Kikizo writes: "We present to you our info-packed, first-hand, behind closed doors impressions of Xbox 360's stunning new killer app, chat to Kudo Tsunoda and Peter Molyneux, and explain why some of its critics are really missing the point."
Honestly by looking at the articles after E3, critics think Natal is a huge deal.
Well its been on news several times.
Until it can prove its not the 360 version of the EyeToy...because seriously people are overating Natal...especially when the EyeToy can do the same damn thing...
360s Eye Toy is already here its called Xbox Live Vision Camera! Natal is something much better than eye toy why cant sony fanboys see this? Natal comes with 2 cameras, multiplie microphones, sensors, and separate proccesor inside. Peace
Xbox Live Vision camera= Eyetoy = FACT Natal = brand new console technology = Fact
If anything, critics think too highly of it, especially since this technology has already been (partially) available since the PS2 Eyetoy, 360 Vision Cam, and PS3 Eye.
"especially when the EyeToy can do the same d*** thing." Soooo, why is it not doing the "same d*** thing." Oddly enough...I keep walking buy my eyetoy...and it doesn't log me on. But seriously...I have no clue of the potential of the Natal or the eyetoy...but I will say this, in theory two cars can do the "same d*** thing", but I rather be in a Lamborghini than a Neon.
with the new 3D Screens and games.... Imagine if the camera can map a face or take a picture and use that in the game...
I can imagine 360 SKUs "bundled" with Natal (it'll be a default inclusion from there on out), a price cut is also imminent at SOME point before Natal... Xbox 360 hitting the mainstream with even more momentum than the Wii! EDIT Oh, I just read that... Here's the thing: The technology Natal utilizes is quite simple (infa-red, cameras (and maybe even something that can measure distance)...) and only the software is somewhat innovative but can be easilly overcome by time. However, Sony's motion controls are FAR from simple! Their accelometers are darn precise and the controllers seem to be aware of eachother (i.e. distance) and all that peripheral tech collaborating with a powerful machine producing somewhat realistic physics was something I wanted from Wii but never got the precision and effectiveness!
"But seriously...I have no clue of the potential of the Natal or the eyetoy...but I will say this,in theory two cars can do the "same d*** thing", but I rather be in a Lamborghini than a Neon." -Go easy on the kid. lol JOY
Shigeru Miyamoto response to Natal: "I[author of article] know what he[Shigeru Miyamoto] thinks about Natal because I asked him directly when he came out of the demo. He said he liked it, nodding enthusiastically when I asked him if it was "good". So that's a world exclusive right there, I'm pretty sure." I'm excited....! Now if we could get Shigeru Miyamoto to create something for Natal that would be awesome.
Isn't it? That Milo and Kate thing has me sold. Imagine conducting a conversation in Mass Effect, and having the other guy respond to your body language. The possibilities are daunting.
but development time isn't.
When ever it is release it will be amazing.
If you thinks critics are underrating Natal, you are an idiot.
That was a very informative post. Do you care to elaborate? *Edit* I agree with the randumb (yes, I realize I spelled it incorrectly) disagreers. That wasn't an informative post at all.
...by "critics", he also means anti-MS/Sony/Nintendo fanboys...not just industry critics.
His post was quite succinct IMO. Many believe that Natal is being overrated by the critics, so his following statement makes perfect sense. "If you thinks critics are underrating Natal, you are an idiot." (i.e. "the critics are overrating Natal") But why is it overrated, you ask? Because although the possibilities are indeed impressive, this is far more blue-sky than most anything that I've seen be announced in this industry over the last two decades. IMO, this is as blue-sky as VR headsets in the late 80s. Yes, marvellous and impressive concept as they both may be. But they also have near-zilch practical potential for the immediate future (next 1-2 years). I won't downplay Natal's ultimate potential. But it will take at least a couple of years before you see a full/proper game (and not a tech demo like Ricochet) that uses Natal. And most people will be looking at the next-gen systems by then.
The media has hyped this thing like its the second coming of Christ. Its been called the future of gaming, the most innovative piece of hardware ever, etc. To say that people aren't truly realizing what Natal can bring is moronic. Most reasonable people have more than hailed natal, they've given it a legendary status. So to say people are basically not giving it enough credit is stupid (I know that sounds ignorant, but come on. Look around). And I never said it was overrated. I just said that if you think people aren't thinking that natal is a big thing, you are blind and haven't been to any gaming website for about a week.
He's talking about Sony and Nintendo supporters and rabid PS3 fanboys. He's actually talking about people such as the two guys above me. "The media has hyped this thing like its the second coming of Christ" because they're impressed by it? The fanboys are attacking this like its the anti-Christ
So because fanboys are attacking it we should write a stupid article trying to persuade them to think otherwise? oh my god, I'm stupid! How could I forget that fanboys are reasonable? Fanboys bash everything opposite their console and praise everything about it. Ignore it. its not going away.
I want to play COD with it
I'm very curious as to how it would be used in COD
solely with Natal but you can combibe the controller WITH the Natal. You're only limited from using your arms...
Would be the ultimate win. It'd be sweet to have your character's face lip-synching what you say, or being able to issue commands, reload, or change weapons using simple gestures. in a game like Rainbow six, it'd would be unbelievably awesome to be able to raise your arm, point one finger, and make a circle to have your squad form up on you. Or tap the side of your head to change between different vision modes.
Maybe now we could stop seeing the comparisons between the Eyepet and Natal? Sound like a deal PS fanboys?
The experiences that Natal will enable developers to give gamers is really mind boggling.Since now the "Natal can't detect black people" rumor has been debunked, i wonder what next the haters will come up with?
The trolls are always at work. Next will be NATAL cant brush my teeth and clean my a$$. Ahh good time to own both consoles.
They are hypening this up
The hypen train is leaving the station.
that just screams fanboy ish. nobody will know how good it really works untill it comes out, for now i ee it as nothing more than a glorified eyetoy.
I think it's a huge deal, but PERSONALLY I'd rather see it used in other applications/interfaces. For my gaming needs, motion controls aren't what I'm interested in. Natal and Sony's lil wand are just too gimmicky to me. In the end, it's all about final application... tech is only as good as the final product. I remember the dreams/promises of OnLive as well. I will remain skeptical (but excited for the prospects) until its in MY living room.
It's impressive technology but I'm not really interested in the gaming side of it. I think it could be very cool for getting around the dashboard though.
I guess they think Natal is God now. Hmm, I should've thought about that. I'm not bashing this tech, it's great, but a part of me thinks that it might turn into another magnet to attract casual gamers and not really push the hardcore gaming. I hope I'm wrong.
Or rather, bash the people deifying it where they were worrying that the Wiimote might ruin hardcore gaming, why isn't there concern one that this casual gamer draw might effect/ruin hardcore games?
It will almost certainly be used to attract more casual gamers, but unlike Avatars, there's no reason why it should be used ONLY for them. I can see games like Mass Effect utilising the mood/emotion sensing tech in conversations instead of just the wheel. I'd love to play a big, open world RPG where I could actually talk to characters, even if I still only had the same basic dialogue tree options as before, it'd be pretty damn cool.
Well it sounds promising. All I ask; give me an RPG that can answer my questions and hold a conversation in real time and I'm sold! how about a nice game of chess?
I am going to reserve full judgement until I see the first few games based on it. but I like the idea and its potential. I mean imagine being able to scan any toy gun into natal like that kid scanned his skateboard and the head tracking (where you look the camera looks... FPS taken care of right there .............. that would be sweet. Driving with invisible steering wheel (nope) doesn't work ... strategy games my gosh (this thing recognizes fingers) forget the damn controller (minority report just like the dashboard demo at e3) scan a sword in for some sword play.. sweet ok my mind is going crazy... I will get this just for the dashboard functions....... too sweet RPGS well the possibilities are endless with facial and voice recognition
It all depends on how well devs use it in their games. If it work well and isnt a hassle, it'll be a huge step forwards in gaming thats for sure...
Natal is going to fail, there too much hype thats started building up for this and its most likely not even going to be here till half way into 2010, most likely holiday 2010(get the holiday buzz). Why start hyping it up so soon, Ms is trying the Halo 3 approach(not as strong though) and want to make sure everyone knows about there motion camera. but whats the point of getting people hyped up for something they know ain't coming till next year. Thats an easy way to lose customers, at least for me thats how it works, and the faith killzone 2 had to take due to the unbelievable hype everyone put into it. i kinda ranted there but like the point i made in my first sentences, but hype kills anything, it can kill anything some examples, ps3(its getting around it),Killzone 2, some other ones i cant think of but im sure you guys have the point now
Games are about interaction, we need a conduit - the controller, to bridge he gap between real and fantasy. I'm not sold on either. Besides, everybody hates mimes and prop-comics
Not hating on the Natal but the Sony's Eyetoy has been out for awhile now but it gets no love. Some of it is Sony's fault because they don't marketed it well, but the media also wants to see the PS3 fail. Natal will be good competition for the Eyetoy because it will cause Sony to improve on their version. M$ has had plenty of time to work on making the Natal better than the Eyetoy because the Eyetoy has been out longer. Thats the nature of the business. Take technology thats been out for awhile and improve on it.
I like natal and I think Milo could be perfect as an educational tool. Imagine a game like blues clues where your child can fully react with the character on screen. Imagine doing a letter/shape hunt and your child has to find letters or shapes around the house then show them to the character. This is something I think that could drastically help younger children learn. I hope that people will be more open minded when tech like this comes along because it could be very useful in a number of different ways. I am very excited for this and I am glad that MS doesn't intend to abandon hardcore games. Can't wait for Alan Wake. Later.
Agreed and Alan Wake FTW. Bubbles :)
I learning program would interesting to see or even a training program.
Thats a good idea. bubbles
Have fun with your purple dildo, make sure you order as 16 inch one from Sony.
lol funny how trolls call people who are not biased and fanboys sony fanboy. Guess what? I'm PC Gamer Main. I posted screenshots of my rig and my games in Mass Effect Gears L4d etc many times as proof. get a life. Also, Sony can shove up dildo mote up their arse and ms can shove natal down their troath
If you dont think Natal is innovative, and you are stupid as hell if you dont think sony's motion control is innovative! I hate BOTS AND DROIDS!!!
Lets hope MS doesn't screw this up =P or else...EPIC FAIL
Come on racing game without steering wheel is stupid! You want games to be realistic, and driving requires holding a steering wheel (3rd party steering wheel). Shooting requires you to hold a gun! pretending holding something makes you look like a retard! :) voice interaction is cool... but according to some reports at E3.. it is still undevelopment...
wow, MS has got all the 360 owners totally conned with Milo... you are all going to be so disappointed when you see what it can ACTUALLY do. it's good, i'm sure of that, but nothing more than the PSEye can do. the Vision camera was a copy of the original Eyetoy by the way, the PSEye is a next gen version. it's MS playing catchup with a fantasy (Milo) as the reason to get hyped for a PSEye copy.
Milo is a game. That was made around this tech. you dont think there will be other games based on it?
It isn't even out yet and you are comparing it to the eye toy. let me ask you this.... What if this was Sony introducing the Natal and getting all this press. would you still be skeptical about it?
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the author fails completely to address the specific criticisms of Natal, much less to "cancel out" anything. David Cage's comments are vaguely paraphrased, with no quote, so they can be summarily dismissed. Is it possible that he was pointing out the obvious problems posed by lack of any button input for Natal, when contrasted with Sony's controller? If this author has hands-on experience, then why not a single specific detail? The author apparently witnessed first hand the "advanced abilities" of Milo, but was this with the "assistant" present to help along the demo, and the additional outboard hardware required, as others have pointed out from their first hand experiences? Far from being "info-packed", this article is merely cheerleading, with almost nothing useful noted from careful first hand observation. What example illustrates the ability to "move about in real time in perfect synchrony with you"? I sure haven't seen a single example of perfect synchronization. As far as the "unfakable, highly responsive, 1:1 accuracy" of the Breakout demo, give us all a break. Every single example of this simple, EyeToy-like game has shown significant lag, including the live Jimmy Fallon spot. As far as voice recognition goes, Molyneux himself has indicated that this is not actually real voice recognition, but rather tonal recognition. It's pretty obvious just what limited usefulness this will turn out to have. Then there's this gem: "Such glitches are software issues that are fixable, they are not indicative of some sort of fundamental flaw in concept or in hardware." Wait a second, the author himself admits "I still don't really understand how this works...", yet he's apparently completely capable of determining what's a minor software glitch, as opposed to a fundamental limitation of the technology. Nicely done. Couldn't it be that lifting a foot on a plane in front of the body is, in fact, enough to cause problems for the infrared or camera hardware itself? Guess not. FAIL.
I remain skeptical because Nintendo pulled this trick with the Wii. Big promiese, made its rounds all over the press. Then I got it in my hands and found out they were pretending!! Actual cost of buying Natal (thus far) is 200 plus cost of Natal. Too much for me. My Crystal ball shows me that there will be artificial shortages and scalpers on eBay, which results in more press and more sales.
I still don't get why people are proclaiming this is the next big thing nor do I get why supposed "hardcore gamers" are jumping on it like it's a gaming revolution. Critics need to chill out on Natal because all I see is people moving around in front of a camera, not gaming.
How much did M$ pay to get all these articles written, or on obscure sites like this maybe they just wrote it themselves. We all know the thing isn't that great, doesn't have enough precision to control games, but the 'media' seems to think something else. Give up on the viral marketing already Microsoft it's plain obvious. This thing is for party games and everything else will always work better with a controller. How well did motion control work with the six axis?? remember how you guys bashed that, the funny thing is that actually has more precision.
MS spent the same amount of money Sony didn't spend to really get the customers attention. This is ridiculous now with the MS paid this person crap. Like I said before If the shoe was on the other foot. Sony would be praised and the fans would really be pushing the term play beyond. The Red Ring of death couldn't handle all the body parts moving.. Oh the possiblities of Snake on the PS3 Natal.
Only once it launches and the games do the talking. Until then i have plenty of fun with my traditional controller and all the AAA titles PS3 and 360 bring. I like it old school.
Natal tech would be absolutley perfect for Heavy Rain, I bet you the developers are going CRAZY when they saw natal.
I think the game is too far along to completely change the control scheme, but tt would make the game more interesting.
Fact of the matter is, Natal will only be successful with support from devs. The Eyetoy, The PSCam, the XBL Vision cam, the Wiimote, all of these share one thing in common: Motion controllers with little to none developer support. Unless Natal and the new Playstation controls can get legitimate AAA titles and the dev support needed, neither will be relevant in the future. For our sake, I hope they do. I'm not as impressed by Natal as some, as it isn't revolutionary, just a harmonizing of existing technologies into one unit. Apparently the article's author is not familiar with modern technology lol.
for now it's cool but untill i see it being put to use in games i'm not all that bothered. You could have the most advanced tech in the world, in any scenario, but if it's not used in a usefull way then whats the point.
If the eye toy etc. was pushed the way natal is being pushed. Even now, where is sony's counter to this? People are going to buy what they understand more so then just sticking to brand loyalty. Natal doesn't have a real working program to show off it's dazzle, but they have a few min games. Sony just brought out their controls at E3 have you seen it since? When has Sony ever pushed the limits of its eye toy? when was the last time you saw a commercial, late night show, or even a talk show really show off the eye toy, and you sony fans are mad @MS. If anything be Mad at Sony cause, if you claim the Natal is the PSeye, then why hasn't it taken off or even got press like the Natal?
Sony did have a press like this years ago. It was for the PS2 eyetoy and it did almost everything that Natal did but without the bells and whistles. It was Dr Marks on stage doing his tech demos. Sony really needs to give the Playstation Eye support if it wants to compete in this market http://www.gamespy.com/arti...
They didn't go the extra mile MS is going though. they may have showed the eyetoy but Jay lenno had no parts of it
"On to the third thing. "I get it", people say, "but I don't believe it works". People have noticed glitches, right? And I heard it can't detect black people!" "I'm going to jump right into to this "it can't detect black people" thing and tell you right now it's BULLSHIT. Not only can it detect black people, it can detect players perfectly even with the LIGHTS TURNED OFF. I saw this demonstrated in the private session: Kudo had the lights dimmed to almost zero, and the Ricochet demo continued, completely unaffected. You don't need to worry about ideal lighting conditions like with EyeToy. Natal does not track players by colour (although we know from Milo commenting on my blue short that it can if it wants to); it tracks them by infra-red - and it can track up to four people at the same time with no compromises. "