of them just to have them i already do all i need now is my wiiHD all it means to me is that ill be buying more 3rd party games on my wii if the price of the games remains at 50 that is
Yes, there's the exclusives for Sony/MS and brand loyalty, controller preference and , in PS3's case a big one in Blu -Ray if WiiHD doesn't leave DVD. Pachter, and most analysts, didn't see the Wii coming did they? They continie being wrong about PS3 price cuts and, generally, have got little right at all this gen as far as I can see.
Seriously now, can this guy say anything more dumb than this? He simply has proven to me that he knows nothing about gaming and that consoles are not games but the medium that brings us games and if there are exclusives on other consoles, they are the very reasons why we will buy other consoles. Please, somebody, tell this guy to STFU before he explodes from his massive amounts of stupidity.
Must be on Nintendo's pay roll, m i rite?
this guy is a sh!thead.he just guesses without seeing future products and services from microsoft or sony. if any consumer goes out and buys a wii hd after already buying a normal wii,you have been suckered........AGAIN....... if you are a new customer and go out and buy a future wii hd expecting things like bluray,native 1080p or any exclusive ps3 features,you will be disappointed. it's funny that he says: **they have to bring the "next" generation Wii up to the Xbox 360 tech standard.** guess they still can't achieve "the ps3 standard." apocalypse................
Let's all pause and take a moment to reflect on the beauty of how one retarded comment has brought 360 and PS3 fanboys together against a common enemy/[email protected] Group hug yall!
I support PS3 and everything but no Wii will be on the level of Xbox 360 or PS3 the number one reason is Games. PS3/360 exclusives are enough to render this statement as ridiculous let alone PSN/XBL. the quality and quantity of titles on those two systems are too much. Halo GTA Uncharted GOW Gears Killzone Alan Wake Real COD The Last Guardian Are just a few games we would never see possible on a nintendo system no time in the near future. period Michael Patcher please find a new job you dont know SHYT about the game industry. Edit: I agree bubbles mistajeff
Please do enlighten us, mr Pachter, but why exactly are people going out to buy a Wii HD? First of all, many current Wii owners will feel pretty pissed and betrayed if a new Nintendo console comes out "tomorrow". You know, companies can release a new console everyday if their resources allow them but that doesnt mean that people are going to run out and buy all these new consoles. Consoles actually have lifespans of many many years. And even if some 13 year old fanboy is going to comment on my post and claim "but, but, but you are wrong El Botto, because I would buy it", nothing will change the fact that consoles are meant to be used for many many years. People have limited funds to purchase things in real life. And if you used some of those funds to purchase a wii, youre not going to use some more to buy the Wii HD when it comes out a year later (unless you are a die hard Nintendo fanboy core with too much money or a stupid fool who wastes his life savings on Wii HD that will be OBSOLETE again in another year or two). Bottom line: people have limited funds and need to chose what they buy. Nintendo doesnt even know how well the Wii motion plus add on is going to sell! Hell, they are waiting for wii motion plus sales to see if they want it in the new Zelda or not. That tells you that even they have doubts how well they can convince their base to purchase another add on. If they have doubts about an ADD ON, what do you think their chances are for something thats 7 times more EXPENSIVE? A new console? Which brings me to my second point. The price of the new Wii HD. With the new Wii console updated to compete against PS3 and 360, its gotta have powerful new components. This raises the pricepoint to what exactly? 300? 350? 400? And Pachter thinks people have no issues spending another 350 on a wii when they already spend 250 on the original Wii, another 40-50 bucks on the Wii motion plus? Good fking luck! Haha Third; claiming that people have no reason to buy a PS3 or a 360 is false. I mean 360? Perhaps. I can see why people would not want to purchase a 360 over a Wii HD. Simply because 360 does not have any differentiating factor over the Wii HD. Plus, Nintendo has a better brand image, better (and more) first party line up and has a proven, albeit rather simplistic, motion controller. In short, a Wii HD has many many advantages over MSs 360. But against the PS3, this is simply not true. Sony's Playstation brand is the strongest in the videogame industry. Sony has a first and second party line up that is rivalled by no one. They are industry leaders. Furthermore, Sony has genuine advantages that differentiates themselves from the Wii, namely Blu Ray, the standard HD format. Lets be honest here, they own Blu Ray no matter what these 13 year olds claim. Hows Nintendo going to get a new format in their console? Cos they sure as hell aint getting Blu Ray! Is there another format out there thats next gen but also cheap enough to be incorporated into the console? Last time, I checked there was only one format that met those demands and that format died last year when Toshiba pulled the PLUG out of HD DVD!!! The bottom line is this. 360 does not differ from Wii HD but PS3 does differ. And PS3 has genuine advantages over both Wii HD and 360. Fourth, both MS and Sony are coming out with their version of the motion sensing thingy, with Sony's "wand" having the highest possibility to compete with the Wii. With that being said, Wii HD will have lost a genuine advantage they had over the PS3 and the 360 "soon". But the wii cannot TOUCH PS3s online and MSs XBOX Live. The reality is that Nintendo is lightyears BEHIND in the online department. This is not something they can remedy within a year. They cannot simply say "ok, lets do wii HD and bring our online on par with our competitors". If it was that easy, competition wouldnt be possible! Reality is that it will likely take Nintendo a few years before they can come up with a form of online component that is at the level of the media bar or XBOX Live. To come to the wii's defense, the wii base or wii audience dont really care about online since they are the casual folk. The point thats being made here however, is that PS3 and 360 has a genuine advantage over the wii HD in the online area. Finally, there is also the 3rd party support and line up. Right now, 90% of all the studios develop for the Playstation and the XBOX 360. With new hardware components, come new risks. Developers will have to upgrade their systems to match the Wii HDs hardware and depending on the specs, developers will have to learn how to develop for the Wii all over again. This is not something that is taken lightly. New investments, mean new costs for developers. They need to have a reason to develop for the Wii HD. Because its not even sure whether the current Wii base can be considered as the starting base for the Wii HD. I mean, what do we know? Is there backwards compatibility? Is the same casual audience going to follow Wii into HD era when they dont care about HD? In short, I think its fair to assume that many developers will NOT consider the current install base as the base for the Wii HD. Therefore, risks are high for developers which will hurt third party support for Nintendo. All things taken into consideration, its clear why Pachters analysis is yet another failure. He clearly did not do his homework before running his mouth again. I fail to see how Wii HD will "make the PS3" obsolete. That "Wii HD might make the 360 obsolete", is a real possibility however. El Botto knows what he is talking about. Bubble me up.
The fact is, there's a huge contingent of gamers out there that simply won't play with the Wii-mote. It's as simple as that. Playing a game where I need to the waggle the controller to do what a button press would isn't immersive...it's annoying. Many gamers feel the same way. They can rebrand the Wii all they want but the controller is a deal breaker for many, and it just so happens this is the contingent that's buying video games. Plenty of people have picked up the Wii, but are they doing much gaming on it? Nielsen data and attach rates say no. And on top of that, people expect their games consoles to do more than just game. My PS3 is the center of my home theater - with Blu-Ray, Divx playback, media streaming, DVD-upscaling, video rental, social networking, video conferencing as well as kick ass gaming. The Wii simply can't fill those shoes. Pachter's usually got a point, even if his predictions don't always come to pass, but he's out to lunch on this one.
man, i am ashamed by this guy, as a nintendo supporter, i am ashamed that this guy have so obilivious thoughts... he must be on crack...
after all he is a highly educated man. I think he's just ignorant (cue the MJ soundbite from that one South Park episode) about gamers and what gamers want.
Wii sports in HD will destroy all other consoles... ALL I tell ya! And don't even get me started on Wii music. /s
lol... this Patcher guy is quite the jokester.
You could just as easily say "people wont have any reason to buy a Wii once Natal/PS3 Motion Control arrive" How dumb is this guy!
why would they? the 720, and the ps4 will be out by then
This is the question he needs to answer first. And it definitely isn't the soccer moms who'll buy Wii HD.
Syronicus what are you talking about man? "He simply has proven to me that he knows nothing about gaming and that [consoles are not games] but the medium that brings us games and if there are exclusives on other consoles, they are the very reasons why we will buy other consoles." What the hell is that man? Console are not games? Do you need a reboot or some thing? Yes we do buy other console for exclusive if we really want that game, you know we do buy consoles to play games you know. Any way Patcher is shooting in the dark but nintendo does have some options if they will use them is I guess up to them. I'm not sure if he understand what is coming though since he doesn't really make games.
reason would consumers have to upgrade their wii? They are not traditional gamers that need the latest in tech. What would make a current Wii owner upgrade?
It sounded like sarcasm. "360 and PS3? Who needs those when you could get the WII HD!" xD xD xD
I can see where he is coming from, but this won't happen. Both the PS3 and 360 have games and features that will keep gamers interested. Personally I believe that Natal will fail with hardcore gamers (you can't play hardcore games with Natal) and the Motion Wand for the PS3 will be released too late.
"GTA" "Are just a few games we would never see possible on a nintendo system no time in the near future. period " Wasnt there a GTA game on the DS.....>>? And the DS is a "nintendo" system, correct?
What a dumb thing to say. It just amazing... I wonder if he's dumb enough to actually think that or if he's just reaching for hits. It's not as if the Ps3 and 360's only advantage over the Wii is the resolution.
I didn't want to accept it, but I guess there is no other option... Patcher is stupid!
I can think of a lot of reasons: Halo - M$ owns the rights Gears - No way in hell that will ever leave 360/PC Sony first party developers - "First party" says it all. Games like KZ2, LBP and Uncharted are the reason I love my PS3.
Oh Pachter, the source of so much laughter, and so many facepalms. What would we do without you?
And they are called GAMES!
Yet another BS article about how one of the Big 3 is going to trump the other 2 in the next generation. <yawn>
I can hardly wait to stop caring about Uncharted, Alan Wake, Team Ico's games, Deus Ex 3, Mafia 2, Red Dead Redemption, Fallout, Alpha Protocol, etc, so that I can play Zelda and Super Mario instead in glorious HD! /sarcasm Oh Patcher...
Oh man, I forgot about Deus Ex 3.. you know, it feels like each year I think to myself, how could next year POSSIBLY be better than this year? Yet each year it shapes up that way.. 2010 already looks epic.. think about the stuff that's going to come out that we don't even know about. I wonder if it'll top this year? Assuming the massive array of incredible-looking titles don't flop this fall/holiday. Oh, and none of the titles I'm looking forward to are coming out for the Wii. I'm sure all of these developers are just clamoring to port over all their pre-WiiHD multiplats......
Patcher needs to get his brain patched.
so what? this guys just wakes up every morning and guesses the future?... and he gets paid for this??? where do i sign up?
Seriously, I love my Job but If I could do what do part-time, get paid very well and look like an idiot at the same time, I would be set for life.
You mean I've been saying stupid sh!t for free all these years? Time to start charging for my services!
Hopefully Gametrailers will hire us since they love to pay this fool to be on the internet!
Even if Nintendo added HD support to the Wii, graphics are going to look the same. Maybe a little less blurry but the increment of resolution will bring a lot of jaggies too. If Nintendo wants to bring HD then what we need is a completely new console, not same Wii specs with HD, that wouldn't change a thing. If only the Wii had full shader support like the first Xbox things would have been very different. It is like comparing the Genesis to the Super Nes. The Sega Genesis had more processing power but the Snes had better effects and that made most of the games look better. Now we have the Xbox vs Wii were the Wii has more processing power but the Xbox had better effects and most Xbox games look better. A shame for a 250 dollars console. ----------------------------- ------------------------------ - --------- edit: I know my comment is kinda off-topic because that's not the point the article tries to explain but I just looked around the Gamer Zone and people are really stupid even though all of them have a lot of bubbles. Anyway, this article is not about how you will abandon your favorites core games of the PS3/X360 to go all out Wii... The point Patcher makes here is that the Wii will not lose the casual market to the other consoles just because they will provide new ways of gameplay(think Natal, Sony Motion Controller) with HD graphics because soon the Wii will have HD too.
Patcher is the anti prophet. He is ALWAYS wrong. seriously, go check out his predictions. He cant even GUESS one right....fool shouldn't even get paid to do this he's so bad at it...seriously, my cat has a better understanding of this stuff (just from exposure)
Pachter, please shut up.
LOL yea because we all love Wiis online and extra features. Oh and everyone is crazy about motion controls. Screw it. I am getting rid of my PS3 right now. No reason to own it anymore. Cant wait for Wii HD!!!
finally man youve seen the light! these other guys are just jealous that pachter cant be wrong. after all hes claimed: 360 natal to destroy wii and ps3 motion sensing -wii owners wont need 360 or ps3 when wiihd arrives -ps3 will eventually outsell competition -360 will finish in first place this generation he cant be wrong! i just sold my 360 and all of its games waiting for this! woohoo go pachter you brilian handsome man.
Personally I don't think Natal will ever resonate with hardcore gamers. Imagine using Natal to play the game in the video. This is why it won't resonate with the hardcore anytime soon, unless they add a physical controller with it. As a hardcore gamer, would you want to play Gears or with Milo??
MY GOD THIS GUY'S A DOUSCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gamers "WE WONT HAVE A REASON TO BUY Wii HD SINCE WE ALLREADY HAVE PS3 AND 360" gamers: "FVCK YOU PATCHER!"
Come on man you not that serious right?
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little
that guy is making contradicting statements. -360 natal to destroy wii and ps3 motion sensing -wii owners wont need 360 or ps3 when wiihd arrives -ps3 will eventually outsell competition -360 will finish in first place this generation With the statements he made it doesnt matter anymore what happens, he will always be able to claim he was right. What an ass.
He making sure with all his predictions he gonna be right at one of them lol.
I bet there are a few journalists out there scratching their heads given the recent claims Patcher has made. I wonder what his next bold prediction will be.
yah, in my opinion i dont think thats how its going down. most of the wii buyers bought a wii were casual gamers. not trying to be a fanoy but when the casual market chooses a next console itll be between the wii hd (which they probably wont want the same) or natal as its a new experience on a cheaper console (than ps3 with motion). but this is just my opinion. PS: i didnt mention ps3 motion controllers because i dont see it making a huge dent in the casual market at its current price. of course that could all change.
God this guy is a douchebag.
"Huge hits"...on a console that doesn't yet exist? Riiiiiiiight. No one can predict the future, and this gen shows it. The market leader and market loser switched places from last gen. No one stays on top forever.
Or maybe the consumers won't have a reason to buy a Wii (HD) when the Motion Controllers come out....
Wii owners wont be upgrading to WiiHD once Natal hits anyway, since the 360 will be cheaper
although it is smart by ms it depends on the games that come with natal. i'm not convinced it's all about controllers, but more what games ppl wanna play. just look at the sort of games that sell on the wii.
This guy is apiece of crap that does not no anything about gaming or the frickin industry, All he does is come up with some bulls--t to please his peers or boss or whoever gave this guy his position . What a joke Don't you know we the gamers determine who wins and loses and which console to buy . we are the judge not this idiot.
ok now he's taking this too far...
Who is this Pacher guy? Sounds like idiot... Is having big mouth what it takes to be an analyst these days? Pathetic ;-) Draw stupid conclusions + make lot of noise = congrats, you're an analyst! (same with stock markets! there are so many idiot analysts posting ridiculous comments that reading some websites becomes a chore; I just look at the graphs these days...)
You know what, I think this guy makes comments just to get people wild up. Patcher you tickle me. He def filling the void of Ken Kutaragi or crazy Ken lol. I swear the media sway the opinion of people to buy one console or another off false facts. Can you believe they said Transformers 2 was a bomb lol.
I said it before and I'll say it again. The Wii is just a gimmick, a fad. None of my friends who are hardcore gamers play it anymore with the exceptions of parties or get together. Some of my friends already sold it. Some just dust it off once in a while a good game comes out. The girls who bought it because it was cute already forgot about it and some already sold it. The Wii is a joke in my eyes and I got one for free and I felt it's a waste. My little brothers don't even play it. I would sell it but it was a gift so I'm thankful for that :). PS3/360 Live On. \m/
nintendo is the devirginator to kids! its cool. has its market! will always be rememberd! but for us grown ups! we have SONY!! yes whatever xbox this xbox that! end of the day we in a recession! i game online 4 free! killzone 2 and motorstorm pacific rift!
Wait, am I missing something? How will Wii HD be THIS good? Sorry Pachter, but a lot of the series that we're all interested in are exclusive to Sony or Microsoft. I just really have no interest in playing Mario in a hardcore fashion no matter how many pixels he has.
One of his many predictions has got to stick since they all contradict his previous one. As soon as XBL sets up it's new NXE look with Hulu, Twitter, Facebook, and retail game store His prediction will change. Then Sony comes back w/ a price drop and a slim console that starts to sell he will change his prediction. This guy is a first class idiot and deserves no air time. He spouts garbage like a 12 year old kid spreading rumors in the neighborhood. Running around screaming "Ow Ow Ow, guess what...." Honestly, I can never own a Wii. I don't find it fun or amusing. I find it to be novelty and it clearly caters to children and people that have no hand/eye coordination when dealing with 9 buttons on a controller. I have been gaming since '81 and the Wii is the first system I refuse to own(next to VirtuaBoy) because it doesn't accentuate who I am. That is not gaming to me, I look at it as a party machine and nothing more. They can add mature games to make it seem like one of the big boys, but just because lil Timmy wears daddy's shoes and plays dress up, doesn't make him a man. @ El Botto You are borderline idiot. I saw it when you wrote that WiiHD would outdue the 360 because the 360 has nothing differentiating it from the rest. So I guess the WiiHD will have superior online interactivity with digital distribution, social networking(facebook & twitter), 1080p movie streaming, renting, and purchasing, P2P connection, franchise titles, and ergonomically correct controllers?
Okay.. so pressing a button is more difficult that motion control? You need hand and eye coordination to press buttons? hahahahahh Come again dude. Your logic is flawed. Maybe your hand and eye coordination was off when you typed that message?
3 words Pachter: God. Of. War.
Gears of War! Killzone! Forza Motorsport! Gran Turismo! Resistance! Alan Wake! Motorstorm! Halo! Little Big Planet! Fallout! Bioshock!
For sure its not gonna cost the same $250 ! with 360 matching / bettering the price and PS3 (after the price cut) coming close to matching it... there is a reason
What could the WII possible offer that we don't already get from 360 and PS3 now or can get with a simple update. Nintendo milked the cow long enough and now its dried up. Sorry Nintendo GAME OVER 4 U