Some screenshots from the PC version of Lost Planet: Extreme Condition compared to the Xbox 360 version and some information from the enhancements garnered from the DirectX 10 resources.
Well there are diffences... But are they noticable while playing the game? Even with these freezed screenshots I have a hard time to say it blows me away what is enhanced.
Does it justify a PC rig with Vista and a DX10 compatible GPU which will cost you at least 2.000 dollar or Euro to build compared to 400 for a 360 premium? Don't think so if you ask me.
For real. I don't understand PC gamers. Use to be one myself, upgrading every year with another 300 to 500 Euro for GPU, Ram and whatever. But I'm glad I don't anymore. 360 for gaming, the PC for office stuff. Never wanna go back for gaming to a desk with a keyboard and a mouse. Those are made for typing and pointing the mouse onscreen, not for gaming if you ask me.
@ eques judicii (below)
I think you're partly right. Ofcourse, a PC can be upgraded constantly so will outdo a console with 'old' hardware over time in specifications
A PC runs Windows XP/Vista. Takes up what, 600 MB of the RAM. 1 GB average for users, so 400 MB left. Ofcourse 2 GB has more leftover.
The GPU in the 360 is a special build ATI 1900XTX with custom stuff that hasn't even appeard on PC GPU's like the extra fast 10 MB embedded RAM. The API control is DX9 based, but MS has left it flexible so the API control can do whatever they want they're not bound to DX9 and can do on top of that effects that are in DX10, it might even do things other/better then DX10 because it's so flexible.
The PC is made to do everything, allround. The console/360 is designed to do one thing best: gaming. A specialist always gets better results with less resources. It's waisting less power to achieve the same.
I'll have to wait and see how Gears will run on a normal gamersPC (I am not talking about a 3.000 dollar/euro superPC, it'll be similair then I guess).
There is a difference this gen with last gen. Last gen consoles had 'old' PC hardware when they launched. The XBOX 1 had a Celeron 733 Mhz CPU (how long was it out before the XBOX launched) a Geforce 3 GPU (same) and 64 MB Ram (too low if you ask me, even for that time).
This gen around, when the consoles launched, and the 360 launched, a triple core CPU @ 3.2 Ghz, a 48 pixel/shader pipeline GPU and the other stuff wasn't that common in PC's. So in general, it should hold longer with better or on par graphics.
Prey is a bad example if you ask me. It was a straight port, not done really good. THe 360 could have done better there. About the same with Oblivion. The only reason the PS3 is a tad better, is because they spend a full year extra on it. If they had the time with the 360 version extra, it would be better then the PS3 version.
A good example is Doom III or Half Life 2. If you see those games on a Celeron 733 Mhz CPU, a Geforce 3 and 64 MB running with that good graphics, that smooth, that good and you wanted to run them on the PC you needed a medium/high end PC.
Thus. I agree. A constantly upgraded PC can't be outdone with the hardware in a released console. BUT seen on those games like Doom III, HL2 combined with the fact that this gen consoles hardware is more high end compared to the last gen consoles when they released, I believe we can see equally pretty games on 360/PC, sometimes when special build they might even outdo their PC counterparts because of the universal 360 hardware compared to all kind of PC setup.
I think in Lost Planet the differences are very small. Less then Prey probably. I think the differences for Gears of War will be none or very small. Ah we'll see in the future!
@ Kyur4ThePain (below)
No, I won't buy an Elite like I said before for the following reasons:
1. I dislike black. It's so 80's. Don't like the PS3 for that. Don't like the Elite for that.
2. HDMI is not needed under 42" it's not that much better. I don't want it because HDMI is copyright restrictions on video. I have 1080p through VGA
3. A 120 GB HDD is nice, but I still have room on my 20 GB model. Because a lot of downloaded stuff you don't view anymore after a while. I can make my own 120 GB model with the hack from TheSpecialist on the harddrive for 50 dollar also.
So nope. No need to upgrade my great white 360 premium indeed. The games don't get any better with the Elite in graphics, do they?
@ Deepbrown (below)
Dude. It's not all about bandwith. First, tell me how much it comes short to do DX10 effects dude. Not every effect is about bandwith. I am talking about the API Control flexibility. ANd i've seen different calculations of bandwith, where the total of the 360 was bigger then the PS3's bandwith. If you are so certain of what you're saying: give links, and tell me how you thought it all out dude.
GPU not special build? Yep it is. Because MS has the rights of the design and hasn't have to pay ATI to use their design. They bought it. Unlike last gen when they had to 'lease' it and earn less.
It IS special build. It can have kind of core similair to what ATI makes for PC. But give me one PC GPU that has the 10 MB extra fast embedded ram as an extra die on the primairy die of the GPU. Just name it. That can do 4 x FSAA and HDR without any performance drop of the main die. It's not an 1800 for sure.
It seems you don't know what you're talking about. Instead of only denying stuff can you actually give facts talk gen and give links? Thanks in advance
EDIT @ Deepbrown again
I edit this post because it's better to read together and 2. Sony fanboys are hitting people on their bubbles because the truth is painfull.
The extra 10 MB extra fast ram with 4 x FSAA and HDR for free link (since you don't supply facts and links I will)
"ATI did clarify that although Microsoft isn't targetting 1080p (1920 x 1080) as a resolution for games, their GPU would be able to handle the resolution with 4X AA enabled at no performance penalty."
Deepbrown Pwned nr. 1
Now give me your link from the developers you say it can't do it that way. It will be a nice read. Because you don't have any
Then the ATI 1800/1900 special build lies you spread:
It's clear. 48 pixel/shader pipeline only the 1900 has it, link:
Pixel Shader pipelines 48
Vertex Shader pipelines 8
Pixel Shader pipelines 16
"So what does the R520 architecture bring to the table exactly? For starters it is not the 32-pipeline architecture it has been rumored to be, it is half that, offering just 16-pipelines"
So you say the 48 pixel/shader 360 GPU is based on a 16 pipeline one. Uh duh right.
"Official RADEON X1900 Specifications
* Codename: R580
* Process technology: 90 nm
* over 400 mln transistors (G70 contains 302 mlns)
* FC package (flip-chip, flipped chip without a metal cap)
* 256 bit memory interface
* Up to 1 GB of GDDR-3 memory
* PCI Express 16x
* 48 pixel processors"
Deepbrown pwned nr. 2.
Now will you gonna start giving links and facts instead of spreading nonsense?
ps. Another addition to this all about the API control flexible
"While most modern GPUs share many architectural similarities, Bob Feldstein and Chris Evenden of ATI went out of their way to explain to me, no matter how hard I tried to convince them otherwise, that the Xbox 360 GPU is very much an original creation. While some will try to tell you that is it simply a modified DirectX 9 GPU, you might be interested to learn that the only API spec that the Xbox 360 hardware meets is its own API. That is correct, the Xbox 360 GPU only meets it own Xbox 360 API specifications. While of course some lessons learned in DX9 and upcoming DX10 were applied, the GPU of the Xbox 360 is very much its own and comparing it directly to anything in the PC world is simply “not right” according to Mr. Feldstein. Obviously, the Xbox 360 can be thought of as a very innovative solution specifically for the Xbox and only the Xbox."
"Yes, the 10MB of Smart 3D Memory can do 4X Multisampling Antialiasing at or above 1280x720 resolution without impacting the GPU. Therefore, not only will all of your games on Xbox 360 be in High Definition, but they also will have 4XAA applied."
PWNED dude. Get your brown nose out of Barbie Kens ass
EDIT again for your latest additions Deepbrown:
"I will gladly provide you with links when I have time to go and find them, but I'm not some dude who knows nothing about this. This information is from developers who work on said platforms. You'll have to bear with me so I can find the information you so eagerly desire."
Oh please when I have the time to go and find them. You spend more then enough time on here, so you can go find them now. You're not some dude who knows nothing about this? I actually think you are. Just like DJ claiming stuff but never able to back it up. Say things and then when it has to be proven... They are or straight lies or the marketingbull of Sony themselve.
Tell me why should you be knowing something about it? Plus yep for sure, you're doing this kind of stuff because you favour the PS3. You know it's actually kind of sad. You don't truly want to speak out probably because you find it adequate that other readers here think you're unbiased. Those are the fanboys in disguise as I call them.
DJ, Deepbrown, Gamr, Truth and some more. I'd rather have straight fanboys so you know where they stand, then that sneaky stuff. You and Gamr post Sony positive and MS negative news and then in the messages suddenly you seem to try to be unbiased. Right.
I think you don't know much about it for real. Those dev's you name, just say which one and what's your relationship with them. I would be really surprised if you can show some facts and links to support your bald statements dude
Now a almost full time console gamer.
You are right about upgrades, but I have used some argument with a hand of "console for live" friends that is possible do intelligent upgrades and play some more time with the almost same rig.
In the past 4 year, I have only upgraded my graphic card once. And I have sold my old Geforce 2 for 50% of the price of my Geforce X1600Pro. Too money, but I'm a smart guy. Not bad for me.
Some of the "console for live" friends have changed their PS2 2 or more times (laser cannon problem). With the game price difference, they have dispose of more money than me.
are of course going to be there because pc's can have more power than the 360... especially now that the 360 is over a year old, technology improves and computers track the improvements continuously while consoles track the improvements every half decade.
its pretty straight forward actually... does this mean that the game looks bad on the 360? no! just like prey, the game will be slightly improved on the pc because there is more computing power and more available memory (lots more!)
i'm still happy to have played it already and not have to wait ;-)
Funny how the tune changes. Will the difference be noticeable while playing? You mean like the "differences" you like to point out in multi platform games? But now you won't notice small differences?
And you say you moved away from PC gaming because of the constant need to upgrade...I guess you're not getting an Eite then.
again the mart is proving he is a hypocrite.
Kyur4ThePain, overrated, You guys are just pissed up. What would anybody get an elite for the games? all 360 SKU play the games the exact same way. If it helps you you can consider the PC as another microsoft SKU since technically the PC(DirectX10) is a XBox with steroids. mmmm.... is that a bad thing? What's funny is that microsoft already started working with the next XBox, learning, testing with the PC. The elite (and you already know it) simply brings a larger hard drive and hdmi which means crap in terms of gaming (Gears is 720p does not need a hard drive and yet no game has being able to match it in terms of graphics on the 360 or the all might and powerful PS3).
Kyur4ThePain please give me an intelligent explanation; Why would you need to upgrade your 360 the elite sku to play this game?
Kyur4ThePain, if you already own a 360(I know you wouldn't) would you get a $2000-$3000 to play just to play this game?
Unless you have good reason or already own a high end PC, these games are release on the PC for those Sony fanboys that are to proud and wouldn't want to own a 360 ($399) but are too stupid and are willing to pay ($2000-$3000) for a game that is being out for half a year on the 360.
I commend your mission mart, but this
"The GPU in the 360 is a special build ATI 1900XTX with custom stuff that hasn't even appeard on PC GPU's like the extra fast 10 MB embedded RAM. The API control is DX9 based, but MS has left it flexible so the API control can do whatever they want they're not bound to DX9 and can do on top of that effects that are in DX10, it might even do things other/better then DX10 because it's so flexible."
is bull. The 360 just doesnt have the bandwidth to keep up with new and future PC games, played at high setting sof course
"The GPU in the 360 is a special build ATI 1900XTX"
Thats also not true, its based on the r520 which was the x1800....bearing in mind that the x1900 came out a year AFTER the 360.
**edit**I never said it WAS the x1800, I said it was BASED ON the x1800...and if you say special as in "unique" then that's fine, but it is NOT based on the x1900
"That can do 4 x FSAA and HDR without any performance drop of the main die" - this is also untrue, any developer could tell you this.
My comments are informed enough to realise that you are making things up and the fact is if a developer was to read what you are writing now they would have a good laugh. PS. why are you saving your bubbles, just reply to me directly.
pps. a PC uses around 400mb for applications...as I can see on my computer right now with windows running and many other applications. Remember a PC set up for graphics will also have on board memory on its graphics card. As well as most gaming PC's will have 2gb of memory
ppps. "I'll have to wait and see how Gears will run on a normal gamersPC (I am not talking about a 3.000 dollar/euro superPC, it'll be similair then I guess)." Isn't that a contradiction?
I will gladly provide you with links when I have time to go and find them, but I'm not some dude who knows nothing about this. This information is from developers who work on said platforms. You'll have to bear with me so I can find the information you so eagerly desire.
If you think I'm doing this to big up the ps3 you are sorly wrong. No where have I mentioned that platform, I have only mentioned the 360 and your comments in comparing it to a high-end PC. Mart this isn't about pwning or whatever you call it, this is about having a discussion about these things and if you cant do that in a mature manner then what is the point in engaging in a conversations with you?
God that mart kid is funny. He keeps trying to convince himself about his console choice... and fails miserably every single time even when he writes a page long about it LOL!
Whenever Marty post something, there a a few of you guys that just pounce on him no matter what he says. I beleive that if he said that the PS3 was a great machine, you all would jump in a call him a fibber and discredit his comment. NO matter what he says, you tag teamers ALWAYS jump in with your two cents. I no longer thinks it's about the debate anymore, you guys are making it personal; which is a shame.
It's not even a fair comparison to compare the 360, ps3 or any other console with a Gamer's PC. The PC should win hands down. I also noticed that the screen shots were NOT taken at the same resolution for both systems. To make it more fair, they will have to lower the PC resolution to match that of the 360. We already know for example that 320x200 is not going to look as good as 640x480 on a 22 in monitor the you have onboard video memory and other varibles.(just an example).
But, back to "The Mart" I have read his comments and sometimes he does my wild comments (as do all of us) but, yall take the bashing sh!t too far and you never let up. Grow UP!
Mart I'm afraid I'm not at liberty to inform you who. But that's irrelevant. You'll get your links in time. Note I have not countered you to belittle the technology of any of the products, but there were many half-truths turned into a few lies in your post and I felt it was helpful to point them out.
I post news of all sorts, good and bad, but mostly I post news about games. Don't you think that's what was important. I tried to stay up to get the news and screenshots on too human, but it took far too long...IGN were a bit slow. There is no convulted selection process like you who would jump on a piece of Sony FUD as soon as possible. Also I find it amusing you wouldn't like to talk or be friendly with someone who prefers the ps3, even if they own a 360 ;)
Links will come in time marty. As I said you're welcome to diss the ps3 against a high-spec PC.
The GPU in the xbox 360 is an early version of what will be the R600 series that will be released this summer by ATI.
Ha ha ha! you people actually think that it takes a high-end PC to outperform a 360, Aha ha ha ha, yea, you's just keep telling yourselfs that, LOL! Oh yea, and it has to cost 2 to 3 thousand dollars to do it,... right ;-) Ha ha ha ha!!!
Oh yea, and you have to upgrade every year, LOL!! righ, right! if you people really believe that, than you's know nothing about PC's, and having had been a gamer on one, doesnt mean you really know your sh!t. Oh yea, and Vista sucks! its just bloatware (can you say WindowsME?), XP performs much better on games than Vista does! All Vista is good at is opening my programs faster at the expense of actually making games run slower (POS!!!). Oh look, ma! Yahoo messenger opens a couple of secs after. But how do they accomplish this? By loading all your frequently used programs in the memory (the RAM) even if you aint using them. Wow! how efficient. No thanks, no wonder it takes up 400-800MB's while in idle! Its cuz its got all those programs loaded and running in the background to speed up the opening of those programs. No thank you! i'll stick to the XP method which is far better in my opinion. Oh and how nice of MS to try and force us to move up to Vista by not letting us install DX10 on XP or giving us a SP3, but good luck on that MS, cuz i bet you the hackers will make it happen, they always do.
The 360 can barely run most games over 30 frames per sec, while running at only 1280x720p with 2xAA on average, with mid-res to some high-res textures. Weak! oh yea, they'll tell you they are high-res textures, but everytime you compare it to the PC's version of the game's textures the 360 usually looks weaker, closer to PC's version mid-res textures than it is to the PC games high-res texture. But no, you's wont believe me, cuz you are a bunch of fanboys who cant see the truth. Go ahead, i dare you to compare them. If you got a game on both compare the graphics quality. And if you claim the graphics are worst on the PC than i wanna know what are your specs and your settings. And this has been the case since the 360's release
the differences are there... just not something that's making me go crazy or feel the need to upgrade my pc... both look good though... glad i've been playin since Jan =)
the ps3 and the 360 will have their limits were pc games basicly have no limits, but if you have extremly high needs for a pc game not everyone has directx10 vista and all that fancy stuff i do so i will be looking forward to crysis
I'm a console gamer. Really the only games i play on the PC is well the C&C games and Age Of Empires. The rest of my entertainment comes from my consoles.
Even though i have a decent computer.
How much do you need to pay for a retail computer that will run Lost Planet such that it will look better than 360? That's the beef with PC gamers. You spend maybe $3,000 on a gaming rig and then exclaim you have teh b3st gr4phics in your neighborhood.
Well... I mean... of course you do. If you were to buy a Ferrari, you'd also suddenly notice that you got to destinations around your city faster. It's amazing to think about, I know.
Thats how much it cost me to add an 8800 to my PC.
You 360 fanboys see the difference!? This is the power of DX10. This is only the beginning. Before pc ports always seemed terrible because the either the developers were lazy or just because the simple fact DX9 sucks in every way compared to DX10.
When more 360 games are ported to PC, they'll always look better with DX10 support. At first DX10 games will already look better than the inferior console version, but down the road when developers understand the API better, the games will blow up away.
BTW, don't think having the pc version "not worth buying" just because you need to build a $2,000 to $3,000 gaming rig. If you think that then you need to stfu because you don't know what you're talking about. My rig only cost me about $1,300 and it's doing wonders for me.
400$ and you spent 3000$ and thats the difference between consoles and computers. I can spend 400$ and have over 1000$ to buy a nice HDTV and all the games and accessories I want. I don't see the point in spending that much money on my PC which I would only play 2-3 games.
$1,300 > $399 see the difference?
"My rig only cost me about $1,300 and it's doing wonders for me" Key word, "doing wonders for me". We all know that you can build an 'ok' PC that will help you go bye. But what we are talking about is a PC that matches the power of current Gen consoles. Do you have a tripple core CPU 3.2, Ram GDDR3 RAM, and a Radeon R600(closes match and it may retail for $400-$600), obviously need a new motherboard too.
Trust me, we are not talking about putting together an OK PC just because you read some A+ books. We are talking about a PC for gaming.
Also, keep in mind that not all 360 games will be heading to the PC. It's crazy how Sony fanboys are going nutz because FPS or TPS are heating to the PC. Duhhh. How about all the other games?
I don't need a new motherboard, mine is a Evga nForce 680i mobo. All I have to do it upgrade to a new videocard: $500+ for R66 or G80. I have one GB of RAM right now, and all I'll have to do it add one more. Then tear out my E6600 and swap in a QUAD-CORE CPU: QX6700. Then I'm done upgrading. I already have a big HDD, 550W PSU, and DVD optical drive. I honestly don't see the money as a big issue.
BTW, why the hell do people think there's so little of games to play of pc!? I just started playing pc games for little over a year and I already have well over 30 games to play as of now. New games are coming too. Lots!
"BTW, why the hell do people think there's so little of games to play of pc!? I just started playing pc games for little over a year and I already have well over 30 games to play as of now."
I'm with you there, I play PC games everyday specially MMO and FPS like BF. But this is not about the PC not having enough games... it's about what you said... "THIS IS WHY I DON'T NEED AN XBOX 360"... you use the fact manybe 5 out of the hundreds of 360 games are heading to the PC as a reason not to buy a 360. Also, not everyone may have the money to spend as much money as you can to play a game. For me Money is not an issue, last PC I made I spend like $3,000 only 1 1/2 and I am about to do the same. But I do understand the importance of the console in the industry.
Im satying with my console for xbox-live but I am definitely getting a new Pc for crysis.
I'll have to prepare a new pc for up coming games like this... vista hmmm...
PC is extremely extendable. It can be continuously upgraded with the latest and greatest and thus will always be better graphically in the long run then consoles. However it takes a lot of work to make that happen even if you are not upgrading moneywise every couple of months.
To buy a PC game you need to look at the requirements and decide if you PC can handle it. If not you upgrade if so you buy it. Then you install it, then you may have to find drivers for it and then you tweak it to get the best out of it. This CAN be quick and dirty or it CAN take weeks for perfection.
With a console, your only thing you care about before buying it is if you want it. Then you put it in...if there are some updates, it updates, if not you just go right on and play. Yeah it may not be the "perfection" but its no less fun to play.
I used to be a PC gammer. But I work with PCs (and servers) all day at work. I don't want to install and tweak and upgrade. I want to throw it in and have fun so I switched to console. Sure sometimes I see all the PC mods and stuff and think that would be cool but then I realize I really am too lazy for that and just want to play the game and have some fun. Those who like to tweak and upgrade thats cool I think you will find a lot of joy in Lost Planet.
Look it up.
Costs more than the 360 premium. With that said....the only differences I noticed was the pc version looked a tad sharper. But that "Could" have more to do with PC's having digital connections...DVI...and the 360 using componant cables for "NOW". With the Elite releasing in a couple weeks....the hdmi connection should sharpen things up a tad.
Finally, all I have to say is at least everyone doesn't have to buy 600 dollar video cards, ect every year to enjoy AAA titles. Thank Goodness for Microsoft and the xbox 360. It brings AAA PC games to the masses to enjoy in their living rooms in 1080p HD. And the Console Market is larger than the PC market. Thats why games released on the 360 and the PC "always sell better" on the 360. If there wasn't a 360....everyone would have to uprgrade their PC every year or so to play the latest greatest PC games. And that leaves out a lot of Casual gamers and even hardcore gamers. CPU upgrades/Motherboard upgrades, video card upgrades....get expensive every year or so. And with graphical difference compared to the 360 minimal. Mainly sharpness of the textures. I'm excited about getting my Elite with hdmi output. WOW.
P.S. EB games haven't announced it officially, but they will be taking in 360 premium trade in specials if its going toward the Elite. From what my fam member is telling me it will be sweet. Somthing to the likes of 280 towards an Elite. That means you only pay 200 to upgrade from the premium to the Elite. The price of the 120 gig hard drive....And you get the Elite with hdmi output. Look for it people. It will be for limited time only when its officially announced.
it will be almost impossible see the difference, while playing,
so they are making good multiplatform game on pc. =)
No matter how bad I want to play Crysis,I just can't!,PC gaming is not my thing,I'll buy LP 2 for my Xbox 360,just as I did with the first one.:)
And I already own a Playstation 3,Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii along with a PSP & DS to keep me busy.
They should have designed it for PC user to be able to fight 360 users aiming would give the M & K players an advantage and 360 players would have the advantage of using the Metal Gear. If PC users use a Controller (3rd party/360) well its just looks like PC users will be enjoying a prettier version as if the game didn't rival GoW in some areas in the first place(360 version). I'll be getting the PC version.
People Saying theres no reason to buy the 360 have already made up there minds and are such in a small demographic its not worth trying to make some kind of point out of it. lol
Its great PC people that do not want to buy a 360 can enjoy this game its so addicting and nobody should miss out on this Nex-gen gaint. Every day there is tons of Level one's ine the lobbies this title is still selling like hot cakes its a wonder Capcom isn't showing off the sales numbers.
WHAT ARE THOSE PS3 FANBOYS GOING OFF ON; DID SOMEBODY SAY THE PC VERSION DOES NOT LOOK BETTER THAN THE 360s?(Ps3Fanboy777 & Ps3007.
I am really curious to see how much a difference the mouse / keyboard makes. It seems to me people will be better with whatever their used to.
of difference but no Arguing with a 8800GTX, I mean how can you? Fanboys stop using "Mart" as a "scapegoat" for lame personal comments, unrelated to the article. A lot of weak opinionated followers on here, oh yeah lets bash one guy.
If you have something to say on the topic or argue, then do so.
Have you played LP?, From my personal experiance with the game Useing a Mouse and Key board would be hell trying to operate a Mech/VS.
Sorry but for one the game looks better on PC.
An 8800gts costs $350 on newegg. Sorry but ive never spent $1000 on a computer. My last computer was built right ($600) and now all I had to do was pop in an 8800... For $350...
People forget such things as resolution, AA, AF, V-Sync, and frame rate.
Not to mention its a port and in no way utilizing the 8800...
As far as K-MART.... He has no idea what he is talking about and usually never does. Somehow he thinks the 360 is all high and mighty when its already been outperformed.
PC looks better and will continue to widen the gap. Why buy a 360 when the games look better and play better and are cheaper both to buy and online costs....
As far as Gears looking better on PC of course it will... You cant run High AA and AF and Resolution on consoles bottom line. Those differences alone cause it to look a lot better.
360 cant even enable V-sync in the majority of games for crying out loud.
- Ambient occlusion comparison #1: Xbox 360 vs. PC
- Ambient occlusion comparison #2: Xbox 360 vs. PC
- Ambient occlusion comparison #3: Xbox 360 vs. PC
- Decal bullet holes vs. geometric bullet holes: Xbox 360 vs. PC
- Resolution comparison: Xbox 360 vs. PC
- Shadows comparison: Xbox 360 vs. PC
Everyone of those looks better on PC.
Dude. Read my links and prove me wrong. You can't. Period. I'm done with fanboys that can't give backup when they disagree.
Ofcourse, a PC that does such a high resolution has sharp screens...
So your PS3 also is locked to 720p or 1080p. The thing is: they won't get the MS exclusives.
Like we say all along spend 2k or 3k on a PC it'll look better. But that tad better on Lost Planet isn't worth the extra cash spend.
plz look at the snow .. both XBOX and PC version screenshots are in the EXACT SAME TIME!!! its impossible imo... thx PHOTOSHOP
give me just 3 minutes .. I'll show u the ps3 version of those screens :P
And these screenshots are @ 720p? Who runs that old resolution anymore on a PC?
Show 2500 x 1600 with 24xAA 16xAF compared to Xbox 360 screens, then lets see how much the 360 gets slaughtered.
Seriously believe what you want (big difference between decal bullet holes and geometry based bullet holes)
As far as Gears of War, it will look better on PC for obvious reasons such as resolution, highest textures possible (that Capcom created, im sure the 8800 can handle more then this game easily), AA, AF, etc...
Consoles have already been outperformed by PC's the gap will only continue to widen.
Well, I own in on the console, and I'll be buying in on PC but look;
You're going to need to spend AT LEAST $600 for a NEW videocard on your PC (God knows how you spent on the one in it now), if you want to see these changes on PC.
Or, you could spend $360 bucks and pick up a '360. -Shrugs-.
I said Im sure both are in XBOX 360 ... lol .. Screens are EDITed guys!!
how can they took images in the SAME TIME!!! watch snow more carefuly..
And 2 gigs of ram are over 100 dollars each gig
And the quad core processor with mother board is over 700 dollars alone.
But, with that said....the differences in the screen shots were minimal. But then as I stated previously. Digital connections can make a difference in the sharpness of the images.
I think the 360 versions of PC games stand up rather well. And for the costs of the system....its an unbelievable value for gamers who don't or won't upgrade their PC's every year just to keep up with Tech. And when I look at those screens of the 360 version....it doesn't look as good as the game does on my 1080p 61 inch tv. It looks way better than that on my TV. Maybe its not in FUll 1920 by 1080 resolution on these screen shots.
TheMart....Good Job providing links to back every single word you say. Deepbrown is just as bad as DJ when it comes to spreading mis information. All because "they" said so...or "its common information"....ha ha ha ha ha...its more like common myths that they base their info on. Anyone who has been a part of News4Gamers for over a year knows that I have provided all the information to blow away DJ, Jin, and Deepbrowns lies. Its strange how they can't ever show links backing what they claim. Excellent job TheMart.
Yep man I know. You backed up your stuff also.
Yup DJ, Deepbrown, all calling: Dev's say so and then they don't backup. DJ was funny mentioning in the end he read it of a forum.
Deepbrown now saying got to stick with him I am curious what kind of Sony PR he comes up with. For real.
Anyways, I am glad some people just stick to this site. And those that hate me because I speak out too much, am too sarcastic and direct. Just click on the ignore button. Follow TopGamer then instead. He owns 360's a PS3 and a Wii and will be more balanced in that way maybe.
Although getting to the core, we say about the same.
@ Deepbrown (below)
Ofcourse. So you're not misinformed? How do you call it then, that you gave the wrong information some posts above?
Uhu, you can't provide the info, because the dev's that are 'feeding' you (right) are laughing about something I said. Ask them what exactly, specify it and give the right info then. And had to go on with more important things.
So how much can you lie just to say you DON'T KNOW dude. Just stop that bull and come clean. You don't have dev's telling you anything. You read info on the net as everybody here.
You have your people to provide you links? I am saying the 360 GPU and the ATI 1900 are much alike. The 360 GPU is like a 1900 in the architecture. You can't argue with that. And it's more specified because of the 10 MB extra fast embedded ram, an extra die on the main one. Relieving it for things like 4 x AA and HDR. I am not saying the ATI 1900 was first and 360 GPU is build on it. Heck, ATI develops the thing, it might have based the 1900 on the 360's design indeed as it was first. So you need to read more closely dude.
You don't need to PM me, you're can proof yourself out here dude. Supply the links when your 'contacts' are ready. I am already laughing my ass off.
All these fanboys around here, including you and DJ saying they have 'devs' telling them things. They're just reading through websites where other fanboys are disguised as so called devs. Stop hiding behind all those fake stories and get your facts straight dude. You don't have people/devs 'working' for ya if you're posting on a user gamer side like this for fun.
I still find it amusing you think I'm trying to big up the ps3, or to belittle the 360. Please quote from what I said that implies that at all.
*requested pull* sorry guys. pm it is.
ps. in way of proof. I have not the time to research that. I didn't even read this article or your posts, I was asked to post it. Shame I couldn't back it up with said links straight away.
Let's see it running on an average users PC. Not doubt it looks better on the quad-core CPU and 8800 GTX set-up, but not many people have that kind of rig. This is the best case scenario, but not the common one. I used to be a PC gamer, but upgrading conponents all the time got too expensive. Wht you buy today is obsolete in 6 months. At least the consoles have a lifespan of 4-10 years with the games released.
Lostplanet designed for Xbox360 and not for DX10.. so there is no big dif between them.. may be on text or lighting.. Lostplanet is a DX9 game in tech but Vista need big games for DX10 .. the true DX10 games will come in late 2007 or 2008 .. may be just Crisys use full DX10 and other games going to DX9 becuz it has more users than vista....
anyway xbox version looks good enough for 720p tv ..
How silly I'm .. I really tought for a second that nobody was going to be dumb enough to use this as an argument against the 360 ..
Dude .. they are upgrading the game because they have time to do so. The engine is made for ports.. Xbox360 is great for ports.. they had an easy port and now are polishing it up .. they will probably have a year to do so.
Great for them! will made an already launched game sell something. Now stop the fanboy nonsence about "oh, 360 cant handle this GFX" .. Lost Planet is nowhere NEAR Gears of War .. Graw2 .. or Mass Effect... and will probably be beat to crap by Resident Evil 5 IN 360.
who cares about lost planet still
pssh..mgs4 and ffx will destroy them both. HECK Resistance is better! Capcom dont know who they messin wit. PS3 + Home + Robust PSN + Largest library of games, exclusives, first party library + bluray for games + cell for duh games + linux, soon windows = GAME OVER AND XFLOP IS DOWNGRADED TO XFLOP 180...but ms will just release an xbox 540 SUPER ELITE which will have to get crushed again...but still by PS3.
"Microsoft has clearly stated they are going after Sony this generation. But they meant Playstation 2. That's why the 360 became like that."
"Microsoft shoots for the moon, Sony shoots for the sun."
"All PS3 lacks is in game xmb which you can petition for at
Once we get this. Game over."
lol this ones funny
"I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."
Well thats just plain stupid, no console can be the most beautiful thing in the world. Its called a woman.
And please tell me wtf he was talking about here
"The PS3 will instill discipline in our children and adults alike. Everyone will know discipline."
Now i don't hate sony but if you bring out kutaragi quotes, i have to bring out the crazy stuff he said.
Really dude, if you actually think Msoft will go down that easy you are blind. Niether do i think Sony will either. Competition is good, and frankly i dont see any reason why Sony of Msoft will flop.
And if what you say is true, Sony will only become like EA, a monopoly and over time make crappier and crappier things. You don't want that happen do you?
And this XMB thing, its already on the 360, at least the music thing.
And if Msoft released another console after the Elite, it would be more powerful than the PS3. The same with the PS3 being more powerful than the 360.
And adding to that historically, the most powerful console doesn't necessarily win(xbox last generation).
As for games, the PS3 and 360 are actually quite even. Thats why I'm getting both.
false information and spec sheets at us. It's kind of pointless making 5-page rants about how Xbox 360 is supposedly more powerful than anything on the planet without any evidence to back up their claims. With these screen comparisons, it's obvious that the PC version (yet again) wins by a long shot.
True, Mart posts 'data' on how the Xenos GPU can run DX10, and even do things "better than DX10", but we all know that's a flatout lie. The Xbox 360's GPU was built to run DirextX 9.0c. Not DX 10. Not DX 11. DX 9.0c
The fact that the 360 has unified memory/bandwidth architecture also eats into the GPU's true potential since it has to share its entire bandwidth line with the CPU, as well as I/O devices. ED-RAM doesn't do crap since it can't hold frames larger than 620p without eating into system RAM and Bandwidth due to tiling. ED-RAM could've given the 360 an edge, but Microsoft only coughed up enough money for 10MB, not the 32MB required to hold 1080p frames (with anti-aliasing of course). You guys can say what you want, but by the looks of Lair, Ninja Gaiden, Getaway, Ratchet, Uncharted, and Heavenly Sword all that talk about the PS3 being inferior to the 360 is getting even more laughable.
Even considering it will only trigger another wave of uninformed opiniouns .. I can't help but to tell you: Dude .. 360's EDRAM doesn't need to hold the entire frame on the screen .. that is why they are TILES .. 360 does 1080p AA already in some games. (Lost Planet is one isn't? not sure .. )
Plus, 360 is neither DX10 neither inferior to it .. 360 is a CONSOLE .. a fix-hardware .. without Windows .. without "drivers" .. the developers can feast on it for years to come before every one of the consoles get out-dated as they should .. being 360 the last. Look at God of War 2 .. what does it tell you? .. keep looking at it as you should instead of losing your time posting here.
are Virtua Tennis and Virtua Fighter 5 (upscaling doesn't count), and the most likely reason is system bandwidth. Tiling is an issue because it does exactly that. Plus there's some problems with unified memory architecture that I won't get into.
720p titles require two tiles per frame. 1080p titles require four tiles per frame. ED-RAM has high internal bandwidth, but the connection to Xenos is just a fraction of that number. Had Microsoft gone with split memory pools and the inclusion of CPU RAM for the CPU (rather than GPU ram) things would be a lot better for 360 devs. As of now, they have to make compromises for one side or the other.
But really either way PS3 or 360. Theres plenty of stuff to play. If the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 ok, i can live with that, then again i will be living with that quite literally. But all i know is i am playing the hell out of my 360. And will be playing th hell out of the PS3 when i get it next year.
Other than fanboys, who cares?
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS:
Enjoy the game on the console/PC of your choice. Stop nitpicking.
Yes, I think the 360 shots hold up pretty well when compared to the PC. That said, I suspect that the same could be said of the PS3, if there was a PS3 version of the game.
http://www.watch.impress.co... 360 version for the same scene
FP16-64 HDR (on PC)
http://www.watch.impress.co... FP10-32 HDR on Xbox 360
Though some say the performance of the Xbox 360 CPU is not very good, according to Capcom, the performance of a single core of the Xbox 360 CPU is 2/3 of the Pentium 4 with the same clock speed. When SMT is fully exploited, about 4 times larger performance can be observed. In terms of PC it's comparable with 4 SMT threads in a dual-core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz).
In terms of PC it's comparable with 4 SMT threads in a dual-core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz).
In terms of PC it's comparable with 4 SMT threads in a dual-core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz).
In terms of PC it's comparable with 4 SMT threads in a dual-core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz).
Well, in games A64 3500+ a little overclocked till 2,6GHz will be faster, then Pentium 4 EE 840. =)
http://www.tomshardware.com... GF8600GTS will cost less then 199$ when the game will be released. :)
Well the difference in graphics is like zero. Only good thing about Lost Planet coming to PC is that it can eventually use the Live service on Windows Vista so that the Lost Planet community grows.
Here is a list of 1080p native games for the 360 thats out right now.....
If you doubt me, go to your local gaming store and ask to look at the games on this list. You will see in "Clear" print ... "native 1080p" on the back of the game. Not upscaled. Every 360 game is upscaled to 1080p...which by the way makes a huge difference....But the list of games out now is "native" 1080p....Why DJ would like people to think otherwise is beyond me. He has some serious issues. And ATI clearly states in the link that TheMart provided that the super fast intelligent 10 meg ram can do 1080p with AA and HDR with no penality. The ps3 has no way of doing that with a severe hit to the games performance. That is why you won't see as many ps3 games in 1080p with AA and HDR being implemented.
Ghost Recon 2
Armored Core 4
Def Jam Icon
Meet the Robinsons
Guitar Hero 2
NCAA March Madness
Nba Street Homecourt
Virtua Tennis 3
Now its important to note that some of those games are on the ps3 as well....and some aren't in 1080p on the ps3 but are on the 360. Which shows how the embedded super fast intelligent ram helps in that regard. Interesting indeed.
I've proven you wrong countless times, so I'll make this easy for the newcomers to see:
According to Microsoft and their respective developers, almost every single title you listed is rendered natively at 720p. The ANA chip in the 360 simply upscales (i.e. stretches) 720p frames to fit on a 1080p screen. The game casings have "1080p" support printed on the back, not "native 1080p". Don't believe me? Let's ask Microsoft ->
Splinter Cell- 720p
Lost Planet- 720p
Bullet Witch- 1080i
I could go on and on, but I'm kind enough not to embarrass you further. As far as I know, NBA Street Homecourt is the only other 360 title that renders natively at 1080p besides the two Sega titles (Virtua Fighter and Virtua Tennis). Yeah, I know it hurts that the PS3 can handle the resolution easier than the 360 but there's nothing we can do to change that.
ED-RAM was a patch to help alleviate the bandwidth stress imposed onto the Xenos GPU by Unified Memory Architecture; unfortunately, Microsoft put Profits ahead of the needs of game developers and thus 360 developers have been complaining quite a bit about the small ED-RAM put into the system. Even Bizarre Creations couldn't get Project Gotham beyond 620p due to small ED-RAM. Again, there was a lot of potential in the Xenos GPU, but the environment it was put into really chokes it down. Had Microsoft gone with Dedicated Memory Architecture, a la the PS3, the 360 would most likely have a nice advantage over its Sony counterpart due to the use of ED-RAM. Oh well, maybe next time.
"That is why you won't see as many ps3 games in 1080p with AA and HDR being implemented."
You read up on the 360, but you dont read up on the ps3.
I'll name at least two games with that. Lair and Heavenly Sword, both confirmed to have 4xAA and HDR.
I agree 100% mate and have given you positive feedback! I bought a PS3 the other day and I do like it but the 360 is where its at for pure gaming.
The problem is the PSfanboys or babies are mostly 13yo that dont know anything.
it STILL looks better on the P.C no matter how much you try to dress it up..end of chat
How capcom could port it to PC and why not on PS3 hmm... something is being payed off..$$$$M$$$$
...but, are you really that ignorant? :o
MS = PC, so how is this surprising?
Not all shots but several.
reguardless, if a game comes out months later it's always going to have additional time and newer shaders or what have you to be used. Newest of ports should always be better too. So no surprise.
The xbox 360 gpu does have some DX10 attributes,unified shaders the first on any gpu period,the 360 gpu shares many features that are DX 10 in nature but cant be called a dx10 gpu because of the diferences in its API,but there are features on the 360 gpu that are beyond dx10 like mem mexport and the embedded ram.But what the Mart has been saying the 360 gpu doesn't have to officially called a dx10 gpu, as this very flexible gpu can render many if not all dx10 features with its highly scalable API.So at the end of the day the 360 can achieve many of the dx 10 graphical effects and future 360 games are going to get better and better which is good news for gamers
Show one link stating that Lair and Heavonly sword do both HDR and 4xAA and 1080p for the final game. I'm not saying its impossible. But I am saying its highly unlikely. Very few games will be in 1080p with those features turned on. Nvidia cards have only Just recently been able to pull it off with their 8800 series cards. Prior to that they didn't have the tech to do it. When they would go head to head with ATI cards...they couldn't even be tested with HDR and AA enabled. Nvidias focus has always been on the speed of their cards until now. But with ATI's new line releasing....Nvidia is once again left in the dust. I have read that if games are 1080p on the ps3....they loose graphical fidelity and many effects like HDR and AA. The 360 is special because it can do HDR and AA with no hit to the hardware. And those two features are system hogs. Even for computers they drastically effect gameplay when both are enabled.
Im not going to get this on the PC, since i already beaten the 360 version and thought it was really just a mediocre game to begin with but from what those screens shows, the PC looks like it has the edge over the 360 version. The PC version had more detail in the background, made the 360 bullet holes look like black spots on the snow compared the PC actually showing holes, Xbox360 had more jagged shadows, etc. Is Lost Planet worth a high end computer?? I sure as heck dont think so. Would i get it for my PC (Q6600 + 8800GTX) over the 360 if i didnt already play the xbox version?? yes.
All in all, if you're actaully playing Lost Planet you probably won't have time to really check how the shadows are a little jagged or if there's a littlebit more laser particles for the PC version.
BTW: "Pure" gaming is STILL best on the PS2, not 360. the 360 has not even come out with any real good games in months. As a matter of fact the only great game i've played so far is GeOW, the rest is pretty much decent. the PS3 has LESS than the xbox360 in terms of gaming at this point but the best gaming system is still the PS2.