with Microsoft's impressive showcasing of Natal at this years E3 show, Gameztraffic writer Del looks on whether this is really a revolution in the way we control games, or just another gimmick from Microsoft.
The article started out fine ...then i was just lefted in a daze.
who wants to play videgame and sweat at the same time? at least i don't...
i agree, as much as i like the idea of Natal, I still think that when i want to play a nice game and just sit and chill with a controller in my hands, and not dance around like a fanny. lol can you imagine a coop game of some 3rd person action game, 2 people in the same room prancing about like a couple of fools (so many injuries).
This reminds me of when the Eyetoy was first released... I can remember all sorts of articles like this. Controllers arnt going anywhere anytime soon. Certainly not this cycle, or the next.
moving around while playing a game? i don't think so. id rather sit and play with a controller. the only other decive i would use would be a brain scanner.
Imagine having to play Street Fighter and to do all the moves you have to DO ALL THE MOVES! I think I'd pull something trying to do Fei Long's flaming kick. No thanks.
How would you move around a 3d space with the Natal? You can't
@above Actually you can.. The camera can pick up depth
DAmn, Microsoft project NATAL was not designed to replace current generation way of playing games. THE GAME CONTROLLER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!! GOT THAT!? Natal was created for this purpose only. TO STEAL THE CASUAL/NEW GAMERs AWAY from NINTENDO WII and pull them over to XBOX, as of saying "YOU don't have to get a Nintendo Wii, look what our XBOX brand could give you." CORE GAMERs will still have their gamepad controllers titles and NATAL would be just an added component for those parties who just getting into gaming. Nothing more, nothing less.
its a great step forward for MS to capture casual gamers but will never replace traditional gamepads for more complex games........but its user interface applications are endless.....looking forward to it on that front....they are really captureing the best of both worlds here....i think it will be great on that fron...Kudos to them...
SDF working around the clock. Dance and fitness games are very popular, don't want to sweat you say? Natal tracks in 3D and there are videos all over the web proving it. If want to use a standard controller don't use Natal or play games for it assuming the people in here trash talking will ever own the 360
Can I sue microsoft if natal injures me? $_$
no matter what gimmick or crazy new idea you bring to the table no matter who tries to change gaming doesn't change the fact that controlers are here to stay so i say no
Whats that have to do with the millions of casuals that will love this and could care less about needing to push a button in traditional games? You claim to know what devs will do with this tech?
I agree things will probably start going the way of Natal but the controller will still be here, it has to be. It would literally be impossible to play Halo on Natal and it stay as serious and competitive as it is. It's having its own software built for it, Microsoft will probably use controllers and Natal together in games. I think both Natal and controllers can coexist peacefully(I stole that line from George W. Bush =P)
And there's buttons on it too, lol. There is no controller free gaming on Wii. The Wii fit board is a controller. Controllers will always be more effective and more responsive. How can you get more responsive then pressing a button? Natal will have an easier time getting casuals to use it. Can't say the same about the hardcore crowd. As promising as it looks, I doubt it's the future control pad. We need to see some games use it first, no tech demos.
Whatever people want to say, I completely agree qface that the future of gaming will always be a controller. Natal might usher in new genres of gaming like 'on the rail shooters' where it guides you through the level and you have to just shoot or bend to use cover.. those kind of games. Natal is simply useless in playing shooter which is 360's biggest market. Just tell me how can one walk or run or reload or use cover? Even Fighters will be hard to replicate... You don't expect me to do those crazy stunts do you? The thing looks flashy initially, but once one puts a little thought into it, one realizes it's short comings. Another aspect is that the accuracy will be questioned. Yesterday only the article 'How a new Xbox is possible with Natal' said that Natal cannot capture a video at 30FPS at 720P due to USB limitations. So that might be a reason they are designing a new Xbox with Natal integrated so transferring data is better. And the thing will be expensive. Just check the price of individual components of Natal on various site and one gets a picture that the thing might cost somewhere around 200$. 2 3D motion sensor cameras (expensive)+Built in processor (as M$ said Natal will rely on it's own processor)+various components... Sorry, Natal might usher in a new Xbox, but it won't change the face of gaming. Controllers FTW!!!! Even the Wii and PS3 motion controllers are CONTROLLERS at the end of the day. Buttons matter.
Haven't had hands-on time with this thing, but I think I can safely say with 100% certainty that it is absolutely not the control pad of my future. Seems like a great way to navigate a menu, make a paint mess, or play all kinds of mini-games I'm not interested in. I'll always want the controller/keyboard/mouse.
My room is too small for it
@really duh ya casuals don't like the controller, its bulky its weird, it sucks to them or so i hear. from what your saying get rdy for natal to be a casual service filled with crappy wii rip offs.
Hum casuals wont like being worn out by a video game interface after work too . Futuristic innovation are there to facilitate life , not add extra sport and efforts to easy stuff ... Or would/could yo drive a car while making silly hand moves for hours without finding it tedious as well ? Of course not . It's a nice addition that will change gaming , and maybe prompt less complicated controllers , but until you control stuff by though , pads are there to stay .
how can u run?walk?,climb,etc... natal can be great(as a hardcore thing)only in small segments,imagine defusing a bomb in mw2 and the time is counting I can see it being used in small segemnets any more ideas folks? you'r welcome
"imagine defusing a bomb in mw2 " Writing that on forums. yeah. But remember it depends on how the control scheme is. And we have many imaginative devs. :) battlefield... That would be great. Imagine a tutorial that teaches you how to fly a helicopter before you play the game. That would be cool.
still we have to see man,I wish it deliever amazing hardcore experince
in a wheelchair says fcku no!
My friend with no hands will say tuff luck to the guy in a wheelchair.
both can't use natal!
Snarf Snarf! Tell him to scan his wheelchair and get on some Tony Hawk
Nonsense the devs could make games where you use your facial expressions to play if they wanted to Natal is that advanced they can do anything
as long as my next xbox comes with a real controller am cool
Im sorry to tell you .... But this is going to be the new standard. We are doomed. :D
lolsies no. This is just a different way to play games the world is far too lazy to transition themselves into only playing motion controlled games. I hope the next xbox has the exact same controller as the 360 with a revised D-pad
Remember ms did bundle a 16 way dpad in europe... But it was for a limited time. http://www.gamespot.com/har...
It remains to be seen. But go ahead, crystal ball that sh*t like there was no tomorrow lol!
natal can't be the "future" if they can't prove it works in the "present." nintendo could have went with no controller.they didn't.they use a controller and sensor bar. sony tried no controller gaming.sold at least 15-20 million eyetoys and pseyes.it's fun.but sony concluded that a controller is necessary for full control of your avatar. microsoft saw sony tech,stole it by buying it up,just like they stole early cell processor tech,and now are playing it off as a new idea they created.dr. marks worked with 3dv and came up with the early demos of what microsoft presented at E3. http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut... (1:06:20 seconds in,you can see that dr marks helped to create this work on ps2 with 3dv) here's the thing,in minority report,tom cruise was assisted with things on his hands.it wasn't JUST his hands. in back to the future 2,cafe 80s had kids crum on marty mccfly for using his hands on a videogame.but we never get to see the controller less video game the kids imply is futuristic. as for johnny lee(now works for microsoft) who makes 3D type creations using the wiimote and the sensor bar(see youtube),he will not have the luxury of using a a sensor bar or wiimote if natal uses NOTHING. onstage at E3,we see kudo wearing red and glitching like crazy to show the bottom of a shoe.on jimmy fallons show,it glitched twice again to show the same "bam there it is" glitch.and they're all wearing RED.we see no milo onstage(and the woman wearing red touching water),and every celebrity is driving in first gear behind closed doors. so right now,microsoft has not proved anything but that they steal,over react,over hype and spend too much money when sony proved simply that you can get accurate results of 1:1 and still have the opening of games for core gamers.slow and steady beating microsoft by taking their time. just like ps3,just like the cell processor,just like bluray and soon with ps3 motion. well looky here,sony proves their web cam can be controller less http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut... (1:34 seconds..watch as the girl attempts real minority report controlling using hands.) apocalypse................
It works without red...you know that right? lol the way your talking is as if sony invented everything themselves which they didnt. Every company buys other companies to there advantage. Most of the companies sony ans microsoft bout werent doing great in till it was presented to the public. It`s there ideas that turn the company. lol i wish it was coming out this year and they had games to announce for it.
360 gamers also thing microsoft is innovative and never give sony the credit they deserve. microsoft is trying 2 things: 1)take sony ideas that were presented previously,and try to get it out before sony does. 2)slow sony's innovative ideas by downplaying it or backing inferior tech like UE3 or hd-dvd. microsoft had no idea on next gen processor tech,so they stole sony's work.and you know that i can prove it. microsoft had no idea on games,so they copied hit games sony made like GT5,buzz,eyetoy,singstar,etc. microsoft had no ideas on what a console should have built in,so they copied dvd,hdmi,1080p,usb,hard drive support(og ps2 had an HDD bay) and whatever sony was doing like dual analogs and rumble built in. microsoft had no ideas on digital content,so they took sony's ideas of delivering music,movies and games.sony was going to do it with ps2,but ps2 HDD penetration was limited.so sony made sure the HDD was built in this time for ps3.microsoft owns no movies,music companies or lots of games like sony. and sony was actually working on wand tech even before nintendo's gamecube and the nintendo wii out now. but keep believing microsoft is some great innovator.they are just a copier of tech and software from someone else.and everyone knows this in the PC world. apocalypse..................
Copying games? wow...you can say same for sony . Games will always have different traits. But this is what truly gets me what you said. "dvd,hdmi,1080p,usb,hard drive support(og ps2 had an HDD bay)" You do know theres something called a PC right? "microsoft had no ideas on digital content,so they took sony's ideas of delivering music,movies and games.sony was going to do it with ps2,but ps2 HDD penetration was limited.so sony made sure the HDD was built in this time for ps3.microsoft owns no movies,music companies or lots of games like sony. " lol...This is truly funny man,Because the main sources of entertainment is music ,movies and games. Microsoft motto is a cruel one i guess you can say. "embrace,extend,extingui sh" Like i said before all companies buy others i mean we can go look at the consoles down the line and see that. Innovation only means a new way of doing something. Sony will have something similar to natal in there games and software. You should be happy.
I'm not trying to get between you and apocalypse here but to say that Sony 'will' have natal-like thing is just ignorant at best! controller-less motion sensing is already in the PS brand with Eyetoy and PS Eye. natal is maybe or maybe not an improved version of those but the PS Wand shown during E3 already has 3D, 1:1 motion sensing technology and application! the eyetoy and PS Eye were tracking body movement like what natal is doing and now they made it tracking just the wand! btw...these are getting out of hands! Natal - control pad of the future?? pfft...give me a break!
Relax sweetie, it's not a finished product. I can understand that technology baffles you but it is ok for a change every now and again. Don't worry controllers are going no where. Remember technology good, no technology bad...Ok?
when will people learn most people play video games to relax not move about in front of your tv like a madman
there is no way i want to play games this way.
I wouldnt want that. I like to play my games on the couch with some snacks on the side, chilling. Not jumping around like crazy.
YOU WASH YOUR HANDS AFTER YOU EAT RIGHT? You eat your Scooby snaks while playing using telekinesis? Chilling like a villain good for you. Wii is outselling traditional consoles and the fans of that console can wait to eat LMAO.
agreed noctis. and "really duh".......then why isn't MS switching to a "natal only" console? seems like the thing to do doesn't it?.....really, if MS or sony had come out with a console at the same time of the wii launch that was the same price......the wii doesn't sell like it has. i can't believe you don't ackknowledge that price has been a big factor in wii success.
GIMMICK!! Stupid as hell. When will the real 360 gamers on N4G speak up about this crap?...lol
I agree man if it was on the ps3 I would not care for this type of gaming. I know the ps3 motion controllers looked cool too but its just not my type of gaming tbh. Id rather game with the 360 controller or the dualshock 3 anyday!
Dude I can play: Halo: Reach Mass Effect 2 Forza 3 Gears of War 3 Alan Wake Splinter Cell Conviction Left 4 Dead 2 Crackdown 2 Halo ODST Tony is gay and all the other games with a controller. There is nothing to speak up about. Whats cool is on top of those and all the other dozens of game releasing you can play with a controller...Microsoft has a whole other thing it's making on top of it. Games like Milo and other stuff we haven't even seen yet. There is nothing to worry about.... unless you have a PS3 and are looking at PS3's holiday line-up and dildo wii-mote. Then I would not only worry, but be depressed also.
It's cool, but not practical with anything but small little family games. Gears of War? No way. Left 4 Daed? No way. Forza? No way. Sorry, but it's overrated yet cool technology.
Maybe you're too quick to judge. Alan Wake, Halo Reach, Gears 2 and Left 4 Dead aren't being built for Natal specifically but many things are....like Milo. Microsoft will have cool material to push their product.
You are one of the very few who still doesn't know Milo was staged right? Sorry, but if you think you can talk to that kid for more than 10 minutes without hearing repeats then you don't understand current technology. All of the voices are pre-recorded. Even if it was good, it once again proves my point. MILO IS A SMALL FAMILY GAME. It's awesome, and fun, but not something hardcore gamers (like those on this site...) are going to use it. It's true man.
Eurogamer: So what can Milo do? Peter Molyneux: Milo can recognise the emotions on your face and the emotions in your voice. He can recognise certain words you say. You can have conversations with him, you can read stories to him. We're trying to bring all these things together. Some of them are tricks - I'll be absolutely honest with you - to make you believe Milo's real. He can recognise what you're wearing. If he notices you've got dark bags under your eyes he will say, 'You look tired today.' Eurogamer: Really? Peter Molyneux: Absolutely, all of that works. We're combining all that together to make you really believe that he understands what you say. Let's try an experiment. When a human voice says something funny, there's a different tone in the voice. Even though Milo's not trained to recognise your voice, if you say something funny to him, he should recognise it as something amusing. Try it now. Eurogamer: Tell him a joke, you mean? Peter Molyneux: Yeah. Eurogamer: OK. Milo? Milo: [Looks up, smiles and nods] Eurogamer: Bloody hell. Er, OK. A Times New Roman walks into a bar. The barman says, 'We don't serve your type.' Milo: [Giggles] Eurogamer: Bloody hell. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Owned much?
Not practical? It is just wait for the first cool game to come out! Remember when everyone said the WII couldn't do a hardcore game? Now they have the conduit, it takes time to get it right but it'll happen.
what is with people raving on about that Milo or whatever that crap is. If this was on the wii you guys would be maucking it. Since when do we want to talk to an annoying little kid on a screen when we could be playing games like Gears of War3. Stop pretending this is something you want just because it is on the 360.
This guy fails on so many levels, it's sad. Bloggers need to be required to pass a written certification, to show they have the necessary skills to write an opinion piece. :o
You mean the Eye Toy? Oh wait. Damn it Sony. You really dropped the ball and a little kid kicked you in the bawls -_-.
PS3 has a waaaay better line-up than those DLC and rip off inferior franchises. FORZA 3 LOOKS WEAK... halo reach? 2009? ...lol crackdown 2...lmao
You sounds like your still living in 1998. I promise you, write it down. Microsift's "inferior franchises and rip-offs" and going to smash Sony's line-up this holiday season. lmao You're so out-of-touch with everything....write it down and take it to the bank. 110%. Microsoft has the better line-up, bigger franchises and more popular franchises this holiday season. They will kill Sony's games in sales. Probably in critical review also. And lets not even talk about 2010. Thank God Sony has GT5 and God of War 3 next year. At least it won't look like such a severe massacre has occured come the end of 2010.
Gran Turismo 52 million > halo, forza, banjo, gears combined sales.. Why did Sony win 10 AIAS awards including GOTY and microcrap ZERO for 2008? http://www.interactive.org Sony sold 35 million consoles in 2008. Microcrap, around 10 million ? Get a brain troll.
Gran Tursimo 52 million > Killzone 1/2, Little Big planet, God of War 1/2, Infamous, Uncharted 1/2 combined sales... C wat I did thar? Keep in mind the only reason Gran Turismo sold that much is because it's been bundled to death on every Sony console.
Got to add all 3 consoles to make it look like Sony isn't in dead last in everything? Also Foza 2 sold 4 million+(its becoming much more popular) and outscored GT for 2 releases straight. Gran Turismo hasn't been AAA since 2000, and now is going to have to match Forza 3 in features/physics/customization to be a AAA game. Also Gran Turismo as been here since like 1990 lmao with PS1. Each game is selling less and less, and GT5 is easily going to be the lesat selling Gran Turismo release ever on PS3. Activision knows Sony is still relevant also.
But we all know who delivers best quality. The PS3. Epic games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Valkyria Chronicles + you got tons of great games like Littlebigplanet, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank: Tools Of Destruction and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. Not to mention the killer line-up that Sony has this year, and next year.
"Epic games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Valkyria Chronicles + you got tons of great games like Littlebigplanet, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank: Tools Of Destruction and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune." LMAO get real dude. There isnt one good, serious multiplayer game even in there. That may be your opinion....but besides MGS4...those games don't even sell well. That how special the quality is seen to be. I sure don't give 2 $hits about them, and no one I know does either...we don't don't mention PS3 unless we're making fun of it or joking about it, literally.
What would you expect from a 360 fanboy.