Remembering the Losers: PlayStation Dominance and The Demise of Its Competitors takes some time to remember the "losers," like the Xbox, Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, and Nintendo Gamecube. The consoles that just couldn't stand up to Sony's PlayStation brand.

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Raoh3289d ago

Be right back..

about to get some popcorn and a large sprite for the show.

La Chance3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

oops wrong reply

Tony P3289d ago

I can't get into a pissing match about every console released since '94 and why they shouldn't just be written off as 'crushed by Sony'. It's a rather snap judgement and a bad remembrance.

I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing.

Dread3289d ago

oh boy how things have changed this gen


50CALheadshot3289d ago


Kushan3289d ago

I'd say it was a great combination of Sony making a few good decisions and Sega/Nintendo making a few bad ones.
Strangely enough, I'd say the 360's rise has been a similar situation - Microsoft making a few good decisions and Sony making a few bad ones (late in Europe, high price, etc.). MS established a foothold and now that Sony has their shyt mostly in gear, this has been my favourite generation by far.

Darkeyes3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

Too bad Nintendo might take this gen. This gen is really divided into Casual and Hardcore. Casual... Well Nintendo of corse, but hardcore is the thing to be seen.

The main aspect that always works in Sony's favor is the fact that they always back up with games. Just see all the consoles in that list and the one major reason all failed was due to the lack of games or one can say the abundance of games on the Playstation platform. I must applaud Sony for creating such a huge first party back up.

Just look at the current gen and one gets a picture. PS3 has sold more consoles in the same time frame as a 360 at nearly 2wice the price. No one disagrees that the first few years have been really rough, but Sony has really backed up. The thing that differentiates PS3 from the situation of previous Xbox (better hardware but low sales) is again GAMES...

Unfortunately this gen there is going to be no definitive winner. Wii might clean sweep, but it's not a direct competition. PS3 and 360... Well a 7 million lead can't declare a winner (that too due to a year early release). Last gen 150 million PS2 to 25 million Xbox in second place.... That is what a definitive winner is. In the end, only games will decide which way this gen goes, and obviously there is another factor... THE PRICE. A PS3 price cut will really bridge that gap. This gen is by far the most interesting, would love to see how things go after both plunge into the casual market.

Oner3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

@ Darkeyes ~ You're right since it also depends on how you come to figure a "gen", because if you go by MS's past gen then they will only support 4 years or so (to then somehow gloat some bs about how they won that "gen"), while Ninty might go 5+ years (and they are clearly ahead) and Sony anywhere from 7-10 years easily.

I honestly don't see MS dropping support for the 360 the same way they did for the original Xbox but you never know (maybe just do a 360 Slim to again say they "invented the trend") well as when the PS3 hits the next price drop it will surge in sales with the combination of it's current and future games lineup etc. because like you said a 7 million deficit can't be called a "win" because of a year head start, if anything it looks bad on MS since they got passed by a "lesser" console mainly @ price and it's casualness and doesn't have a "commanding" lead over it's direct competitor which has ALWAYS had a premium price!

Nuch Vader3289d ago

It's kind of funny reading a good old days article by a sony fanboy site. One thing is for sure, Playstation 3 has failed to enjoy the success of it's older brothers.

aueslander3289d ago

....why do you andd a lot of others always add the "...but the 360 had a year head start....) BS when you never heard that the reason the xbox didnt beat the PS2 is because "...well, the PS2 came out a year earlier..."

That argument is full of crap. Also, the PS2 is still selling. I wold love to see a comaprison of the PS2 from year 1-4 and compare that to the xbox since it only was around for 4 years.

Once again, consdiering how well the PS2 sold last gen, MS having a 1 year head start should mean nothing since the Wii was also a year later then the 360 and look where they are now. I mean where are all the PS2 owners who supported sony last gen? If even HALF of them bought a PS3, Sony would be ahead this gen.

Anyway, to everyone, please, for the love of god STOP USING THE 360S ONE YEAR HEAD START IS THE ONLY REASON WHY IT IS STILL AHEAD.

N4g_null3288d ago

This article fails to see no one remembers the past. Hell most of these guys don't even play PS2 games any more. I remember when nintendo fans made articles like this LOL. It was during the N64 when they knew they lost.

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La Chance3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

Well done to Sony for the last 2 gens where they crushed everything in their way.

This gen is another story...

@forrest gump below :You're absolutely right, the positions have actually switched.

Nintendo's Wii first and Sony's PS3 last.

Forrest Gump3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

Nintendo are doing the crushing this gen.

Edit at Lachance:Of course,as I said above,Nintendo are doing the crushing this gen :)

Greywulf3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

I like those goggles you have on, they really do black out the reality.

But Microsoft launching a year early, is hardly a defeat for the overpriced PS3. Which is selling as fast, faster in regions.And unlike the lead/demolition the PS2 had, the 360 doesn't have the appeal or the ability to crush Sonys gaming division. Its hardly sold more units than the last Xbox, and it doesn't have any portable gaming.

I'm not calling you wrong, but pretending that Price/Release/Quality/Gaming Divisions has nothing to do with anything is utterly ridiculous. And its delusional to think Microsoft's gaming division is second to Nintendo..

Very delusional.

eagle213289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

Sony sold 35 million consoles in 2008. I don't think microsoft will ever sell that many consoles in their lifetime in one year. That is what the word "brand" is all about. Sony will never feel "behind" in any year. Nintendo and Sony get the hardware awards. :)

50CALheadshot3289d ago

hold la chance down, its my turn to kick him

n4f3289d ago

yeah but to be fair we have to say to compare the ps3 against the 360 cause:
1 ms doesnt support anymore the xbox
2 doesnt have a portable system

N4g_null3288d ago

What is funny is every one is getting on Lachance when he clearly says that the Wii is doing the crushing now? Then Greywulf says he has goggles and brings up SONY's feats in comparison to the xbox LOL. Yet you guys fail to see he is talking about the Wii?

Then you guys use a lot of insults to then prove a broken point.

On top of this is the fact that SONy can only sale to the same market that bought a xbox 360, why because of price. If they can only sale to that market then guess what the PS3 will forever be behind the 360 for various reasons.

I know you guys don't want to here this and definitly don't want to believe this but companies make mistakes and I have to give sony a lot of credit for lasting this long even though they are not a gaming centered company. We all knew MS would win the arms race I mean they create the APIs and the tools to program most of this stuff LOL.

I also understand the hate and it is well deserved but hate don't not get you sales. If you have not shown off your PS3 to a friend then now is the time to do that. SONY needs new HD customers not current ones.

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Chicken Chaser3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

Oh Thank God for this 90's news! Now i feel old :S

KionicWarlord2223289d ago

This article is accurate. Lets see what happens this gen.

darthv723289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

If history repeats itself (which it has a strange way of doing)then this gen the PS3 wont do as well as the PS2.

To understand, you need to look at all consoles released prior and how they fared against their own console competition (ex: sega genesis vs saturn vs DC etc). From what I have been able to recall, the second console to come from a mfg seems to have been the best supported.

edit: maybe this will explain what I mean. The following is a list of companies who have released a console(s) and their generational standing. Please note, I am only speaking of actual consoles, not add-ons.

Atari: pong (1st), 2600 (2nd)*, 5200 (3rd), 7800 (4th), Jaguar (5th)
Matel: Intelevision (1st)
Coleco: Colecovision (1st)
Magnavox: Odysee (1st), Odysee 2 (2nd)
NEC: PC Engine/Turbografx (1st), Supergrafx (2nd)
Nintendo: NES (1st), SNES (2nd)*, N64 (3rd), Gamecube (4th), Wii (5th)
Panasonic: 3DO (1st)
Sega: Master system (1st), Genesis/MD (2nd)*, Saturn (3rd), Dreamcast (4th)
SNK: NeoGeo MVS/CD (1st)
Sony: PS1 (1st), PS2 (2nd)*, PS3 (3rd)
Microsoft: Xbox (1st), 360 (2nd)*

The 2nd gen consoles (*) have all done better than the first and in most cases, other generations. The exceptions to that would be the likes of those who only had one console as well as ones who were minior upgrades to the former (ex: supergrafx).

This list is only representative to the idea that a companies "2nd" console release is their best effort. If a company has enough perseverance to remain in the "war" they have the chance of making a comeback as viewed by its past systems (ex: wii). that was a bit more than most would like to know. Did anyone know sony made games before they made systems? Back when sony was known as sony imagesoft, they had some great games. Hook and mickey mania were two of my favorite sega cd games from them.

Darkeyes3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

Dude all those consoles failed the third time mainly cause of the lack of Software support... In fact every console till date has failed against PS1 & 2 mainly cause of lack of Software support (Xbox-check, Gamecube-check,Nintendo 64-check,Sega-ckeck).

People keep on saying that PS3 is like last gens Xbox...Better hardware but low sales... Well one thing people actually forget is that the Playstation brand always has been a winner due to the games which is where M$ failed last gen (lack of games). This gen is no different. The thing that differentiates is the fact that Sony has sold more consoles than a 360 in same time frame at twice the price... Again, it's the GAMES that is bailing PS3 out. Trust me, if ANY OTHER COMPANY would have gone through the hardships PS3 went in the first 2 years, then they would have given up. But it's always the Sony First party which has risen to the occasion to save the Playstation brand. And it's working as I said, even with the price tag at nearly 2 times as that of the 360, PS3's still are selling well.A price cut would make thing really interesting.

Wii is probably the weirdest thing this gen. It's a PS2, but the motion controller is what makes it the leader. It's for casual crowd so I feel it doesn't affect the Hardcore war much.

Too bad the recession hit at the worst time... A time when PS3 actually was about to bloom. But even at that price tag and in these time of recession, it's only the games and the Playstation brand that is bailing them out. The sales aren't poor, but expecting this to be as successful as a PS2 is a bit harsh on PS3, mainly cause the economy has gone from bad to worse.

darthv723289d ago

I don't know how well you know the 90's but I am just going to lay it out. There are strange similarities with what is going on now but let me explain.

Sega tried to go against Nintendo with the master system. a better built machine than the NES but it lacked the support from 3rd parties (mostly due to nintendo have a stronghold on licensing for the nes). Sega dropped the master system just a few years after release and brought out the genesis. It was more powerful than the nes and people really took notice of it and it gained support fairly quickly. Nintendo released their SNES shortly after and was juggling two systems at the same time. Sales were slow for the SNES even though it was a better machine than the genesis. The genesis kept on climbing due to sega really only having to support one machine. Aggressive marketing and lots of attention helped it be the best selling system sega made.

Sound familiar?? MS and the 360 are playing the genesis role right now. Sony is trying to juggle two home consoles (ala Nintendo back then). 3rd party support is key and right now MS has done loads better than their 1st outing. Sony will eventually drop the ps2 and people will basically have no choice but to get a ps3. It is inevitable. By then, maybe Nin will have their updated WiiHD..I don't know.

It is like living in the early 90's again with this console war.

IdleLeeSiuLung3289d ago (Edited 3289d ago )

dartv has some good points, except Sony and MS is fighting for 2nd place. The Wii selling at the current rate is not going to get eclipsed any time soon. MS would have to increase their sales 3-4 times and Sony well.... 5-6 times just to match Ninty's sale right now in the US.

Most 3rd parties are now multi-platform. First party games has shown (especially for Sony) that they don't tend to move consoles while MS has is unproven if it does or not. So I really don't see anything changing.

I don't think there is much chance of Sony ever regain footing this generation. At best I think Sony will match the 360 in user base because both Wii and the 360 keeps eating out of Sony's market. Of course this applies to the 360 as well, but in MS mind they already won compared to the last generation and Sony, well....

Darkeyes3289d ago

Yup, I know what you mean dartv, but again the one thing that is working in PS3's favor this gen is the fact that it's churning out GAMES. All those consoles lost cause they couldn't match the top contender in the games section. This ain't like 'History repeats itself', but in fact people should learn from the previous mistakes. There is no doubt that Sony screwed up initially with the price. I even say M$ has done loads better than last gen, but the main reason why PS always wins is cause of GAMES. I ain't saying M$es line up sucks or anything, but I just want to say that Sony probably has the best internal studios compared to all 3 and also more first party devs than M$+Nintendo combined.

In short, there is going to be no definitive winner this gen. A lead of 7 million is small in the gaming industry, even if PS3 stays half a year more in the market compared to the 360, then the lead is easily bridgeable. The Wii as always wins easily, but it's no direct competition. In short this gen is a stale mate for PS3 and 360.. Well at least from the looks of it. Both have actually lost quiet a lot of money this gen.. The PS3 due to high price and 360 due to RROD and E74 replacements. The only reason why analyst think PS3 will surpass a 360 is mainly cause a PS3 will be longer in the market. I consider a Wii as a competition for PS2 not 360 or PS3.

@Idle... Dude considering the PS brand as insignificant this gen is a mistake that even M$ doesn't make. Well we will see in a few months time especially after a price cut what happens. Don't miss out the fact that PS3 is selling more consoles in the same time frame as a 360 at nearly 2wice the price. It's funny how you always forget that 360 has a years head start and a 7-8 million gap is 6-8 months more in markets result.

IdleLeeSiuLung3289d ago

I didn't say PS brand is insignificant. Besides a price cut will likely only incur a TEMPORARY increase in sales not permanent.

Don't forget that PS3 had a boost in sales due to sales as a stand-alone blu-ray player . Also don't forget that the gap in between the two consoles is about the same as MS first year sales.

In the same time frame, MS and Sony sold about the same amount of consoles worldwide (including MS crippled market in Japan). That is not exactly a feat (even at twice the price for PS3) when you have a loyal customer base of 140+ million.

As I said, I don't think Sony will ever catch up. A price cut for Sony will just spur another price cut for MS. Any price cut that doesn't hit the $150 mark will not have a sustainable increase in sales and Sony is not in a position to have a price war. Both MS and Sony knows this.

I guess as you said, we will see....

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